What do you think hit the Pentagon?

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Those in charge, those whom manipulated events, the media, and the people, scaring the bejesus out of everyone saying "look, these nasty vile terrorists have done this to us, we must take revenge"
The rest is history, and a saddening one at that

[norman]

I voted for "Plane" but definately NOT! a 747, 757 or any kind of mass passenger plane. I'm going to stick with the early work that was in agreement then that an old A10 was resurrected and retro-fitted with computer guidance equipment and the explosive parts of a missile. Basically, a custom built 'cruise' missile made from an old fighter jet and a modern missile payload.

[Beth]

Posted by Kulapops (here)
But I just don't see where debates on 'whaddaya think hit the pentagon?' can bring you a baby step closer to the truth (no offence yaya... it's totally understandable to be curious about these things.... maybe I'm just being a party pooper here...)

Actually this thread was in response to another thread where someone asserted that the majority here believe it was a 757, and that it had been definitively been proven that it was a 757 by a post from ATS.

Yes, I realize that the most important point is and has been the aftermath, and I don't focus all my time on the what and when.

Just used this poll to show the other poster that no, the majority of us do not believe the official story. To be honest, I wouldn't have cared if anyone posted in the thread at all, just that the poll was done.

[Dale]

Silly question; of these people you talked too did they mention if it is possible for a jet to fly at that height at those speeds?

From what I remember, they had stated that a Boeing 757 traveling 570 miles per hour, as declared by the official reports, could not fly at such a low height. I would assume that because of both the size and speed of the plane, physics would not allow for it to fly in such a manner. A jet that large traveling that fast would be pushed upward by some kind of natural force. An experienced pilot would have a great deal of difficulty maintaining control over the jet at such a low altitude; simple physics would be pushing the plane upwards.

Coming round over 33degrees then coming in at zero feet just above the ground at high speed, IMPOSSIBLE for an experienced pilot, so how could a rank amateur do it?

Some of the maneuvers of Flight 77 were mind boggling, to say the least. I have yet to meet a pilot who pull these "stunts" off. The sharp turns, flight changes, unbearable G Forces, and simply getting the plane to fly that fast all prove to be immense challenges.

Solid, proven laws of physics seem to have been defied on several occasions that morning. In all honesty, I cannot explain how a Boeing 757 piloted by a clueless mountain man from the Middle East could have slammed into the Pentagon. It seems more reasonable, after looking at many other data points involving structural failures of the outer rings of the Pentagon and support column collapses, that a small jet, or maybe even a missile, did the majority of the damage.

Who knows what else was involved

[Strat]

Well we (at least our community) can deduce that a 757 could not realistically do what was stated in the commission report. My question was could a military grade jet do it? I generally assume the answer is yes, I just figured id go ahead and ask.

I feel this is a good way to attack this subject. Point out what the commission report states and show how it is impossible. One thing that's also had me thinking is the description of the flight 93 events. In the commission report it states that the terrorists tried to turn the plane abruptly to the left and right to throw passengers off of their feet as they tried breaking down the door. I imagine this would really show the maneuvering capabilities of a 757. Typically we only see them list to the side as the gently aim into another direction, I've never seen them make abrupt turns that could knock someone down. Is that even possible?

[Carmody]

And on the 10th of September 2001, Donald Rumsfeld addressed the public, on TV, over the findings of an outside audit and accounting firm...that the Military had 'misplaced' 2.2 Trillion dollars of taxpayers money.

Standing behind him, was Dov Zakim, a Jewish Ordained Rabbi and dual Israeli citizen.. who was the comptroller of the Pentagon. Ie, in charge of the money.

The next day,This drone plane or whatever it was, hit the Pentagon.

It hit the offices of the accounting and killed 22 members of the audit firm and permanently destroyed the base records of the audit.

The Pentagon Strike bears the marks of being a hastily erected add-on to some other base plan.

[Operator]

Posted by Strat (here)
Well we (at least our community) can deduce that a 757 could not realistically do what was stated in the commission report.

There have been accidents with airliners on air shows because they are not designed to fly that low ... e.g. board computers took over and thought a landing was intended.

Posted by Strat (here)
My question was could a military grade jet do it? I generally assume the answer is yes, I just figured id go ahead and ask.

I remember that in the Netherlands fighter jets were used on June 11, 1977 to fly over a hijacked train at 100 feet and less to shock the hijackers and end the situation.

[Kulapops]

Call me a toad for semantics, but I'd have thought 'not sure' was the only possible choice on this list.

Or at least to expand on that , you could have

'I'm not sure, but I think it was a plane'

'I'm not sure but I think it was a missile'

'I'm not sure, but I think we'll never know for sure'

In which case, I'd still have picked option 3... but at least the other two choices are now accurate

;0)

[morguana]

Agree kula, is it a bird, plane or superman?
I don't think we will ever know for sure, all I can go on is my gut, and as far as I can 'feel' it was expertly demolished, remember that was my first thought when I watched it happening at the time via tv
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[Kulapops]

Would have been kinda neat... and following the 'new physics' we now know to be true...if ... a couple of hours after the 757 hit the pentagon... the entire building would have collapsed into a pile of dust.

Due to the intense heat of the fire inside...etcetera,, etcetera....

[Celine]

How many here, saw the second tower get hit live? on tv?

i did, and i was on the phone with my mother who did also...i remember feeling dizzy and nauseated...i did not speak for ...minutes.. the handle of the phone just laid in my hands..

"stunned" is an understatement...

But i truly felt what i was watching...was hypnotizing... i couldnt stop watching...over and over again..

million felt that way to if i remember..glued to the tv...watching..

felt like i had jumped down the rabbit hole

...perhaps just a "reaction to stress"

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Posted by Kulapops (here)
Would have been kinda neat... and following the 'new physics' we now know to be true...if ... a couple of hours after the 757 hit the pentagon... the entire building would have collapsed into a pile of dust.

Due to the intense heat of the fire inside...etcetera,, etcetera....

Great point Kula..

Hmm

[Kulapops]

I know , slightly off topic. But I'd love to know if anyone out there on avalon actually saw the planes hit the towers with their own eyes... (that can surely only be a group of a few thousand people who were close enough at that time)... and for those people, how many would say that what they saw ties up with what was shown on tv.

I wonder how many saw what hit the pentagon as it happened. A bit like seeing a shooting star.. you'd have to be looking in the right direction at the right time.. even if you were there.

Another point.... of those who saw the first plane hit.. how many commuters within seeing distance of the tower would actually be looking up at the point it hit ?? maybe plenty after... but how many before ?

yes, I know.. tv footage shows people stopping and gazing up.. just before.... but have you ever seen a movie ?????

How many of us felt at the time, it was just like watching a scene from a blockbuster???

I'm not saying it didn't happen.. I'm just saying, how can you know what really did?

Millions of people worldwide saw tv images of what happened as it happened and after it happened, yet maybe only a couple of thousand saw something (and did it even crash at the same speed as we see on tv... seems to happen in slow motion to me... did they slow the footage down? Just as people don't see what hit the pentagon because it happened so fast... perhaps the same was true of the towers. did the people who 'saw' just hear a noise and look up ? or look up in time just to see a flash of something and an explosion? Could also have been missiles.

...and rest of us got the information via the media and trust implicitly what we see on tv. but remember what I say about the magician's rings... they are not both solid facts.

Would be lovely to hear from a few eyewitnesses and hear their story. And I'm not even talking about loosechange here. How do you know the eyewitnesses from these kind of vids were even eyewitnesses ???

Just because someone says to you 'I saw it with my own eyes'... does that mean they did ?????

Oh.. conspiracy conspiracy... it's a never ending road.... I think I better go do the washing up instead...

[Celine]

You should start a poll maybe Kula.

[Operator]

Posted by Kulapops (here)
But I'd love to know if anyone out there on avalon actually saw the planes hit the towers with their own eyes...

Well if I was a paid agent I would love to convince everybody I was there and saw an airliner ... how credible is that ? It simply can't be verified ...
Along the same lines I saw news footage of an eyewitness coming from the area ... the reporter asks about the plane. The response:
"What plane ? There was a bomb !"

The footage seems credible as the witness is hurrying out of the area all covered in dust ... but even that footage can be 'planted' and not verified (anymore).

The only thing left now is your intuition ... and some things you really can be certain of

1. something did hit the twin towers and the pentagon
2. the official explanation is fishy, some of it physically not possible and thus not credible

For me personally it leads to the conclusion that something in the higher ranks is terribly wrong. And this is actually no news at all,
perhaps only more prominent evidence that could stir up the amount of people questioning today's reality.

[viking]

found this...

http://www.project.nsearch.com/video...=facebookshare

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLd_mUXS5E8

viking

[Celine]

Someone needs to buy Bill a plane ticket to Buenos Aires...

22 hours?..hmm working for the goverment? hmm..

[Beth]

Posted by Kulapops (here)
Call me a toad for semantics, but I'd have thought 'not sure' was the only possible choice on this list.

Or at least to expand on that , you could have

'I'm not sure, but I think it was a plane'

'I'm not sure but I think it was a missile'

'I'm not sure, but I think we'll never know for sure'

In which case, I'd still have picked option 3... but at least the other two choices are now accurate

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If you look at the title of this thread and the question in the poll, it says what do you "think" hit the pentagon.

[Carmody]

I'm not at all that concerned about what exactly hit the Pentagon. It is distracting and relatively useless to focus on that.

what I'm more interested in, is the proof in the pudding, which is Rumsfeld stating quite clearly that the $2.2T was missing ....and that the money likely went into black ops projects and outright corporate and 'other' theft.

That's the real topic of discussion as it is observably the real reason that these entire fishy events at the Pentagon - took place.

The sept 10, 2001 Rumsfeld Pentagon Press conference is on the net,as a video. Go look at it.

Once again it is not important what hit the pentagon. The reason for it occurring is paramount. All the evidence of that direction to go in - is out there.

As was said to the Student in 'Enter The Dragon (Bruce Lee points and the student looks), "Stop looking at my finger, or you will miss all that heavenly glory!"

[Kulapops]

Posted by yaya551 (here)
If you look at the title of this thread and the question in the poll, it says what do you "think" hit the pentagon.

Ok... fair point !

I'll get me coat...

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