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    Hi, All:

    The Project Camelot / TruTV pilot episode of SHADOW OPERATIONS -- entitled "The Mars Project" -- was aired on 7 November, 2012, two years after a long week of shooting in California, Arizona, Nevada and Utah.


    http://youtube.com/watch?v=slQD0rUqbGo

    Kerry and I were delighted. Taken by surprise by the sudden decision to screen the show, we were also delighted with the very positive response from a critical public who had only known TruTV for their commitment to Jesse Ventura's series CONSPIRACY THEORY.

    It now remains to be seen whether we'll be asked to shoot an entire series ourselves. Much will depend on the response from the public: this is all any network cares about. If you'd like to see any more of Project Camelot on television, then please write TruTV and let them know.

    There's a bit of a backstory to the episode shown here. As in any TV show, many scenes never made it to the final cut. Sean Carroll (the CalTech physicist), after some particularly pointed questioning from Kerry, suddenly took off his microphone and walked away. This real-life drama was edited out, although we had urged it to be retained. We do not own the rights to the footage, therefore we cannot show it.

    The confrontation with the security guards was staged (though it was quite well done!). The altercation that had been reported to us by Dave Rosenfeld happened just as he described, and he had been genuinely intimidated. But when we drove out to see if we could provoke a similar experience, nothing happened. The "re-enactment" was requested by TruTV. In a sense, this is authentic -- as we do know this could have happened, although in actuality it did not. Such are the rules of the game in Reality TV.

    The photo of the huge vertical beam shown by Dave Rosenfeld, and his testimony about the Venture Star spacecraft, are 100% authentic. So is everything else in the show (except that, of course, the photos of the "Mars Tubes" shown to us by Gordon Novel have already been on the internet for many years).

    After hearing about the Venture Star, we made a spontaneous call to aerospace investigator Michael Schratt, whose spontaneous response was "WOW!!". (We laughed: normally cautious and serious, Michael's response was a genuinely human and exuberant one. But because it was not an action sequence, and all we had was Kerry talking on her cellphone in the car, it ever made it to the show.)

    Brian O'Leary, with no surprise to anyone who knew him, was articulate, grounded and intelligent in his recorded section, in which he talked for over ten minutes about the Face on Mars and his relationship with imaging specialist Mark Carlotto, whom he'd known personally. He was involved with that group of image analysts at the time when the "Face" had been identified.

    None of that made it into the show either, as the producers preferred to focus on the dramatic events that had prompted Brian to move to Ecuador. (These were real, but had been hyped for the purposes of the episode. "We want a sense of danger", said TruTV.) Brian was unhappy with how he had been portrayed in the editing, but like every other participant, had signed a release form and had no say at all in how his piece would be used.

    Many people ask us about Andy Basiago, whose claims about having personally been to Mars have become quite well-known. To put it simply, we do not believe him -- although we do also not doubt Andy's sincerity. (There was a section of the show which was also edited out, when body language expert Lillian Glass interviewed him in depth, to conclude on camera that Andy absolutely believed everything he was saying.)

    It should be noted for the record that I first spoke with Andy Basiago, in a four hour phone call, long before anyone else had heard his story -- back in February 2007. He talked at great length about the teleportation experiments he'd been part of when he was a child -- and never mentioned Mars. Those 'memories' all came to him later.

    Many ask us why key Camelot witness Henry Deacon (Arthur Neumann) was not featured in the show. The answer is simple: he declined to take part. And nor could he be mentioned, without a signed release form. Therefore he could not 'exist', and Andy Basiago was a sort of substitute. (Henry really HAS been to Mars.)

    Finally, the show is a tribute to our friends Dr Brian O'Leary, and Gordon Novel, both of whom have passed on since the episode was recorded in August 2010. I do think that both of them would have enjoyed and appreciated the positive response. For that, Kerry and I both thank all the viewers who have offered such positive and encouraging feedback.
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    Default Re: The Project Camelot / TruTV pilot episode : SHADOW OPERATIONS - The Mars Project

    thank you for the new upload Bill.....I watched the one posted on another thread last night and the quality was terrible....picture all jittery ...since I don't watch TV I had wondered was this some new style of filming! was greatly relieved to see a much cleaner version by you.......congrats to you all.

    btw I know Brian OLeary died of cancer but Novel?? do you think there was anything suspicious about their deaths after filming this show??

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    How many hits has this pilot episode gotten so far?

    [[post update]]

    I answered my own question. there are 3 versions now on You Tube. The original 5 part version has 23,000 hits on part one. The other two versions, one of which just uploaded, have no hits or too few to count.

    Is the Alpha Zebra version Bill's version? There should be something in the title which indicates it's the original Project Avalon version.
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    I like the pilot episode. I'd like to see you and Kerry get more control over the content if any new episodes are ordered.
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    I do have some questions.

    Yes it's easy to be a "keyboard critic" It's easy not to say and do anything and just play the critic once in a while.

    But still questions are questions.


    I do think and feel there is something up with Mars. But this show didn't felt right, and in many ocassions i felt like the questions already implied the answers, or in other words the person asking the questions knew what is likely to be answered.
    I know, if I drink a beer in a pub with Richard Hoagland, and i ask him , is NASA covering up something on Mars?...I know the answer.
    I dont say its the wrong answer...but where is the journalist code here? Why there was no expert , and I'm sure there are many that have an opinion , that believe there are no artificial structures on Mars. Yes they maybe wrong, but I want to hear their arguments.
    I want to decide what is real or not, I dont want it to be decided by someone else.

    And yes there is the issue of credibility , we all know what Hoagland said about Elenin, and chances are he was wrong about that and right about Mars, but there is still an issue.

    Yes it's easy to comment behind a keyboard, but I just felt like doing it.

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    Kudos to you Bill, Kerry and all the others involved in this production. Thank you for raising consciousness and awareness...

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    I watched the version posted on divinecosmos before it aired on TruTV. The version I watched was nauseatingly over-loaded with sound effects (David Wilcock warned about this). I sincerely hope the version that aired had fewer sound effects.

    I also hope this gets a lot of attention, if for no other reason than to encourage TruTV to air many of the Project Camelot interviews.
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    I kept of thinking of mulder and Scully, like it was some real episode of the X files.

    Bill and Kerry make an excellent team, they really compliment each other well, like the chaos and the calm. Kerry brings the ooomph, Bill gives it class.

    I really hope you can work together in the future and get this kind of stage, watching this reminded me, what we have been missing

    Well done and I am impressed with your honesty about the staged events!

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    Bill, you are a natural for voice work on documentaries. Richard Hoagland made the statement that "the skies on Mars were blue so they turned the color tent down to make them appear red"......how simple was that. Back when I was young the old T.V you turned on and set the tone,picture,tent,volume by hand you could turn the color down and it would appear red and basically that's all NASA did......geez.........

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    Quote Posted by Chris82 (here)
    I do have some questions.

    Yes it's easy to be a "keyboard critic" It's easy not to say and do anything and just play the critic once in a while.

    But still questions are questions.


    I do think and feel there is something up with Mars. But this show didn't felt right, and in many ocassions i felt like the questions already implied the answers, or in other words the person asking the questions knew what is likely to be answered.
    I know, if I drink a beer in a pub with Richard Hoagland, and i ask him , is NASA covering up something on Mars?...I know the answer.
    I dont say its the wrong answer...but where is the journalist code here? Why there was no expert , and I'm sure there are many that have an opinion , that believe there are no artificial structures on Mars. Yes they maybe wrong, but I want to hear their arguments.
    I want to decide what is real or not, I dont want it to be decided by someone else.

    And yes there is the issue of credibility , we all know what Hoagland said about Elenin, and chances are he was wrong about that and right about Mars, but there is still an issue.

    Yes it's easy to comment behind a keyboard, but I just felt like doing it.
    Quite right, this is after all a 'forum' and not a lecture theatre. I think the commercial format which the Tru tv folks wanted to inject into the narrative created this
    rather lob sided spin which seems rather like 'leading questions to planted commentators'-i suppose the young physicist acted as a kind of Devil's Advocate stating we are centuries off being able to Macro-Teleport.
    But the Basiago story is a little too out there in hyper space to be accepted by most of us in any case. I actually thought the Pilot was pretty good, especially as it is marketed to the more general public
    and not the hard core insiders such as we here on PA. By the way Chris82, what is that creature in your Avatar/Flag box, it looks a bit 'Batty', but elongated?

    It looks like you may have had a few laughs along the way shooting this one Bill? Great Stuff.

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    So why have Andy on if you don't believe him? Why present people who are not credible even in the rather gullible alternative community and pair them with wonderful folks like O'leary and Dean. Also, I am surprised you guys decided to engage in the reenactment frankly. And acting like you guys just heard all this info for the first time for the sake of a cheesy reality show. I say this having genuine respect for you and Kerry, although I frankly think she's gone a bit off the deep end with camelot these days. Wilcock and hoagland have been widely discredited. I will say, that this whole thing with Arthur is a real shame, but frankly he was probably better off not being on a show that came across as a bit silly.

    I would like to see a more up to date interview with him but I am guessing that won't ever happen. The irony is, I did enjoy seeing you guys on a major network television show, and think that many of your whistle blowers do deserve a lot more national airtime then they have gotten. (though maybe not as many as you would have). Some of the most important info Bob Dean has to share didn't even show up on the show, instead you have a more sensational claim made by him about aliens being there for 100,000 years.....
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    Quote Posted by Huma (here)
    So why have Andy on if you don't believe him? Why present people who are not credible even in the rather gullible alternative community and pair them with wonderful folks like O'leary and Dean. Also, I am surprised you guys decided to engage in the reenactment frankly. And acting like you guys just heard all this info for the first time for the sake of a cheesy reality show. I say this having genuine respect for you and Kerry, although I frankly think she's gone a bit off the deep end with camelot these days. Wilcock and hoagland have been widely discredited. I will say, that this whole thing with Arthur is a real shame, but frankly he was probably better off not being on a show that came across as a bit silly.

    I would like to see a more up to date interview with him but I am guessing that won't ever happen. The irony is, I did enjoy seeing you guys on a major network television show, and think that many of your whistle blowers do deserve a lot more national airtime then they have gotten. (though maybe not as many as you would have). Some of the most important info Bob Dean has to share didn't even show up on the show, instead you have a more sensational claim made by him about aliens being there for 100,000 years.....
    Maybe Dean's info was edited to where only the 100,000 years on Mars information was left. If you really think about a 100,000 year old civilization and still there being on Mars is real and I believe it.....well, thats pretty astounding stuff.

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    Bill ~


    Is it possible for you to have someone subtitle this version? As you know there is a subtitled one that was on the thread that you closed, so with a bunch of additional editing work -- maybe I can do the editing, if I could learn how to work with subtitles? -- it can be ready for the public with clean, professional-looking subtitles?


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    I thought that the Shadow Operations pilot project was intelligently and very well done. Really a high quality showing. Providing never before seen documention to the public at large.

    Bill and Kerry were a class act. Appreciate all the work you do in uncovering and getting the truth out there.

    I had the show recorded and will be showing it to friends and family.

    I look forward to seeing another episode.


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    Please put a link to this thread in your final post in the closed thread? It has 12k hits and will still generate more, for a few days, and it will be the fuel that fires this one- re it's genesis.
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    Quote Posted by BrianEn (here)
    I like the pilot episode. I'd like to see you and Kerry get more control over the content if any new episodes are ordered.
    One has to be careful here. what ends up happening is that stalemate situations can occur over 30 seconds of footage in a given episode and the entire thing can come down to final positions on changes vs airing/no airing. Thus content and editing can get into arguments with rights and privileges. (creators vs financing and airing).

    This is, BTW, generally speaking, the best situation that one can hope to get into, contract wise.

    Complete control of the formation of the episode... vs... control of rights and airing.

    That is the form of the best and actually, the most common arrangements.

    Thus, if going into negotiations, one has to be working from that viewpoint. However, at that point, one has to also be able to pull off quality production work. That the given other side of the table has to believe in the production group or team.

    If one is 'just the content' and not the conductor (editing, production, and so on) of said content, then it becomes a bit trickier. Suddenly you've got a three headed beast, each with different intent and values. Production can flip it's orientation at any moment, thus this is that strange little world where EVERYTHING has to be on paper. People in that world only respond to contract and how they respond to contract is what creates and is their reputation, which is the core of any future work.

    Thus, a real production house, with a history, will abide by a contract. (to hold their future intact)

    IF a production company has been set up newly, and only for this show, then it can be viewed as a special interest, and therefore dangerous to the one head, which is content origin.

    Welcome.... to what is seemingly the dirtiest and most difficult world outside of war zones and stock market floors.

    If you look at whiskey mystic's avatar he has a slightly sour look and is drinking, for a reason. The Film business is enough to drive anyone mad. (He is a producer)
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    Good job on the TV format, shows enough information to make people want to know more while also being entertaining. A nice tribute to Dr O'Leary and Mr Novel for their efforts in this field.

    Thanks for the efforts of all those involved, I hope it builds enough of a following to be granted a run on TruTV.
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    Thanks for the heads up, Bill. Honesty much appreciated.

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    I think this was an excellent job for the medium of US tv. Here in Europe, of France at least, we can manage investigative shows and even political debates lasting an hour or considerably more without commercials, which are really a serious disruption. The Franco-German channel Arte is by definition half the time in the other language with subtitles, but apparently this does not deter viewers. Maybe an airing over here would be an idea. I'm not sure the USA should remain the centre of gravity of this whole issue.


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