The Project Camelot / TruTV pilot episode : SHADOW OPERATIONS - The Mars Project

[Bill Ryan]

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I appreciate all the intelligent comments, including those from people who dislike TruTV's style (or TV of any kind!).

Believe me, Kerry and I discussed this long and hard, both with one another and with our Director, who was a longstanding Camelot supporter and had become a personal friend (no longer with Fishbowl Productions, btw). The problem is simply that the paymaster calls the tune. In the end, I think the show turned as good as it was ever (realistically) going to be.

Here's the question: does one stand for diehard integrity and refuse to be part of any commercial operation -- which inevitably includes hype, advertising, and distortion -- and continue forever to talk only to a small, minority audience? After much discussion, we consciously made the call to try to reach a larger audience, armed with compelling testimony from the likes of Bob Dean, knowing that we would be criticized by some. I do think we did the right thing.

We also knew that in the pilot episode, we'd have little or no executive say. We were total unknowns in the TV world, and the pilot could easily be canned (which is what we'd thought had happened). But, just supposing that TruTV wants to commission a series. It's not out of the question. Now, we have more say, we have an agent, and we can negotiate our terms (such as more a more active and executive production role, and insisting on certain content).

Moreover, because what was shot and edited is now in the public domain, we can now use that to promote ourselves to other networks. Prior to screening, we were invisible and did not own the footage to show to anyone else. All that has changed. Either or both of Kerry and myself could easily, in theory, be approached by other networks, in these changing times. And our agent's job is to sell us shamelessly, together or individually, to anyone who may be interested.

In closing, there are a few YouTube comments (inevitably!) about our "selling out and cashing in". It's to Avalon's credit that none of that has been bandied here. For the record (and this is from memory, as it was all so long ago!), I earned something like $1,350 after US tax deducted at source, plus expenses at cost. That was all. It was a pittance, and we did not get rich.

[observer]

Bill,

One is rarely thanked for shattering someone's ideologies.

I believe I speak for most of the members, when I say thank you for everything you have done....

[Snoweagle]

Doesn't it make you wonder why TruTV were allowed to broadcast this excellent expose when the black budget cartel command so much secrecy?
Whilst the video clearly raised so many unanswered questions promoting the Mars paradigm into the general public arena, it remains to be seen, how the perception of the public (sheeple) consider its value when compared to the inherent doctrinal belief that the work of NASA is in some way godly and above reproach.

We avidly await disclosure, we have no way of knowing how that will manifest and to what scale, even though the real world is about to embark on another world conflict all controlled by the same owners of the same black op projects. I wonder whether the broadcast of Bill and Kerrys brave truth assault has been tolerated in this endgame time rather than the prequel to disclosure itself. Modern day revelation so to speak.

It says something that you were not intimidated during your desert venture by the Delta Force Seal Airbourne mercenaries afterall which one of them would want to interrogate Kerry, they'd never get a word in. Love you lots Kerry, keep up the good work:-)
Thanks Bill and Kerry, champions too Avalon and Camelot.

[Mozart]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I earned something like $1,350 after US tax deducted at source, plus expenses at cost. That was all. It was a pittance, and we did not get rich.

Wow, Bill, that's a pittance, alright, but a price to pay to gain a priceless foothold into the world of TV, now that you've aired once.


So thanks to your avid supporters and the Internet, the spread of the pilot show will go far and wide, far wider than the initial pilot, so I hope that TruTV is taking notice of that, as well as any other network that may consider tendering an offer to you to create a series out of this.


So if you get a series, THEN you'd finally get the kind of money that you deserve with increasing amounts of money as the series goes into multiple production seasons. You deserve every single bit of any money that you could get from a series.


I do think that huge changes, including Disclosure, is on the way and that such changes would happen very soon, like by the end of this year, 2012, or early 2013, at the latest, so if such changes happens, then the TV networks would fall over themselves to try to get people onto TV to talk about these once-hidden shadow sh!t that the MSM has long endeavored to suppress.


So now that you've aired on TV prior to the big series of the on-going Disclosure process, you'd be first in line of the desirable people whom TV networks would try to nail down in a contract for a series, so you'd be in a stronger position with which to create the kinds of terms that you'd want -- like control over content, footage, etc -- not to mention being paid even more money than you would have been paid in a pre-Disclosure world.


Since any TV series of any shadow operations would likely operate in a post-Disclosure world, footage would then focus on showing the ACTUAL shadow facilities themselves, like the DUMBs in Area 51, Dulce, below Denver; plus the actual space-based craft that the shadow agencies have built and operated, along with the information that our little solar system is so populated with other 3-D beings who have long progressed along the lines of technology that their weapons are "big honker guns" to which our weapons -- even the best, reverse-engineered ones -- have no answer for, so Earth's little, breakaway civilization is stuck with this little, 'ol Third Rock from the sun.


If we humans want to go out in space and finally join the gigantic space community that already exists out there, our ET buddies will no doubt point out that we would have to drop our ways of war, of killing each other and re-orient our thinking of using weapons only in self-defense against other 3-D space/time beings out there with those "big honker guns". Self-defense ONLY and only after failures of hailing others, like how Star Trek does it in their efforts to communicate with any ships out there that pose any threat to them, firing back only if attacked.


If we were to drop our ways of war and to connect with the 88+ ET-based civilizations that are out there, then I have little doubt that the ETs would assist us in technology in helping us to get out there, to properly defend ourselves out there, and most importantly, to help us clean up the MASSIVE, EFFING mess that we've made down here on our Earth.


Cleaning up the mess and making peace amongst ourselves is our first priority and our first test about our fitness for space-based travel. With the ETs connecting with us, we'd be able to quickly clean up our mess, then we can see about space-based travel.


So with all that in mind, I think that Bill and Kerry will very soon find themselves having TV executives banging on their door in their asking for contracts for a TV series to be done and that the TV series would be done in an effing hurry in order to get them out there asap, given the public's soon-to-be insatiable demand for any shadow-based information.


So Bill and Kerry, you may want to talk with each other asap, along with your agent, about this and try to visualize the very real possibility of suddenly having a whirlwind of TV-based activity. If you've talked about this prior to it happening and have agreed upon some common ground, then both of you could handle this coming and sudden rush with greater ease and ability to be united to nail down a better contract for a better quality TV series to begin.


I'd suggest for both of you to leave your calendars as open as possible in Dec, 2012 and the early part of 2013, so that you'd be free to make commitments to support your new TV series that I'm pretty sure would happen once the big Disclosure events finally unfold in big public ways.


~Mozart

[Rocky_Shorz]

David Wilcock has a lot of shows on History channel, doesn't he have contacts to move you in there too?

[Mike]

way to go Bill!

cool cool stuff. don't spend all that money in 1 place!

[Hervé]

A possible reason why the pilot was released from under someone's elbow -- and which is a standard operating procedure in military circles -- is that this particular project has become obsolete. The military, for example, did it with the A bomb once they got a grip on the H bomb; leaking scientific info on the obsolete one.

To understand why that particular project, which is part of the whole "Alternative 3," has become obsolete is explained plainly by "Daniel" in his recent publications (see this thread:
Geoengineering, Chemtrails, HAARP, World Orders, Time Lines and Ascension ) and which corroborates what Ingo Swann, way back when, "remote viewed" on the moon.

Hence, giving media coverage to this -- now obsolete -- project, becomes a distraction outlet from what is currently "not-yet-obsolete."

[WhiteFeather]

So to simplify the moral of the entire UFO supression agendas are due to the fact that The Alternative Energy Devices That Our Galactic Friends Utilize to enter our Space, would create quite a catastrophic jolt to this planet's economical infrastructure!!!!!! Goes to show you how money and destruction of our sacred planet is the main priority here and nothing else. Keeping us imprisoned to this Energy Ponzi Scheme.

[Snookie]

I have to wonder if one of the reasons this program was aired now is because of the Curiosity rover now on Mars? What if they decide to reveal there is life on the planet? Well they can always point to this program & say "we told you about it", just a thought....

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Bill Ryan: "Here's the question: does one stand for diehard integrity and refuse to be part of any commercial operation -- which inevitably includes hype, advertising, and distortion -- and continue forever to talk only to a small, minority audience"

Hi Bill ~

It might depends on the consequences and on how much you need to lower the bar in order to get a chance to be exposed to the large audience, it also dependes on the chances of the audience to understand what is presented to them in a coherent way through a specific format. it depends on how much you divert from the energy that brought you to the place you are right now, and gave the information you exposed the leverage it needed and created a ripple effect. it also depends on how much cooperation can be achieved through a media that supports human brain degeneration (now, that one is a little radical, but not totally unbased) and it depends on how much control you are willing to let someone else have to convey your message , this one is an important consideration because they can also discredit you if and when the need arise...

All in all, it is only up to you and to Kerry to consider, of course ) and as one Avalonian once said - All is well, and it is true for every situation, this is one bet (you will need to eat your hat, what else ) I would not like to be involved in..

There can be many points of view as there are many members here, but, I think everyone who expresses an opinion basically care a great deal for you, Kerry, Avalon and Camelot and the general cause, to want it to be thrown away, or be cheapened in any way , the fact that you are open to listen is very admirable and not taken for granted. you are a rare species ~

[Mandala]

Make sure you go to TRUTV , and contact them, leave a comment to let them know you liked it and want more.

It's a small box, so squish in what you can..
I love watching TRUTV. I watched the Jesse Ventura new show and it was good, glad he's back. I really liked the show that came after, Shadow Operations. Can we see more of those? When, what time, let me know! I loved the first episode!!

[pugwash84]

omggggggg that was so frikken cool, I loved it. It's got a lot of facts out but also very entertaining and exciting, I found myself at the edge of my seat lol. When can we see another?

[pugwash84]

Posted by Mandala (here)
Make sure you go to TRUTV , and contact them, leave a comment to let them know you liked it and want more.

It's a small box, so squish in what you can..
I love watching TRUTV. I watched the Jesse Ventura new show and it was good, glad he's back. I really liked the show that came after, Shadow Operations. Can we see more of those? When, what time, let me know! I loved the first episode!!

Good idea, I just did that.

I've just seen SHADOW OPERATIONS - The Mars Project and it was brilliant, I would love to see more stuff like this on tv. It had a lot of theory's but at the same time very exciting, It was like geek but chic. Best thing on tv for a long time.

[Amysenthia]

I was so excited to see the episode that has been so talked about. One can only wonder what took TruTV so long to put it on. I wish that I had seen it advertised by TRU TV so that I could have watched its original airing. The Project Camelot presentation was so much more believable than the Jesse Ventura, in your face, conspiracy type shows. PC shows the truth behind what JVs "Conspiracy Theory", just touches on. I loved how you just show the dots and how they connect. TruTV needs to air PC before Conspiracy Theory to show people what is behind the stories that he is just starting to learn about. PC has discovered, done the background, and are disseminating the info.

I do wish that Bob Dean would have had a greater part of the stories shown. HIs story is one of the most fascinating that anyone can learn about.

I will definitely be looking forward to more shows. I will also make sure to drop MHO on the TruTv homepage.

Thanks for all that you have done Bill and Kerry. I know I am personally forever grateful.

[13th Warrior]

Here's the question: does one stand for diehard integrity and refuse to be part of any commercial operation -- which inevitably includes hype, advertising, and distortion -- and continue forever to talk only to a small, minority audience? After much discussion, we consciously made the call to try to reach a larger audience, armed with compelling testimony from the likes of Bob Dean, knowing that we would be criticized by some. I do think we did the right thing.

I concur, you did the right thing.

The show was good!

I'm glad you were upfront about the staged armed guard incident; my only little niggle about the production but, i understand why these things are done.

Best of luck on future shows; break a leg!

[BrianEn]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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I appreciate all the intelligent comments, including those from people who dislike TruTV's style (or TV of any kind!).

Believe me, Kerry and I discussed this long and hard, both with one another and with our Director, who was a longstanding Camelot supporter and had become a personal friend (no longer with Fishbowl Productions, btw). The problem is simply that the paymaster calls the tune. In the end, I think the show turned as good as it was ever (realistically) going to be.

Here's the question: does one stand for diehard integrity and refuse to be part of any commercial operation -- which inevitably includes hype, advertising, and distortion -- and continue forever to talk only to a small, minority audience? After much discussion, we consciously made the call to try to reach a larger audience, armed with compelling testimony from the likes of Bob Dean, knowing that we would be criticized by some. I do think we did the right thing.

We also knew that in the pilot episode, we'd have little or no executive say. We were total unknowns in the TV world, and the pilot could easily be canned (which is what we'd thought had happened). But, just supposing that TruTV wants to commission a series. It's not out of the question. Now, we have more say, we have an agent, and we can negotiate our terms (such as more a more active and executive production role, and insisting on certain content).

Moreover, because what was shot and edited is now in the public domain, we can now use that to promote ourselves to other networks. Prior to screening, we were invisible and did not own the footage to show to anyone else. All that has changed. Either or both of Kerry and myself could easily, in theory, be approached by other networks, in these changing times. And our agent's job is to sell us shamelessly, together or individually, to anyone who may be interested.

In closing, there are a few YouTube comments (inevitably!) about our "selling out and cashing in". It's to Avalon's credit that none of that has been bandied here. For the record (and this is from memory, as it was all so long ago!), I earned something like $1,350 after US tax deducted at source, plus expenses at cost. That was all. It was a pittance, and we did not get rich.

Then there's always the opportunity to direct people who wouldn't know of Camelot and Avalon to be able to find youse.

[Shade]

That vid was pretty interesting. It was cool to be able to see people talking like that in the flesh so that their body language can be analysed. I found this video informative would definitely like to see more like it. And as suggested; How about the History Channel? They have done so well with Ancient Aliens, why not you guys?

Andy Basiago - I detected micro expressions during this video of slight smirking - the way he is standing, slightly back but forcing himself forward, part of him is lying and is showing that.. and he is smirking because he is pleased with himself but the smirk is mixed into microexpressions of self disgust. In other words, his body language says that he is not telling the truth.

Just for an example in there of someone being honest, David Wilcock was telling the truth, his body language was open and not in self conflict. In that he is not making up what he has been told by his contacts but that doesn't say anything about whether they were being truthful, it just means that David isn't lying. A person who is lying will usually have conflicting messages in their body, with one layer betraying their dishonesty, because the body really cannot lie. it will make something apparent, but it can be extremely hard to spot, usually just leaving you with a certain something missing or a feeling of 'going along with' what someone has said. Many people can cover the conflicts and just hold your attention in such a way as that you are mesmerised by them and don't see the lying because you want to believe them because they want you to - these are skilful deceivers with charisma charm.

Sometimes you can see it in a holding back, a disgust for self a hostility a turning away of the body, and unnatural modulations in the tone and meter of their words. Basiago during the discussion on the sky of Mars - the meter was too regular and rehearsed and he used the 'baby blue sky' phrase because that was the exact wording that Carl Sagan used as documented (And that it looked like Arizona). It was out of harmony and place, this bit he knows very well what to say and that it was exactly what was expected to be heard. A bit of nervousness caused him to fall back on the exact script wording which is a bit of a mistake. Not that there is an exact script word for word that I am implying here just that the story as a whole as he had learned it had those exact words in it.

Listen to the way he says "I took two trips to mars" 25:35, specifically the up lift in 'two', and the hesitation before he says the sentence. He says it with a slight tone which says that he doesn't believe it himself. The reason he doesn't believe it himself is because he didn't go there. Even if someone is mind controlled (brain washed, programmed etc.) into believing they went somewhere they didn't you can read it in their body language and voice because their subconscious speaks of knowing that nothing of this kind took place and it will underlay the conscious expression in micro expressions, body language and voice in a conflicting manner. If something is spoken of and actually DID take place, not just with the conscious believing it, but all of a person believing it, all the layers of body and voice action are in harmony and do not conflict. It is like watching and listening to a piece of music - lies, deception or confusion weigh in as disharmony in the music you see and hear from them.

Now I have picked this up on a first watch - this is the best way to get this kind of reading because the more you look at it and analyse it, the more your own noises and excuses and desires about what you want to hear rather than what is actually being said can desensitise you and cloud your perceptions. From that point you have to have a good grasp of the micro expressions and body language analysis frame by frame and the voice too to take it further. I definitely see that Basiago is not speaking the truth. If you listen to the sentence "I took two trips to mars" his words and his voice do not match up because that's not what he's really saying. What he's saying is that "I didn't take two trips to Mars but I am telling you that and I hope you believe me, God I hate myself for lying to you, what a sh*tty and difficult job I have I hope I get a raise for this lying but I'm not so confident that it's working on you, damn I'm on camera. smile for the camera. oh no it knows. I'm so busted."

26:27 "They put a contact officer (sort of) in my life" the sort of is very quick and a disclaimer which is a little hiccup from his subconscious as a confession - it reads: soft of = no they didn't. It didn't happen. Look at the micro expression at 26:42. His eyes narrow his tongue is out, he was nodding and hesitates because it is a no, not a yes. He knows what he is saying is false or his subconscious knows it, if he is brain washed to say what he is saying, which is possible. Who knows what kinds of conditioning he has been through. It could be either, but is more likely to be intentional because of the disgust mircoexpressions. Someone who has been manipulated to say things without their conscious intent to deceive being the driver is not going to find them self as disgusting and uncomfortable as someone who is doing it on purpose.

With the level seen here, he is doing it on purpose. What I hear from him is a rehearsed story, with a shallow depth of actual existence - it appears shallow in his body language... only the surface is speaking it. Every sentence... "I saw a swirling.... and it opened into an underground base on Mars".. none of the words match the sound and pace of the sentences. That's how things start to sound when you have rehearsed them too many times and you don't mean them, a true experience of the things is not being accessed in order to speak them.

I also want to say that not telling the geologist that the photos were on Mars "because all geology is the same" is not true. The geology on Mars is different to the geology on Earth. The plate tectonics (which ended a long time ago now because Mars is smaller than the Earth meaning it cooled down quicker), the soil physics, the gravity and air pressure means that things are different up there in how its matter moves and for instance how water, or rather ice, behaves in the soil, as well as all other molecules and atoms. There are things on Mars that you don't see on Earth because it's Mars and has different geology. One side of Mars for instance displays a very old surface, heavily cratered from the heavy bombardment 3.5ish billion years ago. Only minute pieces of the Earth remain from this point in time in the Solar System's history, because our plate tectonics have recycled all our surface rocks. The rocks on Mars display heavy cratering from all variations of meteorites and their geological effects on impact. We don't have all the comparisons to make to them on Earth. Therefore it is not going to look like anything we know here. Also, to me - the formations in the photos at question looked natural, to Mars.

[genevieve]

Bill--

Kudos to you and Kerry, and thank you.

I'm glad I hung in and watched the episode to the end, but I almost didn't.

The camera flitting from one thing to the next like a busy fly was almost
more than I could bear, and had I been watching it alone, I most surely
would've turned it off.

It seems that quick shots are de rigeur in "truth" TV, but your episode
seemed to go beyond what I've experienced elsewhere. Makes me wonder
if TruTV were actually trying to put viewers off for some reason.


Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
Genevieve

[Huma]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Huma (here)
So why have Andy on if you don't believe him? Why present people who are not credible even in the rather gullible alternative community and pair them with wonderful folks like O'leary and Dean. Also, I am surprised you guys decided to engage in the reenactment frankly. And acting like you guys just heard all this info for the first time for the sake of a cheesy reality show.

The problem with a TV show like this is that you have little or no control over what you're asked to do, or -- worse still! -- over the editing. We shot something like 25 hours of material over 8 days (with two cameras). The show in the end lasted 43 minutes, minus commercials -- which means that 97% of the footage was unused or rejected. Kerry and I offered our opinions quite strongly (as you might imagine) ... but in the end we had no executive authority over anything at all.

There was one instance at the end of a long day's shooting when I reprimanded the camera team for not capturing a particularly smart bit of ad lib, that had happened before they were prepared. I was quietly taken aside by both the the Director and Producer and told in no uncertain terms that it was categorically not my place to say anything at all about those parts of the production.

This kind of thing was was always a problem, because we were not just 'talent' (as actors and presenters are known in Hollywood). We were film makers, camera operators, editors, directors and producers in our own right, well able to put together a whole show ourselves if we had the funding. We were a kind of anomaly, and from the production company's point of view were not always easy to deal with.

It's not all bad, though. Doing the pilot show on The Mars Project was my own suggestion (I proposed it to TruTV in a phone call when Kerry was not able to make it to that conference), and they were smart enough to pick it up and use it. Sean Carroll, Ron Nicks, Dave Rosenfeld (good catch!) and Andy Basiago were brought in by the producers, but of course we introduced Gordon Novel (it was my idea to start the show with him), David Wilcock, Richard Hoagland, Brian O'Leary, and Bob Dean.

We had pushed hard for Henry Deacon's important testimony to be included as a centerpiece, but were told it could not happen for legal reasons (he had not given his consent). We'd also pushed even harder for the show to be called PROJECT CAMELOT (not Shadow Operations!) -- but for reasons which are still hard to understand, given the very large existing support base, TruTV did not want to use the name.

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Is the AlphaZebra version Bill's version? There should be something in the title which indicates it's the original Project Avalon version.

Yes, I edited that myself. AlphaZebra is the Avalon channel.

Thanks for addressing that Bill. While my personal thoughts on the evidence against wilcock and hoagland still stands, it's good to know you gave it your best, and I would have assumed as much . Henry Deacon/Arthur to this day is the one person that has intrigued me the most, maybe next to the likes of Pete peterson, bob dean, and Clifford stone (i have had many very long conversations with clifford and gathered some interesting facts about him that are not known publicly). It is a shame Arthur won't/can't go on public record anymore.

[Limor Wolf]

Hi Huma, Clifford Stone is one of the most intriguing people and whistleblowers, he has a real military story to tell, on the edge of unbelieable. but he seems to be an extremely decent and honest person (and an empath), which makes it way more easy to listen to what he says and reflect on the meaning of it all. I think that his testimony is a good place for a begginers to listen to and I used to recommend the Camelot interview done with him, as a stepping stone for those who need to lose their 'Ufo virginity' . It is a shame that we can not hear more from him.