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24th March 2014 19:23
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Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs
Hi TraineeHuman!
I have decided to stop by just to tell you that I have read all that your wrote recently, here and elsewhere.
At one point I felt bogged down by the weight of the forum, in whichever way people want to translate those words, and decided to step out, for a while or for longer.
I am braking that promise temporarily.
I have felt this need to stay aligned to the purpose of the forum more than to what it may feel staying logged in or out of the forum, as a place or as people.
I also want to thank Jake for his last post, because he has summed up the way I have felt for some time, too.
My reason for asking you to explain a lot of things related to possessions and thoughts came from some of my friends. Since my patience isn't all that great, on many levels, to get to explain things that are difficult enough to put in words, I thought you are the best one for the job.
I have had my own moments, but I have learnt to figure things out for myself. I still go about life this way.
The main reason I stopped today is to share that ... last night was funny. In a good and interesting way.
I was feeling rather sick since the night before. And I have this busy way of sleeping on those days.
Last night someone stopped by and offered me a hand. I was completely aware of what was going on. I was able to rise to a sitting position, Out of Body, and almost stood up, but while I was at that state, aware of what was going on, I felt...lost. I couldn't figure out where I wanted to go. I mean, it was really funny. Than I felt I may just get back in, and I tossed and turned in my bed for 2 hours later. My body was actually burning. I don't think I had fever, but it felt that way. Down by me feet I felt this strong pulsation, and also a firm tension all the way through to the crown of my head.
The person who helped me, I have to say, I apologize, but I probably am opinionated indeed.
I think later on in a dream (which I remember almost completely), I managed to visit the destination that was offered to me.
The experience was really amazing.
I am sharing here, for you, to know that someone's making some conscious progress! (who knows, I might get enlightened all of a sudden ).
I have had some of those before, but that was somehow different.
Now I need to figure out where I do want to go (OOB).
That is the funny part.
Thank you for all the effort you have put forward!
And thank you person, who stopped by. Next time I promise to be better prepared.
this life is funny this way...
Last edited by chocolate; 25th March 2014 at 09:35.
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25th March 2014 09:33
Link to Post #1562
Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs
I am listening to this talk right now.
I just remembered about some audio files I once encountered from Stephen LaBerge. I did use them at the time.
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26th March 2014 12:22
Link to Post #1563
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Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs
Highwhistler has said that self-inquiry / psychotherapy etc isn't necessary if you have established the stillness strongly enough within you -- or words to that effect. And I happen to know she's quite right. If a person has reached the stage where the stillness is truly strong, then they can indeed use it to kind of blot out any negativity, or temptation to negativity etc at all, that arises. And yes, this is much, much more effective and final than endlessly reflecting on each particular individual failing or particular incident in one's life after another.
What I'm saying, though, is that before one attains that deep level of stillness there are less deep levels which are still basically very effective. chocolate has been talking of "possession", though perhaps (because I take it English isn't her first language) I suspect she also means less extreme influence or control by beings or personalities other than our own. Certainly, stillness is the best antidote, and the only full antidote, for all such interference. These days it's considered normal to let in every passing urge to feel fear, or anger, or desire, and so on. But the truth is, fear and anger and hurt and so on and on are continually prowling around outside us. The "normal" person lets them in instantly, without even realizing they're coming from outside. They have a free admission pass. The "normal" person reacts to so much, so often. Each time they do, a little demonculus of negativity takes over their body and their consciousness for a fleeting moment at least. At that moment of reflex-like reaction, the person identifies totally with the demonculus. They literally then are the anger, or whatever.
The point is, though, that through cultivating such things as silent meditation, or not-thinking, or feeling the aliveness, or awareness of the stillness, or presence, we begin to see all those negative would-be feelings of ours actually prowling around. We can learn to let fewer and fewer of them in, less and less often.
To me this is one of the most important things that true spirituality involves. The more fully we can hold that dual consciousness (of stillness and of the rest of reality), where we strongly feel the stillness burning brightly, or peacefully, and at the same time we can discern some negative feeling or impulse or an identity, the more fully we can burn the latter away, never to return -- not in quite that form, anyway. To me this is the (main) ultimate point of practicing meditation at all. It's such a huge gate to freedom.
There are some things that I had to work out for myself, where it took decades before I found and understood what worked, exactly. If someone had told me about this stuff thirty or fifty years ago, I feel that would have saved me years. So I hope this post helps someone else now. The stillness does come, after a while, through meditation and other similar practices.
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26th March 2014 13:28
Link to Post #1564
Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs
Thank you, TraineeHuman, that is exactly the way I have felt it, too.
And by saying that I have learnt to figure things out for myself, I have managed to do so in the way you have described above. Not that I knew several years ago the exact terms and words for that state to be able to describe it, but I know the act of being at this state of, let me call it "quietness" for myself, and the feeling while at it. That is also one of the reasons I seek quiet environment constantly.
My life has been not very ordinary, and also not very easy, and the only way for me to make it (alive) thus far, however perfect or not at present my life could seem, is through relying on my own inner or intuitive knowing. Society and family can suppress and had suppressed my intuitive voice for a very long time, but whenever I needed it, it came and gave me a hand (or two).
I used "possessions" because of the way it was discussed elsewhere, it is an exact copy-paste from a thread.
And language is just totally exhausting my powers, to be honest.
In order for me to write here, I need to invest a lot of energy and concentration, to manage to come across semi-normal, sane or appropriate.
I hope EVERYONE comes here to read your last post.
EDITED TO ADD:
I just came back here to ask a simple question. It came to me yesterday after I fell to sleep in the afternoon. But I didn't know how to express it until your last post.
For some time I know of a person who has been (involuntarily I hope) influencing the way I feel. It is both physical and also reflects on my state of 'mind'. I have never met this person, but I am aware that such indirect influence is possible and happens more often than people realize.
Does this mean I need to be in a state of constant "stillness" or "quietness", or how do I achieve a detachment, for it is an unpleasant feeling that I experience? Is there a way to limit this influence completely?
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26th March 2014 13:49
Link to Post #1565