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    Default The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    I'm starting this thread in response to the following PM from a member:

    Quote Hi there,
    i just read your first post in 'adventures beyond the body'. i was wondering if you could give me some insight as to how to start OBE. i believe i have the natural organic talent just dormant and waiting to be explored. you said yuo started doing it at 26. do you have any advice on making it happen? or perhaps getting out of the "fog" of meditiation. i feel like i just sit there and would rather just get outta dodge and take the next step to my HS.

    i appreciate anything you can muster up
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    Hi Teradactyl,

    Firstly, let me say I consider it’s very wise of you to have a thirst to learn real detachment from the physical world, which is after all a kind of sewer anyway, in some ways, and not our natural environment. Also, I happen to know that true detachment is the real essence of spirituality, and unfortunately most people into spirituality or self-development don’t “get” that, not at all. (Even though, e.g., Eckhart Tolle makes the point repeatedly.)

    I. OBEs: WHAT ARE THEY?

    Jake was spot on the bulls-eye in the post where he said that OBEs – or, as I would prefer to put it, true detachment – is central to the whole subject of spirituality. Let me quickly add, though, that the truest, highest, most real spirituality is practical. But before you make it practical, you do need to have reached the mountaintop.

    You’ll have to forgive me for not getting into the practical nitty-gritty of you learning to go OB more efficiently until my second post, which will come within the next day. Before going further, I’d like to pause and give you a rough definition of what I understand OBE or OB travel to be.

    In all my experience, OBEs have many similarities to (true) meditation, but with two differences. I guess it’s easier just to describe what the differences are.

    The first difference is that in true meditation you keep letting go of everything. In particular, you keep letting go of – or “turn down the volume switch for” -- every symbol or picture or thought that comes up. What you are doing during this letting go is not really becoming “nothing”. No, it's more intense: you’re merging more and more fully and intensely with the entire multiverse.

    At a certain stage in meditation you become able to see more and more pictures and symbols, and re-see past memories. Often, if not usually, it takes years of full-on meditation practice to get this far – the “seeing pictures” stage. If you stop to look at and explore any of the pictures, that’s the same as what an OBE is, in my understanding. If you keep letting go of those pictures, you stay in meditation, and you’ll only catch glimpses of them, most of the time. You won’t see them, but somehow you’ll still catch their essence, their meaning.

    Then beyond all pictures there are all identities or all points of view to keep letting go of, and so on.

    The second difference is that all meditation is really just a way of looking deeply at who you really are (and the real “I” is the multiverse, or “God’, if you like). OBEs aren’t just confined to exploring yourself. OBEs, as I understand it, can go or look either "within" or "without" you. Ultimately, though, since the real you is the multiverse anyway, the final destination is the same.

    Let me emphasize again that it often takes years of full-on meditation practice before a person even begins to see any “pictures”. Also, that there are stages beyond the “pictures” stage. The reason why you can’t initially see the “pictures” is because your conditioning is so heavy it keeps you in the dark. I think (dare I say I know?) that’s the “fog” you keep seeing in meditation, Teradactyl. A few years ago there was a lady on either PC or PA who was brilliant at seeing the “pictures”. As best I remember, she wrote about how she clearly saw how [sic] “greys” were abducting people’s [sic] “souls”, while alive or dead, and hypnotizing them with a barrage of pictures. I tried to point out to her that those “souls” were not souls at all but only personalities, and at death you separate from your personality much as you do from your body. I also explained as diplomatically as I could to the lady that the next higher stage beyond seeing the “pictures” is one where one goes “flying”. Actually that’s only the beginning of the next higher stage. But the lady cottoned on to this straight away, and I was overjoyed to hear of the (bigger) personal breakthroughs she was getting now she had moved on to “flying”. (Incidentally, the main Western (Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Egyptian) form of meditation is that of contemplation. Contemplation won’t get you beyond the “pictures” stage.)
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    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    Thank you for starting this thread TraineeHuman - I look forward to reading your next post.
    I'm wondering - when we 'fly' in a lucid dream.. could that be an actual OOBE?

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    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    Great question Caren...one I'd like to know as well. I have recently been in dreams, dreams I don't like and force myself to fly...others I just fly. So then what's the next stage?

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    As I explained in my previous post, OBEs don’t necessarily require any higher kind of “body” – such as an astral (i.e., 4D) body for you to travel in (or dare I say be in?) The traditional methods for getting out of your 3D body into a 4D astral body are quite tough. I would fail more often than not when I initially tried to learn them. Jake’s free ebook, The Book of Jacob, is available on this Forum. I haven’t read all of it, but what I have read is accurate. Jake describes the traditional methods, i.e. for learning to travel in 4D in your astral (4D) body.

    I guess I used to astral travel (in 4D and also in higher Ds) lots of times as a kid, but didn’t realise I was doing it. At 24 I started teaching meditation full-time for two plus years, and in retrospect I sometimes astral traveled at a higher level (i.e., without traveling in some kind of “body”) without realizing I was doing so. But throughout my life I’ve found that astral travel experiences happen spontaneously for a week or two after any meditation retreat or, say, an entire weekend spent meditating intensively. So that’s one short cut I know of: intensive meditation, all day long. Or for days.

    The only difference at 26 was that a few months before I had met an elderly man who wanted to mentor me in spirituality. Unfortunately he died within weeks of my meeting him. Then one night I woke up a few miles above the earth’s surface. In the first minute of that dream turning lucid I was still yelling out “Help!” to him and I caught a glimpse of him for a split second. He then disappeared and left me to my own devices. After that, I seemed to astral travel in 4D most nights. Usually I wouldn’t wake up until I was already OB. But from that point on I could control where I went, including return into my 3D body.

    Then at 28 I joined a “psychic circle” for about 12 months. This was run by a lady who was in her eighties and had a beard. When she had been younger she had been President of the New South Wales psychics’ association for many years (New South Wales being the most populous state in Australia, with about a third of Australia’s population), in recognition of her outstanding talent. Some believed she had now gone senile, but I suspect she hadn’t. Each week she would take the entire group astral traveling in 4D. So: based on my experience, the best shortcut may be to get a teacher who really can easily get a raw beginner astral traveling even on their first attempt. I do need to caution, though, that it seems to me that most so-called professional psychics out there aren’t the genuine article. There are probably many who claim to be able to take you astral traveling, but can’t really. If they can’t do it to your full satisfaction in the first lesson, I strongly suggest you go elsewhere. There are many people out there who can teach you by throwing you in at the deep end, so to speak – and don’t worry, you won’t drown. You should be able to feel it for yourself. It feels like you are floating or flying. To answer Caren’s question, the type of “flying” I was talking about in my previous post was flying in pure formlessness, or half in it, rather than in the 4D world, which is full of forms and in which you can see everything in the 3D world as well.

    I’ll make another post within half a day. My apologies, but I work full-time and am also in the middle of moving house this weekend. I'll try to answer anybody's questions. But there's also Jake's free book.

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    Thank you TraineeHuman for this interesting post - very helpful as well. Most of my OOBE's have been spontaneous. I think (if I understand you correctly) I have flown in pure formlessness.
    I don't actually know a whole lot about this subject as compared to Jake, Nancy and other members here but want to learn and am very grateful to those who share their own experiences and knowledge.
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    Hello,

    Thanks for starting this thread... as most of you know...but for the members who are not aware...recently there are 2 threads about the OBE--one of them is closed and other one is still active...and will remain active as I know...

    the latest one is by by SirDipSwitch and its called " Secrets of Soul" , name based on william buhlman's 2 books... here is the link

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...et-Of-The-Soul

    Before that.. "Another Bob" started a thread called " Adventures Beyond the Body" , it is closed now but it contained within it an valuable information for anyone attempting OBE, here is the link for that:

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...eyond-the-Body

    I highly recommend reading these threads...and reading others experiences going Astral...

    any more information regarding the subject in this thread is only going to benefit the readers like you and me.... so Thanks again for starting this.

    Much love to you all

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    Absolutely love your posts TraineeHuman - they are full of incredible information. Thank you so much for sharing and very much looking forward to your future insights.

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    Quote Posted by SlickWillie (here)
    Great question Caren...one I'd like to know as well. I have recently been in dreams, dreams I don't like and force myself to fly...others I just fly. So then what's the next stage?
    There are many stages and many worlds. I'll discuss different dimensions briefly in later posts. What's the point, though, of knowing what comes next unless you've got to that next stage? My apologies, but I'm saying that because if you're flying with effort or not finding it a joyful or cool experience to be flying, then I"d say you would have to be in the 4D world, and probably in the lower 4D world.

    I will give you one morsel now, though. As far as I can tell, one of the later stages happens when you feel like there is a tunnel of empty space -- a hole in your head -- from your third eye going forward, at least half the time whenever you meditate. Based on my experience, this occurs when you are disconnecting from the "great wheel" of having to reincarnate in the 3D world. It's a very long, gradual process.

    What's occurring there could be dramatically described as "losing your (sense of) individuality". In this Forum, Another Bob has made a huge number of interesting posts relating to this subject. So you might like to read some of them, even though some are very long. Actually, I would see it more as losing more and more of your false feelings/beliefs about who/what you are. That's the only thing you're losing. It's a transition into seeing your body and brain as being nothing more than vessels for the universal consciousness/mind.

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    Quote Posted by Caren (here)
    Thank you TraineeHuman for this interesting post - very helpful as well. Most of my OOBE's have been spontaneous. I think (if I understand you correctly) I have flown in pure formlessness.
    I don't actually know a whole lot about this subject but want to learn and am very grateful to those who share their own experiences and knowledge.
    Yes, folks. Please do read the other threads regarding OBEs.

    Let’s consider Caren’s question, about whether she’s flying through formlessness. The sensation of flying occurs in astral travel at many different levels – i.e. in many different dimensions, even in the fourth. If a person experiences a strong flying sensation and they don’t see any scenery, there may be many reasons why they can’t.

    My experience is that the formless dimensions and beyond are places where I always experience intense joy, and also a feeling of harmony and interconnectedness. It’s quite unmistakeable. Now that’s more like really being at home, where you feel safe from threats and everything is so much more positive.

    Everything I write in posts is based on my own direct experience.(Fortunately I’ve had communication with a variety of ETs and I’ve visited the divine worlds and had interactions with some divine beings, and so on. If you haven’t had the full experience and you try to talk about any subject like this based on your intellectual understanding, I’m sorry to say I invariably find that whatever you write will be riddled with errors – which you won’t even be aware of. ) So, let’s look at some of my experience. When at age 28 I was going to the psychic development classes, the lady in charge always managed to somehow get even any new member to “take off” and fly in the fourth dimension, just by kind of lifting them somehow. She would lead where the class traveled to. Initially she would go to an area in 4D that had lots of (pictures of) green grass and trees and flowers. I usually didn’t see that area, even though I tried to and all the other class members could see it. In retrospect, I’m sure the reason I usually couldn’t see it was that I just found it too boring.

    Once the group hadn’t had any new members for several months, that lady would take us to a place about midway in the fifth dimension. There I could see all the scenery and the people. It was a place where everybody wore a full-length white robe. I saw that there were more than a million people there. (I did a rough count.) Also, you could never look properly into anybody’s face – because to show you a face would be to show you an identity. It so happens that that practice seems to apply throughout the upper fifth and all higher dimensions. The (artificial) scenery wasn’t much at all, for my taste. It was very gently sloping hills all with perfectly manicured brightish green grass, and little else. OK, it was very peaceful, and everybody there was quite contented. I did visit that place on my own as well, and probed a little deeper. The inhabitants did have some quite noble projects to help the humans in the 3D world. They called themselves the Great White Brotherhood, but unfortunately that name has frequently been misused by misinformation peddlers in the 3D world.

    “Am I flying through one of the formless dimensions?” In my next post I’d like us to take a look at some reasons why the answer may not necessarily always be a clearcut Yes or No.
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    Just for the record, my intuition strongly suggested to me that Caren did indeed go flying in formless dimensions. But in the previous post I was trying to emphasize that just because one experiences a flying sensation, that in itself only means the person can be anywhere from 4D to the highest of the formless Ds.

    Next, in my observation at any given time roughly 90% of the population have their astral body or etheric body or 4D body (all the same thing) floating about 10 inches above their 3D body. In other words, the feet area of the 4D body is about 10 inches above the physical feet, and so on. So, most people are out of their body but don't know it -- at any given time. However, astral travel involves having more control of the astral body. This is one reason why grounding and earthing are so important. They bring the astral body back down to where it naturally should be. As a famous Zen master said: "When you walk, walk. When you stand, stand. But don't wobble."

    This is also a reason why I believe that learning to keep oneself grounded during the day will help a person to astral travel more easily.

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    I've only just had the chance to read most of the posts in the "Secret of the Soul" thread. Yes, I agree it's a good idea to tell yourself to "Go to the Higher Self". That's roughly the same thing as I'm referring to in saying that going OB is based on fully letting go, or full detachment.

    I do have a very different take, though, on the OB phenomenon than the traditional one. For that reason I'll continue with this thread, hopefully in a way that complements the other threads.

    I do have a very easy exercise which I suspect may help Teradactyl. It's an exercise I learnt to do when I was 25. I suspect it helped later on. The exercise is called The Christos Experiment. It was developed by a very experienced psychologist in Canberra, Australia in the early 70s. It's very easy to do, and yet it takes the participant on an astral (4D) journey into one of their past lifetimes. (However, I believe Dolores Cannon is right when she says that not all the past lifetimes we remember are our own. Others are ones which we have "borrowed" the complete memory of before we got born this time around.)

    I have conducted this exercise on at least 30 individuals. All but one of them -- to their amazement -- got at least a picture of what kind of clothes they wore or what kind of buildings were around in one of their past lives.

    1. First, get the person (or group) to lie comfortably on their back and relax, and close their eyes. (Or give yourself the instructions.) The eyes stay shut throughout.
    2. Get them to imagine that their hands and feet and neck are becoming soft and rubbery, like plasticine. Extend that to their full arms and legs.
    3. Get them to start gently wiggling their now-plasticine arms and legs and neck a little. Then, to stretch them out, so that they imagine their arms and legs are stretching out to beyond their normal length. Well beyond, and with twists they normally can't do.
    4. Tell them to imagine they are now standing in front of their front door. Get them to keep looking at it carefully in their mind's eye, until they (imagine they) have noticed several little faults or details that they had never noticed about their front door before.
    5. Tell them to go up, to a point three metres above their home. Ask them to look around at their own and their neighbours' homes, and to note at least three significant features or objects there that they had never noticed before.
    6. Tell them to now (imagine they are) gradually, very slowly, rising upwards, to a point about half a mile above their home, and to pause and take in the view.
    7. Tell them to slowly keep rising until the air around them starts to get dark, then to keep going on further still, until it seems completely dark.
    8. Tell them to slowly float down to the ground, and, eyes still closed, to immediately look at what sorts of shoes they are wearing. (You'll hear expressions of shock and disbelief at this point.) Eyes still closed, get them to note what kinds of buildings are around, and generally what sorts of things are going on around them in the scene they see in their mind.
    9. Tell them to slowly open their eyes, at their own pace when they feel ready.

    Folks, and Teradactyl, this exercise is sooo easy to do. But as you can read in Jake's posts in the "Secret of the Soul" thread, the traditional method for learning astral travel involves so much hard work, and hit and miss, and -- well, what seems like performance anxiety.

    UPDATE: Please also take note of the contents of post #461!
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    absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. I think this is where the real power is, leaving your body at night and traveling anywhere you want and remembering the next day. You'll need total darkness, total quiet, and be very relaxed but , focused on your intent. From a place of pure love with no concern at all for the world around you, saying to yourself when my body goes to sleep, my mind will stay awake, saying this over and over. this is how I do it . very light sheet over you , no heavy covers, palms down, breathing deep but not unatural, wait for the buzzing sound and your heart will beat faster don't be afraid it's just your vibration excellerating. I don't have all the answers , each person is on their own journey, I just want to help, freedom is around the corner when one acheives OBE, in a way you make yourself dead and alive again. A body can't live without a spirit, but a spirit can live without a body.
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    @TraineeHuman -- really good experiment and I will surely try this...

    Other than this... I think the intent to go out of body is absolute necessary - like in any other work here... if you are only half hearted in trying to do that... you will only experience as much...
    so every night or day... whenever you practice... believe-- actually not believe.. but know you can do it 100%... then you should be able to do...

    There are many other external things which might help you go astral... but whats natural.. and whats really you... is absolute beautiful experience...
    concentrate and know you can and you shall...

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    Beautifully said... I can't agree more

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    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. I think this is where the real power is, leaving your body at night and traveling anywhere you want and remembering the next day. You'll need total darkness, total quiet, and be very relaxed but , focused on your intent. From a place of pure love with no concern at all for the world around you, saying to yourself when my body goes to sleep, my mind will stay awake, saying this over and over. this is how I do it . very light sheet over you , no heavy covers, palms down, breathing deep but not unatural, wait for the buzzing sound and your heart will beat faster don't be afraid it's just your vibration excellerating. I don't have all the answers , each person is on their own journey, I just want to help, freedom is around the corner when one acheives OBE, in a way you make yourself dead and alive again. A body can't live without a spirit, but a spirit can live without a body.
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    Quote Posted by Shamz (here)
    I think the intent to go out of body is absolute necessary - like in any other work here... if you are only half hearted in trying to do that... you will only experience as much...
    so every night or day... whenever you practice... believe-- actually not believe.. but know you can do it 100%... then you should be able to do...

    There are many other external things which might help you go astral... but whats natural.. and whats really you... is absolute beautiful experience...
    concentrate and know you can and you shall...
    I guess this is a good point at which to describe the traditional method for astral travelling -- with apologies for no doubt repeating material most of which has already appeared elsewhere. Here goes:

    Lie flat on your back, with your palms by your side and facing the ceiling (because that's the most relaxed position for your arms). Your body should be aligned with the north-south direction (it doesn't seem to matter if it's south-north or north-south).Relax deeply. Traditionally this is done by silently repeating a mantra to yourself over and over. Almost any mantra will do, but if you like you can use "Aumm".

    Focus quite strongly on the OB phenomenon. But don't try to use your will to kind of force it, as Shamz has suggested. (Sorry, Shamz. But "knowing you can do it 100%" doesn't necessarily work, because maybe you won't quite master it on the first attempt. Also, force is a form of ego, and here we need to totally let go, which you can't do if you use any ego.) The trick is to relax very deeply but not fall asleep. It may take a few attempts before you learn how to not fall asleep!

    What you are waiting for is a vibration in the air. I know I always seem to hear it, but if you don't hear it you'll certainly feel it. It's a kind of electric buzz that comes through the air. Don't be frightened. Actually, what it is is your 4D self -- or, if you like, the 4D part of your Higher Self; or, if you like, it's the incarnation into 4D of your HS. It will come toward you, and will recharge your physical body. Totally surrender to its vibration. This 4D part of your Higher Self is almost identical to you, the only exception being that it will have some of the negative things about you missing or toned down. (People who like to ponder multiple timelines could have a field day with this. Multiple "you"s, one a 3D version and one a 4D version but the same person? And you, in your body, are almost the same as that buzzing field? But ... on with the exercise.)

    You should now see a bright orange ring. If you stay surrendered and relaxed, you'll notice yourself floating through it. Then you'll probably see a pale blue ring, and similarly you'll go through it.

    Once you're through there, welcome to the 4D world, friend. It's a world with no gravity. Also, whatever or wherever or whoever you put your attention on, there you will fly in the twinkling of an eye.
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    Wow, sorry to barge in here, I am more of a reader, and I don't post much, but I remember a few months ago having an unintentional OBE and I can remember seeing my body lying in my bed. Naturally, it scared the wits out of me and I was instantly back inside my body, but couldn't move. Every now and then, I get back into the sleep paralysis state again, but I have trouble moving on, I am not sure why. If any of you guys could help me, I would really appreciate it, just the thought of it exhilarates me!
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    Quote Posted by gdelisle (here)
    I don't post much, but I remember a few months ago having an unintentional OBE and I can remember seeing my body lying in my bed. Naturally, it scared the wits out of me and I was instantly back inside my body, but couldn't move. Every now and then, I get back into the sleep paralysis state again, but I have trouble moving on, I am not sure why. If any of you guys could help me, I would really appreciate it, just the thought of it exhilarates me!
    The body paralysis happens when you try to rush back into your 3D body so fast that your mind and consciousness haven't had time to switch gears back from 4D to 3D, so to speak. It's absolutely nothing to fear. It's something quite natural. Just bear it, and it goes away after a minute or two. It only happens to beginners, and only sometimes. You are perfectly safe, and are not being psychically attacked when it happens.

    However, as I mentioned in a previous thread, you should always psychically protect yourself before venturing into new territory -- or even anywhere you go in the 3D world. I set up some elaborate protection every night before I go to sleep anyway. I set up protective energy around each cell of my body not just in 3D bit in higher Ds. But really, if in your head you just call on your guardian angels to be with you and protect you throughout the night, they'll do it with a vengeance, even if you can't see them or hear them or whatever.

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    I’d now like to make several posts that begin to look at different dimensions (in response to a request from Teradactyl several days ago), and how that relates to OB, and also to the Higher Self. Also to explain more about why, based on my own experience, it seems to make sense to consider OBEs, meditation, clairvoyance, dreams, and various other phenomena as being simply variations of something that is ultimately the one same thing.

    When a person dies, they initially go into the fourth dimension. At the time of death “the lights go out”, in the sense that their sight and hearing stops working. Most people seem to then switch their vision (and hearing) back on very quickly, within minutes, but it is now 360 degree vision and it’s the 4D variety of vision. Some people do report total darkness for a while – but they haven’t turned on the lights yet, so to speak.

    I guess the attraction of astral travel in 4D is that it comes with that 4D sight turned on, plus a great mobility, i.e. the ability to fly to anywhere you like in a split second. And being able to do that before physical death.

    I’d like to point out, though, that much of what we call “sensation” gets carried over from 3D into 4D when a person dies or astral travels. The sensation of heat or cold, of pressure, and so on. It so happens, therefore, that through sensation we already experience, or vaguely experience, quite a lot of what is going on in the 4D world.

    In particular, we often experience “energy” rather than “mass” or “matter”. I’m certainly not the first person to suggest that wherever you have energy rather than matter you’re dealing with a 4D rather than a 3D phenomenon. Closely related to all this is the fact that your 4D body is an energy body. Disciplines such as acupuncture and kinesiology and therapeutic massage and parts of Chinese medicine all work primarily on the energy body. Similarly, physical forms of meditation such as qi gong and tai chi and hatha yoga are all about getting the energy of your energy body to flow through your 3D body more, and to harmonise more with it, and even heal it a little. Sexual energy, again, is primarily an energy, and therefore mostly belongs (or should belong, if rightly used) to the 4D world or higher.

    Let me also mention here what happens when I meditate each day. I usually manage to keep moving to a higher and higher D, for however brief a moment. The way it works is, each dimension is more positive, more blissful and loving and deeply peaceful and less polarised, than the one below it. So, in a way I go to some higher Ds as a kind of tourist, which is kind of almost the same motivation why people initially want to go astral traveling. What I take away from my 15 minutes or so of intensive meditation each morning is the experience of some profound positivity, plus a reminder to myself that this is the realest reality, and it’s natural and even ordinary. People around me are then amazed and scratch their heads at why I seem to love the job I do so much (which I don't really -- I just love existence itself), and also why I genuinely smile a lot and I’m constantly “in a good mood”. This type of thing, to me, is the ultimate reason why everybody should learn how to OB travel and then to travel to higher Ds. It’s what we were meant to do. I have some memories of how 40,000 years ago and more, everybody used to do this. “Ordinary”, humdrum life was blissful then, for everybody. Heck, meditation hadn’t even been invented back then, because there was absolutely no need for it.

    I’m finding it gratifying to hear how many members seem to have had at least one or two profound OB experiences somewhere along the line. The reason for this thread (with the other threads as well) is to hopefully help encourage you all to go further, and claim your birthright.
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    Before I say more about dimensions and the Higher Self, it’s probably appropriate to pause to mention a few things to do that make a person better prepared for successful OB travel.

    The first one sounds like a great deal of hard work but believe me, it’s easier than it sounds. What I’m referring to is the practice of continual self-observation, i.e., no-stop watching yourself, throughout your waking hours. As I understand it the leading figures of many major spiritual traditions emphasized the importance of this practice. But because most members come from a country with a Christian culture, I’ll mention one of the parables of Jesus.

    The parable I’m referring to is that of The Nightwatchman. The story is simply as follows. A nightwatchman (i.e. a security guard) is hired to protect the premises where a wedding reception will be occurring. He is hired to work from dawn until the time of the reception. Just after midnight he falls asleep at his post. But a few minutes later, the wedding party and the guests arrive. He is scolded for not being awake.

    If you think about it, an eighteen hour shift would be enough to make anybody sleepy. The point the story is stressing is that one has to be awake and alert at all times. I won’t try to explain here why I know that “staying awake” in this story is a metaphor for what we all need to do if we really want to evolve spiritually. And that is, to watch ourselves every moment.

    It’s not really a matter of being self-absorbed. Rather, everything we know about the universe is contained inside our consciousness. So, the thing we should be doing is just generally being alert, aware. I think Baden-Powell understood this parable.

    If you make it your habit to be continually watching out to see whatever may be there, when you go astral traveling you’re likely to see the scenery more easily, because you’re coming to it with your “eyes’ wide open, so to speak.

    Another tip is that if you are a beginner you shouldn’t eat for three hours beforehand. To the best of my knowledge it also helps to stay clear of the vices, especially drugs (including marijuana and cocaine), and to be vegetarian.

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    Here are some children's drawings and descriptions of OBEs: http://www.shaktitechnology.com/Visions.htm

    This from an 8-year old girl:

    Quote When you're in your bed,
    Pretend you're on a roller coaster.
    And try to move, but don't really move.
    Eventually, you'll start to get faster and faster.
    And you'll actually feel like you're shaking.

    At some point, you'll just pop out of your body.

    Another way is to pretend you're the wind, but don't move at all. Then pretend you're a storm. Then, you're out of your body.

    You know you're really out of your body if you can turn around and see yourself.

    If you have a desk in your room, you'll actually see it.

    You can feel it when you are waking up, and then you just go back into your body.

    Try to think of a place, like a movie theater, and you'll just be there.
    You can watch any movie.

    Do not go with any person who is having an out of body, too. Because you can end up at their house when you don't want to.

    How to go someplace when you're out of your body.

    If you know someone, and you want to go see them, remember their face when you're out of your body, and you'll go to them. Or, if you want to go to a place, remember how the place looks, and you'll be there. Or if you want to go to a planet, just remember what it looks like.

    If you want to go to "The Land of OZ", like in the movie, just remember it. You could even go to heaven. How you go to heaven, is to think of what you think it looks like. If you want to go to hell, just remember what you think it's like.

    If you want to go to a black space, just think of it. Just think of a black space.
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    hi traineehuman, thank you for making this a post. i love the other two threads, and have read them, AND just finished both buhlman books this weekend.

    i wanted to tell you that on friday night, i felt the vibrations. i think i got nervous, or excited and it ended very fast, but i know what i felt. i'd recognize it again.

    i have a few random questions...which relates to your most recent post here; does the physical body still get the rest it needs? does our consciousness need rest?

    is there anything 'wrong' with doing OBE right at the bedtime (say 10pm), or better to start middle of the night(12am-5am) if waking in the night?

    are OBE's possible in close sleeping scenarios? (next to fiance etc)?

    how do you deal with nervousness of nonphysical beings in your space immediately after going astral? (i admit i am very nervous about this so i didnt attempt sat or sun night at all).

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    Quote Posted by teradactyl (here)
    i wanted to tell you that on friday night, i felt the vibrations. i think i got nervous, or excited and it ended very fast, but i know what i felt. i'd recognize it again.

    i have a few random questions...which relates to your most recent post here; does the physical body still get the rest it needs? does our consciousness need rest?

    is there anything 'wrong' with doing OBE right at the bedtime (say 10pm), or better to start middle of the night(12am-5am) if waking in the night?

    are OBE's possible in close sleeping scenarios? (next to fiance etc)?

    how do you deal with nervousness of nonphysical beings in your space immediately after going astral? (i admit i am very nervous about this so i didnt attempt sat or sun night at all).

    thanks!!
    Hi again Teradactyl,

    It’s perfectly normal to initially feel nervous or unsure when you first start experiencing the vibrations. Those vibrations seem so much like some other conscious being or some intelligent energy field that’s visiting – but not part of you at all. You just need to keep practicing so that you get used to the idea that that funny whirligig energy is you (or, if you like, a slightly better version of you) after all, and absolutely loves you and is 100% on your side.

    If for some reason or other I haven’t had adequate sleep during the night, I lie down and stay fully relaxed and usually the vibrating whirligig comes and refreshes my body with energy in just a few minutes – like recharging a battery. If I manage to stay awake until it comes, I then don’t need any more rest, because that recharge seems to be the equivalent of what I would get from taking a nap for about two hours. Often I’ll let it do the recharge and then I won’t go off with it into 4D – but that’s because I prefer to go straight into higher dimensions than the fourth. Eventually (soon?) I’m sure you too can learn to travel in the higher Ds. Most people need to learn to handle 4D first. That’s a shame, because everything’s a lot smoother when you’re traveling in a higher D than 4.

    And the vibrating always comes if you relax. The only reason we don’t always notice it is we’ve often fallen asleep just before.

    Rest assured, there is no point whatever to your concerns about needing extra rest because you’re busy traveling around in 4D at night. First of all, if you’re awake when the vibrating comes you get an extra recharge of your physical body than what would happen otherwise. Secondly, absolutely everybody normally goes OB traveling for a total of at least several hours every night, except they do it with less consciousness. This is known as dreaming, or REM sleep.

    And no, consciousness doesn’t need to rest. Never, from now till “the end of time”, and beyond time as well.

    It doesn’t matter what time of night you go astral traveling. However, if you eat under 3 hours before bedtime you’ll have bumpy ride – you’ll go to some unpleasant 4D places -- whether you just dream the “normal” way or whether you astral travel.

    As far as sleeping with a partner goes, it would certainly be a good idea to sleep on your own when you are starting out in astral travel. If your body’s in physical contact with somebody else’s, you may have to kind of carry their energies with you when you travel.

    “How to deal with nervousness of nonphysical beings in your space immediately after going astral”? Hmm, once you go astral, what you get is whatever you’re putting your attention on. If you’re encountering nervous beings (or maybe your own nervous emotion-thought forms), that’s because you’re putting lots of attention on nervousness. One thing you can do is try to hug them, or send them some positive light or positive energy. They should then go pop! and disappear – unless you persist in generating more nervous energy. Maybe you should start small and at first only astral travel to the ceiling and back. I did say astral travel is very similar to meditation, and that in meditation you let go of everything. Surprisingly, what’s left isn’t nothing, but it’s your Higher Self. Let go of your fear. Or just kind of surrender to it and let it do its worst for once. If its going to kill you, let it kill you now. But it won’t, and then you'll be done with it.
    Last edited by TraineeHuman; 11th June 2017 at 01:09.

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