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    Default What Really Happened at Sandy Hook??

    Mod note from Bill, 15 March 2019:

    When going through this thread, I saw that several important videos have been removed from YouTube for 'bullying and harassment'. (OMG.)

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    From Newtown Massacre…the MAJOR DISCREPANCIES LIST (VeteransToday.com), comes this rather unsettling list of discrepancies in the Sandy Hook school shooting case:
    1. As yet, we have not seen any concrete evidence that any child died.
    2. As yet, parents have not been allowed to see their children. (Photoshopped pictures do not count.)
    3. As of now, I have seen only one unambiguous statement from a grieving parent (Robbie
      Parker).
    4. According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother’s ID, and it was not stolen. However, older brother Ryan–who officials say is very cooperative–claims not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID? And why does such use not qualify as a theft?
    5. According to the official story, Adam Lanza was wearing a black outfit with a mask and bulletproof vest. Why would he want to hide his identity, and why would he wear a bulletproof vest, if he planned to kill himself?
    6. The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with .223 (rifle) casings. But Adam Lanza was found dead in the school with only handguns–a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. But then he could not possibly have been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the murders. Who did?
    7. According to the official story, the killing was tightly confined to two classrooms. But then why were so many children told to close their eyes while leaving the building?
    8. Joanne Didonato, the principal’s secretary, called in sick on Friday–something she rarely does. So presumably, she must have been awfully ill. Yet she then felt well enough to give an interview. “Of all days,” she said, emphasizing the strange coincidence.
    9. The hospital went into lockdown and cleared four trauma rooms, but received only three patients, two of them dead children(according to the official story) and one mildly wounded adult.
    10. Why were there such persistent reports that Mrs. Lanza was a kindergarten teacher, and that she died at the school, when the new official story is that she was not connected to the school and was killed at home?
    11. What happened to the report that Adam Lanza’s girlfriend and another friend were missing in New Jersey?
    12. What happened to the woodsman in a black jacket and camo pants who was arrested and handcuffed outside the school? He actually shouted to parents, “It wasn’t me.” Who was he and what was he doing there?
    13. What happened to the dark van or SUV that the police surrounded in the parking lot, or the maroon sedan with a blown-out back window they were on the lookout for?
    14. The official story is that Nancy Lanza was a gun collector who obeyed the law. But since 20-year-olds are not permitted to buy guns or ammo or carry guns in Connecticut, why would she give her “autistic” son access to both guns and ammo?
    15. Why were parents told on Friday that “if you haven’t been reunited with your child by now it’s already over”? Does anyone imagine that real parents of real children would simply say, “Okay, the show’s over, let’s go home now”?
    16. Would real parents of real children really be satisfied with (possibly photoshopped) pictures of their children? Wouldn’t they demand to see their children one last time firsthand?17) According to the official story, 28 people died but only 1 was wounded. The dead included 20 small, squirmy children–difficult targets even for professionals. How could Adam Lanza achieve such amazingly deadly accuracy, in such a short length of time?
    17. A child asserts that he/she heard someone say, “Put your hands up,” followed by the reply, “Don’t shoot.” This indicates that the police took a suspect into custody inside the school. But if that was Adam Lanza, how did he kill himself after that point?
    18. Another child asserts that he/she saw a man pinned down to the ground with handcuffs on. Again, this indicates that the police took a into custody. If that was Adam Lanza, how did he then kill himself?
    19. When Ryan Lanza was falsely identified as the shooter, who deleted his Facebook profile and created many others in his name?
    20. Is it reasonable for a geeky 20-year-old to carry two pistols and hundreds of rounds of ammunition while wearing a bulletproof vest and a mask?
    21. Why did the police say on Friday that they were going to leave the bodies rotting in the school until Sunday, then Saturday morning announce that they had spirited the bodies away in the middle of the night? Perhaps to ensure that the transport, if any, would go unrecorded on photos or video?
    22. Why won’t police tell us where they found the Henry repeating rifle, the Enfield rifle, and the shotgun?
    23. Did the school have one or more security cameras? What do they show?
    24. Why did a police officer specifically mention, on radio, that “they’re coming at me through this wood,” followed by a fellow officer saying, “This is it”?
    25. One officer in the school said, “We’ve got one suspect down.” Who was that? Down in this situation generally means in custody(on the ground and cuffed), not dead.
    26. Why didn’t Adam’s uncle see anything out of the ordinary in Adam when the two saw each other in June?
    27. Why is Adam Lanza reported to be a loner when a teenager said (oxymoronically), “[Lanza and his friends] always gathered alone in a corner in school”?
    28. Why did police assign an individual state trooper to every grieving family, whether the family wants such “protection” or not?
    29. Why are Ryan Lanza and his roommates still in custody, and why are the police pretending that it’s for their own benefit?
    30. Is it a coincidence that Nancy Lanza’s brother is Kingston Police Officer James Champion, who lives next door to the former Lanza home?
    31. Since the alleged shooter’s father is VP of GE Capital, and (like “Batman shooter” James Holmes’s father) was scheduled to testify at the Senate Hearings on the LIBOR scandal, is there a LIBOR connection to this event?
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    Default Re: What Really Happened at Sandy Hook??

    In a related article, mentioned by the above article, Riddle me this: Adam Lanza, 'computer genius,' left no online footprint (legitgov):
    According to numerous media reports and witnesses, alleged Newtown, Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza was a 'genius' with computers. And yet, we are told that Lanza apparently left no online footprint. The question must be asked: Was the electronic history of Adam Lanza scrubbed?

    Many articles, including witnesses' accounts, have described Adam Lanza's advanced skills with computers, a skill-level common with Asperger's sufferers. Indeed, many computer hackers have Asperger's syndrone -- Adrian Lamo, Ryan Cleary, and Gary McKinnon, for example. And yet, Adam Lanza 'left no online footprint?'

    According to a New York Daily News article (15 Dec 2012), "[Adam] Lanza, who friends and officials said suffered from Asperger's syndrome or a personality disorder, had a tortured mind. He was socially awkward and at times unstable, but also extraordinarily bright. 'He was smart,' the insider said. 'He was like one of these real brainiac computer kind of kids.'"

    A Honolulu Star Advertiser/New York Times (15 Dec 2012) article, 'Gunman left few hints about his life or motives,' noted the alleged shooter's lack of electronic footprints. "In his brief adulthood [Adam] Lanza had left few footprints, electronic or otherwise. He apparently had no Facebook page, unlike his older brother, Ryan... Lanza did belong to a technology club at school that held 'LAN parties' -- short for local area network -- in which students would gather at a member's home, hook up their computers into a small network and play games, The Associated Press reported."

    Even 'original' school shooting suspect Ryan Lanza, Adam's brother, had his computers and phone records searched by law enforcement. "Ryan Lanza had been cooperative and was not under arrest or in custody, but investigators were still searching his computers and phone records." This news was reported in an MSN item (15 Dec 2012), 'Conn. gunman recalled as intelligent but remote.'

    The MSN article includes a statement by one of Adam Lanza's classmates, Joshua Milas. "Adam Lanza attended Newtown High School, and news clippings from recent years show him on the honor roll. Joshua Milas, a classmate who was in the technology club with Lanza, said that he was generally a happy person but that he hadn't seen him in a few years. 'We would hang out, and he was a good kid. He was smart,' said Milas, who graduated in 2009. 'He was probably one of the smartest kids I know. He was probably a genius.'" The article also notes Adam's attendance at the LAN parties.

    Anyone with enough computer knowledge to attend and participate in LAN parties would likely have an online footprint. Where's Adam Lanza's?

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    As much as I agree that there are things about this that don't add up, I find this totally disrespectful of the grieving parents. A simple Google will show hundreds of links for the funerals held yesterday. Here's one, for instance. http://www.vosizneias.com/119625/201...ewish-victims/

    Plus, Investigators are searching smashed computers for clues to a motive behind the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.
    http://www.waff.com/story/20361117/f...ooting-victims

    Most interesting is that there are 2 people recovering from their wounds, eye-witnesses, and it will be quite revealing to hear what they have to say, if we are ever privy to that information.
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    looking for truth is never disrespectful

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    Paul, he smashed his computer into bits, so yes, he did leave an online footprint, but it will take great skill to retrieve anything from the bits and pieces. Would it not be more useful for the journalist to ask investigators if they are calling on the best expertise in the country to retrieve information from the remains of the computer rather than create a conspiracy around misinformation?

    Most of the items in the list of 31 can be dealt with in the same way (e.g., yes there are bodies that have been viewed in the morgue and in coffin at funeral - many people do not want to see dead bodies and would rather prefer to remember the person alive so probably not all bodies have been viewed by parents; the offical story is that one rifle was found in the car, one next to Adam's body, a gun in his pocket and another gun beside him; the corridor and classrooms where the killings took place are located by the entrance to the school so if the children were led out through that entrance they would have passed those classrooms, and the bodies of the two adults who were killed first; item number 31 is a myth that has been repeated with no basis in fact ...).

    I'm not trying to be a shill, or whatever, but I think it is worth considering these articles with rational reason and questioning the source of these 'facts'.

    Perhaps the key as to what Adam did what he did is in his smashed-up computer. Was he talked into and coached into doing what he did by someone he was in contact with electronically? But why make a big noise and question what is being done by whom to recover this information (and maybe get the truth) when you can instantly make up a story about an official claim about no footprint (is there an offical claim that there was no computer found anywhere other)? Or are we now going to say that the computer does not exist? Or that the offical story is that it is smashed up is a lie because they want to hide what is on the computer (I doubt that those traumatised people actually retrieved and analysed information from a computer that quickly).
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    Quote Posted by Hermite (here)
    As much as I agree that there are things about this that don't add up, I find this totally disrespectful of the grieving parents. A simple Google will show hundreds of links for the funerals held yesterday. Here's one, for instance. http://www.vosizneias.com/119625/201...ewish-victims/
    If I or someone I love gets taken out in such a massacre, then I trust that the rest of the world won't stop looking closely at what happened out of "respect" for me.

    Something stinks, we don't know what, but given the history of such events, and given the chronic dishonesty of both our public officials and our news sources, it seems almost certain to me that what really happened is not what we're being told, and seems rather likely that what really happened is substantially more sinister than what we're being told.

    Thanks for that link - it even states that it was an open casket funeral, so the deceased child was visible. Both that funeral and the publication of the above list of discrepancies occurred on Dec 17, 2012. So perhaps the author of the discrepancy list didn't do an adequate job of research, or perhaps the funeral(s) became known after she wrote that item. I don't know.

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    There is a heavy stink coming off of the story in the OP and it is not from the OP or the reporter. I've had a few unpleasant possibilities/scenarios flash through my Aspie noggin, but I will lay low. The truth will out. If there has been one aspect of a 12/21/12 phenomenon observed by me, it has been a stripping away of obfuscation. Not as many as could are noticing, but bones are poking through everywhere. Pretty soon bits of marrow will show. Ignored by the majority, but one that may be shrinking. I will keep a bright outlook. It's good for my immune system if nothing else.

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    Quote Posted by sdv (here)
    but I think it is worth considering these articles with rational reason and questioning the source of these 'facts'.
    I suspect you're right that the authors of the items I posted in the first two posts might have overplayed their hands.

    My shoot from the hip guess would be that the real facts are more complex and sinister, that there is some overlap between the real facts and the doubts raised in those two posts, and that those two posts misfired on some of it.

    As to whether Adam really did or did not leave a footprint, we can't tell yet. I doubt that the people who would actually be investigating this would be too traumatized to retrieve and analyze what's available. It's not the children's families who would be doing that. But if the official story is that Adam's computer is too smashed up to recover much from, then I don't trust that official story ... that would be too convenient an outcome for continuing a cover-up, such as often happens in such high profile incidents.

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    Quote Posted by Hermite (here)
    As much as I agree that there are things about this that don't add up, I find this totally disrespectful of the grieving parents. A simple Google will show hundreds of links for the funerals held yesterday. Here's one, for instance. http://www.vosizneias.com/119625/201...ewish-victims/

    Plus, Investigators are searching smashed computers for clues to a motive behind the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.
    http://www.waff.com/story/20361117/f...ooting-victims

    Most interesting is that there are 2 people recovering from their wounds, eye-witnesses, and it will be quite revealing to hear what they have to say, if we are ever privy to that information.
    Yes, there have been funerals but:
    Quote 15) Why were parents told on Friday that “if you haven’t been reunited with your child by now it’s already over”? Does anyone imagine that real parents of real children would simply say, “Okay, the show’s over, let’s go home now”?
    16) Would real parents of real children really be satisfied with (possibly photoshopped) pictures of their children? Wouldn’t they demand to see their children one last time firsthand?
    So, are funerals being held without parents having seen the dead bodies of their children? Hmm.
    We may have funerals, but do we have dead children..............yet?
    Your sources are mainstream slop outlets. If you are getting your news from these sources you are part of the problem. You become part of the matrix and defend it. This is what the MSM news does. It sends signals and programming to those that are "softened up" by using it. It is hard to be a "casual" viewer of MSM. It is like being a casual taster of sh!t I don't buy it. "Casual" viewers are hooked in. Hooked is the operational word. Any addict is chock full of reasons/justifications why they use.

    Each household of a "dead" child has a trooper assigned to it. Information control?

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    All very good, and reasonable questions. Odd how supposedly naturally curious reporters never seem to think to ask them. I was talking to my wife about just that yesterday, and about how anyone who questions any government version of a story whatsoever, is brushed aside as being part of the "black helicopter crowd". So I reckon in that type of environment, any reporter asking such a question would be told to go home and peek through their curtains for black helicopters. And oh by the way, don't bother coming back to work.

    Ever been watching one of those ridiculous press conferences Paul, White House or otherwise, where the repeaters step all over each other just to ask stupid questions, and fantasize what it would be like if they started actually blurting out real questions like the ones listed above? God that would be great! (LOL)

    The lies and misinformation would be exposed for the whole world to see, in under 5 minutes.
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    25, One officer in the school said, “We’ve got one suspect down.” Who was that? Down in this situation generally means in custody(on the ground and cuffed), not dead.
    Down instead usually means down as in shot, wounded, incapacitated etc. Never implies the persons dead though.

    There is also no link with Peter Lanza and LIBOR, apparently a rumour or false information from somewhere.


    Some appear to be more observations and just questions than actual discrepancies that would seem to amount to a conspiracy, kind of normal things to be questioned, but other things are strange, seems about half of them are not so much.
    Confirmation is still needed on many things, but who to trust with that, there is always going to be questions regardless, once more things come to light, any more discrepancies will show up.
    I thought the funerals are being held rather soon, maybe a good thing, its been 3 days, during that time the autopsies would have occurred, plus the funeral arrangement, and its all part of an ongoing investigation.
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    I remember reading loads of investigations into the reality of the Gabriel Giffords shooting. Lots of the 'victims' and 'witnesses' were actors! Giffords made a 'miraculous' recovery! This was another gun-control political news-bender....
    http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runnin...d_chiarini.php
    http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin...es/read/207850

    Something stinks....
    this is just one of the videos offering odd evidence from the official line:
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    Paul, he smashed his computer into bits, so yes, he did leave an online footprint, but it will take great skill to retrieve anything from the bits and pieces.
    Well, smashing a computer doesn´t erase personal online information that´s all around search engine caches and social networks.

    It´s extremely hard to completely erase something from the internet, if not impossible...Just look at how many "celebrities" try to remove leaked naked pictures from the web, without success.

    Anyway, if he was that intelligent, a computer geek, he knew that smashing a computer is probably not really necessary or efficient if all he wanted was to deleted his local personal data.

    All he would have to do is to remove and destroy his HD.

    Smashing a computer to erase data is a total Hollywood movie stuff, a myth, specially if you realize that the HD is a pretty strong piece of hardware and can be easily recovered by professionals if the magnetic disk itself isn´t damaged.
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    What I am noticing:

    They are really targeting many with this event;


    1. ALL gun owners. (even "law abiding" responsible gun owners)
    2. Preppers and Survivalists. (labeling them as paranoid and nut-jobs)
    3. ANYONE with a "potential" mental disorder. (which makes society as a whole basically "unfit")
    4. ANYONE who speaks "misinformation". (specifically social media and alternative news).
    5. etc etc etc., pretty much the general population as a whole.
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    Quote Posted by sdv (here)
    Paul, he smashed his computer into bits, so yes, he did leave an online footprint, but it will take great skill to retrieve anything from the bits and pieces.
    Well, smashing a computer doesn´t erase personal online information that´s all around search engine caches and social networks.

    It´s extremely hard to completely erase something from the internet, if not impossible...Just look at how many "celebrities" try to remove leaked naked pictures from the web, without success.

    Anyway, if he was that intelligent, a computer geek, he knew that smashing a computer is probably not really necessary or efficient if all he wanted was to deleted his local personal data.

    All he would have to do is to remove and destroy his HD.

    Smashing a computer to erase data is a total Hollywood movie stuff, a myth, specially if you realize that the HD is a pretty strong piece of hardware and can be easily recovered by professionals if the magnetic disk itself isn´t damaged.

    Yeah, if he was a genius he'd know that it's really not that hard to pull the hard drive (1 plug and 2 phillips head screws). You don't need to smash the PC. And then he'd know, as you've stated, that one can't erase search history if it's not on your computer (stored on servers and 'that one government office who's name escapes me').

    More likely 'they' call him a genius because when they began filtering search results they didn't realize the sheer volume of traffic involved and are beyond backed up. Also, I don't consider clicking the 'private search' button constitutes one as being genius (there's a joke in there somewhere but I'm running on like 2 hrs of sleep).
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    Quote Well, smashing a computer doesn´t erase personal online information that´s all around search engine caches and social networks.

    It´s extremely hard to completely erase something from the internet, if not impossible...Just look at how many "celebrities" try to remove leaked naked pictures from the web, without success.

    Anyway, if he was that intelligent, a computer geek, he knew that smashing a computer is probably not really necessary or efficient if all he wanted was to deleted his local personal data.

    All he would have to do is to remove and destroy his HD.

    Smashing a computer to erase data is a total Hollywood movie stuff, a myth, specially if you realize that the HD is a pretty strong piece of hardware and can be easily recovered by professionals if the magnetic disk itself isn´t damaged.
    Raf, if you don't have the original computer and the person used an alibi, how can you find their footprint? I challenge you to find my search cache without having access to my computer or being able to link to it in any way. If there is a way, then it is going to take a long time and probably is beyond the capabilites of the local police. His ISP? How do they find his ISP if they don't have any records?

    Here, you have to provide ID and proof of residence before you can register with an ISP. Is that so in USA? If not, it is going to be rather difficult to find his footprint without the data on his computer.

    I seem to remember that the magnetic disk, HD were what was smashed to bits (when I say computer I mean that part and not the outside furniture, and assumed that everyone understood - sorry!)

    The myths and rumours that are being presented about this tragedy are all based on extrememly poor reporting and people just making stuff up and then all of this gets repeated as evidence over and over again. The discrepancy about the number of guns did not come from official sources. Ditto the myth about his mother being a teacher at the school.

    This is how bad the media is: no one is asking where the smashed up computer is and who is trying to retrieve the data. Wouldn't the CIA have the best technical expertise to do this? Have the CIA been asked to help?

    avid, there is no evidence on the video - just speculation with references to online 'stuff'.

    Once again, why have no reporters asked questions about that chase through the woods at an official media briefing? (By the way, no one inside the school saw more than one shooter.) Because they are very bad at their jobs (if their jobs are to uncover and communicate the truth) and they have been a big part of the spreading of these myths and speculations.
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    Don't schools have security cameras?

    I'll partially share a gruesome thought, although it occurs all the time during certain days by the satanist elite. That is human sacrifice. We have a solstice coming up and not just any old solstice by the energy around it alone. Combine a few possibilities with the discrepancies listed in the OP and then try and see where this could go.

    Nice and tender and fully traumatized. Mm-mm good.

    We are all one and their minds are there to be penetrated. Not very savory stuff.

    Voted lately?
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    I might point out that some loners have no desire for a Facebook page, as it is a symbol of the groupthink which has caused them so much pain. Nor do they need much of a presence anywhere else on the web. Someone I know who has issues with paranoia and occasional psychosis made it clear to me that he has no Facebook page and made absolutely sure to not leave any traces on the internet that could be used against him. I myself have a very slim friends list and no profile pictures or personal information.

    The paradox is that we desire the thing we fear the most, i.e. human warmth and a feeling of community.

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    I might point out that some loners have no desire for a Facebook page, as it is a symbol of the groupthink which has caused them so much pain. Nor do they need much of a presence anywhere else on the web. Someone I know who has issues with paranoia and occasional psychosis made it clear to me that he has no Facebook page and made absolutely sure to not leave any traces on the internet that could be used against him. I myself have a very slim friends list and no profile pictures or personal information.

    The paradox is that we desire the thing we fear the most, i.e. human warmth and a feeling of community.
    As an aspie with an aspie son, I am aware of the "headroom" of our kind. So, not only is the insipid popular culture shunned by many of us who accept our difference, and I have made sure my son understands the difference, there is also the wisdom of being on fecebook.

    Gekko, it is the judgement we shun. It is the unpleasant "extra" that comes with community until community develops emotional maturity and greater self examination. As I explain to my son, they are the majority and that greater weight forms the general culture. The other thing I tell him is, intelligence is the exception and not the rule.

    Majority rule. Just look at the fruit it has borne.

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    The biggest discrepancy might be the pre-emptive programming that has now been sussed from the latest Batman movie...
    ala 911 in the Matrix Movie...


    Sandy Hook AND Aurora in BATMAN Movie where he literally points to it on a map...
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post601083
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