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    Posted by Wolfgang W Halbig, 8 hours ago:

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    WHO WOULD HAVE DIRECTED THE NEW HAVEN FBI OFFICES TO CLASSIFY THE SANDY HOOK SCHOOL SHOOTING ON DEC 14, 2012?

    WHAT IS THERE TO BE CLASSIFIED ON DEC 14, 2012 AT SANDY HOOK SINCE YOU HAVE THE FOLLOWING AS STATED BY THE CT STATE POLICE REPORT.

    CLOCK STARTS TICKING WHEN THE FIRST 911 CALL COMES IN TO NEWTOWN POLICE DISPATCH: 9:35:21 AM DEC 14, 2012

    1. SHOOTER ADAM LANZA (MAYBE)
    2. SHOT HIS WAY THROUGH THE FRONT GLASS OF THE SCHOOL (MAYBE)
    3.SHOT AND KILLED 20 CHILDREN AND 6 SCHOOL STAFF MEMBERS. (MAYBE).
    4. HE KILLED HIMSELF (MAYBE).
    5. HE FIRED 153 ROUNDS IN EIGHT MINUTES (MAYBE).
    6. HE DROVE A BLACK HONDA CIVIC (MAYBE)

    NOW WHAT IN THE ABOVE CT STATE POLICE FACTS HAS TO BE CLASSIFIED?

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    Its a bit confusing what they are saying it seems a dispute whether they voted
    that copying documentation would become a felony. It seems they have confirmed
    it was by 14 votes to 2 at the end. Whether that means Halbig can now be charged
    for asking questions I'm not sure. It looked like the vote was on 24th jan 2014.



    Sandy Hook Hoax-Privacy Panel Slips in Five Year Sentence for Release of Info

    Friday 28th February 2014 at 03:48 By David Icke

    http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/



    Published on 25 Feb 2014


    Victim Privacy and the Publics Right to Know Task Force slips in recommendation for
    five year prison sentence for release of FOIA exempt information at the last minute
    and without informing the only two members representing FOIA interests. SCANDALOUS.
    http://www.ctn.state.ct.us/
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    Lenin noted: “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves”.

    Beware controlled opposition and limited hangouts .

    I'm suspecting that Wolfgang W Halbig's statements mix:
    1. good points, which are appealing to someone like myself who is quite open to the proposition that Sandy Hook was really Sandy Hoax,
    2. with inaccuracies, which will provide easy targets for the "those conspiracy nutters are all a bunch of lying nut cases" side.
    For a really ugly, unworthy of actually being embedded, attack on Halbig, see https://youtube.com/watch?v=WYTz-G3LH5Q

    For a more appealing, though nothing fancy, note of caution, see:

    Halbig ran for Lake County Commission District 4 (Florida, USA) in 2010 -- his candidate's biographical sketch on the Orlando Sentinel website is the most coherent biography I can find on him.

    Halbig states on the Children's Safety Institute website that he's a former Executive Director of National Institute for School and Workplace Safety (NISWS). Apparently that is the former NISWS ... I can find no evidence that it currently still operates, and the link I just gave above to the NISWS website is dead. My guess is that the NISWS Institute was formed to provide an incorporated front for Halbig's school safety consultation endeavors.

    ===

    It will be quite easy for the bastard manipulators to get half or more of the people noticing this viral eruption of Halbig's story to go away convinced that anyone claiming that "no one died at Sandy Hook" must be a deranged conspiracy nutcase (regardless of who did or did not die there that day.) This easily ranks up with the "no real planes hit the World Trade Center twin towers" for being an easy to ridicule claim (regardless of whether the claimed commercial jet planes, or any actual jet propelled hunk of metal, hit those towers.)

    ===

    I did find (outside of the Facebook presence others reported on above) one more "Halbig sighting" following his Feb 18, 2014 interview. On the evening of the next day, Feb 19, Halbig did a phone interview with David Knight on Alex Jones' Infoworld Nightly News:

    Halbig's Infowars interview starts at the 16:00 minute mark here.
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    Sandy Hook Hoax-Privacy Panel Slips in Five Year Sentence for Release of Info
    Another twist -- perhaps worth its own thread .

    But ignoring my own good advice to move this to another thread, and continuing with this topic here ...

    The proposed FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) changes have passed the US House of Representatives unanimously, as reported two days ago at Inforworld.com: House unanimously passes FOIA bill. That story makes this sound almost good, beginning:

    ==============
    The House on Tuesday unanimously passed a bill that would make Freedom of Information requests easier with potentially faster response times.

    H.R. 1211, the FOIA Oversight and Implementation Act of 2014 was co-sponsored by House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) and ranking member Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), and puts into action an executive memorandum from President Barack Obama that calls on all agencies to have a “presumption of disclosure” to all FOIA decisions.

    Perhaps most significantly for journalists, the bill would create a centralized online portal for FOIA requests under the Office of Management and Budget, and set up a group that will recommend future improvements to the FOIA process. Currently FOIA requests can be a complicated and complex process of going through different agencies and offices, who often take weeks or months to respond.
    ==============

    For an even more positive sounding report on this, see FOIA bill in the U.S. House is one of the best opportunities to institutionalize open government (E Pluribus Unum)

    In my view, centralizing (US Federal) FOIA requests is surely done to provide the administration more centralized control, more than to expedite responses. Adding the five year felony at the "last minute" further buttresses the suspicion that this is not done with the intention to increase public access to suppressed information.

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    In any event, Federal FOIA laws are distinct from State of Connecticut FOIA laws (and for all I know, Halbig perhaps did not even submit genuine Connecticut FOIA requests, whatever form them are legally required to take.)
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    For a perhaps more level headed, though less engaging, debunking of the official Sandy Hook story, consider this recent Youtube video:
    Top Ten Reasons Sandy Hook Was an Elaborate Hoax
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    Pete Santilli has a long interview with Wolfgang Halbig
    The Halbig portion starts at 1:07:08 into the video:
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=4q3Nh...share&t=1h7m8s
    Santilli is not one of my favorite interviewers ... but he does a good job with this one.

    Santilli's interview makes it clear that Halbig is first and foremost a "by the book, procedures" sort of guy. I doubt that someone could succeed in a 30 year career in school coaching and administration any other way, these days, in most US schools.

    The fundamental objection that Halbig has is that the police and officials handling Sandy Hook didn't follow procedures and are not responding to requests for information as they should, by the book. This is not evidence of what did or did not happen, and when Halbig says something that sounds like "no one was killed there", he does not mean has evidence that no one was killed there. Rather he means that he lacks evidence, by accepted (in his view) procedures, that some were killed there.

    Lack of "by the book" evidence is not evidence of a lack of a crime. Much less is it evidence of what was the nature of the crime.

    However, once pushed past that fundamental mindset of a bureaucrat, Halbig does have some good observations (mixed with some sloppy thinking.) Rescue helicopters were not called in (that seems to be consistent with all evidence, official and otherwise) and only a few or no victims received medical attention (whether few or none is apparently debatable.) Most of the victims were so obviously dead from the massive gun shot wounds (according to the official story) that police were able, in the first few minutes, to determine that they were beyond making any effort to revive. In an active shooter situation, with some 20 or 30 victims, and the police not even (so they claim) knowing if they had one or multiple shooters, it is not possible that one lone, frail young man with limited training could fire the many hundreds of rounds in 5 or 8 minutes claimed, with some 95% kill ratio and with so much damage to each victim that it wasn't even worth letting the medics make an attempt to revive each one (give or take 2 or 3 that might have received medical care.) And Halbig is likely correct in observing that if it really had gone down this way, with police making illegal and peremptory decisions to withhold medical triage efforts, and if there really were some 20 normal children of normal parents so murdered, then the lawsuits would have flown left and right. Such peremptory police action would have been rash, illegal and immoral, and left them wide open to massive law suits from some very angry parents. I'm sure that we've got some medics in our American ambulances and rescue helicopters that can revive people from some god awful gun shot wounds, thanks in part to the excellent "training" for just such trauma provided by America's non-stop "War on Terror" in the Middle East and Southern Asia.

    The official story, including the absence of law suits, is impossible.

    However Halbig has spent too many years as a bureaucrat making official sounding statements and assuming an authority and expertise he doesn't deserve. Halbig does a poor job of making what seems to me to be a slam dunk case that Sandy Hook was some sort of Hoax or Black Op or Big Lie or False Flag or ...

    As an example of Halbig's sloppy thinking, he supports his conclusion that no medics were allowed into the school by citing the public reports of some medics who were not allowed in. Evidence that some were not allowed in is not evidence that none were allowed in.

    As another example of Halbig's sloppy thinking, he supports his conclusion that first responders parked a quarter of a mile away from the school, rather than getting as close as they could and moving to neutralize the threat as quickly as they could by observing that one particular first responder unit parked in back of the school rather than in front. Without analyzing what other first responders were on scene or very close, within the first few minutes, and where those other first responders went to access the school, this proves nothing in my book. For all I know, it is likely that first responders were all over that school, front, back and side, within minutes of the initial 911 calls.

    As an example of Halbig's sloppy procedures, he seems to hang his entire objections first and foremost on the failure of officials to respond to his requests for information, including some Freedom of Information Requests, making reference to the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). But Halbig has not documented his FOIA requests, and continually confuses various forms of requests, including messages left on phone answering machines and email requests. He excuses his lack of documentation (odd for such a bureaucratically inclined person) by saying he was planning to remain "quiet" while he was making the requests, and surprised by all the attention he got recently. He claims to have his own records of each contact attempt, but he has not published these nor described them in any detail for others.
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    Jim Fetzer (who is an Avalon member, btw) yesterday posted this new article about Wolfgang Halbig on Veterans Today:

    http://veteranstoday.com/2014/03/24/...out-sandy-hook

    In it, Halbig's 16 unanswered questions are listed:


    Wolf’s 16 Questions


    From all of the attempts to discredit Wolf, one might infer that he is some kind of radical out to stir up concerns where none are warranted. But the issues that he has raised appear to be very simple and straightforward, which are raised by published accounts, press reports and the video record. Here are sixteen:

    1. Who on 14 December 2012 was the Incident Commander as required by the Federal Emergency Management Administration in directing the Mass Casualty Shooting Incident at the Sandy Hook Elementary School?

    2. Who and Why did they not request the Life Star Helicopters knowing that children and school staff are seriously injured and clinging to life?

    3. Who and Why did they not allow the Paramedics and the EMTs inside the Sandy Hook School to treat any seriously injured children and school staff clinging to life?

    4. Who declared all eighteen children and six school staff members legally dead within the first eight minutes? [NOTE: Two were claimed to have been transported to a local hospital before they died. The purported shooter, Adam Lanza, and his mother, Nancy Lanza, are not included in this count.]

    5. Who was the Certified Environmental Bio-Hazard Decontamination company contracted by the Newtown Public Schools to remove gallons of blood, skull fragments, brain tissues, bodily fluids, blood soaked carpets and decontaminate areas inside the Sandy Hook School?

    6. Why does an off duty Lieutenant from the Newtown Police Department refuse to leave his off duty work assignment at a construction site on 14 December 2012 after hearing that shots have been fired at the Sandy Hook Elementary School?

    7. Who at the Newtown Public Schools notified all of the parents in writing (as required by CT law) that had children attending the Sandy Hook Elementary School as well as every school staff member every school year of all the potential life threatening chemical hazards? [NOTE: The school had high levels of lead paint throughout the entire school, Asbestos in the ceiling tiles and floor tiles, asbestos in the insulation and, most of all, the school had a very high levels of PCB. Check out what PCB is and it should scare any parent.]

    8. Who provided the urgent medical care for the two children who were not transported to the Danbury Trauma Center until an hour after the school was deemed safe for that 15-mile drive?

    9. Who treated those two children who had been shot multiple times–as many as 3 to 11 times–since they did not allow the paramedics and EMTs inside the Sandy Hook Elementary School?

    10. Why did the parents of the two children who died at the Danbury Trauma Center not allow their children to donate their organs to other children waiting for the gift of life?

    11. What happened to the 500 children and 60 school staff members from Sandy Hook Elementary School on 14 December 2012?

    12. Who was the police officer calling into the Newtown Police dispatcher stating in his words that he has multiple weapons, he has a rifle and a shotgun and who has the rifle and the shotgun as the chain of evidence should show that was found in Classroom 8?

    13. Why would a police officer by the name of Lt Vangehle at 9:45:21 am on 14 December 2012 from the Newtown Police Department after finding a kindergarten female child in the hallway make her go into Classroom 8 and leave her? That was a gruesome crime scene with dead children and school staff. Who would do that?

    14. Why would two CT State Troopers enter Classroom 10 at 9:55:31 am on 14 December 2012–which was a gruesome crime scene with dead bodies of children and school staff–and tell a kindergarten boy who they find in the bathroom whose name is redacted and tell them so it must be more than one to stay and they will be both back when it is safe?

    15. Who ordered the porta-potties that showed up at the scene of the crime about three hours after the event?

    16. Who ordered the twenty-six Christmas trees that were stored behind the Firehouse on 14 December 2012 and then brought out to be decorated to commemorate the twenty-six reported victims?


    This last question is remarkable by itself because, had the Firehouse been conducting a Christmas tree sale, it would have been normal to have had dozens and dozens of trees, not just the right number to equal the number of victims.

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    Hi Gerald after questioning his credentials and motives in the first two vids,
    by Brendon Hunt, which is fair enough, as We have no idea if these people
    are who they say they are. Only time tells if witness's are genuine or not
    in many cases.

    In the third which was hard to understand.It sounds like they were going to work
    together or at least keep in touch. So I'm not sure where Tony stands on Halbig ?
    They sounded friendly enough.
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    I thing, most clues are underlying on parents backgrounds.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrCu...ature=youtu.be


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    I think I can answer at least some of the questions, to play devil's advocate.

    The first police officers in the building apparently found two different rooms that had been shot into, with a pile of tiny 6 year olds, each with between 3 and 11 holes in them, described by one EMT who saw it as 'baseball sized holes', many to the face. If the one description I read was accurate, only one boy sustained one injury alone, and that was directly to the face. Most of the EMTs were not allowed into the building because the victims were quite dead, and the scene was that horrific. The police who saw it will need therapy for the rest of their lives and many are already alleging PTSD and an inability to return to work. A high powered gunshot wound to a 6 year old is not survivable at what was only a few feet's range.

    The children were more likely identified by pictures supplied by the parents (not the other way around) and by their clothes. Don't know what that goonie-bird medical examiner** was talking about when he mentioned how his photographers 'were very good photographers' but all or most of the children were shot in the head, which is why the parents for the most part were encouraged not to look at the bodies.

    There was no attempt that I know of to use organ donations but several gunshot wounds to major organs in a small child precludes most donations, except perhaps for corneas; we have no way of knowing if this was done or not. Remember these were murder victims, not expected deaths in-hospital, and permission for this sort of thing was not easy to come by, and since it was murder, the ME gets involved at that point, delaying things. The bodies that were left in the school for over 15 hours would not have been in any condition for donations.

    Some of this information I'm extrapolating from what I've read and see on video, others from a career in the medical field. At first I thought that perhaps no one had died but then I saw in one of the crime scene photos, an unredacted bloody mark on a door frame; this tiny detail made it all too real. I have my doubts as to whether Adam Lanza was the perpetrator, or whether he was a patsy and killed by someone else at the scene, though. Too many questions with this one about the people in the woods, etc.

    And I'll never, ever understand parents getting up in front of a newscamera within a day and asking for money. This is a town where everyone seems to live in half million to 1.5 million dollar houses, and the funerals appear to have been donated. People in Detroit are losing kids every day in gun violence and you don't see them setting up charity donation funds to the tune of 10s of millions of dollars to bury their kids and overcome the trauma. If this had been me, I would never have smiled again. My life would have been over and I would have probably gone berserk on anyone who stuck a microphone in my face.

    ** I've met many MEs and pathologists in my career and a lot of them are very strange; which came first the job or the strangeness is up for grabs; but H Wayne Carver takes the cake. He should have submitted a written report rather than go in front of the cameras. I've never seen anything so unprofessional in my life as that press conference.

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    Smallstorm interviews School Principal Paul Preston - SpeedofLight



    Quote Sofia Smallstorm interviews school administrator Paul Preston about the Sandy Hook shooting. Paul Preston spent 41 years in the California school system and now hosts his own radio show (www.Agenda21Radio.com). Hour 1 of this interview focuses on school drills and Sandy Hook as a staged exercise. Hour 2 (available at www.PureMomentum.net) gets into the "Potemkin village" aspect of Newtown as a model for implementation of Agenda 21 societal control. Says Preston: "I have a lot of [insider] sources ... and every one of my sources said it was a false flag. They had factual knowledge of such."

    Paul Preston spent 41 years in the California public school system, working his way up the ladder from custodian to district superintendent. He was a teacher, coach, vice-principal and principal before retiring in 2012 as superintendent of two charter schools. He is highly trained in school safety issues, having organized drills of many kinds, including active-shooter drills. His website is www.Agenda21Radio.com, which he created to alert listeners to the real nature of the United Nations Agenda 21 programs for global sustainability.


    "For those of us who have been in the field of education and have been a part of the lives of the children we have touched, it's an honor hard to describe. When children are threatened or harmed and you, as a professional, are responsible for their safety, the world changes. You become a different person. For the rest of your life, a new sense is there that screams from an inner instinct of protection. When I saw the events of Sandy Hook unfold, that instinct was instantly triggered, yet the story that was being portrayed did not add up. I must pause at this point to let you know where I come from on school issues. I served 41 years in public schools in California working from custodian to superintendent. I was a teacher, coach, vice principal , principal and superintendent. As an administrator, I have seen the best and worst of humanity. I have been involved in a range of school safety issues from shootings, drugs and gangs to child sex-trafficking, and much more. I have advised and been an expert witness in court on gangs and drugs. I have organized and conducted numerous school drills (e.g., active-shooter, earthquakes) in Northern and Southern California. I was even questioned by detectives investigating the Columbine shooting on the subject of the Trench Coat Mafia and Neo-Nazi hate groups. So when I watched the news footage of what occurred on December 14, 2012 in Newtown, Connecticut, using my own keen eye developed from 41 years of witnessing actual tragedies and staged exercises in schools, I knew immediately that Sandy Hook was not a real event." -- Paul Preston

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    Quote Posted by Slorri (here)
    Smallstorm interviews School Principal Paul Preston - SpeedofLight
    Aha - you beat me to it .

    I just cross posted this at Sofia Smallstorm Unraveling Sandy Hook -- Post #25.
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    Wolfgang Halbig Confronts Newtown Board Of Education (Part 1)


    Wolfgang Halbig Confronts Newtown Board Of Education (Part 2)


    Wolfgang Halbig Confronts Newtown Board Analysis

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    Default Re: What Really Happened at Sandy Hook??

    There are too many red flags for SH to have been anything but a staged and deliberate false flag. Only thing I'm not sure about is whether or not any real children were killed in the event. If not, why not? Psychopaths would have no hesitation about using children as targets - they do it all the time in drone attacks. Why risk what is happening now - FOI demands for proof of actual deaths et al - when they could have sent an assassin in pretending to be Adan Lanza (their patsy) and done the actual deed? The fact of no actual deaths doesn't make any more sense than the rest of it.

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    got to give it to these guys for their persistence. i follow jim fetzer on veterans today .
    he is one of the leading investigators who believes this story just doesnt wash.
    i must admit i have some real problems with this event since day one.
    the school board seems not to say a word.
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    Default Re: What Really Happened at Sandy Hook??

    It is absolutely incredible how the board members just ignored the speakers and carried on with their dull agenda. What a waste of time. Gross public indecency. Further to watching that video, I found
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    Default Re: What Really Happened at Sandy Hook??

    Lots of open gaps for sure, one site suggested many homeowners in the area of the school mysteriously had their mortgages paid off after this incident by an unknown . If this did happen many condolences, if it didn't how much money would it take for your to lie all the way to that bank?

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