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    There is a certain type person who 'moseys' over to the mic, smile to the camera, nods, and tells you how it is.
    They have absolutely no respect for the audience, just their own importance.

    Why? Because there is a audience, who lap it all up.

    Just ask the question, would you put your life and the lives of your family in their hands? Come on people - this is important!
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    Quote Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
    I'm not a George Green expert, so am no authority on this, but has he actually gone well out of his way to BE an Alternative Media "celebrity"? I remember talking with Bill over coffee at a Starbucks when he was here in town a couple years ago, and him describing how he and Kerry first reacted upon people telling them basically that they were celebrities, or leaders in the truth movement, something like that, and their reaction was like: "Who, US? We're just doing what we do." That's a rough paraphrase btw, but you get the point.

    Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but has George gone out of his way to be a big name? Was he a big name before Bill and Kerry? Did George seek fame through those Camelot interviews, or did Bill and Kerry hear about him through the grapevine, and seek HIM out?

    Also, I guess that leads me to wonder. If someone on this forum up and say, wrote a book, which sold for profit, and it became wildly popular like ACIM, or Castaneda's material, would that lessen the level of trust amongst their peers who knew them from before?

    Just being a questioning questioner.

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    Hey brother,

    I´m not talking about Mr.Green specifically. I´m talking in general terms.

    I was never really interested in his material, but so far, the material presented in this thread, like the cloning, anti-holocaust and free energy device, seem pretty shallow.

    Anyway, I wish him well and I´m not interested in debunking him at all. There´s no purpose in doing that.

    As I told you before, I have a gift, which is to know when a man is honest just by looking at his eyes. This gift has shown to be accurate, so far. That´s why I believe Mr.Bill Ryan is a honest man, but, with all due respect, a bit naive sometimes. (and I beg your pardon in advance if you´re reading this, Bill. I have no intention to offend you)

    What I question, very often, is about the chosen criteria to decide when someone is worth interviewing. I´ve asked this a hundred times and nobody has answered me so far. There must be a criteria to choose whistle blowers and interviewees.

    I might be wrong, but at least in Project Camelot, which I also respect profoundly, people seem to be always worried about who they are going to interview next, to keep their business running and to keep the audience entertained.

    I´m afraid they make a lot of bad choices pressured by this constant rush to publish updates and new materials. After all, quantity and quality rarely walk together.

    Publishing one interview after another, without having the proper time to verify the authenticity of their content, without any criteria, is absolutely meaningless. It serves no purpose but to confuse people.

    That´s exactly where I think the Alternative Media is right now; Completely lost and clueless about its true purpose, which is to inform, not to entertain.

    We´re talking about extremely serious responsibility here.

    About books, well, I can securely tell you that there´s a big difference in literature styles from people who write a book from the heart, without worrying about fame or money, and people who write books with the purpose of earning a lot of money and becoming famous.

    The only good artist (and literature is art) is the honest artist; The rest are just opportunists, in my opinion.

    Cheers,

    Raf.

    Ps: I always enjoy replying to your posts, my friend.
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    Default Re: What does George Green Know?

    If I chose to put myself forward as a whistle blower, I'd feel under obligation to provide some evidence: I hope I'd feel enough respect towards my possible audience to at least do that. But that's just the way I see things.

    And, speaking personally, Holocaust "revisionism" is one of those issues about which I feel I have to stand up and speak out.

    But. I also value free speech - and maybe that can't just be for those whose views aren't within what a society deems as palatable. The rights of those whose opinions go against the stream and often arouse strong emotions also need protecting.

    For me, the way to combat such misconceptions is through education - using critical thinking to examine the facts, and then presenting them to be discussed.

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    Hello Fred,

    Your comments prompt a rely.

    The facts are the facts.
    You say the Buddhas teachings should be questioned. I entirely agree, and so would millions of other practitioners,
    who follow his teachings, are happy, and still remain intelligent. The Buddha said that they need questioning as well!

    His teachings are all about the suffering we experience, the cause of that suffering,
    the methods to transcend that suffering, and discovering absolute reality.

    If we are to question the Buddha's teaching of 2500 years,
    so should we also not question Mr. G's teachings?

    According to the video, Mr. G teaches us that the presidents are clones... and that have no souls!
    And that we should all consider going to South America because of a nuclear attack. And?
    That will solve everyone's problems?!

    The Buddha teaches us that suffering may be transcended by giving up the belief in an “I”, and by knowing our true nature.

    Mr. G's teaches us to go to Vilcabama with a pocketful of gold.

    If we do not understand Mr G's teaching, we should investigate more.
    Likewise, for the Buddha's teachings.
    Because I do not understand Mr G. does not mean he is wrong: it is just that I do not understand it.
    Likewise, if someone does not understand the Buddha's teachings, it does not mean he was wrong: it is just that they do not understand it.

    I wonder if Mr G will be remembered 2500 years from now?!




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    Default Re: What does George Green Know?

    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    Quote Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    If you cannot proves something, why say it?
    Is it just to keep the 'business' going?
    Well Tony, I don't follow anyone what so ever, but a lot of what George says makes sense. Is it all true? Well hell brother, I don't know, I can't even prove that I'M not a clone, so I won't bother saying otherwise.

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    NO one can clone YOU Fred, you'r one of a kind and we like it that way...
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    Most people one meets, seems to be a clone.
    They are programmed and react to certain stimuli.
    People stereotype themselves and become a caricature.

    Brave New World is all about this...we are all in it!

    The trick to recognise the need for de-programming.
    When we realise this, it is quite a shock.





    I've just put on a post called the making a Manchurian candidate.
    There is pre- programming involved.

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    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)

    If we are to question the Buddha's teaching of 2500 years,
    so should we also not question Mr. G's teachings?
    Hi Tony, if we're dipping into the realms of comparitive philosophy, then certainly I'll favor Buddhist teachings over George Green teachings all day long. That's a no brainer. Although I'll reiterate, that I stumbled across his free handbooks at just the right time to be the next stepping stone on this journey, so I will always be appreciative of that.

    But this thread has been about demanding proof from people, not questioning teachings. Thus my question to you yesterday, which was: "Can you prove the existance of the Bardo Realms, or that Siddhartha was actually even a person, much less an enlightened one?"

    Cheers,
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    Quote or that Siddhartha was actually even a person, much less an enlightened one
    And dont princes of nations have a stake in people sitting down and shutting up and keeping really calm. ( just something that went through my mind).

    Sorry to barge into the conversation like that Fred, but i have questions about these matters myself, being less eloquent in my not so native English written language, i usually swallow my questions thinking they will be misinterpreted.

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    I can only make a common on cloning issues to give some background support.

    Cloning was very fashion till 1996 in scientific community, it was(and still is) widely used agriculture ( mainly soil based)
    even it was psychological and socially studied.
    Problem occurred when the first time researchers decided to go public with Dolly. Enormous negative respond was build up, with religious group with possibility of human cloning.(which it was already in applicated procedure)

    The Roman Catholic Church, under the papacy of Benedict XVI, has condemned the practice of human cloning, in the magisterial instruction Dignitas Personae, stating that it represents a "grave offense to the dignity of that person as well as to the fundamental equality of all people."
    Sunni Muslims can potentially subscribe to considering human cloning to be forbidden by Islam. The Islamic Fiqh Academy, in its Tenth Conference proceedings, which was convened in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia in the period from June 28, 1997 to July 3, 1997, issued a Fatwā stating that human cloning is haraam (sinful). Importantly, it is not incumbent upon Muslims to subscribe to the Fatwa of any authority they do not themselves choose to accept as legally binding.

    Jews perspectives were related origin of the donor

    If the genetic donor is a woman, perhaps one could claim that the gene donor is also the mother in accordance with the logic of Rabbi Bleich found above, or in accordance with those authorities who label the egg donor the mother according to Jewish law in cases of surrogacy. There is little doubt that the genetic donor would be, at least, classified as the mother as a stricture based on doubt, prohibiting sexual relationships with her relatives or her (if the child is male). This might also be the case for the egg/ovum donor, who is the contributor of the mitochondrial DNA, whose effect on the clone has yet to be fully elaborated on by the scientific community.
    http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/cloning.html
    and
    economical concerns
    http://sss.sagepub.com/content/36/2/173.short

    Then it become a taboo in shadow of the concerns what wealthiest can establish. [also it wasn't major concern (it wouldn't avoidable by law) but outcome from rest of the masses respond for unfairness.]
    Cloning had few flaws for raising livestock.
    Somatic - cell nuclear transfer was limited by lock of original mitochondrial existence. It's life cycle is bonded donor's age at when sample was taken.
    Livestock showed no emotion respond like the original's did.
    Amygdala did not (maybe recent researchers overcame from this flaw) work as expected. Donor's memories for emotional events was not absent at new subject.
    Opps, am I going to passing the post's boundaries. Sorry..
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    Quote Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)

    If we are to question the Buddha's teaching of 2500 years,
    so should we also not question Mr. G's teachings?
    Hi Tony, if we're dipping into the realms of comparitive philosophy, then certainly I'll favor Buddhist teachings over George Green teachings all day long. That's a no brainer. Although I'll reiterate, that I stumbled across his free handbooks at just the right time to be the next stepping stone on this journey, so I will always be appreciative of that.

    But this thread has been about demanding proof from people, not questioning teachings. Thus my question to you yesterday, which was: "Can you prove the existance of the Bardo Realms, or that Siddhartha was actually even a person, much less an enlightened one?"

    Cheers,
    Fred


    Hello Fred,
    This thread is about MR G's claims.

    The Bardo is a very different topic, and will take much study and personal reflection.
    Bardo mean gap, and there are Bardo experiences during life as well.

    What is important a valuable teachings or guidelines. It all depends one inclinations.

    I do not know if Jesus was real, but, I love his teachings. "Love thy neighbour as thy self and I and my father are one"
    have much meaning for me. It is the meaning that is important - not who said it. To teach at this very high standard
    the Buddha and Christ were at least very wise and compassionate. That does not mean they condoned everything.

    For some the Bardo experience and explanations are complex, and one needs a step by step progression to understand them.
    For me it is simple...just knowing that, that which looks out of my eye now and when I was a child has never ever changed.
    And, that I was born with certain tendencies....as with everyone else.


    I would love to go into more detail, as far as I can, which is limited.
    One first has to understand that information is 75% provable 20% inference and 5% trust.
    One definitely has to go step by step to find confidence. There are also long periods of digestion needed,
    before the next step can be taken, otherwise we can get indigestion, with gobbling up too fast!

    This modern world wants instant gratification and realisation this is not how it works.
    Breaking down habitual patterning takes time...there is no wave of super consciousness coming to do it for us.





    Deepest respect,
    Tony
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    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    Most people one meets, seems to be a clone.
    Simply a clone of the collective consciousness, or better still...these days, whoever we decide to believe without doing our own verification.
    There are also the younger minds who are easily lead and molded into something they are not even aware of.
    We can see all the evidence in our scientists our doctors our bankers our governments and most sadly, our teachers.

    There is such a thing called the Science of Truth and it is not taught in any books...it is life's lesson...tailored individually for each of us...free of charge.
    The alternative media and mind is a potential failure because it does not see the FIRST...most important requirement...always see it with your own eyes.

    The ideal, which some have, of trust and belief in EVERYONE, is a little down the road still, on our journey...and we look forward to that moment when this will be the way of life of all of us...BUT...we should see the 'usefulness' of the one that leads us astray as a reminder of the way it is now and the way it will become and heed the first lesson in the Science of Truth.

    Love to all
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    If you haven't seen the Movie, here it is in its entirety...

    Well worth watching - Art imitating Life...

    Quote Plot...

    Young, well-intentioned Barry Kohler (Steve Guttenberg) stumbles upon a secret organization of Third Reich war criminals holding clandestine meetings in Paraguay and realizes that Dr Josef Mengele (Gregory Peck), the infamous Auschwitz doctor, is among their number. He phones Ezra Lieberman (Laurence Olivier), an ageing Nazi hunter living in Austria, with this information. A highly skeptical Lieberman tries to brush Kohler's claims aside, telling him that it is already well-known that Mengele is living in Paraguay. Having learned when and where the next meeting to include Mengele is scheduled to occur, Kohler records part of it using a hidden microphone, but is discovered and killed while making another phone call to Lieberman. Before the phone is hung up with Lieberman on the other end, he hears the voice of Mengele ordering a group of ex-Nazis to kill 94 men in different countries, including Austria, Germany, Denmark, Holland, Norway, Sweden, Canada, England and the U.S.

    Aware that something is wrong, Lieberman follows Kohler's leads and begins travelling throughout Europe and North America to investigate the suspicious deaths of a number of middle-aged civil servants. He meets several of their widows and is amazed to find an uncanny resemblance in their adopted, black-haired, blue-eyed sons. It is also made clear that, at the time of their deaths, all the civil servants were aged around 65 and had a cold, domineering, and abusive attitude towards their adopted sons, while their wives were aged around 42 and doted on the sons.

    Lieberman gains insight from Frieda Maloney (Uta Hagen), an incarcerated former Nazi guard who worked with the adoption agency, before realizing during a meeting with Professor Bruckner (Bruno Ganz), an expert on cloning, the terrible truth behind the Nazi plan: Mengele, in the 1960s, had secluded several surrogate mothers in a Brazilian clinic and fertilised them with ova each carrying a sample of Hitler's DNA preserved since World War II. 94 perfect clones of Hitler had then been born and sent to different parts of the world for adoption.

    As Lieberman uncovers more of the plot, Mengele's superiors become more unnerved. After Mengele happens to meet (and then attacks) one of the agents he believes is in Europe implementing his scheme, Mengele's principal contact, Eduard Seibert (James Mason), informs him that the scheme has been aborted before Lieberman can expose it to the authorities. Mengele storms out, pledging that the operation will continue.

    Seibert and his men destroy Mengele's jungle estate after killing his guards and servants. Mengele himself, however, has already left, intent on trying to continue his plan. He travels to rural Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, where one of the Hitler clones, Bobby Wheelock (Jeremy Black), lives on a farm with his parents. There he murders the boy's father (John Dehner), a Doberman dog breeder, and lies in wait for Lieberman, who is on his way to the farm to warn Mr. Wheelock of Mengele's intention to kill him.

    The instant Lieberman arrives and sets eyes on Mengele, he attacks the doctor in a fury. But Mengele soon gains the upper hand and holds him at gunpoint. He taunts Lieberman by explaining his plan to return Hitler to the world. Then, with one desperate lunge, Lieberman opens the closet where the Dobermans are held and turns them loose. The dogs corner Mengele and begin to attack him. At that point, Bobby arrives home from school. It is Mengele's first look at one of his clones. Bobby calls off the dogs and tries to find out what has happened.

    Bobby can tell from the carnage that something is amiss. The injured Mengele tells Bobby how much he admires him, and explains that he is cloned from Hitler. But Bobby doubts his story and is also suspicious because the dogs are trained to attack anyone who threatens his family. Lieberman tells Bobby that Mengele has killed his father and urges him to notify the police. Bobby checks the house and eventually finds his dead father in the basement. He rushes back upstairs and sets the vicious dogs on Mengele once again, relishing his bloody death. Bobby then proceeds to help Lieberman, whom Mengele has shot and wounded, but only after Lieberman promises not to tell the police about the incident.

    Later, while recovering from his wounds, Lieberman is encouraged by an American Nazi-hunter, David Bennett (John Rubinstein) to expose Mengele's scheme to the world. He asks Lieberman to turn over the list (that Lieberman had taken from Mengele's body while Bobby was calling for an ambulance) identifying the names and whereabouts of the other boys from around the world, so that they can be systematically killed before growing up to become bloody tyrants. Lieberman objects on the grounds that they are mere children. He burns the list before anyone can read it.

    In the final scene, Bobby is shown in his darkroom, absorbed and excited by photographs that he has taken of Mengele's body after it has been savaged by the dogs.
    The Boys from Brazil (1978)


    https://youtube.com/watch?v=H58H_kAZZsY

    PS - This Movie definately connects the George Green Dots...

    Enjoy...
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    Here's a funny thing...not much discussion going on about "What George Green Knows"...
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    Default Re: What does George Green Know?

    Quote If you cannot proves something, why say it?
    If you have a thought, why not share it?

    To the OP--GG is fun. BR likes him. I want one of his geo-siesmic domes, to cover with earth and make into a hobbit hole. I also really want to feel him cut the power/energy line holding up my arm like he does in interviews.

    I really like and agree with chipsam's post.

    And his Handbook for the New Paradigm is incredible, I found incredible synchronicities occuring regularly when reading it...whether it caused them or made me recognize them, doesn't matter, is real good stuff...

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