Ascension, Dolores Cannon and '5D': Splitting into two Earths

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Posted by Mad Hatter (here)
Hmm...

Dimension: A physical property, such as mass, length, time, or a combination thereof, regarded as a fundamental measure or as one of a set of fundamental measures of a physical quantity:

So for example we have...

1st Dimension = Left / Right
2nd Dimension = Up / Down
3rd Dimension = Backward / Forward
4th Dimension = TIME (from the above)

Why do so many describe time as "a minefield of discarnate energy "

Probably from experience?

See the first three chakras as analogous to the first three dimensions, see the main upper bodily chakras as residing in higher dimensions. The throat is the gateway to higher dimensionality. Where the parts of us that exist below meet the parts of us the exist above is the heart. We may say heart matters are analogues to traversing 4D - a meeting point, the crossover point of the infinity symbol, the eye of the needle, the finger of God allegorically touching the finger of man on the roof of a chapel. Lose contact with the heart and we become like shades, energy with no form but illusion, no function but self-pity and loathing disguised by aggression.

Seeing things in black and white may be a symptom of lower dimensionality (duality consciousness), but black and white are analogues of but two parts of the true trinity of female/male/magic. If this is unpalatable we can try pos/neg/neutral, mother/father/child or any other permutation influenced by our temperment and informed by whichever currency of cultural shorthand we tend to deal in.

Most people see things like these in transcendant experiences; for many, attaining this state requires much discipline and privation; for some the journey leaves them less fit for 3D existence upon their return than they were before they left; some go insane. For example, my understanding of the trinity came from a vision I received when I was seven (which I won't bother to relate here), but my visions started because I was severely and repeatedly sexually abused as a five year old. My take on that is: my awareness was forcibly returned to our true state, because the illusion had become problematic and destructive to me.

Nobody is trying to force anybody to believe anything, we are all here merely to share the pieces of the puzzle we have found along the way.

Edit: As an aside, we could also say that "time" is a human construct that acheives nothing except providing a referrant for the imperfection of physical reality (decay/entropy)

[Youniverse]

It's always so easy to judge. Upon further reflection you realize you are missing so many key points of information as to make any kind of informed assertion impossible. I personally couldn't care less whether the Maya ascended or not. I don't even really know what ascension means. I can however, make the choice to set myself or ME aside(while in the body) and just see what happens. To get over yourself and over the world is useful in my experience, but what do I know? I was sitting in church today imagining that with all that appears to be going on, different interactions taking place, there is only ONE in the room. We like to place so much value on what "I" the person is about. It's just content. The room full of people is one awareness looking at itself in different ways. What does this have to do with this discussion? I'm not sure. I just liked what finefeather was saying about consciousness. IMO we need to be a lot less worried about the labels we put on things(like 4th density or this or that dimension) and a whole lot more focussed on who it really is that's putting the labels on things. What I've been working on is being more aware of my tendency to say "Oh this is what that is" and ceasing to explore what I might be missing. As soon as the ego thinks it knows what something is it wraps it up in a little box and moves on to the next puzzle. This is a habit worth losing.

[Hervé]

With this ascension business, I smell manipulation... you know... Drake, Wilcock et al.

Here is an analysis that one might find to be applying to that ascension and multiple "D" business:



The disaster of manufactured consent in the Matrix
by Jon Rappoport March 15, 2013
www.nomorefakenews.com

This article may seem to be about abstract theory, but it isn’t. It’s about how populations are viewed by psychological-operations specialists.

More importantly, it’s about how people are led to accept substitutes for their own highest ideals. The substitutes look like the real thing, but they’re actually very well drawn cartoons.

The most successful long-terms psyops are aimed at getting people to accept “good things, wonderful things.” Except, it turns out that these things magically evaporate and leave populations in the lurch.

Imagine for a moment that every crisis we now find ourselves in, every form of pollution and poisoning and every war and every mass destruction of life…was preceded and precipitated by…a psyop that looked like a golden destiny of fulfillment.

Okay. Let’s begin.

At some point, every intelligent human develops their own reality.

This reality isn’t usually a clear, articulated, and overall position. It tends to be a hodge-podge of linked ideas, preferences, feelings, principles, and morals.

Nevertheless, consciously and unconsciously, the person refers to it often, and uses it as a tool with which to navigate through life.

In the Matrix, there is pressure to have people connect their realities to each other. Why? Because groups can thus be created. Groups are easier to compromise than individuals.

We get the concept of hooked ideas. A hooked idea is one which will entice people to merge their realities into One. The hooked idea can be expressed as a slogan, a so-called meme, a principle. It is introduced by people who work psyops.

A psyop is a campaign to herd people into a place where their individual realities overlap.

For the propagandist, there is the eternal search for the good, better, and best hooking idea, the one that will collect the greatest possible number of people under one roof.

This has nothing to do with true progress or honest intent. It has everything to do with control.

Therefore, the actual content and substance and meaning of the hooking idea is irrelevant. A retired propaganda operative once told me, “If I could broadcast a piece of absolute gibberish from one end of the planet to the other, and have it picked up and consented to, I would do it.”

For a psyop specialist, the jackpot is a large group of hooked ideas that, taken together, change the world, and bring a billion or more people’s realities into one overlapping space.

Here is a current ongoing group of such hooked ideas. Before you read them, remember that the aim of such ideas is collecting people under AN IMITATION OF THE REAL THING.

Whatever meaning these hooked ideas have, they are not searching out people to move them into actual individual choices. No, the objective is to rope them under a fake banner that looks real.

“Help others. Help the needy. Raise up the needy. We’re all in this together. Greatest good. Greatest good for the greatest number. Humanity as one. Peace. Let’s all cooperate. The human family…”

This is only a partial list of the group of hooked ideas.

These ideas are transmitted to the global population through every means possible: ads, public service announcements, political speeches, movies, articles, books, the news, television shows of every type, the education system. It’s a blitz, and it doesn’t stop. All the angles are played.

The psyop calculation runs this way: the majority of people who buy in and connect their realities to other people’s realities and achieve overlap—will go passive and accept “the new humane society.” All these people are complete pawns.

The sector of people who buy in and thus share realities, collectively, and then DO something about it…these people will follow a prescribed path. They’ll join the approved groups and campaign for the chosen causes. They’re dupes.

The very small fraction of people who buy into the group of hooked ideas and think of them as genuine and real, and also DO something genuine and real and good about it, will create a manageable amount of disruption to the scheme and the objective—which by the way is a completely collectivist planet. The operative word here is “manageable.”

This same retired propaganda operative, who goes by the pseudonym of Ellis Medavoy (I interview him 28 times in one section of my collection, THE MATRIX REVEALED), explained this “psyop calculation”:

“The target of a terrific psyop is yearning and longing. That’s what I looked for when I was working: what people long and yearn for. Something unformed and undefined but very powerful. That’s what I wanted to tap into.

“If I could tap into that, people would buy in and surrender a significant part of whatever their personal world looks like. Because they want to believe they’re coming together with like-minded others. They’ll also believe the path laid out for them is correct and proper and wonderful. This is really a fake religion we’re talking about.

“A fake religion. It’s really for children, and most people turn out to be children. Give them a group of high-minded ideas, and they’ll grab on and think everything they’ve done up to that moment is a prelude to THIS.

“We [operatives] are playing a symphony, you see, and once they listen to the prelude, they’re hooked. They stay. They long for the climax, which doesn’t exist; not the way they imagine it. To them it’s all about ‘arrival in the promised land,’ as if that’s some kind of gift that’s wrapped up under the tree, waiting to be opened.

“We give them a fake god, a dead-end god. If they were once burning with authentic faith, we derail that and take them to another place…”

In truth, there is no such thing as the sum of all personal realities. That concept is a delusion that is foisted on people.

As I stated at the beginning of this article, each person has their own reality. It may be a hodge-podge, it may be borrowed to some degree, but it IS the reality of the individual. Each person has the opportunity, if he takes it, to expand that reality and make it more profound, on his own terms.

But once he becomes mesmerized by the notion of overlapping his reality with others, he’s in a whole different pew.

Here is another very important distinction: you and I and others could, for example, decide to start a business. We could cooperate in this new enterprise. We could decide on common objectives. We could be inspired to a tremendous degree. But we are still—each of us—carrying along our individual realities. That’s what gives us our core individual strength. That’s what allows us to contribute to the group.

And we’re aware of what we’re doing. We’re choosing to do it.

That’s quite different from falling under the sway of a psyop. That’s quite different from buying into hooked ideas on a emotional level. That’s quite different from accepting the generalized idea of an emotional and spiritual merger of our personal realities.

In the latter case, what is happening is the supreme irony: people are buying the idea that their freedom actually equals their merging.

It is exactly this “merging” that obsessed technocrats are proposing. They see it in terms of humans and machines “coming together.” This is their envisioned promised land. The ability to instantly access trillions of pieces of information and do lightning-speed calculation and organize that information in countless ways is their version of personal revelation.

It’s their fake religion.

Humans and machines as One is, if you examine it, the sacrifice of personal reality.
Of course, technocrats don’t see it that way. But that’s what they’re doing.
Information is only one component of personal reality—and they’re blowing that up into a god.

There is a sequence at work here. First, with the development of the computer, people could search and find information. Now, they can have computers anticipate what the desired information is and provide it. Finally, people will be given—quite apart from their desires—the information they require, as adjudicated by experts.

This has less and less to do with personal reality.

Manufactured consent in the Matrix is a bit of a misnomer. Manufactured consent IS the Matrix, at the most profound level.

Whatever a person has as his personal reality is something to build on. You might say it’s the engine by which he can set sail and voyage. And during his personally navigated voyage, he enlarges and changes his personal reality. It becomes more powerful. It becomes more a matter of imagination and a life lived through and by imagination.

In this light, cooperation with others takes on a whole new meaning. The longing and obsession to overlap his reality with that of others fades in importance.

His immunity to hooked ideas becomes stronger.

The very notion of what personal reality is changes. It is no longer simply a fixed configuration set in concrete.

The psyop is aimed at disintegrating the personal voyage.

It is aimed at flattening the emotions and shortening the perspective and short-circuiting the fire in the soul.

Hooked ideas and manufacturing consent and overlapping realities and merging are the tools used to deaden life and invent the collective future.

In that future, each person becomes a mirror that reflects every other person. And it turns out that there is no substance at all in the trillions of rebounding reflections.

The endless overlapping deletes all content.

Personal reality and the personal voyage are the WAKING UP that breaks the trance.

A great deal of history of the human race, littered as it is with suffering and pain and war and hunger, was produced by competing psyops.

Each side was utterly convinced that its ideals were superior. What neither side realized was that everybody, on all sides, was accepting a psyop substitute of their own personal reality. That was the big switch.

Each person on each side had bought into a hooking idea that looked so good and so right and so wonderful.

And each person was operating on a false basis. Each person had, without noticing it, misplaced his own personal reality.

You could accurately write, on many gravestones: “I died for a psyop.”

In this day and age, political leaders have entirely given up the notion of personal reality, if they even understand what it means. For them, it’s all about psyop, because they are thinking about mass and number and population. They are looking for central hooking ideas—the very best they can find—and how to express them and transmit them as convincingly as possible.

The major differences between these leaders are to be found in how well they function as mouthpieces for hooking ideas.

Freedom? Democracy? The will of the people? A better future for all? Equality? Justice? These are merely concepts in search of ways to run psyops.

Jon Rappoport

The author of an explosive collection, THE MATRIX REVEALED, Jon was a candidate for a US Congressional seat in the 29th District of California. Nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, he has worked as an investigative reporter for 30 years, writing articles on politics, medicine, and health for CBS Healthwatch, LA Weekly, Spin Magazine, Stern, and other newspapers and magazines in the US and Europe. Jon has delivered lectures and seminars on global politics, health, logic, and creative power to audiences around the world. You can sign up for his free emails at [COLOR=#000080][U]www.nomorefakenews.com

[Gardener]

Ray:----> [...Is there such a thing as a 5D earth, as apposed to a 3D earth? is a good question and would obviously be dependent on what a 5D earth could be. I think I recall Raf tell us, some where, that all this talk about 'D's...as in dimensions and densities is all too confusing and is often used to make us believe the writer knows what he/she is talking about...I have to agree with him....]

This is pretty much same page I am on Ray, it used to be realms and what not, and I agree that the D's thing comes from this simple geometric and scientific fact; we humans have a structure of 3 dimensions, length; breadth; depth; to move through any of these takes time, seems clear to me that this 3 dimensional structure of ours has to have time. Beyond that (or before) I would say its a continum of consciousness within which one can exist according to frequency resonance.

Dollores Cannon has conducted what certainly resembles a 'qualitative study' (not a meta study which involves quantitative data from a number of other studies) the emerging theories (often repeated data) may be simply archetypal artefacts of the psyche.

[araucaria]

After sleeping on my last post but one here (#33, interesting number), I want to make the following remarks.

Jung’s theory of integrating the dark side is very probably correct. Understandably however, a century ago, he would be seeing things from within the matrix, the penal colony or the mafia-controlled galactic sector (whatever one wishes to call it) where the darkness-to-light ratio is way above what it should be and highly unrepresentative of the broader picture.

Dolores Cannon in my view is often (the Maya thing being one probable exception) stepping out into the universe beyond, with her notoriously positive reports likely reflecting the overall situation where the viable dose of darkness is very much lower than what we are seeing here – more like seasoning than a major ingredient.

Clearly the integration model is breaking down, not being feasible on this scale. Jung’s example of the holy man creating a dark side on the scale of his holiness is being played out on the level of the whole Catholic Church and in particular at its head – not hypocrisy as it is generally called, but a full-blown Jekyll and Hyde personality. Amazingly (and I think encouragingly), its chief exponent, the outgoing pope, the holy theologian cum chief inquisitor, has survived to tell the tale.

Since the integration model is breaking down, what is being put in its place is a separation operation, namely a decanting or distillation process to purify humanity to a point where integration can function properly. Or perhaps it is more like a flushing mechanism, with all this cleaner energy coming in from outside. In this scenario, there is no need to be destroying any individuals who are too far gone. In this broader environment their presence will be diluted to a point where they are no longer harmful. On the other hand, new age ideas of ascension for the good and the destruction of the evil (this works both ways) remain within the old paradigm whereby religion is a hotbed of evil, prisons are where minor offenders become criminals, and hospitals are a major source of every kind of infectious disease.

You don’t need/want to shoot someone in order to make them behave. You put them in a situation where they are no longer in a position to misbehave. Unfortunately we are generally averse to this solution because it looks too much like a reward. But if we don’t, it is we who are misbehaving. The thing is, we no longer have any choice: the prisoners are burning down the prison and we have run out of punishments.

In actual fact, the integration model is not breaking down at all, it is merely operating on a broader scale. Any galaxy or universe that has been allowing prison planets and such has itself been malfunctioning in this regard, and that is why extraterrestrials are helping solve this problem: it is their problem too. They are not waiting for us to grow up, we are growing up together.

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Jung’s theory of integrating the dark side is very probably correct.

Undoubtedly, from my point of view. There is no growth until we have taken the sh*t out of our garden, processed it, then returned it as fertilizer, not poison. If I would ask people to take one thing from my offerings here, it would be this.

Pre-empting here, it is sh*t because the facets of our dark side have been intentionally contaminated and tied to psychological and moral disfunction to disempower us. Don't be afraid of the dark, just because "they" tell us we should be.

[Mad Hatter]

Posted by turiya (here)
Throwing Nassim Haramein into the mix...
So, from Nassim, we have:
1st Dimension = Left / Right = non existent
2nd Dimension = Up / Down = non existent
3rd Dimension = Backward / Forward = non existent
turiya

Hmm... Mr Haramein... really....

Perhaps he might like to take up the following challenge.

Aim a 44 magnum hand gun at his head.

Keep in mind this 'non existent' device if loaded with a 'non existent' JHP round fires that 'non existent' projectile at a 'non existent' 1200 ft/sec

Assuming he actually believes what you have quoted then he will have no problem pulling the 'non existent' trigger to prove his theory is correct, no?

Don't know about you but I'd pay good money to watch that as either way the result could only improve the depth of the gene pool.

[turiya]

As as experienced dreamer, I have come to understand that one tends to come to the point of committing suicide only if one's dream has become a seemingly unending nightmare for oneself. I don't see Haramein as having that bad of a time in the dream he has presently created for himself.
However, if one does find enjoyment in seeing the misery of another culminating in such an act of violent self-destructive desperation, then I would doubt that such an individual would have the wherewithal or the capability of making a successful transition, or shift, to a positive parallel reality - call it "new" Earth. One would be no better than those who attempt to find enjoyment in their efforts to poison, starve, rob, steal, bomb & depopulate the planet at present.

All that is left to say is 'happy chemtrails to you'.
Or, as Dolores Cannon has put it: "They will be left with the world that they have created."

~~~~~~~~~late edit~~~~~~~~~

BTW, here's more from Bashar, as it appears to backup Dolores Cannon's claim of a "new" Earth...
Bashar | 2012 The Splitting Prism

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=om1Rr3ra3yQ

cheers - turiya

[Anchor]

Posted by Mad Hatter (here)

Posted by turiya (here)
Throwing Nassim Haramein into the mix...
So, from Nassim, we have:
1st Dimension = Left / Right = non existent
2nd Dimension = Up / Down = non existent
3rd Dimension = Backward / Forward = non existent
turiya

Hmm... Mr Haramein... really....

Perhaps he might like to take up the following challenge.

Aim a 44 magnum hand gun at his head.

Keep in mind this 'non existent' device if loaded with a 'non existent' JHP round fires that 'non existent' projectile at a 'non existent' 1200 ft/sec

Assuming he actually believes what you have quoted then he will have no problem pulling the 'non existent' trigger to prove his theory is correct, no?

Don't know about you but I'd pay good money to watch that as either way the result could only improve the depth of the gene pool.

Hmm.. Mad Hatter... really....

You advocate the setting up and killing of physicists simply because you fail to understand the point he is trying to make?

Seems rather harsh to me.

Read what he says again - your selective quoting, does you no favours here. You have completely omitted the 4D part - which is the bit that gives substance to both the bullet, the propellant and the gun.

You ought to have more respect for people trying to explain complex ideas, rather than just take the piss.

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his semantic cap:

Touche Turiya and congratulations on such a beautiful put down...to wit ...

Posted by turiya (here)
However, if one does find enjoyment in seeing the misery of another culminating in such an act of violent self-destructive desperation, then I would doubt that such an individual would have the wherewithal or the capability of making a successful transition, or shift, to a positive parallel reality - call it "new" Earth. One would be no better than those who attempt to find enjoyment in their efforts to poison, starve, rob, steal, bomb & depopulate the planet at present.

What a pity you subsequently spoiled such an excellent display of semantic finesse with...

Posted by turiya (here)
All that is left to say is 'happy chemtrails to you'.
Or, as Dolores Cannon has put it: "They will be left with the world that they have created."
cheers - turiya

...how very droll.

Such linguistic capability is usually a sign of intelligence but whether or not the possessor of such intelligence is unafraid of robust discussion and willing to be challenged on stated beliefs remains to be seen.

In deference to part of Anchor's subsequent comments...

Posted by Anchor (here)
rather than just take the piss.

upon re-reading my post(s) I can see how the translation of what I said through the filter of an internet forum format may have somewhat mangled the intent / humour with which it was proffered.

Anchor also wanted to point out that...

Posted by Anchor (here)
You ought to have more respect for people trying to explain complex ideas,

Although I would politely argue 'respect' is something which in my book is earned, I agree with the sentiment it is indeed difficult to explain complex ideas!!

As it seems some readers failed to grasp the complexity of what I was attempting to highlight, I will take this opportunity to break down that complexity by way of deconstruction in the hope of a more transparent dialogue outcome.

Posted by turiya (here)
I don't see Haramein as having that bad of a time in the dream he has presently created for himself.

Well we seem to be on the same page here as Haramein certainly does appear to be a dreamer if one looks at his brand of physics and takes possibility vs probability into account.

Shock horror, yet another cruel sarcastic quip? Maybe. But as we shall see this goes to the heart of the matter regarding attempts at explaining complex ideas. The problem I see arising here is if those involved are simply singing to the choir or are seriously attempting to parley such information to a broader audience.

If it is the former then the entire point of this post is moot.

If it is the later then we have a problem of engagement and it is from that perspective that I took the stance I did with my original post with it's description of the dimensions understood by 90% of the planet and the obvious subsequent question arising from that understanding...

ie Why does the dimension of time always appear to be either misconstrued or re defined by those who talk about higher realms?

I do sometimes wonder what the devotees of such philosophical matters think when they get a 'glazed eye' look from the target audience and whether or not they have even bothered to consider that their mismatching, deliberate or otherwise, of common definitions may actually be responsible for the self evident cognitive dissonance occurring in the average listener or reader as the case maybe.

Now it is perhaps my own fault that the subtlety of my original message missed it's mark but an analysis of the response(s) does lead to some interesting logical non sequiturs...

In order to avoid the issue of...

Posted by Anchor (here)
selective quoting,

Here it is in it's entirety again... (minus my own which was at the start of it and the img/video links for the sake of brevity)

Posted by turiya (here)
Throwing Nassim Haramein into the mix...
So, from Nassim, we have:
1st Dimension = Left / Right = non existent
2nd Dimension = Up / Down = non existent
3rd Dimension = Backward / Forward = non existent

So, we are left with 2 non existent dimensions making up a 3D form. The 3D form created out of two other non existent forms can only yield a form being non existent itself. Then this non existent 3D form is placed within a "minefield of discarnate (non material) energy"... 4D.
mmm... I would say that all that one is left with is the only true reality that exists, which is one's own witnessing consciousness... i.e. the observer.

So, to add to the confusion/non confusion spectrograph, I submit a third term, one in which I would consider the most important term of the three.

dimension
density
reality

Not only can we talk about the several dimensions, densities, but also several different realities that one can exist in, and/or shift in & out of. To illustrate this further, I turn to yet another Bashar video. Bashar, in the following video, explains the possibility of shifting into different "parallel" realities. One would, of course, have to be keenly aware of how & when one would have made such a shift. A shift in one's pattern of thought (negative-positive), according to Bashar, is how this is accomplished. The woman asking the question(s), has no understanding of what she had done until it was explained to her.

To further illustrate, here's another video whereby the practitioners are helping the patient to make the shift in reality. A "parallel" reality where the cancerous tumor of the bladder does not exist.

turiya

OK... assuming it is now legitimate to quote selectively from the above in order to make my point(s) a little deconstruction is in order...

Posted by turiya (here)
Throwing Nassim Haramein into the mix...
So, from Nassim, we have:
1st Dimension = Left / Right = non existent
2nd Dimension = Up / Down = non existent
3rd Dimension = Backward / Forward = non existent

This seems like an attempt to establish that there are no dimensions based on the work of Haramein.

Posted by turiya (here)
Then this non existent 3D form is placed within a "minefield of discarnate (non material) energy"... 4D.

This seems like an attempt to establish non existent forms in 4D.

Thus the definition for 4D in this discussion has been re defined from what is accepted by 90% of the population as being time to being = to a "minefield of discarnate (non material) energy"(sic)

Posted by turiya (here)
So, to add to the confusion/non confusion spectrograph, I submit a third term, one in which I would consider the most important term of the three.

dimension
density
reality

Having established that the first 3 dimensions don't exist and density being a product of those must also not exist we are presumably only left with reality...

Posted by turiya (here)
Not only can we talk about the several dimensions, densities, but also several different realities that one can exist in, and/or shift in & out of.

I suppose we could talk about non existent dimensions and densities but I fail to see how, after using your logic to establish these as having nothing to do with reality, they play any part in shifting between the parallel realities you speak of.

I would draw your attention to the fact that for 90% of the planet the concept of parallel requires the existence of dimensions merely for it's expression.

You cannot have it both ways, are you trying to say, based on your previous logic, that parallel universes are also non existent or perhaps in this instance you failed to re define parallel for us?

Posted by turiya (here)
A shift in one's pattern of thought (negative-positive),

Once again I would like to draw your attention to the non sequitur since for 90% of the population 'negative-positive' cannot be defined without referencing dimensions or have you yet again overlooked the need to carry out some form of re-definition?

All that being said it was my response to the above logic in a follow up post that seems to have been misunderstood.

Posted by Anchor (here)
You advocate the setting up and killing of physicists simply because you fail to understand the point he is trying to make?

You are free to construe it as such... from my point of view it was a case of questioning whether or not Haramein has the courage to back up what his stated beliefs are via a relatively simple empirical experiment.

Posted by Anchor (here)
You have completely omitted the 4D part - which is the bit that gives substance to both the bullet, the propellant and the gun

Well I would draw your attention to the following...

Posted by turiya (here)
Then this non existent 3D form is placed within a "minefield of discarnate (non material) energy"... 4D.

I am truly puzzled how the 'substance' of which you speak can be derived given that...!!

Coming back to my post...

Posted by Anchor (here)
Read what he says again -

For you edification I'll translate the implication(s) imbedded in my argument to save you that effort

1) Hypothesis forwarded there REALLY are no dimensions (1 through 3 at least)
2) Logical deduction of the hypothesis matter does not exist
3) Empirical experiment to prove hypothesis proposed
4) Potential to increase the understanding of science based on the result.

Admittedly the proposed experiment methodology was a little harsh and maybe I could have toned it down to projectiles and testing for holes in blocks of wood but if by implication you are wishing to place restrictions on freedom of expression then that would be a slippery downhill path indeed.

Either way I stand by my original proposal that such an experiment would improve the depth of the gene pool which can only be a good thing.

Now having said all that if, as alluded to earlier, this is nothing more than a case of singing philosophy to the choir then where it was said...

Posted by turiya (here)
one's own witnessing consciousness... i.e. the observer.

I might point out that as an eternal being with an infinity within which to pass the endless now I find the seriousness of some very amusing.

I leave you good folk with one of my favourite quotes...

"I am responsible for what I say, not what you understand" Jorr Lundstrom

Namaste

[turiya]

Mad Hatter, thank you for your response.
And I am most glad to see that you had come back with your mad hat thinking cap securely fixed once again upon your skull...

But I must say, I am a tad bit disheartened by the shallow response that you have chosen to give as a rebuttal to what I had originally posted.
Just a reminder, the title of this thread is Dolores Cannon 5D Earth is Here!
In my latter response to you, I included, yet another video. So, in total, I had posted three other videos (other than the Haramein video) that, imo, gives support to Dolores Cannon's research, all of which you have chosen to ignore altogether. Two of the videos are Bashar videos, with explanation(s) of the existence of parallel realities. The third video was the disappearing cancer tumor video that, imo, empirically demonstrates a so-called three dimensional body transitioning itself into a parallel reality (with the help of three Asian practitioners), a parallel reality in which the physical body has no sign of there being bladder cancer.
Bashar Video 1: https://youtube.com/watch?v=DY8DsEIUqHU
Disappearing Tumor Video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TesAxbcJjQc
Bashar Video 2: https://youtube.com/watch?v=om1Rr3ra3yQ

Continuing...

Mad Hatter wrote:

I suppose we could talk about non existent dimensions and densities but I fail to see how, after using your logic to establish these as having nothing to do with reality, they play any part in shifting between the parallel realities you speak of.

Realities are many. The dream has a reality to the one that is the dreamer. While dreaming, the dreamer accepts whatever is happening as being real. It is not until the dreamer awakens does he come to understand that it was but only a dream.
Have you never talked, or given description, about one of your dreams to another individual? Had you found yourself failing in the attempt in doing so? When you fall asleep, and begin to dream, are you able to detect when this shift between the two realities has in fact occurred? From the waking state reality to the dream state reality? The body remains where it is, but a shift of realities does in fact take place.

Mad Hatter wrote:

I would draw your attention to the fact that for 90% of the planet the concept of parallel requires the existence of dimensions merely for it's expression.

Do two concepts ever physically meet? Two dreams ever have a physical meeting? When someone throws a word at you, does it really ever physically strike you? Does it make a wound if it is thrown maliciously? Or, does it simply hit & bruise the non physical entity called 'ego'. One can say it hurts, the moderators will even ban the one who threw the word. But where is the physical wound? Where is the mark upon the skin?

When words that are thrown, and you understand that they cannot hurt you, they cannot touch you, unless you allow them to touch you, unless you, yourself, accept the word that was thrown. Only when you have come to understand this, only then, have you successfully made a shift into another reality, a parallel reality, that, perhaps, 90% of people don't yet understand exists.

Language is quite limiting. Communication, in itself, often times results in miscommunication.

Best regards - turiya

[greybeard]

I would appreciate AmzerZo if you would have a look at this video
I dont have the knowledge to evaluate the possibility of any validity or not.
Ray did me the favour of listening but I wont prejudge it by giving his comments.

It relates to the thread in parallel in that Davis speaks of the possible past and future.

Chris.




David Sereda : Theoretical Physics & Spiritual Wisdom

Published on 3 Mar 2013

Author and ufologist David Sereda returned to the show to illuminate the correlations between theoretical physics and spiritual wisdom. He pointed out how the duality of human nature-- such as good and evil, is mirrored in the atomic structure with its positive and negative components. Yet, light, he said, is the only particle in physics that is non-dual or "single" even though it does encounter inertia.

Relating this to the spiritual, Sereda noted that Jesus said: "If thine ye be single, thy whole body shall be filled with light." He also cited the paper of physicist Paul Dirac, The Equation of the Sea of Negative Energy (view Don Hotson's article --PDF file-- on this topic), as first presenting the discovery of "Singularity." In such a place, duality, time and conflict no longer exist, Sereda explained.

While individuals might move towards the Singularity through prayer and meditation, he said eventually there could be a physics model for such a concept, which could allow spaceships to enter into it and travel to locations in our galaxy much faster than the current speed of light.

Biography:

David Sereda's first aspiration in life was to become an astronaut. In 1968, David and a friend witnessed a UFO along with hundreds of other witnesses. After this experience, David grew up as a UFO enthusiast never living in doubt of the phenomena that has swept the world since the Roswell incident in 1947. His interest in space, religion, philosophy, astronomy and science led him on his career in related fields. He has worked deeply in high technology, on environmental and humanitarian issues and as a professional photographer for over 20 years. He has studied world religion, science, physics and paranormal psychology for over 25 years.

Wikipedia
Theoretical physics is a branch of physics which employs mathematical models and abstractions of physics to rationalize, explain and predict natural phenomena. This is in contrast to experimental physics, which uses experimental tools to probe these phenomena.

The advancement of science depends in general on the interplay between experimental studies and theory. In some cases, theoretical physics adheres to standards of mathematical rigor while giving little weight to experiments and observations. For example, while developing special relativity, Albert Einstein was concerned with the Lorentz transformation which left Maxwell's equations invariant, but was apparently uninterested in the Michelson--Morley experiment on Earth's drift through a luminiferous ether. On the other hand, Einstein was awarded the Nobel Prize for explaining the photoelectric effect, previously an experimental result lacking a theoretical formulation.

Category

Education

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yQkjryCflQU

[Anchor]

Your effort into your response does you credit.

Posted by Mad Hatter (here)
upon re-reading my post(s) I can see how the translation of what I said through the filter of an internet forum format may have somewhat mangled the intent / humor with which it was proffered.

Thanks. You are right.

Posted by Mad Hatter (here)
Admittedly the proposed experiment methodology was a little harsh and maybe I could have toned it down to projectiles and testing for holes in blocks of wood but if by implication you are wishing to place restrictions on freedom of expression then that would be a slippery downhill path indeed.

I'm not doing that. It is a twisted interpretation of a possibility if you ask me, but you are entitled to cast those aspersions on me if you want.

Posted by Mad Hatter (here)
Either way I stand by my original proposal that such an experiment would improve the depth of the gene pool which can only be a good thing.

The notion of coaxing someone into removing themselves from the gene pool by shooting themselves is the trait of an elitist

Posted by Mad Hatter (here)
I might point out that as an eternal being with an infinity within which to pass the endless now I find the seriousness of some very amusing.

In the light of your recent epic response, this does make me grin - I am a big irony fan.


One thing is clear to me, and it is clearly getting in the way on this forum, is that a lot of words, especially:

• Density
• Dimension
• Vibration
• Manifestation
• Love
• Light

are all terms that now mean different things to different people.

It has become a minefield. It is very easy for a scientist (in the narrow and traditional sense of the word) to pick holes in the statements made by people who are using the terms in a

• new-age
• metaphysical
• pseudo-science
• stoner-philosphy

sense.

Scoring points is not really the goal. Getting to the core of it, is. Seeking the truth. We set ourselves a big challenge, and then we cant even agree on what freaking words mean. It is challenging, and I suppose seeing people making cheap jokes at the expense of people who try very very hard to get this explained frustrates me - not because I feel sorry for them, but because it seems to be designed to stomp on people trying to explain things - amidst all the challenges - and I am trying, in my own way to do the same thing. My problem seems to be is that I know things (a working knowledge, proven personally, experienced etc) that I have no words for most of the time. This forum helps me hammer out some of that stuff into words so I can share my take on stuff. What I know is not unique, I am not special, but I am on a trip which is helping me dig in to that place and excavate what may or may not be useful stuff.

All this is no excuse but I probably reacted inappropriately to your comments.

A few days ago, and I cant find it at the moment, I tried to explain a perspective where Density and Dimension could at least have some common ground between standard scientific meaning and metaphysical contexts. I know I didn't finish and maybe I cant, I didnt try yet, but now I lost the thread it was in. When I find it, I will continue there.

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons the cap of shame...

Well thank you both Turiya and Anchor plus others for putting up with my interminable idiocy. To be honest mention of Harramein appeared to push a hot button in me and thus to my shame my ego has somewhat unnecessarily de-railed the thread for which I apologise.

I thank all for taking the time out to help me recognise this and will attempt to be constructive instead of de-constructive when I next clamber on to my soapbox...

PS Turiya I will fit the Bashar material into my admittedly myopic world view when time permits...

cheers all

[onawah]

This has been an interesting discussion, and on a subject I've spent a lot of time reflecting on, and have read with interest many different takes on it.
I don't have a lot to add, except what I feel about it, which in the long run, is what is most important to me, because what we think about this subject is so hard to put into words, and words are what the mind deals in.
But the words that most fit the way I feel come from two channelers, one named Suzy Ward and the other James Tyberonn.
(Not that I agree with everything they've said, but a couple of things make sense to me.)
And the element they both focus on a lot when dealing with the subject of dimensions and ascension, which has kind of been missing from this discussion so far, I think, though I haven't read it thoroughly as yet, is Gaia.
Gaia as a living being, who is in many ways the ground of our own being as humans.
And the theory being that she has recently moved predominantly into 4D from 3D, and has given herself permission, as it were, to move into 5D at her own pace, regardless of what humankind does, and has earned that right.
Which leaves the humans who draw the energy from her that allows them to live, in the position of having to adapt to the heightened energy level she is now vibrating at.
And so the race is on now to see who can adjust, and how quickly we can adjust to this new energy, especially given that we still have a huge collective 3D mess to clean up.
And a lot of revised thinking to do about how we go about living here, if we are indeed going to continue living on this planet.

Some people are already quite comfortable in 4D and higher levels and they will vibrate from those levels, filtering out as much as they can of the old 3d paradigm that will be crumbling more quickly as time goes on.
Some are disoriented but adjusting, some are going to have a really hard time because the level of control and exploitation they have become accustomed to just doesn't make sense and is not compatible to 4D energies, which will become increasingly apparent, and they will have a hard time staying grounded and functional.
And if they can't adjust, they will cycle off this planet when they die and incarnate on worlds that are more conducive to their current karmic needs.

It will take generations for all the people who remain on the planet to become fully adjusted and operational in 4D.
How long before Gaia emerges more fully into 5D will probably depend on how things go from there.
But my feeling is that there will be no going back because Gaia is stronger than all of us put together, and has her own path that she is following, which will not be allowed to be compromised by humankind.
And I agree that there are and are going to be more many highly evolved souls incarnating here to make certain of that.

The more we honor her and connect with her, the easier it will be for those of us who intend to remain and go with her on the journey.

[greybeard]

I was listening to Adyashanti who in humorous form said.

"If the pilgrims wandered into the promised land, without a change of consciousness what would they then create?"

The answer is

You can work that out for your self.

That was from a talk of quite a few years ago but its relevant to this thread.

Chris

[wolfgaze]

I haven't read her books but I've listened to a few of her interviews. Some of what she says I find interesting. I do believe that information can be ascertained from individuals under hypnosis. That being said, the problem I have with her information/messages is that she cannot explain the things she says will happen with any details or specificity. She will tell you 'what' will happen, but she cannot tell you exactly 'how', 'why', or 'when'.

I like to remain and open-minded as possible but I have a hard time conceptualizing how she describes that individuals will separate between dimensions and how some individuals will not know what has happened. How can that be? How would such a 'split' occur slowly and gradually as she offers???

I might lend more credence to her message if it was more in-depth and detailed and actually explained the causal mechanism and assumed 'science' of how such an event could and would transpire. As spiritually-minded as I am, I am still a logical thinker and need to know DETAILS about complex ideas and conceptualizations before I can really internalize them and feel there is 'truth' behind them. If there were going to be a dimensional 'split', I need to identify the causal mechanism and the sceience behind the process.

Now if she said a 'galactic superwave' (Dr. Laviolette's theory) was going to pass through the Earth and cause this or she said the light/energy from Supernova 1987A (Bill Donahue's theory) was going to cause this 'event', I might lend more credence to her message(s). I fear 10 years from now we may be having the same discussion.

[turiya]

Dolores Cannon Updated Interview Coast to Coast AM - April 4 2013 - Lost Knowledge & Aliens
Dolores talks about other dimensions, parallel realities, Convoluted Universe Theory Book 4, "The Three Waves of Volunteers & The New Earth", The Prime Directive, "We are existing in many dimensions at the same time."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=t9Jm9xMePTU

Uploaded on Apr 5, 2013
Date: 04-04-13
Host: George Noory
Guests: Dolores Cannon, Mark Lerner

Past-life regressionist and hypnotherapist Dolores Cannon specializes in the recovery and cataloging of "Lost Knowledge" and metaphysical information which she acquires by taking clients into a deep trance state, without interference from the conscious mind. We exist within multiple dimensions, and move between them without our conscious awareness, she said. Dimensions vibrate at different frequencies, and this is one of the ways that ETs travel-- they raise the frequency of their craft to exit (which to us looks like they are disappearing), or lower their vibration (become denser) to enter, she detailed.

Cannon believes that ETs seeded Earth and created humans, who were given free will to see how they would develop. A kind of 'prime directive' is in effect, so the aliens cannot directly intervene, and that is why they have been known as 'the Watchers' for eons, she remarked. To get around the directive, waves of people known as "volunteers," some who are aliens in human form, have been incarnating to Earth in increasing numbers since 1945 and the explosion of the atomic bomb, and are here to get humankind back on track, she reported. Some of these 'volunteers' are pure souls who are not burdened with karma, yet the first wave (now in their 40s and 50s) have struggled with the violence of the world, and feelings of alienation, she said.

Regarding alien abductions, Cannon explained that the ETs are simply monitoring their own 'volunteers,' and making sure their physical bodies can handle the stresses of Earth-- that's why the implants are there, to track them so they can help at any time. The hybrids they're creating are being taken to other planets that need DNA to adapt to various conditions, she continued. Interestingly, she declared that a hidden civilization exists underground on our planet, with entrances underneath various pyramids. The Hall of Records exists underneath the Sphinx, but it's protected by an energy field so only the right kind of person would be able to access it, she added.
North Korea in Astrology

First hour guest, astrologer Mark Lerner talked about world astrology and in particular the situation with North Korea and Kim Jong Un, whose chart indicates unpredictable value systems based on the position of Venus. This November will start Kim Jong Un's Saturn Return cycle (which happens every 30 years), in which he'll have to take on more responsibilities. This coincides with a Uranus/Pluto squaring which mirrors a time period in the 1930s when several dictators emerged, he noted.

turiya

[Mandala]

Turiya, Very good interview and nice summary. Thank you Araucaria for beginning the thread, I like Dolores Cannon.

I like that she says, ask questions and find out for yourself.

[Rania]

Thanks Camilo, very intresting