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    We are suckered into 99% discussion and 1% action. Let us get off our butts and TAKE ACTION. We need ACTION more than meditating in the forest right now. Both are good, but we are out of balance.


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    I hate to sound like an army officer - but we need both the anchors and the sails. While sailing, the anchors can rest. While anchored, the sails can rest.

    Then, not only do we need anchors and sails - we also need those who are good at recognizing professional trolls and agitators. This may seem trivial to most, but I've always appreciated those willing to get rid of that 1% of uncertainty by pointing out the potential 1% bull****, even if that makes them look trivial themselves. Because often, it's the small things that eventually mislead into giant things, when not paid attention to.

    Then we need engineers....then we need telescopes.....then we need.......argh. We need everyone!
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    We are suckered into 99% discussion and 1% action. Let us get off our butts and TAKE ACTION. We need ACTION more than meditating in the forest right now. Both are good, but we are out of balance.

    I agree, and I have "let go" my need to change the world. I discuss things on this forum with others, but basically everyone doesn't give a $h!t. I believe in Delores Cannon's idea that we are "antennas" - that us knowing what's going on and trying to stay on the right-side of history is enough. So we don't need to go out and start arresting the illuminati, etc.
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    The system will slowly choke itself out. But until then....the very word "secrecy" is repugnant.
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    We are suckered into 99% discussion and 1% action. Let us get off our butts and TAKE ACTION. We need ACTION more than meditating in the forest right now. Both are good, but we are out of balance.

    Ever tried "action"?

    I have, I've started a task force, I'm the Vice President of a survival response/education group, I'm in the national guard and throughout these efforts, hundreds of hours of meetings, charity events and various other activities I found some basic, unavoidable obsticals:

    People are:
    not ready yet.
    Mostly Self-centered/absorbed.
    Easily mislead & nearly impossible to shift from "group think".
    Biased.
    Afraid.


    And so much more, untill that changes, or you find the 100th monkey I don't think your ideas of "action" will go far; unless you're thinking about some commando style "one man vrs the world". But I don't think much would come of that (I've thought about it before )
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    I think there are infinite 100th monkeys. Only problem is the distance between each one is still too far apart at the current moment.
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    We are suckered into 99% discussion and 1% action. Let us get off our butts and TAKE ACTION. We need ACTION more than meditating in the forest right now. Both are good, but we are out of balance.

    Well Phoenix, I'm with you I feel exactly the same way. So do you have any ideas, thoughts?

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    People are taking action.

    The way I see it, this will increase.

    What we need is for the trickle of rocks to become an avalanche - one that cannot be held back or interfered with.
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    People are taking action.

    The way I see it, this will increase.

    What we need is for the trickle of rocks to become an avalanche - one that cannot be held back or interfered with.
    Thats a good way of putting it. We should not take it for granted that so many people are waking up, it the truth is spreading, thats for sure. So lets get some ideas going, what can we do top speed it up? Its not really that I am impatient, its just that I want to get more involved, and I want to do something big, I want to see the human race get of there knees

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    The opening post is based on the false premise that action and words are opposed. Not so.

    Wars can be stopped by discussion, also known as diplomacy. The fact that they often go ahead anyway is a sign that people often want action more than they want peace.

    I take the view that the pen is mightier than the sword, and that people’s civilized exchanging of opinions and information on forums like this is in itself a game changer. There are certain things in the real world that are no longer possible to anyone participating in such discussions.


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    As I've already mentioned - it's ok for those who feel there's "not enough action". Sometimes a reminder annoys, but nevertheless that's ok.
    Action takes place in all forms, as well as discussions.
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    As I've already mentioned - it's ok for those who feel there's "not enough action". Sometimes a reminder annoys, but nevertheless that's ok.
    Action takes place in all forms, as well as discussions.
    This is very true, but if discussion is seen as dithering, this can be discouraging and demobilizing. You have to act within your own area of skills. A wordsmith will act in words. He may want to bring down the Fed, but will have to leave the hands-on side of the operation to those skilled in that field. The discussion is an important part of this process, producing the groundswell that is the prerequisite for things getting done.


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    I couldn't agree with you more. We do talk a lot, but that is extremely important. We must talk in order to enlighten one another. This is the only way will be able to learn from one another.

    As far as taking action, the biggest problem that we have is cooperation and cohesion. We have cohesion within Avalon, but it can't stop on our door step. We need to be unified with other websites and groups. Strength is in numbers and each group by themselves can do little. However, as a whole much more can be done. It's like a single battalion's effect during a war. They can accomplish some, but five battalions can accomplish much more.

    I appreciate this forum and the people here immensely and sometimes find myself greedily absorbing for my own self interests and enlightenment, but sometimes I also feel helpless to challenge the TPTB and their wreckless policies. You are correct, there is much more to be done.
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    There are many small actions that can be taken, but because they are small, their value is often underestimated. Also their motives are sometimes fear-based. For example, growing your own food has been misdirected into being in readiness for some major catastrophe when the real value of the exercise is the relationship to nature, and the production of healthy food, the two going hand in hand. You don't do it either to get more trucks off the roads, even though this would be one positive outcome.

    Little steps are what we need. We've had enough of the big stuff. And if people are looking for a moral to the damp squib impression they have of last Friday, this could be it.


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    Please tell what actions you are taking now, and what do you suggest?


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    We are suckered into 99% discussion and 1% action. Let us get off our butts and TAKE ACTION. We need ACTION more than meditating in the forest right now. Both are good, but we are out of balance.


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    We are suckered into 99% discussion and 1% action. Let us get off our butts and TAKE ACTION. We need ACTION more than meditating in the forest right now.
    As long as 'we' are not acting in conscious unity, 'our' actions will be divided no matter what we'll do as a collective group. Unfortunately not many know that all that we see, in actuality is a 'spiritual battle' inside each one of 'us'. To change 'our' reality each one of 'us' has to change ("Be the change you want to see in the world" ~ Gandhi), and then come in unity consciousness with the 'others' as a 'Single Collective Mind'.

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    Both are good, but we are out of balance.
    You nailed it here -- but do we really know what is out of balance? To be more concise, here is an article that explains it pretty well. Hope this helps and makes sense.
    Also the video below is worth a 'thousand words'...


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    You'll then become enlightened able to just BE.

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    Quote Posted by Phoenix (here)
    We are suckered into 99% discussion and 1% action. Let us get off our butts and TAKE ACTION. We need ACTION more than meditating in the forest right now. Both are good, but we are out of balance.
    Ever tried "action"? I have, I've started a task force, I'm the Vice President of a survival response/education group, I'm in the national guard and throughout these efforts, hundreds of hours of meetings, charity events and various other activities I found some basic, unavoidable obsticals:

    People are:
    not ready yet.
    Mostly Self-centered/absorbed.
    Easily mislead & nearly impossible to shift from "group think".
    Biased.
    Afraid.


    And so much more, untill that changes, or you find the 100th monkey I don't think your ideas of "action" will go far; unless you're thinking about some commando style "one man vrs the world". But I don't think much would come of that (I've thought about it before )
    You're telling it like it is! I'm afraid that since no-one is fighting now, that in the future when the US is dis-armed & when mass arrests and disappearances start, no-one will fight then. When a "Mark of the Beast" system comes in, no-one will fight then - because we're "Mostly Self-centered/absorbed. Easily mislead & nearly impossible to shift from "group think" and always will be. If this happens we're not going to make it to any "Enlightenment/Ascension." But I still think the answer lies in "awake" people acting like antennas and "forcing" the Universe into a positive timeline, by not giving into evil.
    “There is no coming to consciousness without pain. People will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own soul. One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious.” -- Carl Jung

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    Quote Posted by Phoenix (here)
    We are suckered into 99% discussion and 1% action. Let us get off our butts and TAKE ACTION. We need ACTION more than meditating in the forest right now. Both are good, but we are out of balance.

    Ever tried "action"?

    I have, I've started a task force, I'm the Vice President of a survival response/education group, I'm in the national guard and throughout these efforts, hundreds of hours of meetings, charity events and various other activities I found some basic, unavoidable obsticals:

    People are:
    not ready yet.
    Mostly Self-centered/absorbed.
    Easily mislead & nearly impossible to shift from "group think".
    Biased.
    Afraid.


    And so much more, untill that changes, or you find the 100th monkey I don't think your ideas of "action" will go far; unless you're thinking about some commando style "one man vrs the world". But I don't think much would come of that (I've thought about it before )
    Hey TargeT,

    I appreciate you and I appreciate your efforts.

    My comment was simply directed towards the need for more doing rather than discussing. Or maybe that is simply what I need to do, and nobody else. I don't know, that's why I wrote it.

    IMO: No obstacle is "unavoidable." How can anyone measure the impact of taking action everyday in some form or another? They can't - it's impossible. Every thought, emotion and action is infinitely going towards the expansion or contraction of consciousness (my opinion).

    Live rich TargeT!

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    We are suckered into 99% discussion and 1% action. Let us get off our butts and TAKE ACTION. We need ACTION more than meditating in the forest right now. Both are good, but we are out of balance.

    Well Phoenix, I'm with you I feel exactly the same way. So do you have any ideas, thoughts?

    JP
    hi JP, good to hear.

    Yes, I do have thoughts and ideas. I will be writing a series of threads soon about my recent endeavors; I will link them back to here when I write them.

    Phoenix

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    My point here is simply that we can talk about planting an apple tree all day, but we need to actually go out and do the sowing.

    No amount of discussion and/or meditation will plant and in turn reap us apples.

    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    There are certain things in the real world that are no longer possible to anyone participating in such discussions.
    We are each the makers of our 'real world.' What is no longer possible? IMO, anything is possible.

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