(Scientific) Evidence for What's Coming

[Swami]

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[samvado]

Posted by Gestalt (here)
I was being sarcastic by laughing at you sam.

that did not escape me :-)

I consider you to be quite well read and educated, however I think there was a clear misunderstanding here and maybe a bit of jumping to conclusions on your part. I can understand how you might interpret the rising voltage in conductors as 'melting', however bashi never used such terminology or made such conclusions.
The technical language and worst case probabilities discussed in this thread might lead one to believe a CME would send us to the stone age,

I certainly dont want to be alarmist, in fact I am probaly one of the more rational forum members. but pls consider this:

1) 1859 is only 150 years away, a small period of time - that event was borderline destructive, it would not haVE SENT US TO STONEAGE but would have created large failures in the grid and com systems.
2) The sun is capable of much larger CMEs - if it gets a lot worse (say 500% more) how will that affect the grid?
3) even about the 1859 event this has been said:

Other anecdotal tales of the “Great Super Flare of 1959” include telegraph operators getting shocked by their equipment, sometimes even after the battery was disconnected! ..... One telegraph office was even known to have caught fire as a result of the current induced by the storm.

source

4) what EXACTLY did bashi mean when he on page 12 said:

These induced electric fields of the GICs are in the range of 5-10 V/km only.
They would not hurt you. Also computers or any stand-alone electronic equipment is unlikely to get affected, as long as not connected to long exterior cables (power-grid, telephone line).
For example: If you attach an antenna of 1 meter length to the power-supply of your PC, it will add only 0.005-0.010 Volts; compared to 110 Volts its nothing. Therefore all the prep with faraday-cages are useless.
It would not help, because there is no need for it, in case of an E3 pulse.
So, if you want to prepare for that, then what should you do?

You will need to prepare for a life without electricity, far away from cities and towns. Learn how to live without all these extras, acquire basic knowledge of essential processes.
Basically become a prepper and
For a worst case scenario: Learn how to live without food.
Oh yes, i am serious!

[Peace of Mind]

could this be other possible evidence to what is coming?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=spQM5FBQGsc

tbh...i can hardly wait to conclude these next few years. i'm kinda getting tired of all the speculations and negative treatment of each other.

Peace

[Nagual]

Giant asteroid to hit earth november 8 2011 ???

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MP0US7UmL0g

https://youtube.com/watch?v=MP0US7UmL0g

[bashi]

Posted by samvado (here)
that did not escape me :-)



I certainly dont want to be alarmist, in fact I am probaly one of the more rational forum members. but pls consider this:

1) 1859 is only 150 years away, a small period of time - that event was borderline destructive, it would not haVE SENT US TO STONEAGE but would have created large failures in the grid and com systems.
2) The sun is capable of much larger CMEs - if it gets a lot worse (say 500% more) how will that affect the grid?

Yes sam, you are right. This is what i hinted at, when i referred to solar events of the YOUNGER PAST, many posts earlier.
I will post something regarding the ancient time...

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[bashi]

BTW, has anybody noticed the geo-mag storm of today?

[Gestalt]

Were experiencing a geomagnetic storm right now!
Prepare yourselves, head for the hills!!!!

http://www.n3kl.org/sun/noaa.html

[bashi]

Yes, BTW, head for the hill... i am there

But,

- from where did it come?
- had there been any warning?

[Emmanuel]

I just found this from 2006 "intended for discussion only" http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/he...colobus_63.htm

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Hey Gestalt & Bashi are you serious or I still have time to tour Europe next month?

[bashi]

Posted by Emmanuel (here)
I just found this from 2006 "intended for discussion only" http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/he...colobus_63.htm

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Hey Gestalt & Bashi are you serious or I still have time to tour Europe next month?

No, relax. I just made a follow up from Gestalt.
sorry, i know its not good.
i dont think there is something to this storm. the magnetic variation is not high.

[zelda]

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/today.html

[Gestalt]

Back on subject. After doing extensive reading on CME's and the effect on the electrical grid, I would say there is room for moderate concern if a Carrington (1859) event were to occur again in the near future.

A lot of the effects of such an event are unknown, because it is incredibly hard to model GICs, but needless to say it would be safe to assume transmission and power lines should be ok. The only real concern is transformers that are not adequately protected. Newer transformers should be, and larger ones providing central grid support ones should be as well. In a worst case scenario hundreds of substation TX's might blow, knocking out electricity to some areas for at worst several years.

The primary concern is GIC entering TX's via their neutral grounding point. However this can be easily remedied utilizing a relatively cheap neutral ground resistor like so:




It is up to governments and municipalities to ensure these protective measures have been taken. And this is the part that concerns me the most. Supposedly Canada is fully prepared, and the US seems to be about 50% prepared as of right now, but Obama has plans for modernizing the grid which gives me hope there. I can't comment on Europe, but seems the UK is aware of these problems and is implementing protective measures.

If a Carrington event were to occur again, blackouts might ensue for several days. This is normal and power should come back on shortly. If massive amounts of current were to enter into the grid, relays would trip in order to protect the grid. Depending on the length of bombardment the grid might stay off until the event passes. In any case I don't think it will send us back to the stone age, so I wouldn't stay awake at night worrying about it.

For more information check these resources:

Kappenmans original Presentation:
http://www.midwestreliability.org/00..._Dec1_2009.pdf

An excellent wired article about this:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/04/2012storms/

Severe Space Weather Events--Understanding Societal and Economic Impacts: A Workshop Report
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12507&page=77

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bashi,
how would a destructive blast of CME compare to a desctructive power of a "blackout bomb/graphite bomb", for example...just trying to imagine how bad a bad CME can be...
lithe

bashi:

Are you referring to a manmade or natural phenomena?

both

one is man made, another natural...how do they compare?
- about the same
- natural somewhat worse, or
- natural a lot worse

- depends on good/bad luck

thanks l

[bashi]

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bashi,
how would a destructive blast of CME compare to a desctructive power of a "blackout bomb/graphite bomb", for example...just trying to imagine how bad a bad CME can be...
lithe




how do they compare?
- about the same
- natural somewhat worse, or
- natural a lot worse

- depends on good/bad luck

thanks l

Manmade: I think you got a taste of it in Serbia, when NATO used these:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/blu-114.htm

These bombs interrupt only temporarily the grid without destroying the infrastructure.
They are childs-game against nature's bombs.

There is a good example for it: The Clovis-comet, which blew up North America 12900 years ago.
It was a one time event, not Nibiru.
Interesting is how fiercly main stream science is fighting this hypothesis. The scientists had to address the public directly to make their results known.
That make someone think...

General overview:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QKoG5AVb1MY

Scientific public presentation (7 parts):

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=f1GCgOI3B1o

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[bashi]

Posted by Gestalt (here)


For more information check these resources:

Kappenmans original Presentation:
http://www.midwestreliability.org/00..._Dec1_2009.pdf


http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12507&page=77

Nice post Gestalt, but the first link is experiencing a CME (Connection Mess Event).

[lightblue]

Manmade: I think you got a taste of it in Serbia, when NATO used these:

don’t i know it? your bet is good…that’s why i wanted a comparison, my question was clear enough, didn't need clarification you were after

how would a destructive blast of CME compare to a desctructive power of a "blackout bomb/graphite bomb", for example...just trying to imagine how bad a bad CME can be...

never mind, i take it you meant CME is a lot worse. ..
i didn’t care to hear about the comets, but thanks anyway..l

[bashi]

Posted by lightblue (here)
don’t i know it? your bet is good…that’s why i wanted a comparison, my question was clear enough, didn't need clarification you were after
never mind, i take it you meant CME is a lot worse. ..
i didn’t care to hear about the comets, but thanks anyway..l

Dont worry, the roller-coaster post is coming; but not today.

[lightblue]

i don't worry and i won't care for roller-coaster posts..all yours...i lost interest.
best wishes l

[Gestalt]

Posted by bashi (here)
Nice post Gestalt, but the first link is experiencing a CME (Connection Mess Event).

Huh? Please explain. What is a Connection Mess Event?
On slide 19 it specifically states: Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) I am very confused as to what you are referring too.

[debzqld]

lol smat - you hit it on the head - there is just so much going on - like you I have read it all too - it's no wonder people are hiding in front of the tv though - it is too much for most to comprehend. Like you I plant little seeds of thought - but most look at me wide-eyed in sheer disblief (even when I barely touch on 'out-there' topics and respond: 'that' can't possibly happen or be going on, or simply state: well I haven't seen anything about that on tv, in the news or in the newspapers! And I respond well you won't either because that would cause mass hysteria. I tell them that: "the internet is there for those who have a desire to re-educate themselves and this way only the seekers and truly curious will search for what really is going on in the world around them. If you don't know wheere to start I am happy to show you". The truth is we may all sort of look alike from the physical aspect - but our evolution on the inside is all over the place. Tread gently my friend as I am sure you are and keep researching. Peace.