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    Quote What enables us to resume/re-gain our natural innocence
    I like this question a-Bob.

    This is what I was working on before I got into to all the conspiracy and new age stuff.

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    Quote Posted by gooty64 (here)
    Quote What enables us to resume/re-gain our natural innocence
    I like this question a-Bob.

    This is what I was working on before I got into to all the conspiracy and new age stuff.
    Yep, which perhaps is a good pointer to the possibility that the "conspiracy and new age stuff" is a test to see if we can be distracted from the inquiry into who we really are and what we're here to do.

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    I'd say half the reclamation if a value could be put on it would simply be getting out from under their mind and the toxicity of emotions it generates. We would at least be in a better place to know how to reclaim innocence. Seriously when someone is holding your head underwater no one is thinking "Gee this is good time to start that new Jane Fonda Work out".

    A return to innocence.....It won't get your virginity back though

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    Becoming annoyed by insanity is a fairly healthy emotion. So their mind likes this idea of self reflection as a tool of self excavation. It can’t use it but it can manipulate others with the concept.

    When you thus become annoyed by them then they can absolve themselves of all blame.

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    Brilliant!

    How many "mirrors" have been put up by this "their" (reactive) mind in front of disagreeing faces in order to never address the point of contention?
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    Where you alternately want to puke and scream laughter at the same time.

    I'm glad I didn't mention the Brady Bunch deck and the Malibu Barbie Deck.

    Now that you've brought that corruption into my thread you have to give me a reading with them.

    Actually the Brady Bunch deck would be very archetypical.... or ...is it that stereotypical I'm thinking of.

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    Holy Crap. I wondered if you were kidding. I can't say how much this appeals to my irreverence/reverence.

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    The contention, problem, idea, whatever is never addressed. The idea is never debated over, it becomes a personal attack.

    Them: 2+5= twenty-eleventy.

    Us: No its 7. Produces two thumbs and five fingers and counts off 1,2,3,4,5,6,7. See. Evidence.
    Us: Why would you attempt to pervert mathematics in such a fashion?
    US. Where did you ever come up with that?

    Them: YOUR ANGRY!
    Them: Your not spiritual like us!

    That's not only annoying its them trying to create loosh. Make them angry enough and the their mind will get its loosh while leaving people looking like right girt idiots and the annoyed people are escorted from the room, so the idiots can start their system on someone else with the their mind that is well fed on anger.

    Sound sane?

    No?

    Why do we keep doing it?

    Because we are conditioned to always protect 'their' mind.

    And so until we lose that conditioning nothing will change. That's why nothing HAS changed.
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    Ok, so at this point I'm wondering if I'm on the right track as far as the topic of discussion here on this thread is concerned...

    It seems to me, based on my initial understanding at least, that there are a few key (and common) factors involved when it comes to minimizing the potential influence or impact of 'their' mind in any given situation.

    Firstly, I suppose it goes without saying that one must have awareness of the fact that there is a 'right' mind and a 'their' mind to begin with.

    Secondly, it seems fairly obvious that one must also have sufficient knowledge/understanding of the two mind states in order to be able to correctly identify and differentiate between them.

    Thirdly, it makes sense that one must have the presence of mind (and composure) to be able to take a step back from a situation when they suspect 'their' mind might be influencing one or more parties involved in that situaiton.

    And finally, it seems logical that one must be able to adequately assess each individual involved in the situation (including themselves) in order to establish who is using 'right' mind and who is using 'their' mind, so that the most approriate course of action or approach can then be taken.

    At which point, it makes sense to me that if a person has identifed themselves as being the one operating from a 'their' mind state, that the best course of action would be to remove themselves from the siutation and take a moment to try and figure out why that might be the case.

    Similarly, it would seem that if a person has identifed other individuals involved in the situation (i.e. not themselves) as operating from a 'their' mind state (and feel they themselves are in 'right' mind), that this person should again remove themselves from the situtation... because (if I understand this correctly) a person using 'right' mind cannot effectively communicate rational thoughts or ideas with a person who is operating from an irrational 'their' mind state. (?)

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    To be honest, I'm not so sure that what I have outlined above is an accurate representation of the basic processes involved in dealing with 'their' mind. Nevertheless, I'm sure that if I've missed something important or taken something out of context that someone here will be able to point me in the right direction and set me straight.

    Having said that, I am wondering... does it seem logical for me to conclude that no matter what the situation at hand might be, if a person has established that 'their' mind is manifesting itself in one or more idndividuals involved in the situation, that the best option at that point would always be to walk away and forget about the prospect of finding a workable resolution?


    Any thoughts, comments, and/or suggestions regarding this would be appreciated...
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    Yep you summed it up fairly well. A right mind that spirit is capable of working through..... and then the left mind. Spirit won't work through there. Spirit is not insane. It will not inhabit an insane mind and empower it to do even greater acts of insanity.



    Having said that, I am wondering... does it seem logical for me to conclude that no matter what the situationat at hand might be, if a person has established that 'their' mind is manifesting itself in one or more idndividuals involved in a situation, that the best option at that point would always be to walk away from the siutation and forget about any propect of finding a workable resolution?


    Well yeah you can count on that no 'workable' solution will be found. A solution to keep their safe environment will always be had.

    Ah..the crux of the matter. What do we do. Call it out, identify it, warn?

    You can't ignore it, it wants your energy. You can't fight with it because it wants your energy. You can only employ logic with it, it doesn't understand reason.

    Or leave it alone to breed? It doesn't want you doing anything. This is our social norm, it's created a very safe environment for itself. The very fact you are observing it is a heinous sin to its mind.

    With people who are mostly in their right mind, on the threshold of the right mind, or really in the right mind but the mother in law's voice is still really loud, you can pull them aside and go "pssst you are thinking with their mind"

    And they'll stop dead in their tracks and start to self reflect.

    But for the rest of them on the collective level you can't do that. Its socio-pathic in nature so it seems grotesque to 'just' let the environment be taken over. Cowardly even. We have no right to bitch about anything if we are not doing something about 'their' mind.

    And a lot of them have no 'right' mind to move back to.

    But then a great deal of conflict will be raised if you 'do' something about it. That's wrong too, remember its created a fail-safe environment where the innocent will get hung and the guilty go out to spread and breed. People just want 'peace' not conflict not realizing that all we have to look forward to is conflict.

    I have even hopefully approached spirit and said, "can I count on some sort of mass conscious shifting event you know to burn out the their mind? Some sort of planetary event. Because basically I don't see how 7 billion people can be fixed without some global event?"

    Spirit always says "Ha ha, you know better, now go and do your work. Here's your spade go clean the Aegean stables."

    Adn then calls after, " you don't have to do it alone, maybe find some others who are in their right minds, want to be in their right minds? Oh and this doesn't all have to be accomplished in one life time"

    Even right minded people are not aware that their mind composes at least, at THE least, 80 percent of the population. It's infiltrated everywhere. Even though we have vast amounts of readily available knowledge, symptoms, detailed specifics on the programs they run...nothing changes. Again the safe environment--its rude to confront their mind. You're bad, rude, angry whatever character flaw they can summon.

    These are not our political leaders or powers that be, this is people all around us in spiritual and religious communities, 'nice' people, people in internet forums, people in the alternative community, neighbors, family.

    So that is the crux of the situation. What do we do. This is not a situation where one person can do everything or even anything. One person on an individual level can do the measures that you suggested. But do we abandon right minded people. I don't think right minded people can abandon each other. I've never ever been in a situation where the herd was attacking and another right minded person didn't step up and call it out.

    Whatever is to be done, it will cause a great deal of conflict.

    But as I was responding to this post I was skyping with another forum member and he nogged me noggin.

    But ..Complete social and economic breakdown, the grid goes down, and the basis of our 'their mind' its 'safe' environment crumbles.



    Ah...what will 'their' mind do. Their mind people can be counted on to do what their mind has always done. What they do right now.

    1) wait for someone to save (feed) them (in packs), cry, whine, mewl and make someone feel sorry for them

    2) rape, violation, energy theft, run in packs


    What will right minded people do. Take them in, feed them so they leech and continue to spread their infection. Maybe, but....maybe not. But the righ minded may be interested to know that is where they can get the upper hand by saying to these lost people "You have a choice. I will keep you and feed you but in return you are going to do something about that mind you are using."

    For the rest.....they will very likely turn on each other and destroy themselves once right minded people determine they will not be running the rape, violation, energy theft on their few remaining members.

    I see a lot of David Wilocks in the world and always see them being Neidermeijered when such an event should occur. In 2012 they bought his books, in 2015 they ate him with pine nuts and a dash of red pepper.



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    Hey OP, will Free Energy fix "their mind" problem?

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    We are their free energy units.

    "OUR' free energy is a different matter. I'm not saying that free energy devices don't exist, or can't be made. I'm saying nothing is really free, an exchange has to be made to keep any energy in motion. What we experience is paying 45 dollars for a 1 worth of energy.

    I hate my electric bill really I do but no one is holding me by the throat in Frozen Michigan. I've had electric bills that were 900 dollars (i could then afford to pay such a thing) but no one held a gun to my head and shouted, heat 2500 square feet of space in a house that is insulated for sub tropic weather. It is a source of aggravation to me, so I got a wood stove, and am re-thinking some other options including moving somewhere where half my money isn't spent trying to stay warm.

    Any energy device made or created is not going to be 'free' one has purchase materials to make it. people who know the device to keep it running. Free doesn't mean that it will never break down.

    One could learn to build a free energy device but they will still have to spend on materials and repairs. I've seen lots of schematics and talk of free energy, I've seen members here posting up their own energy devices, some of them crude, but the effort was made. I'd like to say I don't have the brain power to do that but I say that about a lot of things I managed to do on my own by staying in my right mind.

    I think the concept of 'free' energy is really theirs in terms of the words itself FREE Energy.. They are accustomed to just taking and having everything for free. Energy is mutually reciprocal. They know this. Thats why there is so much "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours' policies in their dealings.

    But yes if right minded people were the ones to manage the whole proposition you would see a transformed energetic world.

    One day someone in their right mind will create a device, eschew all 'their' trappings and begin to offer it to right minded people either in construct or schematics...for free. Those people in their right mind will offer an equal exchange of energy, perhaps based on how much they saved being off the tit of ''their' grid, so the person can continue their work of providing 'free' energy.

    That person who does that will be summarily attacked by 'their' mind. In our best interests I think its a good idea to prevent attack on that person.

    Right now we have a 'gimme' gimme attitude about free energy that is their rather parasitical nature at work. Using 'their' mind to determine how things should be with energy outside the natural occurring circumstances of energy.
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    Thanks 9eagle9. I would suggest the bright side is that there has been some change, but for the most part it has been on an individual basis. You yourself noted how you rooted out the envious energies in your personal sphere. I too would like to pursue a more systemic, cultural solution, but perhaps we have not reached the tipping point in which that becomes possible (especially if you're right about the 80% using 'their' mind). What we don't know for certain is if right mindedness is becoming more prevalent (even if subtly or very slightly), or perhaps more people are coming into a state of being where being right minded is now possible?

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    So that is the crux of the situation. What do we do. This is not a situation where one person can do everything or even anything. One person on an individual level can do the measures that you suggested. But do we abandon right minded people. I don't think right minded people can abandon each other. I've never ever been in a situation where the herd was attacking and another right minded person didn't step up and call it out.

    Whatever is to be done, it will cause a great deal of conflict.
    I would love to offer a solution, but so far I've got nothing unfortunately...
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    A solution is not necessary if the problem no longer exists. We are given this life, our life, to manage. Mass solutions unfortunately clump in other 'their' minds so are dead in the water before they are even concieved. Often times the people advocating 'their' solutions don't practice them themselves.

    A solution then turns into an idle belief.

    The one thing the course in miracles falls down on is the presumption that if you fix your own mind, other minds will follow. That is not true. Lots of people fixed their own minds but i didn't see a whole lot following suit. I am left to conclude that in fixing one's self one is no longer contributing to the matrix field they are used for as batteries to keep the field up. You are no longer damaging your brother. Instead people take a course in miracles and turn into a means of being self righteous 'I'm so pure" . They are no longer perhaps putting the field up but neither are they doing anything in educating others in how they contribute to that field. That is not helping your brother.

    Many people would be appalled and have expressed how appalled they were at how they contributed to the matrix field, building their own prison for themselves and others.

    Other's don't care or dismiss it. In the 'their' mind purity it doesn't apply to them.

    I know when I contribute to that field or one of the 'their' minds are dogging me for a reactive state I'm not doing myself or even people I really don't much like in the first place any favors. Yes even though I am not rapturously in love with the whole world neither do I want to contribute to the prison that people create for themselves.

    I employ a little humour in dealing with 'their' mind. For MY own sake, because any humour directed at their mind takes it all too seriously, feels like its being mocked and it does not like that. It looshes its host still but do you take all the humour and laughter out of the world so it can feel safe?

    Sending love to their mind is no solution. Laughing at it is, humour is high vibration. Logic has a certain ironic bent to it especially when its employed in the midst of a great self created drama. Their mind perceives this as hatred, arrogance and mocking.

    Right minded people don't mind a little fun poked at them. They can laugh at themselves.

    Gooty is a good one for that, for an immediate example, his humorous view of the world causes one to laugh instead of despair. He has no answers but he's not further entrenching in the world in the field.

    Like the move the Matrix showed. People used as batteries to keep the Matrix in place. The energy of others to keep the matrix in place.

    No philosophy is complete and people turn things into a religion. The course in Miracles Practices however can breakdown help one initialize a breakdown of their mind.

    Like Pyromania "It drives it crazier" You drive something crazy enough it has an utter breakdown. The entire construct bursts at the seams. It was hard, it was depressing, my 'their' mind fought and attacked and yanked the chains of my emotional field but I could feel the change come over me. But eventually over a few week span I had that break I was initiating a clear separation of my right mind and their mind.

    I am not saying ACIM is the solution for everyone i'm sure there's similar practices. But their mind can take anything and twist any practice and philosophy as a means to serve itself.

    But I had a crack to work in that allowed something purer to come in. And then when that happened I owned my own knowing, and it just expands outwards and keeps expanding sucking up that space so the 'their' mind has a harder time existing.

    I know lots of right minded people who never went anywhere near ACIM, it just happened to be the tool I worked in for a very intense period of time. As I grew more right minded I could see that the philosophical aspect of it was very flawed and not very comprehensive in terms of understanding the problem, or addressed individual needs. It needed sister and companion disciplines to make it work worthy.

    ACIM doesn't fully lend a complete understanding, and one can get stuck there. It is meant to be transcended by one's own knowing. I stay out of the religious philosophical part of it because I can see how that could so easily be re-translated by their mind. And when one has their knowing they can transcend ACIM. But the practices are quite good for breaking down 'their' mind.

    If anyone has other practices for breaking down the 'their' mind I'd love to hear them. It's really about mental discipline, when one learns that the learn to keep their emotional state cleaner.

    But basically that's where I'm at. Not repairing, building, contributing to the matrix field that holds us. That's the only thing I can do for all of humanity in one shot-not feed the field. Eventually if we get enough people and it doesn't have to be everyone then the field gets weak. All energetic fields need a feed.
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    If anyone has other pratices for breaking down the 'their' mind I'd love to hear them. It's really about mental discipline, when one learns that the learn to keep their emotional state cleaner.
    "People often ask how the mind is controlled. I say to them, 'Show me the mind and then
    you will know what to do.' The fact is that the mind is only a bundle of thoughts. How can you extinguish it by the thought of doing so or by a desire? Your thoughts and desires are part and parcel of the mind. The mind is simply fattened by new thoughts rising up. Therefore it is foolish to attempt to kill the mind by means of the mind. The only way of doing it is to find its source and hold on to it. The mind will then fade away of its own accord."

    ~Sri Ramana Maharshi


    Quote "But basically that's where I'm at. Not repairing, building, contributing to the matrix field that holds us. That's the only thing I can do for all of humanity in one shot-not feed the field. Eventually if we get enough people and it doesn't have to be everyone then the field gets week. All energetic fields need a feed.
    Nisargadatta: Somehow, people do not trust the simple, the easy, the always available.

    "Why not give an honest try to what I say? It may look very small and insignificant, but it is like a seed that grows into a mighty tree. Give yourself a chance!

    "I simply followed my Guru’s instruction which was to focus the mind on pure being ‘I am’, and stay in it.

    "I used to sit for hours together, with nothing but the ‘I am’ in my mind and soon peace and joy and a deep all-embracing love became my normal state.

    "In it all disappeared -- myself, my Guru, the life I lived, the world around me. Only peace remained and unfathomable silence.

    "Whatever happened, I would turn my attention away from it and remain with the sense 'I am', it may look too simple, even crude. My only reason for doing it was that my Guru told me so.

    "Yet it worked! Obedience is a powerful solvent of all desires and fears. Just turn away from all that occupies the mind; do whatever work you have to complete, but avoid new obligations; keep empty, keep available, resist not what comes uninvited.

    "In the end you will reach a state of non-grasping, of joyful non-attachment, of inner ease and freedom indescribable, yet wonderfully real.

    "Nothing stops you but preoccupation with the outer which prevents you from focusing on the inner. It cannot be helped, you cannot skip your spiritual practice. You have to turn away from the world and go within.”

    "As long as you are engrossed in the world, you are unable to know yourself: to know yourself, turn your attention away from the world and turn it within."

    Questioner: "What is the course of training in self-awareness?"

    Nisargadatta: "There is no need of training. Awareness is always with you. The same attention that you give to the outer, you turn to the inner. No new, or special kind of awareness is needed.

    "What you need is to be aware of being aware. Don't be misled by the simplicity of the advice. Very few are those who have the courage to trust the innocent and the simple.

    "The all important word is 'try'. Alot enough time daily for sitting quietly and trying, just trying, to go beyond the personality, with its addictions and obsessions.

    "You just keep on trying until you succeed. If you persevere, there can be no failure.

    "It is not a matter of easy, or difficult. Either you try or you don't. It is up to you."

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    If anyone has other pratices for breaking down the 'their' mind I'd love to hear them. It's really about mental discipline, when one learns that, they learn to keep their emotional state cleaner.

    [...]


    ... hhmmm, yummy, slimmy, wiggly worm... Slurp!

    It's about a method and a whole body of technologies dedicated to that very purpose: addressing and getting rid of that "their" mind... namely Dianetics which couldn't help but lead to Scientology.

    Dianetics is the bare bone method of addressing trauma and a whole gamut of other things by releasing, bit by bit, the emotional charge accumulated on any subject or type of incident.

    However, with it, Dianetics practitioners ran into a quagmire of problems; not the least of which was running into memories of former lives, in-between lives, etc... with that also came another quagmire of problems due to "Whose memories" was one addressing (see this post <---)? Because, for whatever reasons, Hubbard got arm-twisted into NOT including past lives memories into the Dianetics book.

    With the Dianetics research results, the delineation between the memory lines of the biological entity, the mind and the "awareness of awareness" unit became clearer and labelled as Protoplasmic/Genetic line, the "Reactive Mind" line and the "Analytical Mind" or "Spirit" or "Thetan" line.

    With the discovery of the "Spirit" line of memory, Dianetics entered the very field reserved to "religion"... couldn't escape from it... hence "Scientology."

    Has seen and explained by Steve Richards, the "Spirit" line is the most ignored and therefore "Spirit" ends up giving up and behave in a manner of something to the effect of "To hell with you!"

    The Dianetics and Scientology methods of eradication of that "Reactive/'Their' mind" were designed to maintain that balance of exchange between individuals via "Twinships" where each pulls his/her "twin" out of the emotionally charged pits, step by step, on a turn-about basis.

    Unfortunately, it didn't take 3 centuries for the "their" mind to turn Scientology into a boobby-trapped mine field like with christianity... it took it only less than 30 years. That's a 10-X speeding up. Accordingly, one would only find the salvaged portions of the methodology and technologies in what is called the "Independent field" or with the "Freezoners".

    Having learnt, with Dianetics, how the "their/reactive" mind can't help but react, the emphasis was switch from "That's what's wrong with you!" to, to take something applicable to alternative media: "How would you like to be more discerning?" That is, how to enhance one's abillity as a Spirit rather than focusing energy to what's wrong with one. Incidentally, Hubbard discovered, also, that Dianetics -- by thouroughly focusing on the "their/reactive" mind -- was giving the "their/reactive" mind all importance (flowing all attention/energy to it) and was ignoring "Spirit" and therefore "Spirit's" response of "To hell with you!" That was another reason for the implementation of Scientology and its emphasis on developping "Human Abilities." Hence the manhunt unleashed by TPTB because enhancing human abilities is a definite "No-no" in their psychopathic universe.

    Anyway, that's about the most succinct I can be on that very vast subject.



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    I found Dianetics quite helpful. And yep its pretty apparent 'their' mind got hold of it and it evolved into Scientology.

    I know a lot of people who benefited from it without getting sucked into Scientology part of it. Including myself, way back, ago, I think it was in the late 70's/ early 80's . My mother bought it and said Hubbard looked like a fruit (or a pervert I don't remember which ) and wouldn't read it...lol . So I picked it up had a big AH-HA and Wow moment.

    You see a lot of spiritual gurus who came from Scientology feeling equipped to instruct everyone else. They probably aren't, that is quite a protocol that is at work there, a masterpeice actually of progamming, new age BS pales in comparison: principles of right mindedness inhabited by their mind. My philosophy for those sorts of people is " They had an opportunity there to reclaim their right mind, and they got sucked into it. I didn't. So I think I'll stick with my own advice for that reason.

    What is funny is I've never met a practicing Scientology. EVER , usually former. They have herd mentality which is part of the 'groupy groupy let's be exclusive 'and exclusionary 'their' mind-set. That naturally grew into a religion for the wealthy. It take a lot of money to be 'exclusive' . Their minds always need some organization to hide in.

    How people leave the Scientology thing or not get sucked into the big heavy hitting part of it appears to have a pattern among former scientologists.

    They go into the early Dianetic-ish portion of it and basically get fairly well de programmed. Then there is this sort of threshold place depending on how emotionally stable someone is. Not having a programmed existence is not familiar to them so they want the subconscious programs again. It's safe and familiar for them. So they gravitate and end getting a whole new protocol run on them.

    Some of them think , Oh my god I'm in my right mind and bolt out the door. Goodbye Scientology. Some few go down that road but because they know what a program is they see it coming and get the hell out of dodge.

    I've run deprogramming protocols on quite a number of former Scientologists they all said the same thing. There is this tipping point when you access your right mind and you can then tip either way. Get out with your free mind or have another protocol run.

    Anyway I think I'll read it again, it may serve me better as an adult then a 13 year old and I don't have my mother hanging over my shoulder saying Hubbard is a 'fruit'.

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    A little willpower and some free time, every day. Decision to be silent and still, and everything that moves is it, "their mind". Be mad, be bat sh!t crazy, for a little while, as it flails about with being recognized. A little more will power and the line is drawn, you're you, not "it". It's everywhere in this crazy world, be crazier in the face of it. The hardest/easiest part is realizing one's identity is a fake, some edge up to that realization and take off running the other way like their butt's on fire, which in a way, it is. Others go a little further, and whammo, you are what you are, nothing is easier, nothing to it.
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    A little willpower and some free time, every day. Decision to be silent and still, and everything that moves is it, "their mind". Be mad, be bat sh!t crazy, for a little while, as it flails about with being recognized. A little more will power and the line is drawn, you're you, not "it". It's everywhere in this crazy world, be crazier in the face of it. The hardest/easiest part is realizing one's identity is a fake, some edge up to that realization and take off running the other way like their butt's on fire, which in a way, it is. Others go a little further, and whammo, you are what you are, nothing is easier, nothing to it.
    This free e-book, from the contemporary American teacher Adyashanti, has been mentioned over at Chris Greybeard's "Enlightenment/Ego" thread, but worth checking out in relation to this discussion, since it is an accesible toolbox dedicated to the same result -- Liberation.

    http://www.adyashanti.org/library/Th...tion_Ebook.pdf

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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    If anyone has other pratices for breaking down the 'their' mind I'd love to hear them. It's really about mental discipline, when one learns that the learn to keep their emotional state cleaner.
    "People often ask how the mind is controlled. I say to them, 'Show me the mind and then
    you will know what to do.' The fact is that the mind is only a bundle of thoughts. How can you extinguish it by the thought of doing so or by a desire? Your thoughts and desires are part and parcel of the mind. The mind is simply fattened by new thoughts rising up. Therefore it is foolish to attempt to kill the mind by means of the mind. The only way of doing it is to find its source and hold on to it. The mind will then fade away of its own accord."

    ~Sri Ramana Maharshi


    Quote "But basically that's where I'm at. Not repairing, building, contributing to the matrix field that holds us. That's the only thing I can do for all of humanity in one shot-not feed the field. Eventually if we get enough people and it doesn't have to be everyone then the field gets week. All energetic fields need a feed.
    Nisargadatta: Somehow, people do not trust the simple, the easy, the always available.

    "Why not give an honest try to what I say? It may look very small and insignificant, but it is like a seed that grows into a mighty tree. Give yourself a chance!

    "I simply followed my Guru’s instruction which was to focus the mind on pure being ‘I am’, and stay in it.

    "I used to sit for hours together, with nothing but the ‘I am’ in my mind and soon peace and joy and a deep all-embracing love became my normal state.

    "In it all disappeared -- myself, my Guru, the life I lived, the world around me. Only peace remained and unfathomable silence.

    "Whatever happened, I would turn my attention away from it and remain with the sense 'I am', it may look too simple, even crude. My only reason for doing it was that my Guru told me so.

    "Yet it worked! Obedience is a powerful solvent of all desires and fears. Just turn away from all that occupies the mind; do whatever work you have to complete, but avoid new obligations; keep empty, keep available, resist not what comes uninvited.

    "In the end you will reach a state of non-grasping, of joyful non-attachment, of inner ease and freedom indescribable, yet wonderfully real.

    "Nothing stops you but preoccupation with the outer which prevents you from focusing on the inner. It cannot be helped, you cannot skip your spiritual practice. You have to turn away from the world and go within.”

    "As long as you are engrossed in the world, you are unable to know yourself: to know yourself, turn your attention away from the world and turn it within."

    Questioner: "What is the course of training in self-awareness?"

    Nisargadatta: "There is no need of training. Awareness is always with you. The same attention that you give to the outer, you turn to the inner. No new, or special kind of awareness is needed.

    "What you need is to be aware of being aware. Don't be misled by the simplicity of the advice. Very few are those who have the courage to trust the innocent and the simple.

    "The all important word is 'try'. Alot enough time daily for sitting quietly and trying, just trying, to go beyond the personality, with its addictions and obsessions.

    "You just keep on trying until you succeed. If you persevere, there can be no failure.

    "It is not a matter of easy, or difficult. Either you try or you don't. It is up to you."
    The question is why Bob what is its purpose, why why why , what is its goal??

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    The question is why Bob what is its purpose, why why why , what is its goal??
    I'm sure that, like me, you do not relish being the bitch of some delusion. Consequently, the aim is to awaken to the absolute nature of reality, and then to live it to the fullest extent possible, rather than being yanked around by lies, addictions, and false beliefs.

    "We are no doubt at a very critical point in time. Our world hangs in the balance, and a very precarious balance it is. Awakening to reality is no longer a possibility; it is an imperative. We have sailed the ship of delusion about as far as she can carry us. We have run her ashore and now find ourselves shipwrecked on an increasingly desolate island. Our options have imploded. "Wake up or persish" is the spiritual call of our times. Did we ever need more motivation than this?"
    ~From the aforementioned e-book by Adyashanti

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    The question is why Bob what is its purpose, why why why , what is its goal??
    I'm sure that, like me, you do not relish being the bitch of some delusion. Consequently, the aim is to awaken to the absolute nature of reality, and then to live it to the fullest extent possible, rather than being yanked around by lies, addictions, and false beliefs.

    "We are no doubt at a very critical point in time. Our world hangs in the balance, and a very precarious balance it is. Awakening to reality is no longer a possibility; it is an imperative. We have sailed the ship of delusion about as far as she can carry us. We have run her ashore and now find ourselves shipwrecked on an increasingly desolate island. Our options have imploded. "Wake up or persish" is the spiritual call of our times. Did we ever need more motivation than this?"
    ~From the aforementioned e-book by Adyashanti
    Wake up to what Bob, we are awake and we still have to deal with the physical to correct the physical, we wake up and then what Bob??

    Regards

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