Their Mind and the Emotional Matrix that we create with it.

[9eagle9]

The druids had a notion that soul harvesting was harvested for the moon. Or the moon was doing the harvesting . Weird. Too much like the creepy filaments that came down from the ceiling when I was falling asleep at night.

Elves were supposed to be relatively immune to this that sort of thing, until an event happened within a tribe that caused the parasitical influence to be introduced into the weaker tribes.

[modwiz]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
Modwiz, this might be a bit semantic, but where does Moloch fit into that? I was correlating him with Saturn, since he is depicted as a bull, but as you stated that is the designation of Venus?

Moloch translates from the Semitic as 'king'. Carthage was a huge site of child worship and their god was basically chronos/saturn. From wikipedia:

Later commentators have compared these accounts with similar ones from Greek and Latin sources speaking of the offering of children by fire as sacrifices in the Punic city of Carthage, a Phoenician colony. Cleitarchus, Diodorus Siculus and Plutarch all mention burning of children as an offering to Cronus or Saturn, that is to Ba‘al Hammon, the chief god of Carthage. Issues and practices relating to Moloch and child sacrifice may also have been exaggerated for effect. After the Romans defeated Carthage and totally destroyed the city, they engaged in post-war propaganda to make their arch-enemies seem cruel and less civilized.

There seems to be little mention of Moloch actually being a bull, although some artistic depictions did just that. Just as I mentioned conflation of the figures before, some molochs may have had horns on them. Goat horns. Artists interpreting a horned god may have used the bull instead. When we get to the even deeper conflation of Lucifer/Venus/Bull with Arhriman/Saturn/Goat these confusions are reasonable, all other things considered. Over much focus on these details will bear little fruit other than for the sake of erudition. Having our "facts" straight should help with clarity.

[Jeffrey]

Below are several excerpts (actually, a majority of the material) from an article entitled: Well, that’s interesting … by thehouseofvines.

[this is an artifact from Peru depicting the Moche spider god]

Today’s adventure began with Ai Apaec, who I first learned about when Spider started bringing up the severed head stuff that eventually led to my adopting the fool persona and developing an interest in folk Catholicism.

Quoth Stevie:

The most feared and adored god of the Moche was Ai Apaec, nicknamed the ‘decapitator’ by scholars for the good reason that he is often holding a head in one hand and a knife in the other. In Moche artwork, his anthropomorphized image has the eyes of an owl, the fangs of a feline, sea wave hair, a spider body, and is usually surrounded by snakes and/or condors. It is thought that after natural disasters such as earthquakes or heavy El Nino rains, the Moche would hold extensive ceremonies that involved ritual combat, human sacrifice, and blood consumption, as an offering to Ai Apaec, in an appeal for stable weather, ancestral renewal, and agricultural fertility. During the ceremony, each Moche family put forth a warrior that represented it, and the warriors would fight each other, one-on-one, until one of the warrior’s headdresses was knocked off. After the battles, all the hatless loser warriors were made prisoner, stripped of their clothing, and taken to the sacred temple. Yoked together, the naked prisoners walked up the temple path until they reached the priest’s altar, located about half way up, where they then imbibed a special tea made of San Pedro cactus, an anti-coagulent and a mix of aphrodisiacs. The idea was to get them in the right frame of mind for the ceremony. Apparently, hallucinating with a stiffy was the mood of choice when being sacrificed. The prisoners then continued up the temple path until they reached the top, where our Lady of Cao was waiting for them. Mercifully, their throats were cut with a sharp hatchet, and a few drops of their blood were drained into a goblet. When all the sacrifices were done, the Lady of Cao drank the blood as an offering to Ai Apaec.

[...]

In an attempt to learn more about this character I was eventually led to a page on cultural depictions of spiders which introduced me to Saint Conrad of Constance, whose feast day is November 26.

[...]

Saint Conrad is pictured as a bishop holding a chalice with a spider above or in it. This depiction relates to the story that a spider once dropped into the chalice as he celebrated Mass. Although it was believed then that all spiders were deadly poisonous, Conrad nevertheless swallowed the Blood of Christ, out of respect and a demonstration of his faith. Sometimes images of Saint Conrad contain (1) a serpent and chalice (not to be confused with Saint John); (2) asperges; or exorcising.

This also led me to a discussion by Aleister Crowley on spider symbolism in the Tarot:

The Spider is particularly sacred to Tiphereth. It is written that she “taketh hold with her hands and is in king’s palaces.” (The most characteristic title of Tiphereth is “Palace of the King.”) She has six legs and is in the centre of her web exactly as Tiphereth is in the centre of the Sephiroth of Ruach. (Liber 777, Column XXXVIII)

This was particularly interesting to me since the Temperance or Art card is governed by Libra in some systems and is my personal indicator when I do readings for myself. It’s symbolism is quite appropriate.

Quoth the Wikipedia:

In most modern tarot decks, Temperance stands between Death and The Devil. He or she (traditions vary) guides the souls of the dead to judgment. In other traditions, Temperance is the remixing of life, accepting the dead into the underworld, into the blessed lands, and deciding what to send back into the fray. Every atom in our bodies has passed through thousands of forms, and will pass through thousands more. Temperance reminds us of our connection to the greater forces. Others say that the vessels in the Angel’s hands represent the Golden Crucible of Taoism; the vessel that contains eternal life. Others say it is representative of the head feeding the stomach; unification of the physical and spiritual needs. Temperance is associated through its cross sum (the sum of the digits) with The Hierophant. The Hierophant (ideally) brings the lessons of the other world into this one in an understandable form; Temperance (among other things) judges how well we have mastered the wisdom of the other worlds. Even though this card is well lit by a setting sun, it is an underworld card. Observe, for example, the lilies in the background. Lilies grow in Hades, and the lily represents the goddess Iris, another messenger goddess who transcends the individual realms. The Easter Lily sometimes represents the death of Christ on the Cross, and the three days He spent in the underworld before the Resurrection. The red wings of the Angel represent blood, life, and that which transcends the death of the individual. In the Rider-Waite-Smith deck, the Sun in the background conceals a crown. That crown is the ego, who has died and is at the cusp of the adventures of the night. Some Jungians say that Temperance represents the unconscious, which can guide us, they contend, to a deeper understanding of ourselves. The one foot on the land, the other in the water, represents the unification of the external and internal, conscious and unconscious, realms. Under these approaches, when Temperance appears, it is a warning or invitation to be prepared for a confrontation with the deepest questions of who we are, who we think we are, and who we will become.

On the page where I found the Crowley quote I also came across this:

The spider spins webs, making connections:

All things are held together by correspondence, image with image, movement with movement: without that there could be no relation and therefore no truth. It is our business – especially yours and mine – to take up the power of relation.

The Greater Trumps, Charles Williams

Williams explains the essence of the Great Dance:

“Tell me first,” she said, “now we’re alone, tell me more of this dance. It’s more than fortune-telling, isn’t it?”… “O, how shall I explain,” he cried out, “what we can only be taught to imagine?”… “Imagine, then, if you can,” he said, “imagine that everything which exists takes part in the movement of a great dance – everything, the electrons, all growing and decaying things, all that seems alive and all that doesn’t seem alive, men and beasts, trees and stones, everything that changes, and there is nothing that does not change. That change – that’s what we know of the immortal dance; the law in the nature of things – that’s the measure of the dance.”

On another site I found this lovely parable:

Recovering from feelings of loss at last, the Fool begins to wonder if he will finally find the new spirituality he’s after. It occurs to him that so far, he’s been dealing with opposites: the two opposing sides of the scales (Justice), the material and spiritual (which he hung between as the Hanged man), death and birth (the one leading into the other in the Death card). Does one always have to be surrendered to get the other? he wonders.

It is at this point that he comes upon a winged figure standing with one foot in a brook, the other on a rock. The radiant creature pours something from one flask into another. Drawing closer, the Fool sees that what is being poured from one flask is fire, while water flows from the other. The two are being blended together into a completely different substance!

“How can you mix fire and water?” the Fool finally whispers. Never pausing the Angel answers, “You must have the right vessels and use the right proportions.”

The Fool watches with wonder. “Can this be done with all opposites?” he asks. “Indeed,” the Angel replies, “Any oppositions, fire and water, man and woman, thesis and anti-thesis, can be made into a unified third. It is only a lack of will and a disbelief in the possibility that keeps opposites, opposite.” And that is when the Fool begins to understand that he is the one who is keeping his universe in twain, holding life/death, material world and spiritual world separate. In him the two could merge. All it takes, the Fool realizes, is the right proportions, the right vessel and enough faith that the two can be unified.

Crowley’s connection of Tiphereth with Spider is interesting as that is a densely symbolic sefira.

Quoth the Wikipedia:

In the Bahir it states: “Sixth is the adorned, glorious, delightful throne of glory, the house of the world to come. Its place is engraved in wisdom as it says ‘God said: Let there be light, and there was light.’” Tiferet is the force that integrates the Sefira of Chesed (“compassion”) and Gevurah (“Strength, or Judgement (din)”). These two forces are, respectively, expansive (giving) and restrictive (receiving). Either of them without the other could not manifest the flow of Divine energy; they must be balanced in perfect proportion by balancing compassion with discipline. This balance can be seen in the role of Tiferet, wherein the conflicting forces are harmonized, and creation flowers forth. Tiferet also balances Netzach and Hod in a similar manner. In that case Hod can be seen as the intellect where Netzach is seen as emotion. Tiferet also occupies a place on the middle pillar, and can be seen as a lower reflection of Kether, as well as a higher reflection of Yesod and Malkuth. Tiferet relates to the sun, and as such, it takes a central place in the lower face of the Tree of Life, much in the same manner that the sun is at the center of the solar system. It is not the center of the universe, as one could perhaps argue Kether to be, but rather it is the center of our local astronomical system. Nonetheless, it is the sun that gives light and life, even though it did not create itself. Tiferet can be seen as a metaphor for these same attributes. Tiferet is unique amongst the Sephirot as it is connected to all the other Sephirot (except Malkuth) via the subjective paths of the unconscious. Its position down the center between Keter and Yesod indicates to many Kabbalists that it is somewhat of a “converting” Sephirot between form (Yesod) and force (Keter). In other words, all crossing over the middle path via Tiferet results in a reversed polarity. The law of conservation of energy and mass tends to corroborate this – in all cases of energy transmutation, a sacrifice is necessary so a new form may be born. Tiferet is the middle of the tree. Five Sefirot surround it: above are Chesed at the right (south) and Gevurah at the left (north), and below are Netzach at the right, Hod at the left, and Yesod directly below. Together these six are a single entity, Zer Anpin, which is the masculine counterpart of the feminine sefira Malkuth. In certain contexts, Tiferet alone represents all the sefirot of Zer Anpin, so that the entire tree appears with only five sefirot: Keter, Chochmah, Binah, Tiferet, and Malkhut.

Wikipedia continues:

In Christian Cabala, Tiphereth is especially associated with Jesus Christ, ‘God the Son’ (as opposed to Kether, which is God the father, and Yesod, the Holy Spirit). This is because this is the Sephirah in which the divine force ‘sacrifices’ itself, transmutating into the forces of energy and matter, in order that creation might come to be. It is the sephirah in which ‘God becomes a mortal man’. Illustrative of the process of Tipharet is Jesus’ teaching in the Book of John, “No one comes to the Father except through me”. Kether is raw energy as the Godhead and is as such unknowable by the conscious mind; Tiphareth (the son) balances the force and form of Kether and Yesod respectively allowing Kether to assume a knowable form. A Christian mystic, in relating to Jesus, repeats the process in the other direction, by transmutating that which is lower, in order to achieve the divine. In terms of the Kabbalah, Tipharet encompasses not only “God the Son” but also the related myths of Osiris and other sacrificial gods.

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Source: http://thehouseofvines.com/2013/01/0...s-interesting/

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Vivek you should post that link you just gave me in PM, it fits here perfectly. I'm still absorbing it. You all post a paragraph and I get a three series novel from it.

[9eagle9]

And Moloch as depicted in Bohemian Grove is depicted as the horned owl.

but something Rakhyt said to me today seems to make me think the Moloch in Boheiman Grove may have more to do with aliens than moldering old gods dredged up from ancient grimoires.

[aikisaw]

Many people have mentioned in several threads that are currently going on about how long we have been enslaved by their mind. The centuries of countless wars and suffering that have gone on. I have heard others say we entering a big war for our minds. Everything in my being says they are right and this is true.

I came across this poem by George S. Patton that describes how long their mind has controlled humanity in detail.

After reading the poem countless times and thinking about where we/I came from . Where we are headed if we do nothing.

If we can stop this cycle from happening again, that is a worthy cause. This path has honor. I am willing to take this on. I say that with more nervousness than confidence, but say it non the less.

If you are upset by mental images of war you should not read it.

It came from Houman's Horus -ra thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ew-with-Maarit

Through a Glass, Darkly
a poem by
George S. Patton, Jr. (1918)

Through the travail of the ages,
Midst the pomp and toil of war,
Have I fought and strove and perished
Countless times upon this star.

In the form of many people
In all panoplies of time
Have I seen the luring vision
Of the Victory Maid, sublime.

I have battled for fresh mammoth,
I have warred for pastures new,
I have listed to the whispers
When the race trek instinct grew.

I have known the call to battle
In each changeless changing shape
From the high souled voice of conscience
To the beastly lust for rape.

I have sinned and I have suffered,
Played the hero and the knave;
Fought for belly, shame, or country,
And for each have found a grave.

I cannot name my battles
For the visions are not clear,
Yet, I see the twisted faces
And I feel the rending spear.

Perhaps I stabbed our Savior
In His sacred helpless side.
Yet, I've called His name in blessing
When after times I died.

In the dimness of the shadows
Where we hairy heathens warred,
I can taste in thought the lifeblood;
We used teeth before the sword.

While in later clearer vision
I can sense the coppery sweat,
Feel the pikes grow wet and slippery
When our Phalanx, Cyrus met.

Hear the rattle of the harness
Where the Persian darts bounced clear,
See their chariots wheel in panic
From the Hoplite's leveled spear.

See the goal grow monthly longer,
Reaching for the walls of Tyre.
Hear the crash of tons of granite,
Smell the quenchless eastern fire.

Still more clearly as a Roman,
Can I see the Legion close,
As our third rank moved in forward
And the short sword found our foes.

Once again I feel the anguish
Of that blistering treeless plain
When the Parthian showered death bolts,
And our discipline was in vain.

I remember all the suffering
Of those arrows in my neck.
Yet, I stabbed a grinning savage
As I died upon my back.

Once again I smell the heat sparks
When my Flemish plate gave way
And the lance ripped through my entrails
As on Crecy's field I lay.

In the windless, blinding stillness
Of the glittering tropic sea
I can see the bubbles rising
Where we set the captives free.

Midst the spume of half a tempest
I have heard the bulwarks go
When the crashing, point blank round shot
Sent destruction to our foe.

I have fought with gun and cutlass
On the red and slippery deck
With all Hell aflame within me
And a rope around my neck.

And still later as a General
Have I galloped with Murat
When we laughed at death and numbers
Trusting in the Emperor's Star.

Till at last our star faded,
And we shouted to our doom
Where the sunken road of Ohein
Closed us in it's quivering gloom.

So but now with Tanks a'clatter
Have I waddled on the foe
Belching death at twenty paces,
By the star shell's ghastly glow.

So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

And I see not in my blindness
What the objects were I wrought,
But as God rules o'er our bickerings
It was through His will I fought.

So forever in the future,
Shall I battle as of yore,
Dying to be born a fighter,
But to die again, once more.

FWIW


Throughout his storied life he astonished friends, acquaintances and perfect strangers with his intimate knowledge about places he had never been to in his current life. This has been witnessed and documented by numerous individuals. I'm referring to MINUTE DETAILS about terrain features and events which he could not possibly have known about.

In one instance during the First World War, he described a clearing within a densely wooded region on the other side of a mountain range during pitch black darkness to an astonished French officer. When asked how he could have known about such an obscure place that most local Frenchmen weren't even aware of, he merely stated that he had been there in a past life.

On another occasion he and a friend disagreed over a particular facet of the Battle of Gettysburg while they were walking through Gettysburg National Park. Patton went into minute detail about the movements of a particular unit pointing out a particular terrain feature to buttress his argument.

At this point an aged veteran of the Battle of Gettysburg who was a member of the unit in question and who happened to be within earshot of this historical debate, announced to one and all that Patton was absolutely correct in every particular. When Patton was asked how he could have known about such a historically obscure aspect of the battle, Patton replied (again) "I was here."

[modwiz]

Posted by Vivek (here)
Here are some excerpts from -- Mind Parasites, Energy Parasites, and Vampires -- by Jonathan Zap.
Freed Fox, there seem to be many parasitical and predatory species. From the book, Astral Dynamics, by Robert Bruce.
[INDENT][INDENT][INDENT]The most troublesome types of astral wildlife appear to come from the notorious lower astral subplanes that contain the darker and more negative aspects of the astral planes. These can be likened to parallel shadows of the more positively oriented parts of the astral planes. While still a part of the astral planes, technically speaking, they are a distinctly separate aspect or part of it, containing all the darker qualities. Another way of looking at this is to consider this to be the night side of the astral planes.

Low astral wildlife normally seem capable of operating only in dimensions similar to or lower than their dimension of origin.

This is reasonable, based on the energetic limitations set by their nature and dimensional level of origin. Some of these beings do seem capable of operating in the real-time zone. (The real-time zone can be thought of as being fairly neutral territory, dimensionally speaking.)

All lower types, regardless of classification or origin, appear to be predatory loners showing varying degrees of strength, intelligence, and ability. Negative beings exhibit a cold and almost insectlike nature. Higher feelings like love, compassion, and mercy are totally alien to them. This does not, however, mean they are evil; it just means they have no higher feelings. A garden spider has no higher feelings; it is not evil for killing and eating a beautiful butterfly. It is a spider and acts according to its nature; spiders feed on insects to survive.

I have chosen this part for a purpose. The astral wildlife alone is an excellent term. I find the astral realm and the 4th dimension to be largely synonymous. It is this vibratory spectrum the the emotional body resides in, the one that abuts the third dimension. Our emotional body is as real in that spectrum as our physical body is in our world. Now, take that body and see it surrounded by lower astral wildlife. A physical body emits blood, heat, hormone impregnated sweat and our breath. An emotional body has loosh. Now loosh emanations would seem to equal blood laced with hormonal secretions as opposed to basic blood. Also lets us remember the designation of lower astral instead of the upper astral. Think ocean here as the watery metaphor applies. It is the heavy stuff that will be floating around here and this is the sort of loosh that these lower astral entities feed on. To be sure there are hormonal secretions from the higher emotions as well. For metaphor let us speak of sour/acidic/lower emotions and sweeter/alkaline/higher emotions. These are generalizations for some visualization only.

Healthy full time living in the 4th dimension, which is an expansion from the 3rd dimension, will require an emotional body that is in control. Loosh creates emissions that attract feeders. Being present in the 4th dimension would allow one to see these critters. Such sights would often generate fear which would emit more loosh. So, let me ask. Who wants to move into the 4th dimension just yet? Prior to 12/21/12 there was the longing to leave the 3rd dimension. Many wanted to go to the 5th dimension/mental plane. There will be no skipping grades, LOL. It is not vibrationally possible.

[9eagle9]

It is incredible to me Aikisaw how much of the 'their' mind is in history, old poetry, myths and yes even pop culture and music, and people fail to see this rearing its head. People even sing about it, as it, to it, and see it for what it is and those are the 'alleged' asleep sheeple people. Particularly alternative music.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPJ6yRs1JYY

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTth7Ti_aGE

[aikisaw]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
It is incredible to me Aikisaw how much of the 'their' mind is in history, old poetry, myths and yes even pop culture and music, and people fail to see this rearing its head. People even sign about it, as it, to it, and see it for what it is and those are the 'alleged' asleep sheeple people. Particularly alternative music.

I know what you mean. I had to give up a lot of the music that I liked . I did not aline with it anymore.

I think history is promoted by their mind to perpetuate the myths needed to keep us at war. We do not give medals and have parades for scientists or philosophers.

That was not my take on the Patton poem. I did not get that he was speaking to it or for it.
I thought he was honest. The warrior was who he was, good or/and bad. He knew something had him through time and lifetimes. He could not name this thing. I am guessing he did not understand it either.
Up until a few weeks ago I could totally relate to that.

[Jeffrey]

OKAY, my mind is racing after reading this. It's an article from montalk.net entitled, Food for the Moon.

The moon is more than just a pale satellite of interest to poets and astronomers. Its influence goes beyond merely creating ocean tides or driving biological cycles. More importantly, the moon exerts a significant influence upon the mechanical, emotional, and psychological states in man.

[...]

Gurdjieff and Ouspensky

Fourth Way philosophy aims to strip man of his mechanical behavior and hypnotic programming in order to build within him a core of heightened consciousness. It is an esoteric system assembled from incomplete fragments of inner Christianity and Sufism. It’s founder, Georges Gurdjieff, frequently admonished the thoughtless mechanical behavior of humanity and was fond of saying that we are “food for the moon.”

What did Gurdjieff mean by this phrase? Many have interpreted “food for the moon” as a figure of speech, that perhaps Gurdjieff meant we are slave to our mechanical conditioning and feed our baser impulses. While it can be additionally interpreted that way, Gurdjieff was likely being literal. Peter Ouspensky, one of Gurdjieff’s most prolific disciples, lectured at length concerning the moon’s role in human affairs and its place in the cosmological scheme of things. It is reasonable to assume what Ouspensky wrote about the moon accurately reflects what Gurdjieff taught him.

According to Ouspensky, the moon acts as a giant electromagnet pulling upon all organic life on earth and sucking into itself the soul essence of dying creatures. The moon is an embryonic planet receiving its nutrition from organic life on earth through an etheric umbilical cord, an energy conduit between earth and moon.

In man, the moon drives his mechanical aspects like a pendulum moving the gears of a clock. The degree to which one’s actions are driven by the moon is proportional to one’s level of reactivity and non-being. For people incapable of moving themselves through life by nobler spiritual impulses, the moon provides a propulsive force. Without this force, mechanical individuals would be passive as puppets without a puppeteer.

Ouspensky went so far as to say that the very physical motion of our limbs was made possible thanks to the moon. Other Fourth Way initiates like Rodney Collin explained that because our body was largely made of water and the moon pulls on water to create the ocean tides, our bodies are made to move in similar but more complicated ways through hydraulic principles.

[...]

It would be more accurate to say that the moon exerts some subtle influence upon the organs of our etheric body responsible for initiating neurochemical impulses that trigger habitual motions. Such mechanical behavior may therefore be driven by the moon, but not necessarily via crude physical means.

The moon is therefore an important factor in driving our mechanical actions. As long as its influence is limited to such effects, the moon is doings its job properly. Ouspensky warned, however, that if lunar influences trespassed into one’s emotional and mental aspects, then emotional and mental imbalances would occur. How can the moon affect our emotional and intellectual centers? By the very fact that these lower centers have their own mechanical aspects.

Ouspensky was asked whether there was any truth to the connection between full moons and lunacy.

[...]

In the cosmological schema, earth is like a mother to the moon which is still a fetus in the sense that it cannot yet “breathe” on its own, hold an atmosphere, or support life. Gurdjieff said: “The Moon is actually a fragment of this Earth, which must now constantly maintain the Moon’s existence.” In that sense, the moon is like a parasitic thoughtform. [Vivek: Ahem, aborted fetus anyone?]

In line with the objectives of Fourth Way, to escape the more deleterious lunar influences Ouspensky said we must “create moon within ourselves.” By this he meant we must develop within us a driving mechanism that can take the place of the external lunar influence; in this way we would break free of the puppeteer. Assuming for a moment a more general and practical interpretation, this simply says that in order to become free from mechanical conditioning and reactive behavior we must reinforce our sense of self-awareness so that conscious choice and awareness reigns supreme over any external stimuli that might provoke an unconscious reaction.

[...]

Mouravieff

In his epic work Gnosis, Boris Mouravieff formulated an esoteric system for spiritual evolution founded upon the inner traditions of Eastern Orthodoxy. Though sharing a common basis with Fourth Way, what Mouravieff detailed is comparatively more complete, accurate, and systematic. Here is an excerpt from Gnosis summarizing what is necessary to transcend the lunar influence:

As a cell of organic life on Earth, man plays a part in the development of the Ray of Creation. The vivification of the Moon, that cosmic foetus, is one aspect of this development. This requires considerable quantities of energy, which is produced in particular by the human part of organic life. Illusion, which plays such an important role in the waking consciousness of man, was introduced into that state so that he would accept this aspect of the cosmic work, participating in it without rebellion.

If we become conscious of this situation and desire to escape it, we must conceive and create a screen which will protect us against this devouring influence of the Moon. We must meanwhile guard against falling into Illusion again by erecting a false screen; the result would be an aggravated waste of these forces instead of an economy of force. The quantity of force necessary to genuinely oppose the influence of the Moon is already considerable. The first imperative, then, is to stop wasting these forces, to turn off the taps which let the energy escape uselessly: sterile emotions, in particular negative emotions; fantasies from uncontrolled imagination; uncoordinated mental gymnastics, gossiping and chattering. We must thus act like a wise minister of finance and carefully economize our energies, yet without all the time sterilizing either our activity or our intelligence. On the contrary, we must store and as far as possible augment these forces to build up our reserves. These are the two main aspects of the first objective we have to attain. (Mouravieff, Gnosis I, p.168)

Mouravieff also explained that organic life functions as a transmitter station sending refined energy to the moon to assist its growth. Despite increases in the human population and thus an increase in quantity of energy transferred, times of peace do not produce sufficient energy and so catalysts for suffering such as wars and catastrophes arise to sustain the process.

The Moon’s passive energy arises from solar energy. It reflects this, but not without a transformation as its own nature. […] Unlike the Earth, the Moon does not have a direct organic link with the Sun. Being a satellite, it depends directly on its planet, and it is only through the latter’s mediation that it enters into relation with the Sun. One of its essential roles is to reflect solar energy onto the Earth’s surface in a form modified by reflection as described above. This also leads to qualitative and quantitative variations that depend on its phases. These changes do not prevent continual reverberation, due to the fact that the Moon always presents the same face to Earth, as the duration of its rotation around itself and around our planet are both the same. (Mouravieff, Gnosis II, p.29)

Although Mouravieff did not elaborate in what manner the lunar influence varies with phase, it stands to reason that essentially it is a matter of astrological alignment between earth, sun, and moon. During new and full moons, the moon and sun are respectively in conjunction and opposition. During quarter moons they are square. Opposition, conjunction, and square represent alignments that in this particular case aggravate the mechanical aspects in man. Other times of the month when the moon is trine or sextile sun, a more harmonious astrological aspect establishes itself. These alignments engender calmer temperaments with the mechanical influence not trespassing into emotional or mental territory.

That the moon always shows the same face, has an unusually circular orbit, and is precisely distanced to blot out the sun during total solar eclipses implies an intentional placement by the “Architect” of the matrix, or perhaps it simply suggests a collective choice to experience this highly improbable but necessary reality. When asked if the moon was intentionally placed, the Cassiopaeans responded: This is impossibly complex because in one way or another, everything is part of a “plan.” Mouravieff and Ouspensky emphasized that despite the soporific nature of the moon and the urgent necessity for individuals to overcome its influence, there is still an important cosmological reason for this arrangement [...]

The Zelator

Another interesting source is The Zelator by Mark Hedsel, an autobiographical account of his initiatory pathway through various mystery schools. The following excerpt takes place in the presence of a teacher who gives a lengthy discourse on the moon:

Our questions led our Master to some fascinating and unexpected observations about the lunar connections in ancient esoteric lore, and it was not surprising that the few questions we did put to our Master at that time concerned these planets. ‘Do you know what the third-day pig is?’ he asked in response to a question I had put to him about the Moon. Although our Master was looking directly at us, everyone shook their heads, as though he had directed the question to each of us personally. Perhaps the question had been rhetorical, for he continued almost immediately. ‘The three-day pig is a phrase from the ancient Mysteries. Prior to the initiation held during the Greater Mysteries of the Boedromion at Eleusis, in Greece, there was what the Greeks called the Halade Mystai. Early in the morning, the candidates for initiation would make their way to the sea, carrying young pigs, which they would wash and then sacrifice. The usual — we might even say the exoteric — explanation for this sacrifice is that they considered the blood of the pig to be especially pure, and much appreciated by the gods of the Underworld. They buried the killed pigs deep in the Earth, after the blood and slaughtered bodies had been dedicated to these infernal gods. Because the sacrifice was held on the third day of the Greater Mystery, such a creature was called the third-day pig.’

He raised his eyebrows, and smiled. ‘Now, as with all Mysteries of initiation, the term is not quite correct — it is meant to hide something. It was not a third-day pig, but a two-and-a-half-day pig, as the sacrifices always took place in the morning. The fact that the rites were conducted near the sea should lend a clue to one aspect of this arcane symbolism, for the two-and-a-half day period is a lunar period. In two and a half days, the Moon completely traverses one sign of the zodiac: the period, cosmically speaking, is a 12th part of the month. Now, perhaps, you will begin to see something of the deeper significance of the third-day pig?’ Perhaps once again the question had been rhetorical. At all events, there was no sound from the circle.

‘In a sense, the third-day pig is humanity — the liquid sweat of the Earth. Humanity is in thrall to the Moon — mankind is subject to the two-and-a-half-day rhythm, and to all other lunar periodicities. In another sense, the third-day pig is the animal of Set, the reject darker side of Mankind — that lucifuge side, which does not strive towards the light.

[...]

‘In the case of the Moon, the matter is made more complex by the fact that the physical matter of the Moon did once form part of what we now call the Earth. Within the context of the lunar sphere, the two centres did once coincide. A tremendous effort of meditative power is required to follow these connections, however, and the bald statement I have made can result in misconceptions.’

‘Why,’ asked Philip, ‘did the Moon have to separate from the Earth?’ ‘It was a cosmic fission. The Moon represents the harder mineralization of the Earth. In the body of the Moon is the matter which, had it remained with the Earth, would have weighed down human development too deeply. Man would not have been able to bear the weight of those forces in his own body. Just as we know from our own observations of ourselves that we must slough off darkness to reach into the light, so the planetary bodies must also involve themselves in a similar fission. Even so, it is true that the weight of the Moon, albeit removed by half a million miles, still contorts the physical body of the Earth and its inhabitants through what are usually called ‘gravitational’ effects.

‘Now we must touch upon the connection between the Moon and clairvoyancy. We must do this because one of our members has — wisely or unwisely — become involved with mediumistic groups.’

‘It is important that we set out very clearly the dangers inherent in opening the soul to such activities. It is not for me to forbid such activity. I have no power to forbid, and would relish no such power. Much as I would wish to protect you, I cannot. The best I can do is make the dangers clear to you. After that, your beliefs and your conduct remain your own.’

He look around at our faces, as though to indicate that he had arrived at the most important point of the evening.

‘And so now we must look at an esoteric truth which touches on the very edge of what is permissible. What I have to say will be greatly disturbing for many people of modern times. It will disturb, because it is generally taken for granted that clairvoyancy, mediumship and spiritualistic activity are somehow linked with Spiritual development, and consequently of benefit to mankind. Unfortunately, this is far from the truth. A vast amount of our modern so-called “Spiritualist” literature pertains to channelling and clairvoyancy which is far from beneficial for the development of mankind. Indeed, not to mince words, I should tell you that it is distinctly harmful.

‘I must now make a statement which will introduce you to a concept which was, until comparatively recently, one of the deepest secrets of the esoteric Schools: In some ways, the Moon is the greatest problem of esoteric lore. The Moon is not at all what it appears to be.

‘At the end of the last century an astounding revelation was made, as a result of dissent among members of secret Schools. Information, hitherto guarded jealously by the most enclosed of the inner Orders, was made public. The secrets disclosed pertained to a far deeper level of knowledge than has hitherto been made exoteric by the Schools — even in this enlightened age.’

His trace of cynicism seemed to go by unnoticed.

‘Our purpose here is not to document how so deep an esoteric idea was made public — or even to assess whether it was wise for this idea to be brought out into the open. All this has been dealt with in the literature — and if any of you wish to follow this up, I will give you a few titles later.

‘In a nutshell, what was made public during this conflict in the Schools was the truth that our Moon is a sort of counterweight to another sphere, which remains invisible to ordinary vision. This counterweighted sphere is called in esoteric circles the Eighth Sphere.

‘We must be careful with these words, for, in spite of what I have just said, this region is not itself a sphere, nor is it a moon. Even to locate it behind the physical Moon is not correct, for in the Spiritual realm spaces and distances are different. The truth is that this Eighth Sphere does not pertain to anything we are familiar with on the physical plane, yet we must use words from our own vocabularies whenever we wish to denote its existence. Were we to use a word which fits most appropriately this Sphere, then we should really call it a vacuum. Certainly, vacuum is a more appropriate term than sphere, for the Eighth Sphere sucks things into its own shadowy existence.

‘This Sphere is lower in the scale of being than the Seventh Sphere (which is the Earth). It acts as a sort of demonic conduit to suck into its maws certain degenerate Spiritual forms on the Earth. It is a shadow Sphere, controlled by shadow beings. However, the fact that they are shadow beings should not lead us to demote or underestimate their capabilities and intelligence. In many respects they are more intelligent than Man, for they are not limited by the power of love, as is Mankind.

‘The operation of this Eighth Sphere is complex. Its denizens — those shadowy beings for whom it is home — wish to people their Sphere with humanity, or (more accurately) with human souls. Towards this end, it has erected what we might call terminals on the Earth: these terminals are soul-conduits, which will suck into the lower Sphere a certain form of materialized Spiritual energy that is engendered on the Earth plane. The most usual circumstances where this materialization or engendering takes place is in seances, and in other localities wherein human beings attempt to meddle — against the cosmic law — with the lower Etheric planes.’

‘It is less than one hundred years since this knowledge of the Eighth Sphere was made public. At first there was an outcry at this breach in initiate knowledge, but now we can see that it has proved something of a blessing that the demonic threat has been brought out into the open. In some ways, it is easier to deal with a visible enemy. Those who dabble in the supposed communications with the dead, and with that spirit-land which they fondly imagine lies beyond the veil, have not gone unwarned.

I will leave most of the above for the reader to digest, and discuss only the so-called “Eighth Sphere.” What is meant by the moon being a counterweight to the Eighth Sphere? Evidently, the moon is but a physical reflection of something tangible but not material, something beyond our realm of perception.

[...]

The Eighth Sphere would therefore include: the lower astral planes where carnal and demonic thoughtforms dwell, the hyperdimensional realms inhabited by so-called reptilian beings, the parasitic etheric lattice overlaying the earth comprising the very tendrils of the Matrix, the soul-pool of which spiritless humans are incarnate extensions, and the demiurgic creature positioned atop the negative occult hierarchy sucking into itself all energy gathered from the “tiers” below.

This interpretation of the Eighth Sphere should be self-evident for those familiar with the works of Rudolf Steiner, Carlos Castaneda, Robert Monroe, Dr. William Baldwin, the Cassiopaean Transcripts, and my articles on the Matrix.

For instance, that spiritless humans have something to do with the moon is clear from the fact that they, being extensions of less evolved (“second density”) energies occupying human (“third density”) bodies, are essentially two-and-a-half density beings, which relates to the two-and-a-half-day pig [...] That the moon shares an archetypal basis with spiritless humans is further evidenced by it being a second density planet reflecting light rather than generating its own, just as spiritless humans are not fully third density and merely reflect back the soul image of others.

Source: http://montalk.net/matrix/114/food-for-the-moon

This is only two thirds of the article, and it relates to the scuttlers apparently (amongst other things, lots of correlations here).

Here is another video.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyXvR0yDr28

See also redicecreations.com article: http://www.redicecreations.com/speci...1jan/moon.html

I have to get to bed.

[SKAWF]

okay, i admit..... i havnt read this thread yet.

but you know how it is when in isolation, you process the things you have learned....
and then you see something in an entirely new light.......
and then someone says something that grabs the attention......

i'm at that point.

so i'll list a couple of things that have grabbed me recently.

one of them was ben fulford. (say what you want about him.... i like the bloke)

he mentioned a rogue AI that was located in vatican city.

another was a game that i played called Mass Effect 3.
the story was about different races of people from all parts of the galaxy, at war with a race of AI machines called the Geth.
and that every 50 000 years there is a massive purge of life committed by 'the reapers'.....
that was because they have been trying to get the AI and the other races to co exist....
but it keeps leading to destruction, so the reapers have to purge life.... to restore order out of the chaos that keeps happening! (those words were used)
in the end you are faced with three choices (4 after an update, due to complaints by gamers who thought the ending was weak, because they couldnt understand it)
1, control them
2, destroy them,
3, synthesis (a new way forward) synthesis involved an attempt at a loving relationship between an AI called Edi, and the human pilot of the ship 'joker'.

and for the rest... i have no idea why but a few storylines from TV progs, like star trek, futurama, and some others where the story involves the planet being controlled by a computer.

then we go to david icke talking about reptillians......
and some of the characteristics they are said to have.....

a lack of empathy, creativity, and imagination etc......
and it occured to me that you could apply those characteristics to a machine.

'you will not portray US as we really are'. 'let us make man in OUR image' does that refer to a race of reptillian beings?, because it sounds like something the borg would say. the words spoken by a hive mind perhaps.
i'm a tad out of my depth here, but lets say, that this reality IS an illusion. and that the matrix is controlled by machines who are attempting to integrate in some way.
they dont have our soul, or imagination, so they set about reducing mankind down to their level. and from the other angle...
the likes of alex jones talking about the elites trying to integrate themselves with machines in an attempt to achieve immortality......

maybe the equation is.... humans with all our god given qualities, but a limited life span vs machines limited by their technology.... but immortal (almost). is there a happy medium?

we arent just a physical body are we.... we are also electrical.... we can be interfered with on that level.
a machine could operate in the required way to do that, i think.
for that matter, i also had an electric tooth brush which could be charged up without direct contact with electrical points!

i asked mr hodges once whether you could counter a mind reader by switching to the imagination, or imagining music being played. he said yes.
i also remember around that time... talk of supercomputers at places in australia (pine something...not sure)

and about a month ago, i spent a good few hours imagining myself trying to get an AI to break through its limitations (lord know's where that one came from!)

and now, over the last few days..... talk of 'their mind' and mentions of AI.

it feels like three people stood in different positions, firing a projectile at the same bullseye.

so from out of nowhere.... i find myself now fully immersed in this subject.

i prefer synthesis.

i am by nature a problem solver.....

i am begining to see the complexity of the problem.

even the most advanced computer you can think of.... will never be the free spirit that a human is.
at our core, we are infinite... limitless, whereas a machine is bound by its programming.
and if you reduce a human being down to the level of a machine... it will only lead to chaos and destruction.

where is the mid ground?

PS does anyone remember the scene in terminator 2 when the machine said
i now know why you cry.......?

[Hervé]

Posted by Vivek (here)
[...]

Here is an excerpt from an article entitled, The Devil's Gate:

Enter Jack Parsons and stories of occult Rituals taking place in the Devil’s Gate area in the 1940s.

Parsons, a brilliant Cal Tech rocket scientist, is commonly referred to as one of the founders of the Jet Propulsion Labs or JPL. He was very involved in a secret society, the Ordo Templi Orientis (it is still active in California), which followed teachings by the famed English occultist Aleister Crowley, called by some “the wickedest man alive.” Parsons and, later L. Ron Hubbard (yes, the founder of Scientology), were rumored to have been trying to create a “moonchild” — a sort of anti-Christ they believed would throw over modern society — through magical rituals specifically conducted in the area due to its mystical energy. Crowley supposedly called Devil’s Gate one of the seven portals to hell.

Some occultists believe that the rituals actually did open a portal that allows negative energy and non-human entities to pass into this world.

[AND]

Around the time of Jack Parsons birth, Crowley started receiving visions and trance-communications he called "The Alamantrah Working". The Amalantrah working was what Crowley termed "The Great Work" i.e. the intentional cultivation of spiritual growth. According to Crowley part of the great work involved "the establishment of contact with non-human intelligences". The purpose of the Amalantrah invocations, by Crowley's own admission, was to open an interdimensional portal that would allow him access to beings from other dimensions. Crowley was successful...he made contact.

[...]

Hubbard and Parsons were especially interested in the interdimensional portal that Crowley had created via the Amalantrah invocations. It is interesting to note the time frame between Hubbard and Parsons allegedly reopening the interdimensional portal or "stargate" and the wave of extraterrestrial activity and UFO sightings that began with the Kenneth Arnold's sighting of nine "flying silver disks" over the cascade Mountains in June 1947, not long after the Roswell incident. This is when the United States Government made contact with extraterrestrial intelligences.

[...]

Anyway, Crowley was concerned that Hubbard and Parsons were acting recklessly when dealing with higher energies. Having spent a lifetime mastering his interaction with supernatural forces, he considered them overconfident and inexperienced and told them as much, finally ceasing all communication with them. Neither man would be deterred and Hubbard and Parsons proceeded to work with the dormant portal that Crowley had left almost 30 years earlier.

[...]

Like Crowley, it was Jack's intention to manifest an individual incarnation of Babalon, as well as to catalyze the emergence of that force in society.

Source: http://laghostpatrol.com/2011/05/devils-gate/ - http://savagesalvation.blogspot.com/...k-parsons.html

This is all taking on a new twist. Interesting indeed.

[Side note: By the way, I am not versed in Tarot or Kabbalah, but maybe some bells went off for someone here that is.]

Too many facets being presented as truths...

For starter, there is this letter from Parsons to Crowley:

“About 3 months ago I met Capt L Ron Hubbard, a writer and explorer of whom I had known for some time …. [no omission] He is a gentleman, red hair, green eyes, honest and intelligent and we have become great friends. He moved in with me about two months ago, and although Betty and I are still friendly, she has transferred her sexual affections to him.

Although he has no formal training in Magick he has an extraordinary amount of experience and understanding in the field. From some of his experiences I deduce he is in direct touch with some higher intelligence, possibly his Guardian Angel. He is the most Thelemic person I have ever met and is in complete accord with our own principles. He is also interested in establishing the New Aeon, but for cogent reasons I have not introduced him to the Lodge.

We are pooling our resources in a partnership which will act as a parent company to control our business ventures. I think I have made a great gain, and as Betty and I are the best of friends, there is little loss ….

I need a magical partner. I have many experiments in mind. I hope my elemental gets off the dime [gets moving] – the next time I tie up with a woman it will be on [my] own terms.”

Then, a research done in an attempt to get to the bottom of these gossips yields the following:

Critics have accused Ron of “swindling” Jack Parsons, and while Wright doesn’t add new news to this theory, he certainly manages to leave some important facts out.

Basically, Ron and Jack, in the short 4-5 months that they hung out and became good friends in 1945/1946, decided to go into business together — it was going to be a wide ranging enterprise, and the first idea was to buy three yachts cheaply on the east coast (Miami), bring them across the Panama Canal by hiring crews, and then selling them at a significant mark-up to the rich celebrity crowd in southern California. Parsons put up most of the money, but didn’t have to do any work. Hubbard put in a bit of money, but was responsible for doing all the legwork. This is a common business arrangement, where one partner provides the money, the other takes care of operations.

Beyond that, there were a number of future ideas that the two had thought up, including adding Hubbard’s writings to the partnership, Parsons was going to add some of the assets from his rocket work. (Source: Strange Angel, by Pendle). According to Heinlein, Hubbard talked up an idea of going to other countries, including a “China venture” — in one letter to Hubbard in 1946, Heinlein scolded Hubbard for being too talkative about China, getting his (Heinlein’s) nephews overly excited about exotic trips there.
[Source: Heinlein biography by Patterson]).

But forty years later, this became “Hubbard tried to swindle Parsons” in the minds of his critics, for two reasons:

(1) Because Ron was still in the Navy, he was required to get permission to leave the country. He listed South America, Central America and China as possible destinations. Because China was nowhere near the Panama Canal, this, in the minds of Hubbard’s critics, was due to Ron’s “secret plans to go to China”. Yeah, real secret — Heinlein was actually upset that Ron was talking about it too much.

(2) Crowely and his OTO team didn’t trust people — they didn’t trust Jack (to think for himself), they didn’t trust someone named Smith. They had endless back-stabbing drama amongst themselves. And their latest object of distrust was Ron. When Crowley (living in England, and having never met Ron) heard about the business venture, he decided that it was all a con by Ron and that he needed to brow-beat Jack, and with the help from other members of the drama-filled OTO, ultimately convinced Jack that Ron was swindling him.

In the mean time, Ron was busily carrying out the business plan (with the help of Betty) in Miami for about a month, had bought the boats and even hired the crews. But Jack had been convinced by Crowley and others that Ron wasn’t staying in touch with Jack enough, and therefore Ron must be onto something tricky. So Jack races across the country to find Ron and Betty doing exactly what they had all agreed to do. Ron had actually purchased three yachts! And worse, he had arranged the crews to sail them through the Panama Canal. The horror of it all!

Jack, having been all worked up by the OTO (and wanting to stay in good graces with Crowley), forced the partnership to be dissolved.

Hubbard and Betty were left thinking: WTF?

(Sources: “Strange Angel”, by Pendle; “Heinlein Biography, Vol 1″, by Patterson.)
—
Believe me, when Hubbard later referred to Aleister Crowley in a lecture as his “good friend”, he was joking. And the audience knew it. They chuckled when he said it.

Hubbard, to start with, was a highly gifted psychic since avery early age..

... make of it what thou wilt...

[PurpleLama]

A quick aside before slinking back into the shadows (made from the sun, not moonlight....)

When Spider started showing up in my reality some years back, it was a nudge from spirit to look around, and where I was led, Arachne was what I found, and what taught me was that we are the weavers of space and time, with threads of fate we make what's ours....

The spider/crawlers sound like brownies to me, little shadowy things, natural etheric critters, that are consumers of mental/emotional energies, sometimes are to be cleared and sometimes to make friends depending on the diet one gives (them), if fed with a heart of meanness and spite these can come to be a creature that bites, but in a house where peace exists these can grow into helpers/house spirits and the like, we make the thief or the helper by what integrity we have or not.

I am currently disposed to think/believe that all our boogy men are by our own designs, with mostly rare exception, which isn't to say there aren't some exceptional folk gathered here abouts....

[bennycog]

By AIKISAW

"Many people have mentioned in several threads that are currently going on about how long we have been enslaved by their mind. The centuries of countless wars and suffering that have gone on. I have heard others say we entering a big war for our minds. Everything in my being says they are right and this is true."

Thanx and i have had so many synchronicities about this too.. i believe it to be the same, the war has being going on a long time but it ends with our minds becoming open and finally relaxed amongst the universe..

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
The druids had a notion that soul harvesting was harvested for the moon. Or the moon was doing the harvesting . Weird. Too much like the creepy filaments that came down from the ceiling when I was falling asleep at night.

Elves were supposed to be relatively immune to this that sort of thing, until an event happened within a tribe that caused the parasitical influence to be introduced into the weaker tribes.

There was a thriller movie done "Apollo 18", about these spider/crab like creatures that inhabited the moon....not quite what we're talking about, but weird none the less.
http://www.movieviral.com/current-vi...gns/apollo-18/

[SilentFeathers]

Just an observation:

I left this thread about 12 hrs ago and took a well needed nap

This morning I picked it up again and got caught up with it and then went back about 5 pages and re-read things. I noticed that this thread like a surfer waiting for a great wave,well, found that wild wave a few pages back.....(not saying the pages and posts before and since then are not important)

I got to thinking about how we here found that wave a few pages back when things were getting really "wild and exciting" and came to the conclusion that it was just nothing more than simple "original thought" finding it and riding it quite well, like a pro.

Personally I feel researching and studying the work of others like Crowley for example (and many others of course), copying and pasting relevant "reminders" etc is a good thing to a large extent...but I honestly believe that a few pages back we ourselves here within this thread were on the brink of an important discovery or piecing together something quite revealing simply through "original thought" only.

I almost get the sense that putting our "original thoughts" on the back burner so to speak and relying or focusing more on the work of others for answers or truths is somewhat preventing us from moving forward on some level. Perhaps the spiders way of protecting itself or it's kind.

I have no doubt we ourselves here are more capable than Crowley and others of the past to find answers and truths through our own original thinking and thoughts. It shows a few pages back....we were in control of our minds ourselves

In other words, this is our time now.....

[9eagle9]

Amzer Zo needs to post his Big Head Information here. I seen it in another post and it applies here as well. The psychic frustration of attempting to describe what is only vaguely collectable by them is a central ia multidimensional computer with tentacles influencing all, and even wrapping the earth.

If anyone has ever read the Stand by Stephen King, he describes basically what is an interdimensional war, wage by influence. Influenza, the flu.

IN another series the Dark Tower he describes the inter dimensional nature of this war.

In book, a book called Insomnia,connected to the Dark Tower he describes how there is a plot form these interdimensional beings that take hold of someone get them obsessed with an idea and direct them to harm others. Well before 9/11 we had Insomnia show us a man took a plane with the intention of driving it into a stadium full of people under some pretext of religious outrage.

Rakhyt brought this to mind. Stephen King had a short story called Chippers. A chipper is a person who quits smoking, mostly, but chips or caves in periodically, and has a smoke. For some reason only these people are capable of seeing who is really running the world. To everyone else they look like normal people; to chippers they looked like ghastly big headed beings with a face like a cross between a bat and an octupus. Big bulging bat heads and they were feeders. They were most often found in places of power, high level bank execs and CEO's and other places of power.

The powers that be have had a long ongoing war with tobacco, one of their most power profit makers is also a substance that parasitical influences don't much care for. Another topic another story but.....

So I'm thinking we are looking at the 'full' moon in a whole new way. Perhaps not just a naturally occuring elemental event but a once monthly orchestrated power surge ....?

King admits to being nothing more than a ficitonal writer but a lot of can attest a lot 'weird' stuff leaks into our writing that isn't coming from us per say.

[9eagle9]

So's not to quote Vivek's post in un-neccessary lengthiness.

So ...soulless people are affected more by the tides of the moon? That is a sort a directional beacon or eminence for them? Explaining why the crazies come out at the full of the moon, why their occult assholery like Hurricane Sandy was summoned during the full of the moon. This may be rather far too revealing in allowing people to accidentally reveal the state of their inner structures... yeeeee.

Where as the effects and energies of the moons are senses by others it doesn't drive them bat**** like it does some inhabitants of the planet.

[bennycog]

Good ol stephen king has had quite a few books that have the same influences such as the men in black hats.. watchers..
He might have a team of people in-putting stories into his mind or slipping the interdimensional world into his consciousness..

The full moon sent quite a bit of energy toward the australian coast..

I remember stephen king saying if he wrote a shopping list it would sell like hot cakes.. And i have know doubt it would I would like to see if he is all organic..

[janus]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Rakhyt brought this to mind. Stephen King had a short story called Chippers. A chipper is a person who quits smoking, mostly, but chips or caves in periodically, and has a smoke. For some reason only these people are capable of seeing who is really running the world. To everyone else they look like normal people; to chippers they looked like ghastly big headed beings with a face like a cross between a bat and an octupus. Big bulging bat heads and they were feeders. They were most often found in places of power, high level bank execs and CEO's and other places of power.

The powers that be have had a long ongoing war with tobacco, one of their most power profit makers is also a substance that parasitical influences don't much care for. Another topic another story but.....

You've touched on something that has been a question in my mind for a very long time...why such an effort to save us from one particular substance? I hesitate to call it propaganda...and yet, once the program was put into place, it has become self-perpetuating...the 'tobacco police' are everywhere!

We all know the downside to smoking and the harm it now does because of the poisonous additives...But I wonder why they took a sacred substance and turned it lethal in the first place.

With so many truly harmful things in the world, why the focus on tobacco?

Perhaps this is off topic...or simply a minor issue...

[Gardener]

Silent Feather I think its going to cycle round that 'discovery high' a few times as further information is gathered from the periphery of this 'subject'. The problem with most any science is that it accumultes data and then zeros in towards the center and gets to know, 'more and more about less and less' as they say.
From where we are right now 'stalking the predator' so to speak, picking up the threads from the wider field. It would be very easy at this stage to get unwittingly turned 180 degrees by something and loose the way. So i suppose everything with a dot to connect is being stirred into the pot.