Their Mind and the Emotional Matrix that we create with it.

[9eagle9]

Re- emphasizing how very important it is for us to be sovereign people.

[Mark/Rahkyt]

It doesn't help "it" that so much attention is being paid to the topic currently. This focuses "it's" attention upon the offending party(s). Calls for a different tactic in order to achieve the ends of isolating the "virus" as Modwiz put it.

Perhaps it is easy for those susceptible to the foreign installation to say amongst themselves that those who are positing the existence of some entity(s) that watches and influences the mind are über-paranoid. Or, to divert attention from the foreign installation by positing some other source of the infection. Something man-made. Or alien tech. This serves the interest of dismissing and justifying the position of expulsion and censorship. It also serves the interest of the base-level parasitical infection, the foreign installation, that has been around since we have.

Another excuse is to fix upon some perceived sleight and use it to justify all following actions. This is normal in our world. This is typical behavior. But it is behavior that is being dispassionately controlled and played out at levels higher than most care to admit must pay attention to us in our seemingly petty dramas. By ignoring the implications, playing them off or denying them, it is possible to continue in this behavior even when it is known by those involved that is what is indeed occurring.

Someone posted earlier that we are "food for the moon". If one pays close attention to the ancient myths and tales, that quote can be expanded to humanity being "food for the gods" as well as other beings. Being cognizant of ultradimensional potentialities, it becomes very clear that everything we engage in at this level (3D) must have its correlation at higher levels of existence. As we farm, consume, manipulate our natural environment and the creatures within it, so must higher levels farm, consume and manipulate our natural environment and us, the creatures, within it.

[1inMany]

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
A little willpower and some free time, every day. Decision to be silent and still, and everything that moves is it, "their mind". Be mad, be bat sh!t crazy, for a little while, as it flails about with being recognized. A little more will power and the line is drawn, you're you, not "it". It's everywhere in this crazy world, be crazier in the face of it. The hardest/easiest part is realizing one's identity is a fake, some edge up to that realization and take off running the other way like their butt's on fire, which in a way, it is. Others go a little further, and whammo, you are what you are, nothing is easier, nothing to it.

Ohhhhhhh. Perseverance paid off. You are right, again, PL. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going.

I will not say I completely grasp the scope and have full understanding, but I will say I think I get it. So, when I identify thoughts (and emotions) that are not mine, then what? Is it as simple as going the other direction? If thoughts can have consciousness, will they accept that I simply walk away? Doesn't seem that is likely. And if these thoughts (and emotions) are on some sort of auto-play 24/7, then why can't I create an auto-play that offsets it? And what if I see programs running around me, and they are in children? Then what? I can watch from a distance, but it doesn't seem right that innocents are so taken advantage of. Okay, sorry, it isn't right that anyone is attacked like this. And, sorry again, "right" isn't the correct word. I don't know what is, but I lack the mental capacity to do any better at the moment.

[Beren]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
If the flyer mind knows you are observing or seeing it at work is enough to give it a tantrum. It, the flyer mind, panics because it has no where to hide. The only place it has to hide is whithin. If you are seeing the flyer mind within or without in others, it has no place to hide and panics. Usually it attacks. Most of its attacks are senseless to begin with so its fairly easy to spot.

Key in all this is to be focused when dealing with them. They use stealth mode all the time and prefer pulling the strings. If one sees them they freak out and as you said attack or try to immediately hide in another shape or frequency. Along with the effort of hiding they throw at you various thought forms or use others (who are unaware) to distract your focus upon them so that they can elude.

Here it takes vigilance, stay focused and completely mark the original frequency of "flyer" or similar entity so they can never escape your inner knowledge and detecting system.
As soon one does this ,one entity or even whole group of them are gone from your life.

People don't realize Christ's words about dealing with thoughts and its effect upon existence around us. Thoughts attract energies and entities.
Very religion made upon Christ is a telling example of attention distraction by "flyers" or entities.

It took few years or decades to dilute the message of Christ through organizing into religions out of the simple God's message through him.
But message being simple does not remove its utter value as power- Love. Whoever cares enough to embrace this utterly powerful message of Love, no entity of any kind can stop you from uniting with Source of life...

[Gardener]

Good example there Modwiz and PL, I took advantage of exactly that scenario recently to 'taunt the petty tyrant'.
It is rarely the case that these attacks are either deliberate or conscious, not at all; but some are!
Initially its not a good idea to go into intentional combat lol until there is some degree of self knowledge, our habitual responses.

Posted by PurpleLama (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
A classic move is people denying that they or you said something that you no you or they did say. The tactic is to make you doubt your perception or sanity.

Or the even more subtle, attack your spelling....

It needs to stay hidden at all costs, hence projection.

[bennycog]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
The Hopi believe everything in the universe is connected together by something that resembles a spiders web. (strands/webs) Reminds me of the string theory idea.

They also believe Grandmother Spider Woman molded the first man and woman on Earth from clay (they were twins). She created humans to keep the world in order, so far we're doing a great job huh?

Added: I forgot to mention, when you pluck a spiders web and watch the whole thing move, the Hopi say the universe works the same way to some extent. Such as if two bodies collide in our solar system the vibration of the collision vibrates the web that connects everything in the universe, thus the whole universe feels the collision. (They may be referring to just our galaxy, not sure)

Also, most NA tribes believe in "Spider Woman", believed by many tribes to be either the (female) creator of the universe and lives at it's center or creator of life on Earth. Everything is connected to her by her web.....strange that the creation legend of most NA tribes involves a spider huh?

Ley lines could be the spiderweb they speak of.. when you research it there are so many things connected along these l;ines that have spritual or ritualistic connections..

I feel they have a part to play and may have groups of awakened ones converse to use these energies..





http://ancient-wisdom.co.uk/leylines.htm

Most cultures have traditions and words to describe the straight, often geometric alignments that ran across ancient landscapes, connecting both natural and sacred prehistoric structures together. Usually the names given to represent these invisible lines are translated to an equivalent of 'spirit', 'dream', or 'energy' paths. However, apart from the physical presence of the sites themselves, proving the presence of a 'connection' between them is something that researchers have found notoriously elusive.

[Gardener]

Beren I couldn't agree more with you, in fact if one re-traces the steps to the 'church fathers' the eastern and Russian orthodox, in particular the hesychasts, we find they wrestled with these same problems.
St Theresa of avilla called them her 'reptiles' in her 'Castle', nothing new under the sun me thinks, and love is a powerful tool in the toolbox.

Posted by Beren (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
If the flyer mind knows you are observing or seeing it at work is enough to give it a tantrum. It, the flyer mind, panics because it has no where to hide. The only place it has to hide is whithin. If you are seeing the flyer mind within or without in others, it has no place to hide and panics. Usually it attacks. Most of its attacks are senseless to begin with so its fairly easy to spot.

Key in all this is to be focused when dealing with them. They use stealth mode all the time and prefer pulling the strings. If one sees them they freak out and as you said attack or try to immediately hide in another shape or frequency. Along with the effort of hiding they throw at you various thought forms or use others (who are unaware) to distract your focus upon them so that they can elude.

Here it takes vigilance, stay focused and completely mark the original frequency of "flyer" or similar entity so they can never escape your inner knowledge and detecting system.
As soon one does this ,one entity or even whole group of them are gone from your life.

People don't realize Christ's words about dealing with thoughts and its effect upon existence around us. Thoughts attract energies and entities.
Very religion made upon Christ is a telling example of attention distraction by "flyers" or entities.

It took few years or decades to dilute the message of Christ though organizing into religions out of the simple God's message through him.
But message being simple does not remove its utter value as power- Love. Whoever cares enough to embrace this utterly powerful message of Love, no entity of any kind can stop you from uniting with Source of life...

[Gardener]

It does say in the bible [...."a man's enemies are under his own roof"] it is those closest to us in who we have the most 'investment' that can be the main catalysts to an attack. They are not enemies as such but in this work they are our nemesis on a day to day basis.

[aikisaw]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
The current direction of the thread in relation to the topic at hand is building a deeper and more complex understanding of the nature of ultra-dimensional control matrices. It should be clear to all at this point that the problem is more than the foreign installation, that that is just one, relatively low level of infiltration that works in tandem with higher level forms of command and control that include the very nature of our world, both material and physical. The references to alchemy, to the moon, to saturn, to the mind, to the heart, to the tree of life, all imply that the human body itself is the battleground in this war for the souls of humanity.

Since this is so, all of the information gleaned by looking at the different videos, by visiting the different websites, builds to a body of knowledge that in fact rewires the brain, engages synapses, interrconnects neurons, creating a more intricate and interconnected neural net that - even if the information is totally understood or not at present - will lead, inevitably and irretrievably to a different state of mind and being within those who peruse this information. Our individual experiences and thoughts about these issues only reinforce the importance of backing up those thoughts with some hard evidence, or, an historical and esoteric background that further deepens the understanding, further solidifies the connections between neurons.

As far as the mind and creating a more informed neural network is concerned, intellect is one of the primary ways through which the foreign installation AND these higher matrices of command and control infiltrate us and maintain their control in seemingly subliminal manners. As we entertain thoughts about these issues the abstract concepts and higher esoteric realities are engaged, we are co-creating and reinforcing symbols and archetypes that are ancient in conception, giving them power. By being aware of the 8th Sphere, by being aware of the exact nature of the spheres of the tree of life - separate from the 8th Sphere mentioned previously - we are invoking them. Thought is energy, thought in motion builds e-motion, which, in its highest iteration is the power we command in order to manifest in materiality.

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All of the information in this thread has been passed down through many millenea. This information had to be protected from the construct. Great effort was went into having this information wiped off of the planet. Wars, library burnings, extermination of the tribes across the globe. If the construct had total control we would not be reading this.

Protected by who or what?

Are they plugged into the construct but not affected?

What do we know about these protectors of the truth? Is it possible to use your thought is energy idea and begin to send energies to the protectors? Grow this thought idea and take energy away from the construct or lessen the effects?

Or at a minimum just say thanks for waiting.

I understand more personal work is needed and this is not an attempt around that fact.

It might be good to seek out acknowledged allies.

I'm sorry I do not have any answers to this. I thought smarter people should look at this and see if it had merit.

[modwiz]

The teaching of Jesus, apart from all of the dogma, is some of the most distilled wisdom ever offered. I am pleased that those with eyes to see are seeing.

[sllim11]

my take on this awesome thread. for starters, it is "their" mind telling me i have nothing to say. telling me you guys are much better writers/thinkers than i am and not to post. so i see and am aware of this and ask my true self if this is indeed absolutely true. no, i notice it is my pride in reverse... not good enough. and knowing "pride" (being better than or less than in this case) is from "their" mind i know that it is not true.... so i post. seems to me like , at least on an individual level, "their" mind is also known as "ego". or, as in "the course of miracles" ... "one mad tiny thought". separates me from it ALL. from you from Source and from my true self. and one thought can take me out if i am not vigilant. for me it has a lot to do with staying in the moment. mindfulness. being the witness. "I AM". this takes me away from the past or future worries and what ifs and all of the endless cock-eyed stories that go with that... usually leading me to negative thoughts and/or anger, depression. which, as we know , is food for "them". and when they start feeding and i am feeding "it"... well that's a road i know too well and do not wish to go down if possible. they never fill up. i never fill up (this way).. so it is endless. tiring . and huge energy drain.

from my own experience i started with becoming aware of my thoughts and how negative they were. then it all snowballed into spiritual evolution. i changed the way i think with tons of practice. i (AM) see "their" thought and recognize it for what it is call it out as not me and let it go. thats just what i do in my practice. and i think this similar to what is being discussed here? if not then well ... ??? i definitely want to know what is being discussed.

[Gardener]

Just want to say awesome post and the thanks button was not quite enough I love how we all present it in a different way.

Posted by sllim11 (here)
my take on this awesome thread. for starters, it is "their" mind telling me i have nothing to say. telling me you guys are much better writers/thinkers than i am and not to post. so i see and am aware of this and ask my true self if this is indeed absolutely true. no, i notice it is my pride in reverse... not good enough. and knowing "pride" (being better than or less than in this case) is from "their" mind i know that it is not true.... so i post. seems to me like , at least on an individual level, "their" mind is also known as "ego". or, as in "the course of miracles" ... "one mad tiny thought". separates me from it ALL. from you from Source and from my true self. and one thought can take me out if i am not vigilant. for me it has a lot to do with staying in the moment. mindfulness. being the witness. "I AM". this takes me away from the past or future worries and what ifs and all of the endless cock-eyed stories that go with that... usually leading me to negative thoughts and/or anger, depression. which, as we know , is food for "them". and when they start feeding and i am feeding "it"... well that's a road i know too well and do not wish to go down if possible. they never fill up. i never fill up (this way).. so it is endless. tiring . and huge energy drain.

from my own experience i started with becoming aware of my thoughts and how negative they were. then it all snowballed into spiritual evolution. i changed the way i think with tons of practice. i (AM) see "their" thought and recognize it for what it is call it out as not me and let it go. thats just what i do in my practice. and i think this similar to what is being discussed here? if not then well ... ??? i definitely want to know what is being discussed.

[bennycog]

Posted by aikisaw (here)

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
The current direction of the thread in relation to the topic at hand is building a deeper and more complex understanding of the nature of ultra-dimensional control matrices. It should be clear to all at this point that the problem is more than the foreign installation, that that is just one, relatively low level of infiltration that works in tandem with higher level forms of command and control that include the very nature of our world, both material and physical. The references to alchemy, to the moon, to saturn, to the mind, to the heart, to the tree of life, all imply that the human body itself is the battleground in this war for the souls of humanity.

Since this is so, all of the information gleaned by looking at the different videos, by visiting the different websites, builds to a body of knowledge that in fact rewires the brain, engages synapses, interrconnects neurons, creating a more intricate and interconnected neural net that - even if the information is totally understood or not at present - will lead, inevitably and irretrievably to a different state of mind and being within those who peruse this information. Our individual experiences and thoughts about these issues only reinforce the importance of backing up those thoughts with some hard evidence, or, an historical and esoteric background that further deepens the understanding, further solidifies the connections between neurons.

As far as the mind and creating a more informed neural network is concerned, intellect is one of the primary ways through which the foreign installation AND these higher matrices of command and control infiltrate us and maintain their control in seemingly subliminal manners. As we entertain thoughts about these issues the abstract concepts and higher esoteric realities are engaged, we are co-creating and reinforcing symbols and archetypes that are ancient in conception, giving them power. By being aware of the 8th Sphere, by being aware of the exact nature of the spheres of the tree of life - separate from the 8th Sphere mentioned previously - we are invoking them. Thought is energy, thought in motion builds e-motion, which, in its highest iteration is the power we command in order to manifest in materiality.

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All of the information in this thread has been passed down through many millenea. This information had to be protected from the construct. Great effort was went into having this information wiped off of the planet. Wars, library burnings, extermination of the tribes across the globe. If the construct had total control we would not be reading this.

Protected by who or what?

Are they plugged into the construct but not affected?

What do we know about these protectors of the truth? Is it possible to use your thought is energy idea and begin to send energies to the protectors? Grow this thought idea and take energy away from the construct or lessen the effects?

Or at a minimum just say thanks for waiting.

I understand more personal work is needed and this is not an attempt around that fact.

It might be good to seek out acknowledged allies.

I'm sorry I do not have any answers to this. I thought smarter people should look at this and see if it had merit.

I think from a future present we could look back and see that most secrets where hidden amongst fiction and fantasy because it was the most obvious place to hide it..

I feel i am moving faster in my transiton, that is because i am putting out into the uiniverse to have more and more people that are getting higher in their vibration to be around me and help me.. I know that i will realise that some of things i thought were wrong and holding me back, but that was what needed to happen..

And i also feel that quickening, ( not urgent, but things being placed like good management to reach your task without hassle ) and protective forces keeping some people back till a certain point where convergence will bring about the new future..

[9eagle9]

All of the information in this thread has been passed down through many millenea. This information had to be protected from the construct. Great effort was went into having this information wiped off of the planet. Wars, library burnings, extermination of the tribes across the globe. If the construct had total control we would not be reading this.



Protected by who or what?

There you have something called the past taking care of the future. I can only speak for my culture (gaelic) but my druidic ancestors literally put this in their genetic line, in the collective conscious as well in such a way to that it would be brought out in the open at some point in time. That time is now. Not that this hasn't been made known before but it didn't catch, because the 'their' mind wants to burrow it, get rid of anyone who knows about it. Silence them, ostracize them, demonize them. DNA is self preserving for the most part.. Knowing it could no longer be recorded in places like Alexandria it got recorded within in such a way the flyer mind couldn't quite get a hold of it. More of that is in Vivek's thread.

And I credit something called balance. When the Flyer mind comes at you, if stand the right way, Balance will push back for you.

Are they plugged into the construct but not affected?

They unplugged. Or started to unplug, or are getting there. People who by whatever means can start to see this at work are the ones unplugging. They are also then unplugging how their personal energy is used to feed the Matrix. That's all of us who care to acknowledge what it has done to us personally. For those who disclaim responsiblity....well they aren't unplugging from the Matrix. They are serving it's mind.

What do we know about these protectors of the truth?

What do you know about yourself? You are a protector of the truth. Everyone inhabiting this thread is.

Is it possible to use your thought is energy idea and begin to send energies to the protectors? Grow this thought idea and take energy away from the construct or lessen the effects?

Yes. Its hard to do. They depend on the same lies, the same deceit, it builds a story and tries to make it a reality. Another Matrix within a matrix. Like I said all you have to is observe it and stand in the truth of what you are observing. That's all. Like Modwiz says it always tries to make you feel like YOU are insane or some other deviant quality that it is actually possessed of.


I understand more personal work is needed and this is not an attempt around that fact.

It might be good to seek out acknowledged allies.

I'm sorry I do not have any answers to this. I thought smarter people should look at this and see

All of the above. No matter how much one knows about this thing, it finds another outlet. For all intents and purposes its very predictable and does the same thing over and over again. Creates a problem, fans a reaction, provides a solution. Which is no solution its just a way to make it 'feel' safe.

And for my part, if you are seeing this at work, then you are the smarter people that are already looking at it.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

And people in the past died just to get this information to us in the present. For that reason ..I honor it.

[9eagle9]

SLIM11 I haven't seen you in a long time. It's nice to see you wherever you have been.

[aikisaw]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
All of the information in this thread has been passed down through many millenea. This information had to be protected from the construct. Great effort was went into having this information wiped off of the planet. Wars, library burnings, extermination of the tribes across the globe. If the construct had total control we would not be reading this.



Protected by who or what?


There you have something called the past taking care of the future. I can only speak for my culture (gaelic) but my druidic ancestors literally put this in their genetic line, in the collective conscious as well in such a way to that it would be brought out in the open at some point in time. That time is now. Not that this hasn't been made known before but it didn't catch, because the 'their' mind wants to burrow it, get rid of anyone who knows about it. Silence them, ostracize them, demonize them. DNA is self preserving for the most part.. Knowing it could no longer be recorded in places like Alexandria it got recorded within in such a way the flyer mind couldn't quite get a hold of it. More of that is in Vivek's thread.

And I credit something called balance. When the Flyer mind comes at you, if stand the right way, Balance will push back for you.

Are they plugged into the construct but not affected?

They unplugged. Or started to unplug, or are getting there. People who by whatever means can start to see this at work are the ones unplugging. They are also then unplugging how their personal energy is used to feed the Matrix. That's all of us who care to acknowledge what it has done to us personally. For those who disclaim responsiblity....well they aren't unplugging from the Matrix. They are serving it's mind.

What do we know about these protectors of the truth?

What do you know about yourself? You are a protector of the truth. Everyone inhabiting this thread is.

Is it possible to use your thought is energy idea and begin to send energies to the protectors? Grow this thought idea and take energy away from the construct or lessen the effects?

Yes. Its hard to do. They depend on the same lies, the same deceit, it builds a story and tries to make it a reality. Another Matrix within a matrix. Like I said all you have to is observe it and stand in the truth of what you are observing. That's all. Like Modwiz says it always tries to make you feel like YOU are insane or some other deviant quality that it is actually possessed of.


I understand more personal work is needed and this is not an attempt around that fact.

It might be good to seek out acknowledged allies.

I'm sorry I do not have any answers to this. I thought smarter people should look at this and see

All of the above. No matter how much one knows about this thing, it finds another outlet. For all intents and purposes its very predictable and does the same thing over and over again. Creates a problem, fans a reaction, provides a solution. Which is no solution its just a way to make it 'feel' safe.

And for my part, if you are seeing this at work, then you are the smarter people that are already looking at it.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

And people in the past died just to get this information to us in the present. For that reason ..I honor it.

9eagle9

And I credit something called balance. When the Flyer mind comes at you, if stand the right way, Balance will push back for you


Could you expand on balance. I have some ideas about it from a martial arts view but I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing.

It was described more as center. When you started out it was below your belly button, at the higher levels you could move center to your hand or foot, after that you could move center anywhere you wanted it did not need to be attached to your body . As in center could be 4 feet behind your opponent.


Is it possible to use your thought is energy idea and begin to send energies to the protectors? Grow this thought idea and take energy away from the construct or lessen the effects?

Yes. Its hard to do. They depend on the same lies, the same deceit, it builds a story and tries to make it a reality. Another Matrix within a matrix. Like I said all you have to is observe it and stand in the truth of what you are observing. That's all. Like Modwiz says it always tries to make you feel like YOU are insane or some other deviant quality that it is actually possessed of.

It may be worth the the difficulty. There is something in this idea. I need to rethink the question I asked and come at this from a different place. I am brain locked right now and I need some time to think about it.

[9eagle9]

Could you expand on balance. I have some ideas about it from a martial arts view but I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing.

It was described more as center. When you started out it was below your belly button, at the higher levels you could move center to your hand or foot, after that you could move center anywhere you wanted it did not need to be attached to your body . As in center could be 4 feet behind your opponent.


Marital arts isn't much different from dressage another martial art conducted on horseback that is all mental, spiritual, and energetic balance. Centering is all about balance, finding your balance. Gravity is my opponent. If I am not balanced my horse becomes my opponent. Or rather gravity will unbalance both of us when we lose our center and start working against each other. I can make my horse lose its center. Then the entire breakdown of communication starts. At different times to move my horse I have to move my center to move him along. Until he jumps I want to be just behind his center and ready to bend into it as he lifts off the ground. Pretty soon this is effortless as I just let balance and movement take me instead of resisting it.

Most people who practice martial arts for balance rather than to get into it for ego reasons know the 'their' mind already. They may not know they are knowing their mind, but they still know it.

You get your balance behind your opponent and you can respond as if you know their next move. I've already predicted the next moves of their mind in this thread, and so have a few other people.

It may be worth the the difficulty. There is something in this idea. I need to rethink the question I asked and come at this from a different place. I am brain locked right now and I need some time to think about it.



I'm not sure its brainlock. It seems to be you know something you didn't realize you knew. Once you realize what you know..where can you go. You already know. You just didn't realize you knew it.

We simply just trust what we know then. Just like you trust your 'unthinking' reflex like you do when you do marital arts.

[sllim11]

hey 9e9!! long time yes. i've been around... hope to have more time to post these days. cheers.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
SLIM11 I haven't seen you in a long time. It's nice to see you wherever you have been.

[8t88]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
8t88, welcome to Avalon. Your join date alongside the fact that your first post was in this thread speaks to the fact that you do indeed hold this topic in high regard. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and making such salient points. I had forgotten the term "Stalking", even though it is such an important aspect of Don Juan's teachings. It is what we have been talking about, in that it refers to how we watch our thoughts. The aspect of stalking that Don Juan talked about most was that of engaging with other people in the world. This also brings into play other related practices that are a part of Don Juan's Toltec teachings. Those are "Controlled Folly" and the "Petty Tyrant". Those are important topics that others can expound upon if they wish but as it pertains to what I am discussing now it refers to watching the flow of thoughts and controlling them.

Thanks for your kind words. It is not easy to find a place where you can discuss some of this concepts and their mechanics freely. To be honest, I am still pleasantly surprised that there is more than a few people here that can track this line of thought.

In my experience 'stalking oneself' is the only correct approach, if anybody wants to really change things. Stalking applies to everything of course, external or internal, and serves as a great learning mechanism to understand not how or when but why.

There is number of degrees in stalking (really understanding why something happens and what real motives are) and it is _much_ easier to analyze others then self. Stalking oneself is also much more unpleasant than anything else and there is number of obstacles if person tries to do that for a first time. Fliers mind will rather let me do _anything_ else than analyzing myself. And I really mean anything else.

It is oh-so-much-easier to spot your faulty ways (lol) and feel obliged to correct them than to do that with myself. I can have some stalking skills but still fall short as soon as I notice there is anything wrong with what you are doing. I can get righteous and try to correct your flaws right away or I can start indulging and admiring how skilled I am -- anything will do if that can prevent me from looking inside first.

Trying to correct you before I cleaned my yard first is great distraction and works flawlessly almost all the time. Can I correct you if I am not clear about my motives first and if I am driven by fliers induced motives? Of course not. Trying to change you before I changed myself is not going to work and never does really work.

Joining any group before I know what my exact drives are is going to bring only mess to that group. And so on, traps are numerous - all designed to prevent me from examining what really matters.

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
There are a few key strategies:

1. Is this thought contextual?

This is absolutely most important approach to stalking. Applies to both internal or external stalking and is something that works all the time. When anything out-of-context happens it is sure sign that something else influences motives. It reminds me of Matrix movie when they explain what 'déjà vu' is. Out of context reactions, mine or not mine, are accurate sign of matrix kicking in. There is literally nothing else apart from this skill that can transform non-stalker into stalker. When one tunes in with recognizing out of context events, everything becomes much easier to understand.

[T Smith]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)

If one pays close attention to the ancient myths and tales, that quote can be expanded to humanity being "food for the gods" as well as other beings. Being cognizant of ultradimensional potentialities, it becomes very clear that everything we engage in at this level (3D) must have its correlation at higher levels of existence. As we farm, consume, manipulate our natural environment and the creatures within it, so must higher levels farm, consume and manipulate our natural environment and us, the creatures, within it.

This pretty much gets to the crux of it. Their mind, the foreign installation, may be a gross conglomerate of many inter-dimensional predators. If we are all symbionts, it is not just a relationship of duality we need discern; it is a struggle to secure our right mind and establish a coherent focus among the static engulfing and attacking us. I joined this thread late (regrettably) and also look forward to another engaging marathon reading through Vivek's thread, presumably, from what I have gathered herein, on this very subject matter.

I would submit that which is their mind is a plurality of forces vying for our constitution, that mind, or right mind, which is spirit and which is fertile and transcends dimension in being. This is the human experience in its purity, when freed from the prison matrix, aka their mind. Is it just about food? These entities are lacking and need life force to survive; be it for sustenance, to heal their spiritual and perhaps even dimensional sterility, to reproduce their life force, or for whatever the underlying vampirism. Does it matter? The Archons, the Greys, the Reptilians, the Controllers, etc., etc. Are they all but tentacles of the same underlying force? Are they all but competing parasites or legs of the same spider? At some point it simply breaks down to human and non-human, whatever the non-human element be.

The vortex was ripped open long ago and more and more inter-dimensional energies infest the psychic element of (3d) consciousness grid. Throw in the white hats and so-called benevolent balance to it all; it is all static and an imposed matrix that programs the mind to a state of utter paralysis and bondage to serve the competing energies vying for our right mind. Factions of this static have even achieved a remote manifestation in our (3d) consciousness grid (perhaps with only with the ability to manifest one or two inter-dimensional cosmonauts at a time) but enough contact to physically alter our DNA hundreds of thousands of years ago (presumably to improve their batteries), or perhaps more sinister, to groom an evolving species that contained a critical lacking resource to merge with their beings so they need not feed off our life force any longer, but become one with it. Their mind overwriting our mind, their DNA becoming our DNA, their life force becoming our life force. Ladies and gentlemen, enter Trans-humanism stage left. They created the matrix and have culled the race time and time again, as gardner prunes a bush, to make the energy on which they feed (and with which they will eventually merge) more vital, more vibrant, more strong. Any horticulturalist can recognize this pattern.

Eisenhower was bamboozled. A small pin-prick in our (3d) consciousness grid produced a manifestation of the parasite; they convinced the management structure of the most prolific-producing nation on the planet that they were invincible and could easily (and would certainly) destroy and devour our species and even the entire planet in our own (3d) manifestation of reality, unless we capitulate, and accept their good-will treaty of co-existence. It was a bluff. In reality they had little leverage (at that stage of the game anyway). They did not tell Eisenhower et. al that what they had in mind was to up the ante in the symbiotic wars being waged upon our right mind, which had already plagued the species psychically for thousands and thousands of years. They would give us their technology in exchange for the right to extract and study our DNA. How very clever. The technology we supposed was a bargaining chip played right into their hand. This was a classic one-sided, 100% bamboozlement. Eisenhower received no spiritual counsel on the matter, so he had no way of knowing that our (3d) reality was but a projection of our collective consciousness (albeit a projection of their mind) psychically tainted though it was, it was nonetheless impervious, more or less, to a capitulation in the 3d sense. The technology they gave us, however, which spawned the computer and the Internet, among other things, would serve their hand, not ours. It was all a con. It was an infiltration, a seed in the force field that enveloped our protective (3d) collective consciousness grid, which until then was a psychic manifestation of their mind, but not so much a physical manifestation of their mind. So while the earthly technocrats supposed the treaty would serve the power of the State, to control their clueless subjects and keep them in serfdom while they pursued a breakaway human civilization, what it really did was put the ball in motion to take down the (3d) consciousness grid itself, in time, and usher in AI and trans-humanism so the parasites could simply use our biological beings as avatars in an inevitable physical (3d) matrix. We humans were but the useful idiots (and spiritual DNA) of this equation. We launched their own technology in our grid, against ourselves -- something that was not possible without human compliance. At the same time, they perfected cross-species breeding and DNA experiments via the abductions. This intimate scientific understanding of our constitution coupled with the burgeoning technology served the driving force to set afoot a species fully on the yolk, rendered more zombified, more dumbed-down, and even more susceptible to the demands of their mind, to the point where these entities will eventually have the ability to fully enter our realm like a swarm of locust. We are fully being attacked by this program, a full-fledged inter-dimensional assault. And of course this all just one part of the white noise engulfing us.