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    Quote Posted by witchy1 (here)
    Here's a former head of the CIA going before a house committee to state on record that his agency has been quite active in manipulating American media instruments: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

    Here's a story from 2002 about how The Pentagon plans to release fake media stories to help promote their agenda! [link to news.bbc.co.uk]

    Man, it's a good thing that never actually happened! Imagine how confused we'd all be!

    Here's footage of CNN actually faking live news reports from a soundstage: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

    Here's EVERY INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST IN AMERICA FAILING TO NOTICE THE OBVIOUS FOR 12 YEARS:

    [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

    Here's a link to the Wikipedia entry on Operation Mockingbird:

    [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

    "Operation Mockingbird was a secret Central Intelligence Agency campaign to influence media beginning in the 1950s"

    I was contacted about three years back by someone who told me that he had been asked, over a decade previously, by the CIA to "write fiction" for them. He had turned down the assignment.

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    Default Re: MUST LISTEN -- Investigator Mike Powers: America, a nation now at war

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

    Curiouser and curiouser. I'm wondering if this isn't being done deliberately -- to stoke the fires of controversy.
    The stage has been set...


    It's a numbers game

    2 years ago Avalon was tested for this very scenario. The outcome wasn't the objective. The objective was to explore the factor(s) that stir up the truthers.

    As we are all more or less on the same side here, the outcome was at worst some fragmentation and ruffled feathers.

    In the wider world, we are a minority in the numbers game and that changes everything around.

    norman, I think your whole summary (This is only a shortened quote from your post) was percise and very to the point. great thought and plan were invested in the various moves 'they' are taking. In a way it's like a chess game where there is a need to get inside the head of the opponent, however, in the rules of this game, our own minds are transparent and visable to them. learning this fact, the best thing, I believe, is to quit playing the game - energetically speaking.

    We know now the participants and their way of thought, actions and behaviours. we have the right and the moral obligatory to tell people of what we know in ways that Bill has suggested in his post #137, but , I personally feel there is no need to feed ourselves to death with the shooting details or with any of their orchastrated deeds, it is important to notice it, get the general facts and details, recognise it for what it is and move on, there is plenty of evidence already in every area of our life whether it is finances, health, politics, media and corporation, that the average person can notice and build the picture of the world. Other than pointing it to them every once in a while and expressing ourselves truthfully, there is not much else we can do, (unless a person has a special assignment like, Mike Powers, Bill Ryan etc) although we feel we have to do much more. The ball is not only in the court of the so called 'controllers', but is in the court of the so called 'victims'.. everyone play their part. maybe our role is the hardest (for now), we are the spectators, not fun! but we are also responsible for keeping the energetics in a certain level of consciousness so it can grab a hold on this planet. We can not be arrested for doing that. The roof of the grand picture is way way high than what even they can see and understand.. there is always something else that plays the part, many of us are getting the signals, we have real aid on our side.

    I might be gravely wrong, but this is an energetic conflict above else, which is being translated into the physical, they know it and they work both ways. we better try and keep our energetics pure and undisturbed as possible while we focus on why WE are here and what WE would like to see happening, while keeping them on our radar and not only the other way around. Tough assignment, but we do know two things - we are immortal spiritual beings in development (evolution), however we relate to it on everyday life, second, again, they know things that we don't, they can see staff that we don't, hold technology that we don't, but they can not see the whole picture, by none.

    Thank you, Bill, for giving your response and your thoughts on how it is best to try and conduct ourselvs, very valuable.

    I am also reminded of the statement on the Avalon Round table page from the Avalon website. It is as good time as ever to take another look at it :


    Quote Being of sound mind, heart and spirit, we each declare the following to be true:

    We stand together for the future of the Human Race.

    We will not tolerate suppression of the truth.

    We stand together to support others in the expression of truths and freedom to speak out... no matter how radical those ideas may seem.

    Standing for freedom takes courage; together we shall be strong in the face of all odds.

    We will do everything we can to work towards the establishment of a new way of living together on Planet Earth.
    p.s

    This is not at all what I meant to write in response to norman, but I did, so I will leave it at that.
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    Default Re: MUST LISTEN -- Investigator Mike Powers: America, a nation now at war

    I think it entirely plausible that it could be a set up to discredit "truthers." Wasn't Alex Jones' appearance on CNN also to this end? Things are getting uncomfortably interesting....sigh.
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    Default Re: MUST LISTEN -- Investigator Mike Powers: America, a nation now at war

    Here are some interesting counter proposals to the Sandy Hook thing:

    http://www.salon.com/2013/01/18/your...piracy_theory/


    Quote
    The Unthinkable – Again


    Are massacres in America to be treated on a par with hurricanes and tornadoes – "acts of God"; natural disasters – tragic but inevitable and unavoidable?

    The normal thing to do after yet another massacre is to condemn gun ownership and demand gun control. Well, everyone knows that the gun laws of America aren't going to change in any significant way, no matter what.

    Guns aren't in fact our target. What we condemn is the most sacred cow of all – THE FAMILY. We are perpetually reviled for pointing out that the family home, when things go wrong, is the most toxic environment in the world. A failing family does nothing but produce neurosis and, finally, psychosis.

    The perpetrator of the latest massacre was apparently a quiet, intelligent young man. What drove him to become a mass murderer? Well, his mother, sadly. How do we know? Because she was the first to be gunned down. Apparently, she was a gun obsessive and frequently dragged her son along to target practice.

    We can imagine that the son was an introverted intellectual and the mother an extraverted anti-intellectual, craving that he should live up to her extraverted idea of what a son should be. We can imagine a never-ending personality and culture clash, culminating in the supreme irony – the son made his mother the target, using her own guns, through which she had expressed her dominance over him.

    These things are NO SURPRISE. Any psychologist observing what was going inside that house would have got in touch with the authorities to warn them, but, of course, what goes on inside countless toxic households is never observed – until it erupts with extreme violence into the outside world.



    What the world needs more than anything else is to acknowledge the poison that is present in so many family homes. In truth, there is no family on earth that wouldn't be improved by greater contact with the COMMUNITY.

    If the latest gunman had been raised in a community, he would have had friends and been much less isolated. He would have encountered adults more receptive to his personality type. His contact time with his mother – and all of the friction it involved – would have been enormously reduced. Without the constant fighting, he could have had a very loving relationship with his mother, based on "quality time". It's the EXCESS exposure to conflict that the family home often generates that is the source of so much of the world's misery. If this were diluted – via community living – we would all benefit.

    The gunman, seeing the outside world as a persecutory enemy, went on a murderous rampage. If he had been raised within a loving, supportive community, he would never have been alienated from everyone else.

    The gun debate isn't the issue at all. The real debate to be had is the FAMILY debate.

    Former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher said that there was no such thing as society, only families and individuals. That's the WHOLE problem. We have cutthroat competition between families and between individuals. Everyone's out to be top dog and to trample the opposition into the ground. We have no society, and no consideration for others.

    Why isn't the world moving towards far more community and society? Because it is ruled by extremely financially successful families enjoying the high life, who don't want to lose a single cent of their wealth, or sacrifice any of their power and influence. They want the world to be "atomized" into competing family units – because that's exactly the system that has proved so beneficial to them, and allowed them to get to the top.

    In a world of community and society, the elite families would no longer be relevant or accepted. Community and society would not tolerate excess wealth and power for a few, against the interests of the many.

    Never forget... if a family home is going wrong, it is always going wrong DISASTROUSLY. There is no such thing as a dysfunctional family producing great outcomes for society. Any problem you care to mention has its origins in the dysfunctional family. Any number of horrors and monsters are hidden behind the closed doors of the family home. The twenty little children of Newtown were sentenced to death in their school not because of anything they did but because of what was taking place in one toxic family home.

    "There's no place like home," we're told. Indeed! There's no pressure cooker more intense than a failing home. We are all told to keep out of private business, but it's not "private" – it's public, because sooner or later it spills out into the public arena, sometimes horrifically, as in Newtown.

    Community living throws open the doors and windows and lets fresh air and light into everything. Family LOVE is the most important thing any family has to offer but the family environment produces HATE when things go wrong. The home becomes a Shadow Generator, which then gets projected onto the outside world.

    Community living would take the pressure off, relieve the intensity, allow problems to be solved within a much wider context, allow people to reduce contact time during difficult periods, and so on. All of the incipient neuroses and psychoses would be prevented from growing into the horrific monsters they inevitably become if not addressed.

    It's not gun control that needs to be discussed, it's family control. But no politician will EVER condemn the family, just as no politician will ever call for the removal of guns from the family home.


    So, get ready for the next massacre. It should be coming along within the next six months. Who knows, maybe it's coming to somewhere near YOU.

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    A 5-year-old girl was suspended from school earlier this week after she made what the school called a "terrorist threat."

    Her weapon of choice? A small, Hello Kitty automatic bubble blower.

    The kindergartner, who attends Mount Carmel Area Elementary School in Pennsylvania, caught administrators' attention after suggesting she and a classmate should shoot each other with bubbles.

    "I think people know how harmless a bubble is. It doesn't hurt," said Robin Ficker, an attorney for the girl's family. According to Ficker, the girl, whose identity has not been released, didn't even have the bubble gun toy with her at school.


    The kindergartner was ordered to undergo a psychological evaluation during her 10-day suspension, which was later reduced to two days. The evaluation deemed the girl normal and not a threat to others, Ficker said.

    The girl's family is considering a lawsuit against the school to get the blemish - all because of bubbles - off their daughter's record.

    "The mother has tried to get the girl in another school since this time, and they won't take the little girl because of this mark on her record," Ficker said.

    The suspension comes one month after the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, which has created a heightened sense of alert at schools across the country.

    The Mount Carmel Area School District told ABC News, "We are confident that much of the information supplied to the media may not be consistent with the facts… The Mount Carmel Area School District takes the well-being and safety of students and staff very seriously."

    ABC News' Gio Benitez contributed to this report.
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    Default Re: MUST LISTEN -- Investigator Mike Powers: America, a nation now at war

    @ Bob,

    At this point and time they achieved the mindset that all are suspect of wrongdoing. Question is under what authority does a school admin. have to demand a psyche eval? Maybe the parents of the school districts should demand psyche evals of the school board and staff of the school and fire them if they protest. Looks like the PTB are getting the response they want as surmised in this thread. All they are really teaching the kids is to be scared, be suspicious and never be humorous.

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    Quote Posted by 4evrneo (here)
    Quote Posted by astrid (here)
    The question that keeps coming up for me, is how come this "op" was
    so sloppy, i mean sloppy beyond belief.
    I have been thinking the same thing ! It makes me wonder if they meant for it to have discrepancies to cause anger and upheaval. Its like they are trying to get strong reactions from the people so they can put the thumb down on us, especially now that its a felony to protest.
    I'm thinking they need the data to test their newly finished data center in Utah under extreme conditions. I'm also thinking it has something to do with the testing at CERN. When you look at all the variables, the blatant discrepancies, the outrage, the polarization, all very extreme, what a perfect setup for the perfect beta test?





    Excerpts:

    Officials in Washington won't say what the data center is for, but the NSA did issue a vague statement saying it will "strengthen and protect the nation's cyber-security." That's a critical mission, according to NSA director General Keith Alexander.

    But a Washington whistleblower says that's just a cover story for a serious threat to civil liberties. William Binney worked for the NSA for 32 years. He still lives by the highly secure headquarters near Baltimore.

    Binney led a team in the 1990s that developed software designed to sort through mountains of electronic data. It could slice and dice billions of emails, phone calls and Internet records, looking for clues to terrorist plots. But Binney's team built into the software sophisticated protections so that communications by U.S. citizens would be protected from NSA snooping.

    When the NSA passed over his system, Binney retired in anger, right after the attack on the World Trade Center.

    "It didn't take but probably a week or so after 9/11 that they decided to start spying on the U.S. domestically, on all U.S. citizens they could get," Binney said.

    He now suspects the facility in Bluffdale will be used to store incredible amounts of communication data so the NSA can sift through it, whether it's from foreign terrorists or law-abiding U.S. citizens. Emails, cellphone calls, Google searches; Binney calculated how much data such a huge facility could hold.

    "That means at Bluffdale, if you divide it out, you could get 5 zetabytes," he said. That's an incredible number that most of us can't really understand, but Binney gave an idea of what it means.

    "(It) pretty much means all the communications in the world, for roughly a hundred years," he said.

    The facility is 1 million square feet of space, with a price tag well above $1 billion; and it will have an appetite for electricity that would embarrass Godzilla. Computers and cooling systems at the NSA's Utah Data Center will reportedly consume $40 million worth of power each year.

    http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=22705217



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    Default Re: MUST LISTEN -- Investigator Mike Powers: America, a nation now at war

    Bill fantastic interview. I have to ask you what you believe in Max Igans theory on all of these 'stuff-ups' being deliberate to get the public angry to the point of civil war?

    Some threads on GLP (posted by anonymous users) have meticulous details of everything about this psy-op, all most as if written off a script.

    On the other hand ATS has lock down on just about every topic on Sandy Hook.

    I just would like to see your opinion on if you believe 'they' are deliberately letting these details out on purpose aka Max Igans thoughts? Cheers!


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    It gets better some people over at GLP have tied the name Lanza and Rodia the owner of the car as mob related. Also mob related is the guy found in the woods Chris Manfridonia .........Not sure what to make of this yet looks intriguing to say the least lots in this video..

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    Quote Posted by Reaver (here)
    Here are some interesting counter proposals to the Sandy Hook thing:

    http://www.salon.com/2013/01/18/your...piracy_theory/


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    Are massacres in America to be treated on a par with hurricanes and tornadoes – "acts of God"; natural disasters – tragic but inevitable and unavoidable?

    The normal thing to do after yet another massacre is to condemn gun ownership and demand gun control. Well, everyone knows that the gun laws of America aren't going to change in any significant way, no matter what.

    Guns aren't in fact our target. What we condemn is the most sacred cow of all – THE FAMILY. We are perpetually reviled for pointing out that the family home, when things go wrong, is the most toxic environment in the world. A failing family does nothing but produce neurosis and, finally, psychosis.

    The perpetrator of the latest massacre was apparently a quiet, intelligent young man. What drove him to become a mass murderer? Well, his mother, sadly. How do we know? Because she was the first to be gunned down. Apparently, she was a gun obsessive and frequently dragged her son along to target practice.

    We can imagine that the son was an introverted intellectual and the mother an extraverted anti-intellectual, craving that he should live up to her extraverted idea of what a son should be. We can imagine a never-ending personality and culture clash, culminating in the supreme irony – the son made his mother the target, using her own guns, through which she had expressed her dominance over him.

    These things are NO SURPRISE. Any psychologist observing what was going inside that house would have got in touch with the authorities to warn them, but, of course, what goes on inside countless toxic households is never observed – until it erupts with extreme violence into the outside world.



    What the world needs more than anything else is to acknowledge the poison that is present in so many family homes. In truth, there is no family on earth that wouldn't be improved by greater contact with the COMMUNITY.

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    So, get ready for the next massacre. It should be coming along within the next six months. Who knows, maybe it's coming to somewhere near YOU.
    Thanks for bringing this article to our attention, Reaver.

    A whole new theory to throw into the mix to continue the controversy...or maybe just muddle it up a bit?

    Sounds to me like they developed a theory and then tried to make the pieces fit...a conclusion based on "apparently" and "We can imagine..." does not create a solid arguement imo.

    Gotta love the final line...have to add the 'bugga bugga' bit of fear porn to create a reaction.

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    Default Re: MUST LISTEN -- Investigator Mike Powers: America, a nation now at war

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    Quote Posted by Reaver (here)
    Here are some interesting counter proposals to the Sandy Hook thing:

    http://www.salon.com/2013/01/18/your...piracy_theory/


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    Are massacres in America to be treated on a par with hurricanes and tornadoes – "acts of God"; natural disasters – tragic but inevitable and unavoidable?

    The normal thing to do after yet another massacre is to condemn gun ownership and demand gun control. Well, everyone knows that the gun laws of America aren't going to change in any significant way, no matter what.

    Guns aren't in fact our target. What we condemn is the most sacred cow of all – THE FAMILY. We are perpetually reviled for pointing out that the family home, when things go wrong, is the most toxic environment in the world. A failing family does nothing but produce neurosis and, finally, psychosis.

    The perpetrator of the latest massacre was apparently a quiet, intelligent young man. What drove him to become a mass murderer? Well, his mother, sadly. How do we know? Because she was the first to be gunned down. Apparently, she was a gun obsessive and frequently dragged her son along to target practice.

    We can imagine that the son was an introverted intellectual and the mother an extraverted anti-intellectual, craving that he should live up to her extraverted idea of what a son should be. We can imagine a never-ending personality and culture clash, culminating in the supreme irony – the son made his mother the target, using her own guns, through which she had expressed her dominance over him.

    These things are NO SURPRISE. Any psychologist observing what was going inside that house would have got in touch with the authorities to warn them, but, of course, what goes on inside countless toxic households is never observed – until it erupts with extreme violence into the outside world.



    What the world needs more than anything else is to acknowledge the poison that is present in so many family homes. In truth, there is no family on earth that wouldn't be improved by greater contact with the COMMUNITY.

    ----------

    So, get ready for the next massacre. It should be coming along within the next six months. Who knows, maybe it's coming to somewhere near YOU.
    Thanks for bringing this article to our attention, Reaver.

    A whole new theory to throw into the mix to continue the controversy...or maybe just muddle it up a bit?

    Sounds to me like they developed a theory and then tried to make the pieces fit...a conclusion based on "apparently" and "We can imagine..." does not create a solid arguement imo.

    Gotta love the final line...have to add the 'bugga bugga' bit of fear porn to create a reaction.
    An attempt to blame the family unit, and the mother in particular, for events likes these is a key focus of the thread I started yesterday about the film, 'We Need to Talk about Kevin'.

    The film is about a school shooting that takes place in Connecticut. (It was filmed not more than 40 miles from Newtown, and was released in 2011.)

    For those who may be interested in this info and that conversation, here is the link to the thread. https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...lk-About-Kevin
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    A quick note in agreement: Facebook is insecure, is 100% definitely a data-mining operation, and is not to be trusted.

    It's used to identify networks of people with connected interests, cross-correlating them with other collected data. When there are enough flags on an individual -- directly or indirectly -- then their profile becomes elevated to be watched more closely. Those at the very top of these accumulated lists will be targeted by various means.

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    Default Re: MUST LISTEN -- Investigator Mike Powers: America, a nation now at war

    Quote A quick note in agreement: Facebook is insecure, is 100% definitely a data-mining operation, and is not to be trusted.

    It's used to identify networks of people with connected interests, cross-correlating them with other collected data. When there are enough flags on an individual -- directly or indirectly -- then their profile becomes elevated to be watched more closely. Those at the very top of these accumulated lists will be targeted by various means.
    Internet forums are probably subject to the same scrutiny as Facebook, no?

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    This just in - Relating to Google Time Stamps



    I have also gone into the GeneologyBank website - got in without having created a username/password. Just tried a username/password that I have used in the past & got into the site & was allowed to do one search. Interesting thing that I noticed, the username that was posted on the page was NOT the username that I had typed in.

    Didn't know that I was only allowed one search. So, as a trial run on a 'first name/last name' search, I put in Adam Lanza name & got this:



    It appears that one would have to pay some money in order to access different kinds of searches. I found a posted message where a GPL member had paid a bit of money to do a search. He also tried to pull up the Adam Lanza page and it also came back "No Results Were Found"

    Got a feeling one just may have to have Adam Lanza's SSN in order to get the GeneologyBank search results that have been posted in that above video, which is accessed through a link found over @ GLP, which is probably going viral over the net in the last couple days. (Something may be up with that GLP forum, as well. Best to keep that skeptic's hat on, imo.)

    Funny thing, too, is that to access that particular Adam Lanza page, if you click on the link (which was initially posted over @ GLP), it takes you right into the website & onto that page, WITHOUT having to be screened with a username & password. http://www.genealogybank.com/gbnk/ss...3EB37C71A1FA78

    Just came away feeling that this GeneologyBank website is not very secure.

    Edit Note: TruthNow88 was the GLP user that posted the URL to the Adam Lanza Death page from that GeneologyBank website. Joined On 12/23/2012 7:10 PM. He/she has posted another one yesterday that lists all the victims of that event and the link to the GeiologyBank webpages that are related: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...1/pg6#35690995

    GLP username TruthNow88 may have a most interesting possible scenario on this. Here is what his thoughts are on this:

    "This is true, original reports at Sandy Hook were a suspect was wearing a nun outfit. 2 black robes are visible in multiple photos, right beside the suspect vehicle outside the front of the school.

    2 men were detained in the woods behind the school (not including Chris Manfredonia, the Gingerbread dad). One of these suspects is identified as an armed (no gun details) out of town tactical officer (no name given, he is the one wearing camo pants and is brought to the FRONT of the police car), the other man remains completely unidentified and there are VERY little details about him.

    2 additional suspects are described via police radio, as being in a purple van (with a window shot out), wearing black ski masks, and one still wearing a nun outfit.

    So basically we have 4 shooters (all dressed as nuns) + 1 patsy (Adam). 2 shooters ditch their nun outfits by the suspect vehicle after the shooting and wait in the woods to get detained (they know they will be let go, and stay at the scene specifically to control initial reports via their scripted info (injects)). The other 2 suspects leave the scene, are mentioned by police via scanner, and then never brought up again (this was never touched by the MSM).

    Confusion is then added everywhere it possibly can be to hide the true event, and overlay the wanted script in its place. This was done through multiple different overlapping events including but not limited to the Putnam Active-Shooter School Drill (happening at literally the exact same time), FEMA/DHS Course on children's response to crisis situations before, during & after disasters (9am-4pm) and the St rose school which was also raided that day (morning).

    Participants from the 4 different events (3 fake, 1 real) listed above then all gather at a single location (Sandy Hook Fire House) which is the media staging area. Facts from 4 different (but similar) events are then mixed together in a way to seem like a single event to the general public. These event overlaps were used to control the initial script of what happened that day (by cherry picking various different pieces of evidence & eyewitness accounts that match the story they want told, and presenting it all as the real SH Event). This is why their are so many variations to every piece of this event, because similar variations of everything happened that day at multiple different locations.

    The confusion around this event has less to do with bad reporting by the media, and more to do with calculated misdirection by cherry picking details and presenting multiple different events as a single occurrence (to control the script outcome).

    What happened that day? I have no idea, but it sure as hell isn't what we are being told (but it's more likely a Black-Op then a total Hoax)."


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    It gets better some people over at GLP have tied the name Lanza and Rodia the owner of the car as mob related. Also mob related is the guy found in the woods Chris Manfridonia .........Not sure what to make of this yet looks intriguing to say the least lots in this video..

    Not to add more to the commonalities involved, another question about any of the firearms recovered by the officials are any of them linked to "Fast and Furious" the justice dept distribution of weapons to cartels, street gangs etc.? What is the color of your piece of the puzzle? Too many common links that do not fit either side of the debate. Haven't heard any more about the investigations of death squads (teams) working out of NYC and the item of an Intelligence agency working their with the city which is not according to their charter. Why are these items downplayed and not proved or disproved. Government secrecy in this public matter is only strengthening disarray.

    Oh another question to answer is how can the present administration and the president propose law and write executive orders to cure the ills when they state the issue is still under investigation. If there are no conclusions of fact, how can you correct anything. Time for congress to kick ass or quit, I am sure we can find a few good men to do this.
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    Quote internet forums are probably subject to the same scrutiny as facebook, no?

    si !!!!!!!!

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    Quote Posted by gooty64 (here)
    Internet forums are probably subject to the same scrutiny as Facebook, no?
    It requires a more detailed answer than a simple yes or no.

    Yes, you publicly show who you befriended and yes you publicly show which posts you deem important by pushing
    the thanks button and even more important you voice your opinion in your own posts.

    But first of all you should realize that there are more parties out there taking data in. Some are more sophisticated
    than others so every measure of protection may work to secure your privacy somewhat.

    The biggest difference however is how they get to your data. When you run a website and have direct access to
    the database of members, posts etc. the data-mining is much easier, faster and deeper than when you have to get
    the data from published webpages.

    So the gray area is really about whether or not the agencies have direct access to the data or not.
    If Facebook is run by the CIA, or they have direct access to it, then that will make a big difference.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    A quick note in agreement: Facebook is insecure, is 100% definitely a data-mining operation, and is not to be trusted.

    It's used to identify networks of people with connected interests, cross-correlating them with other collected data. When there are enough flags on an individual -- directly or indirectly -- then their profile becomes elevated to be watched more closely. Those at the very top of these accumulated lists will be targeted by various means.
    Isn't it interesting that we ourselves (all face book users) built this data base for THEM? Google is using all these tricks now too.

    All users are updating the data base and adding to it daily!

    This facial recognition stuff is about beyond viral too ....and quite wicked also.
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    Quote Posted by gripreaper (here)
    Quote Posted by 4evrneo (here)
    Quote Posted by astrid (here)
    The question that keeps coming up for me, is how come this "op" was
    so sloppy, i mean sloppy beyond belief.
    I have been thinking the same thing ! It makes me wonder if they meant for it to have discrepancies to cause anger and upheaval. Its like they are trying to get strong reactions from the people so they can put the thumb down on us, especially now that its a felony to protest.
    I'm thinking they need the data to test their newly finished data center in Utah under extreme conditions. I'm also thinking it has something to do with the testing at CERN. When you look at all the variables, the blatant discrepancies, the outrage, the polarization, all very extreme, what a perfect setup for the perfect beta test?





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    Officials in Washington won't say what the data center is for, but the NSA did issue a vague statement saying it will "strengthen and protect the nation's cyber-security." That's a critical mission, according to NSA director General Keith Alexander.

    But a Washington whistleblower says that's just a cover story for a serious threat to civil liberties. William Binney worked for the NSA for 32 years. He still lives by the highly secure headquarters near Baltimore.

    Binney led a team in the 1990s that developed software designed to sort through mountains of electronic data. It could slice and dice billions of emails, phone calls and Internet records, looking for clues to terrorist plots. But Binney's team built into the software sophisticated protections so that communications by U.S. citizens would be protected from NSA snooping.

    When the NSA passed over his system, Binney retired in anger, right after the attack on the World Trade Center.

    "It didn't take but probably a week or so after 9/11 that they decided to start spying on the U.S. domestically, on all U.S. citizens they could get," Binney said.

    He now suspects the facility in Bluffdale will be used to store incredible amounts of communication data so the NSA can sift through it, whether it's from foreign terrorists or law-abiding U.S. citizens. Emails, cellphone calls, Google searches; Binney calculated how much data such a huge facility could hold.

    "That means at Bluffdale, if you divide it out, you could get 5 zetabytes," he said. That's an incredible number that most of us can't really understand, but Binney gave an idea of what it means.

    "(It) pretty much means all the communications in the world, for roughly a hundred years," he said.

    The facility is 1 million square feet of space, with a price tag well above $1 billion; and it will have an appetite for electricity that would embarrass Godzilla. Computers and cooling systems at the NSA's Utah Data Center will reportedly consume $40 million worth of power each year.

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