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    Default Re: Lack of Thorium Reactors is Evidence of a Global Agenda

    1st Meltdown-Free Nuclear Power Plant In China 2017



    https://www.rt.com/news/332254-china...-free-reactor/

    hmm.... we know they are also pouring major research into Thorium Reactors... I wonder if this is a stepping stone technology?

    Quote China says it is planning to bring a safe nuclear power plant that will not suffer from meltdowns online in November 2017. It would be the world’s first high-temperature, gas-cooled pebble-bed nuclear plant built on an industrial scale.
    China’s Nuclear Engineering Construction Corporation wants to introduce a high temperature, pebble-bed, gas-cooled nuclear reactor, in the Shandong Province, south of the capital, Beijing. The company is planning to bring twin 105-megawatt reactors online that would be immune to meltdown. It is hoped that the power station will start working by November 2017.

    The Chinese are using a design developed in Germany, though the nuclear reactor which is being built in Shandong will be the first commercial-scale atomic power plant of its kind to be constructed.

    “This technology is going to be on the world market within the next five years,” said Zhang Zuoyi, director of the Institute of Nuclear and New Energy Technology, Technology Review reported. “We are developing these reactors to belong to the world.”



    There's two angles on this that come to my mind just off the top...
    1) There may be some technological hurdle that hasn't been properly addressed in "Large Scale" Thorium Reactors that needs to be perfected, I remember there was an issue with the caustic nature of liquid thorium.... but the main gist, according to Kirk Sorenson, is that they would be way cheaper to build... since like this reactor, what they both have in common is the high temperature aspect and I am assuming lower pressure as well, although that wasn't mentioned... and it does sort of remind of the Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor... i.e. there may be some a material science technological issue that needs to solved to build long term stable reactors... (Although one would think, in this day and age, that would be a no brainer...)

    The other is: (Something like 1)
    2) The basic premise that if the technology is sophisticated enough and the cost is prohibitive enough, then China would gain a technological edge in the market place... as the first in the market of what is essentially a new and unique design, the safetly aspect, if accurate, will guarantee untold billions in guaranteed sales... And... ALL the PTB always want to maintain... "CONTROL OF DISTRIBUTION"...

    i.e. Perhaps the technology (on Thorium Reactors) isn't the issue and Sorenson is 100% transparent (as he seems) ...and they did have a perfectly working prototype running in the late 60's after all... and on a relative shoestring budget at that!... In that case, it could be argued that if Thorium Reactor technology was TOO easy, and became TOO commonplace... then EVERYONE would eventually be able to get around the patents and start building their own... and that might be too much freedom.... High technology and High Cost equals the "necessity" of "Government Intervention" and controls entry into the market from competition and keeps the CONTROL OF DISTRIBUTION .... centralized in the hands of Government...

    So the question remains... what happened to the LFTR Thorium Reactors? Where do they fit in?
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    Default Re: Lack of Thorium Reactors is Evidence of a Global Agenda

    You can very easily use the argument that there is mass corruption in the nuclear waste game. That being said, I do not think this can account for the entire world falling prey to this kind of corruption. I think it possible that the secret space program has it's roots in the 50's, and as such I also think it is possible that our nuclear power plants may act as a spacecraft fuel refining facility.
    This fuel may be in use by the secret space program, or it may have value in trade to "other" civilizations.




    Quote This article is about the 1950s nuclear propulsion project. For other spaceflight vehicles called Orion, see Orion in space.

    An artist's conception of the NASA reference design for the Project Orion spacecraft powered by nuclear propulsion.


    Project Orion was a study of a spacecraft intended to be directly propelled by a series of explosions of atomic bombs behind the craft (nuclear pulse propulsion). Early versions of this vehicle were proposed to take off from the ground with significant associated nuclear fallout; later versions were presented for use only in space.
    The idea of rocket propulsion by combustion of explosive substance was first proposed by Russian explosives expert Nikolai Kibalchich in 1881, and in 1891 similar ideas were developed independently by German engineer Hermann Ganswindt. General proposals of nuclear propulsion were first made by Stanislaw Ulam in 1946, and preliminary calculations were made by F. Reines and Ulam in a Los Alamos memorandum dated 1947.[1] The actual project, initiated in 1958, was led by Ted Taylor at General Atomics and physicist Freeman Dyson, who at Taylor's request took a year away from the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton to work on the project.
    The Orion concept offered high thrust and high specific impulse, or propellant efficiency, at the same time. The unprecedented extreme power requirements for doing so would be met by nuclear explosions, of such power relative to the vehicle's mass as to be survived only by using external detonations without attempting to contain them in internal structures. As a qualitative comparison, traditional chemical rockets—such as the Saturn V that took the Apollo program to the Moon—produce high thrust with low specific impulse, whereas electric ion engines produce a small amount of thrust very efficiently. Orion would have offered performance greater than the most advanced conventional or nuclear rocket engines then under consideration. Supporters of Project Orion felt that it had potential for cheap interplanetary travel, but it lost political approval over concerns with fallout from its propulsion.[2]
    The Partial Test Ban Treaty of 1963 is generally acknowledged to have ended the project. However, from Project Longshot to Project Daedalus, Mini-Mag Orion, and other proposals which reach engineering analysis at the level of considering thermal power dissipation, the principle of external nuclear pulse propulsion to maximize survivable power has remained common among serious concepts for interstellar flight without external power beaming and for very high-performance interplanetary flight. Such later proposals have tended to modify the basic principle by envisioning equipment driving detonation of much smaller fission or fusion pellets, although in contrast Project Orion's larger nuclear pulse units (nuclear bombs) were based on less speculative

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    Default Re: Lack of Thorium Reactors is Evidence of a Global Agenda

    Because all tha was expose above I think the furry hand of the dark energy cartel is on this , preventing any new ideas to came up to the surface. Thinking any other country would do it , , hmmm I doubt it because the dark cabal own the central banks of every country in the world !

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    Oak Ridge National Laboratory - The Molten-Salt Reactor Experiment


    Could this be any more straight forward? If anything they were being way too modest... This proof of concept design went live on June 1st 1965!... 1965! (a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away from over-hyped, politically motivated marketing "alien planet" we live on today... '; P )

    This is really an excellent primer before looking at Kirk Sorenson's stuff... what he based his model on...

    I keep hearing and seeing more about this... (maybe cause I keep looking it up on the internet : D ... but it's starting to sound like the US might be involved somewhere in the background with the Chinese efforts at building a pre-fabricated modular design (I'm guessing...) i.e. what else could be taking so long?

    Everything's been done and proven, from design to working model, etc... back in 1965 for God's sake!... The only thing left really is for the Chinese to build a modular design amenable to mass factory production... and voila... no more (fake) "energy crisis"...

    edit: I guess technically, if you watch it, you can see they were just discussing the idea of the fast breeder near the end of the video... but as they were saying throughout, Thorium as nuclear energy worked almost according to prediction and flawlessly and was 'self balancing' or 'self homeostatic' which was addressed and confirmed in Sorenson's interviews with the original engineers. If anything with the additional applications/innovations including with his LFTR design, i.e. using the radioactive by product for beneficial commercial applications, and using the excess heat to power something else (free heat) like desalinating water, the efficiencies are freaking endless... off the chart really...

    i.e. it would be so ridiculously safe and low maintenance... and there would no country in the world that couldn't afford to not have it... whoever gets it to market first... wins... end of story (and happily ever after... ?)

    (oh wait... I think I just asked my question and answered it... (dohhh!!!)
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    Default Re: Lack of Thorium Reactors is Evidence of a Global Agenda

    Quote Posted by DNA (here)
    You can very easily use the argument that there is mass corruption in the nuclear waste game. That being said, I do not think this can account for the entire world falling prey to this kind of corruption. I think it possible that the secret space program has it's roots in the 50's, and as such I also think it is possible that our nuclear power plants may act as a spacecraft fuel refining facility.
    This fuel may be in use by the secret space program, or it may have value in trade to "other" civilizations.
    In a nutshell... as I begin to see the technology and the 'big picture'... the money the Rockefeller oligopolists make from refining Uranium and supplying is why no one can break into the market... apparently ever since they 'fired' Alvin Weinberg... who was the inventor and patent holder for BOTH designs and he clearly wanted to go with the Thorium, as the more efficient, safer model...

    The Bureaucratic blockade that Milton Shaw put in place against Liquid Molten Salt Reactor is still the NUMBER ONE reason blocking this technology... it protects the BILLIONS that the Rockefeller controlled interest (just saying Rockefeller...) have in the old technology... side by side competition with MSR would wipe them out... financially, engineering wise, by-product wise (because by products of Thorium have non military commercial application), ecologically, i.e. 100 hundreds of times less waste, etc, etc ad nauseum...

    This tells me they KNEW VERY WELL what the MSR technology represented... they just wanted plutonium... That was then... This is now... These protectionist regulatory regulations that are killing the US economy and sucking billions and billions unnecessarily are killing MSR...

    And the sense I am getting these boys (Kirk, et al...) are brilliant scientists and technologists... but I am starting to see they are not promoting this right... (They need marketing consultation...) and they are not tackling the regulation issue head on... They need to educate the public better to get social momentum... I have been following this thing for how long now? and I am just starting to really appreciate what he is talking about and it is blowing my mind even more... The plutonium FAST BREEDER is a TOTAL ROCKEFELLER SCAM...

    .07% efficiency vs over 95% efficiency? High Pressure Reactors 10,20,30 times more expensive to build? the hundred atmospheres of pressures makes it totally unsafe.. at the scales they are building them... it's only 'plus' was creating plutonium for the military... the US has had literally decades to perfect MSR... which was already 90% done!... in retrospect... Alvin should have laid low... and just let it go... and maybe they wouldn't have buried it in so such a huge pile of regulatory restrictions... (someone was clearly trying to cover their arses...) the bias and prejudice was 100% unjustified... 100%...

    This is similar to the William Randolph Hearst story all over, who single handedly bought the government to block Hemp growth which would have been in direct competition with his pulp and paper investment in forestry... the result: he became a multi billionaire and deface our continent of millions and millions and millions of trees... (thank you William Randolph...) This is exactly what is happening with Plutonium Fast Breeders vs Thorium liquid Molten Salt Reactors... it's a no brainer...

    And if the public doesn't wake up it will continue bleeding billions into the Rockefeller bank accounts until China and India perfect and mass produce it... (in the next 10 years...) and the public can't wake up until they understand (REALLY WELL) what Kirk and others are explaining here... Once you see it... it's enraging... I can't believe how polite Kirk and the others are (they are engineers...) and I think this is a mistake... it's just way too polite to the point of being misleading...
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    Default Re: Lack of Thorium Reactors is Evidence of a Global Agenda

    Energy From Thorium: A Nuclear Waste Burning Liquid Salt Thorium Reactor


    From 2009... I think this one gives a clearer picture of what Kirk was trying to say, watch as many of his videos to get as many angles on what he is saying... including the alternative visionaries... each one is suggesting a different way to get Thorium into commercial production in their own way... I think Kirks is the most idealistic... what it could be in a 'perfect world' with government support, private investment, full regulatory support, etc..

    of course this won't happen until, we the people put a fire under the governments arse... (as always, the same story eh... ) : (
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    Kirk Sorensen (CEO of Flibe Energy) has finally broken through the proverbial "Glass Ceiling"...
    ...Has found an ally in the "Major Corporation" Arena... After 7 Years of Fighting the Good Fight


    LFTR (Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor) Defended by Kirk Sorensen @ TEC2018



    2018-07-10:
    Flibe Energy Awarded 2.6 Million to Develop NF3 Fluorination with Pacific NorthWest National Labs

    2019-04-01:
    Flibe Energy and PNNL Contract For NF3 Fluorination Awarded By Department Of Energy

    2019-04-04:
    Flibe Energy Awarded $500,000 To Assess LFTR Safeguards with Oak Ridge National Laboratory




    Congratulations to Kirk Sorensen... He is finally on his way... and is creating the best most practical hope for the future of truly safe, clean, affordable, sustainable and unlimited energy... amazing! '; D
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