Bleeding gums, possible causes and treatment?

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello folks,

I have bleeding gums and I would like know to what may cause this and how to cure it?

Searching Avalon I have found that oil pulling should help. I have tried that for one week but I did not see any difference...

So any help would be appreciated.

[PurpleLama]

http://heritagestore.com/categories/oral-care.html

Using IPSAB tooth powder and Ipsadent mouthwash from the above link completely cured my gum disease. Now, I love apples!

[Midnight]

Do you frequently floss? I floss after every meal, and my gums are very healthy.

[Ultima Thule]

C-vitamin 2-3grams a day, zinc 30-45mg to encourage collagen synthesis, proanthocyanine to strenghten capillaries.

UT
ps. this from the point of view of possible deficiencies

[Marianne]

You could try Myrhh essential oil. It's widely used in dental products.
Here's a website with some how-to on making mouthwash with essential oils.
http://www.oilsandplants.com/mouthwash.htm

[sigma6]

regular flossing... and rinsing after brushing

[blufire]

Hi Ilie,

You more than likely have gingivitis. It is from infected and irritated gum tissue.

Brush with food grade hydrogen peroxide and baking soda every other day, preferably before you go to bed. Put some peroxide in a small cup and dip your toothbrush in and put baking soda in the palm of your hand and dab the wet toothbrush in the soda.

Brush lightly and concentrate along your gums for several minutes. This will be difficult at first because your gums are so tender. Flossing always helps and I would suggest you have your teeth professionally cleaned.

I do this several times a week . . . in fact I only use baking soda when I brush in the morning and at bedtime and only add the peroxide 2 or 3 times a week.

By the way . . if you only have hydrogen peroxide that you use to disinfect wounds, you can use this too . . . just dilute it with water 50/50.

Good luck

[Sidney]

MMS is suppose to be wonderful for mouth and gum issues. We know its not from gallstones, LOL since youve taken care of that!!

[Nick Matkin]

My dentist says bleeding gums are usually due to a build-up of plaque. This inflames the gums where they touch the plaque-coated teeth and then the gums bleed easily.

Proper, thorough brushing and the CORRECT use of floss removes the plaque.

Unless you have some other cause, I doubt you need resort to alternative medicines, but hey, I'm not medically qualified.

Can you get to a dentist for the correct advice and diagnosis?

Nick

[Ilie Pandia]

My dentist told me not to floss unless absolutely necessary, as flossing will hurt the gums.

She advised me to brush heavily around the gums even if they will bleed. This information seems contradictory, but I've long lost any faith in most doctors

I'll start looking into and trying out some of the solutions proposed so far.

@starchild111, yes I had hoped that getting rid of the toxins in the liver will improve the dental health as well, but it seems that is not the case

[Arrowwind]

Bleeding gums is caused by an infection and degrading of the tissues of the gums, with weakening vascularity to the tissues.. these microbes may or may not be able to be diagnosed by your dentist.

To cure this rapidly use MMS mouthwash. 3 drops activated into about 2 ounces of water. Rinse and spit twice a day till all symptoms are gone and then for 4 days after all symptoms are gone, then once a week for maintanence.

You can also supplement with 100mg of CoQ10 in made in an oil base. Open the capule and apply directly to gums then swallow. Do this two times a day. Also take 2 grams of vitamin c twice a day whole in capusle or tablet while doing these rinses to help regenerate the tissues.

You really want to get on top of this as oral health reflects overall health. You may want to do MMS protocol 1000 before all is said and done. Dont do vitamin c when you take mms internally.

I would hold on the flossing until your gums are stronger as it can damage weak gums and cut them. Purchase a very soft tooth brush and when you rinse your mouth with the mms use the soft brush to massage the gums and facilitate absorption of the mms into the gums. Keep your brush very clean with dipping it into mms.

Dont you have some mms Illie?

[leavesoftrees]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
My dentist told me not to floss unless absolutely necessary, as flossing will hurt the gums.

This is not correct - you need to floss twice a day. You can also buy thin brushes designed to work between the teeth. These are good in combination
with flossing. Every so often using a tooth pick is good, using it to clean along the gum line, front and back for every tooth.

[Limor Wolf]

Hi Ilie, Ultima Thule said 'deficiencies' and from my experience that can be it, you had changes in your diet this last year, so you might want to have a blood test to see how you are doing with your iron levels, your B12 etc and supplement yourself in accordance, see if there are any changes.

MMS is wonderful for the health of the teeth and gums, I had quite a good results when I took MMS for a different purpose but the difference was very well felt.

[Daughter of Time]

My dental hygiene has always been impeccable and yet I had bleeding gums around 15 years ago.

What cured it was high doses of vitamin C - at least 1,000 mg. 3 x per day.

To help speed up the healing process I took one drop of tea tree oil and kept it in my mouth as long as possible, like up to 10 minutes and then spit it out, 3 times per day.

The bleeding stopped within a month and has never come back.

I don't use tea tree oil as a mouth rinse any more but I still take relatively high doses of vitamin C daily.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I do have MMS but was not clear for me how to use it for oral health. I'll give that a try as well.

Yes, I did change my diet but I have had tooth problems ever since I was a child, so if there are deficiencies are not from this diet change, but from previous eating habits.

As ridiculous it is to admit this, I may not know how to properly brush my teeth

What is puzzling to me is that I have friends that never brush their teeth and yet they seem to have no problems.

[Hip Hipnotist]

Dentists and doctors -- who needs 'em.

Thumbs up for the peroxide and MMS.

For years I've been utilizing an irrigator/Waterpik -- at least twice per day. Peroxide ( regular market/drugstore variety ) and water ( about 50/50 mixture ) and your mouth never felt so good. Talk about fizzing. You never knew you had so many nasty critters roaming your mouth, and that's when you're in good health.

Of course my mouth may feel great -- but I lost all my teeth! That's why I'm not smiling in that photo up there in the left corner. ;-(

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Ah, lighten up. I'm just joshin'. ;-)

DISCLAIMER: "Dentists and doctors -- who needs 'em."

You may very well need 'em. Especially the dentist. But when one says floss, another says don't floss; one says fluoride is beneficial, one says it's deadly; one says root canals are safe, one says the only safe canals are in Italy; you say tomatoe, I say tomotoe...

I just get out the kite string, tie one end around the problem tooth the other around the door knob ( just like in your favorite cartoons ) and SLAMO!! Problem solved. And what it cost ya?

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Yep, once again -- too much time on my hands. ;-))

[Selene]

Illie, if none of these suggestions seems to help and the problem seems to be more deeply seated, I highly recommend you get one of those inexpensive “UV blue light” devices that come with tooth whitener kits, and use it daily (just the blue light) for ten minutes for a few weeks, followed by once a week for a few months. These are incredibly cheap, noninvasive and beyond state-of-the-art effective.

Let me tell you my experience.




UV blue light is an utterly safe and highly effective germicidal and antimicrobial agent that penetrates beneath the skin to where the bacteria actually resides. It will destroy even drug-resistant bacteria and is now used for infection control in hospitals worldwide. http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com...dal-light.aspx Scrubs, rinses and even gum surgery cannot do this as effectively. Some companies sell blue light devices for sterilizing large areas of equipment, kitchens, etc.

I’ve always had excellent dental care, regular teeth cleaning, etc. But one day my hygienist said “Hmmmm… Your gums are deteriorating, bleeding… don’t know why… but I’m sending you to a periodontist (specialist)” The periodontist examined my gums, found that some teeth were loosening due to deep pockets in the gums, and that I had experienced up to 90% bone loss in some places. This was serious indeed – however, no one could find any flaws in my hygiene or diet or anything. It just “happens”, apparently – could even be inherited because my mother had heavy tooth loss when she was young. I was put onto a strict program of regular periodontial cleanings, deep scraping, even flap surgery (twice!) over a period of several years – to no avail.

Finally, the dental surgeon had “the conversation” with me, explaining that there was nothing further he could do and I would almost certainly lose all my teeth sooner rather than later. We discussed dentures, implants etc. I was sickened at the thought, but he wanted to prepare me for the inevitable. I asked: Could I wait until they start to fall out? He said, sure. But let me take impressions now so that we can rebuild them as closely to the originals as possible.

So I thought, what the heck. I’ll enjoy my natural teeth while I still have them – and I bought one of those cheap tooth whitening kits off Ebay. It had a blue light, which supposedly accelerated the whitening. Whatever.

After using the kit weekly for three months, I went back to the surgeon’s hygienist for my regular checkup. She said: “Hmmm. Your gums look much better… no further deterioration…” I said: I’ve been using this blue light… it sterilizes… kills resistant bacteria. She was impressed, called the surgeon in to see. He shrugged. Didn’t listen to a word I said. Said “just a fluke…. you’re still going to lose your teeth…”

I came back again after six months. The hygienist was wowed. My gums were firmer, pinker, healthier. The depth of the pocketing was diminishing. The teeth were seated more firmly in the gums. She called the surgeon in again.

This time, he took one look and said: “What did you say you were doing, again?” Blue light… UV… antimicrobial…. I repeated. “Hmmm… I’ll have to look into this….” He urged me to continue using the device. (I was no longer using the peroxide gel.)

So when I went to my regular dentist for my semi-annual, I told him about the blue light. He said, oh yeah, I’ve just been reading something about the germicidal properties of UV blue light. I had to return the following week. He then told me that since my previous visit he’d run into the dean of the school of dentistry at the local university, and they had discussed UV blue light. The dean was quite knowledgeable and said there was a lot of interesting results coming there.

Then my dentist told me he’d now gotten one of those cheap blue lights to use for his own teeth!

Five years later, I still have all my own teeth, no longer have to see the periodontist – and use my blue light every two weeks, just to be sure.

PS. Be sure you get a BLUE light, not just an ordinary white LED. Read the description carefully before ordering on Ebay.

Cheers,

Selene

[sheme]

http://www.epic4health.com/gumdisease.html

Peace for teeth and gums friend.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by hip hipnotist (here)
i just get out the kite string, tie one end around the problem tooth the other around the door knob ( just like in your favorite cartoons ) and slamo!! Problem solved. And what it cost ya?
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my mother did that to me... But they made me slam the door when i was ready!

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
What is puzzling to me is that I have friends that never brush their teeth and yet they seem to have no problems.

Exactly. Dental health is not directly correlated to oral hygene. It is much more related to nutrition. When nutrition and mineral content and vitamins are in short supply, then the oral health will degrade allowing for the over growth of microorganisms.

Just look at the dental health of the tribe in Africa that has spectular teeth.. what was their name. the Maasai or something similar. They have few dental problems and have spectacular teeth. It is theorized that it is due to their drinking animal blood daily. Think of the raw food components found in that stuff. They actually milk the animals at the jugular vein daily. heres a video on it but I couldnt find anything relating to their superior dental health that I had read long ago.
http://www.adventureclassroom.org/cultures/maasai.htm

About two weeks ago someone came to me with what she thought was a root canal infection saying she was on her way to the dentist as she had had them before. I convinced her to delay her appointment and try the mms mouthwash. She had noticable swelling and redness to her jaw and significant pain. I told her to take Ibupfrofen 600mg 3x day for the inflammation (i prefer serrapeptase but none was available) and to do the oral mouthwash, telling her it might take up to two weeks. After 4 days she was on to the phase of using for 4 more days after all symptoms are gone. Now she is onto once a week for maintence. This is how it goes with mms... although I have advised on cases that did take 2 weeks . Theirs might have been much more severe I guess.

Hydrogen peroxide can do it too but its is my opinion that some microbes will either build a resistence to H2O2 or that the H202 cant penetrate sufficiently to get them all..probably the later not the former as it is oxidative, but especially from the products purchased from the drug store are poor quality. It is better to get pure pharmaceutical grade H2O2 and make your own 6% solution and dilute that 50% or 75% for oral care. Never take it full strength as it will severely burn. This product requires special handling.

Also with hydrogen peroxide, I have seen it degrade healing tissues, tissues called granulation tissue.. so this is why I stay away from it and also it is why many wound care specialists have moved away from it. Im sure it wont be a big issue on wounds that are on generally healthy tissue but if the tissue is comprimised in other ways say due to circulation or other disease you really want to say away from it and move to other oxidation therapies such as mms or ozone. H2O2 can also get old and hence not work as well. I wouldnt use it on grandma or grandpa. MMS is the superior wound care treatment but make sure you have the proper dilution and rinse it off after 3 minutes of exposure. Some people's skin is sensitive to it... me included., but many are not.

After all is well Illie, start using a xylitol based toothpaste, resume flossing and get yourself a set of dental picks for your own tooth cleaning. Unless you have serious issues you dont need a dentist nor the bill, for this procedure. Do it yourself.