Bleeding gums, possible causes and treatment?

[MargueriteBee]

I had this problem a few months ago. Hydrgen Peroxide cleaned it right up. My gums don't hurt and my tongue is pink. I use it everyday as a mouthwash.

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Hello folks,

I have bleeding gums and I would like know to what may cause this and how to cure it?

Searching Avalon I have found that oil pulling should help. I have tried that for one week but I did not see any difference...

So any help would be appreciated.

[sheme]

Just one thing I forgot to mention that is of importance --Nicotine/smoking causes healthy blood supply to gums to fail.

Thank you so much for the feed back Ilie -it is really great to know you improve. love to you friend.

[Lone Bean]

Posted by kintun (here)
Have you tried colloidal silver?
It is a powerful antibiotic. Not so common nowadays because the pharmaceutical industry left it aside when they developed other antibiotics.
Just pour 1 tbsp in a glass of water and wash your mouth with it several times a day. You can drink it also, if you think your disease is in another place too. It works great in soar measles, or cuts.

I was going to mention colloidal silver. I read on another forum about some seriously good dental (gum) results when people rinsed this around their teeth. I make my own colloidal silver. It's so easy to do and so much better (and A LOT CHEAPER!) than what you can buy already made. The only dental problem I have is where my gums have slightly receded above the enamel line of a few of my teeth. It really makes me jump when the toothbrush hits those spots. I've been using the "sensitive teeth" toothpaste and it really works but when I go to the dentist and the hygienist starts scraping around I almost literally jump out of the chair. I've only recently started rinsing my teeth with colloidal silver in the hope that it will stimulate my gums to grow back over those areas where the dentin is exposed. Otherwise, I may have to stop going to the dentist if they don't stop scraping in those areas despite me telling them they are very sensitive.

I forgot to ask: What is MMS? ~thanks!~

[taotetim]

some great info here, a water pik helps alot i found floss can damage gums more when there fragile and bleeding, someone mentioned hydrogen peroxide and q10 enzyme, the have work for me too. namaste tim

[Unicorn]

Posted by Selene (here)
Illie, if none of these suggestions seems to help and the problem seems to be more deeply seated, I highly recommend you get one of those inexpensive “UV blue light” devices that come with tooth whitener kits, and use it daily (just the blue light) for ten minutes for a few weeks, followed by once a week for a few months. These are incredibly cheap, noninvasive and beyond state-of-the-art effective. PS. Be sure you get a BLUE light, not just an ordinary white LED. Read the description carefully before ordering on Ebay.

Selene, I followed your advice and bought one of those cheap UV blue light devices. It has made such a difference! I have to say the results are incredibly good, in just a few weeks. And its so convenient and easy to use. Many thanks for your advice. I confirm it works wonders, and I recommend it to anyone.

Thanks again!

[HaulinBananas]

Posted by Selene (here)
Illie, if none of these suggestions seems to help and the problem seems to be more deeply seated, I highly recommend you get one of those inexpensive “UV blue light” devices that come with tooth whitener kits, and use it daily (just the blue light) for ten minutes for a few weeks, followed by once a week for a few months. These are incredibly cheap, noninvasive and beyond state-of-the-art effective.

Let me tell you my experience.




UV blue light is an utterly safe and highly effective germicidal and antimicrobial agent that penetrates beneath the skin to where the bacteria actually resides. It will destroy even drug-resistant bacteria and is now used for infection control in hospitals worldwide. http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com...dal-light.aspx Scrubs, rinses and even gum surgery cannot do this as effectively. Some companies sell blue light devices for sterilizing large areas of equipment, kitchens, etc.

I’ve always had excellent dental care, regular teeth cleaning, etc. But one day my hygienist said “Hmmmm… Your gums are deteriorating, bleeding… don’t know why… but I’m sending you to a periodontist (specialist)” The periodontist examined my gums, found that some teeth were loosening due to deep pockets in the gums, and that I had experienced up to 90% bone loss in some places. This was serious indeed – however, no one could find any flaws in my hygiene or diet or anything. It just “happens”, apparently – could even be inherited because my mother had heavy tooth loss when she was young. I was put onto a strict program of regular periodontial cleanings, deep scraping, even flap surgery (twice!) over a period of several years – to no avail.

Finally, the dental surgeon had “the conversation” with me, explaining that there was nothing further he could do and I would almost certainly lose all my teeth sooner rather than later. We discussed dentures, implants etc. I was sickened at the thought, but he wanted to prepare me for the inevitable. I asked: Could I wait until they start to fall out? He said, sure. But let me take impressions now so that we can rebuild them as closely to the originals as possible.

So I thought, what the heck. I’ll enjoy my natural teeth while I still have them – and I bought one of those cheap tooth whitening kits off Ebay. It had a blue light, which supposedly accelerated the whitening. Whatever.

After using the kit weekly for three months, I went back to the surgeon’s hygienist for my regular checkup. She said: “Hmmm. Your gums look much better… no further deterioration…” I said: I’ve been using this blue light… it sterilizes… kills resistant bacteria. She was impressed, called the surgeon in to see. He shrugged. Didn’t listen to a word I said. Said “just a fluke…. you’re still going to lose your teeth…”

I came back again after six months. The hygienist was wowed. My gums were firmer, pinker, healthier. The depth of the pocketing was diminishing. The teeth were seated more firmly in the gums. She called the surgeon in again.

This time, he took one look and said: “What did you say you were doing, again?” Blue light… UV… antimicrobial…. I repeated. “Hmmm… I’ll have to look into this….” He urged me to continue using the device. (I was no longer using the peroxide gel.)

So when I went to my regular dentist for my semi-annual, I told him about the blue light. He said, oh yeah, I’ve just been reading something about the germicidal properties of UV blue light. I had to return the following week. He then told me that since my previous visit he’d run into the dean of the school of dentistry at the local university, and they had discussed UV blue light. The dean was quite knowledgeable and said there was a lot of interesting results coming there.

Then my dentist told me he’d now gotten one of those cheap blue lights to use for his own teeth!

Five years later, I still have all my own teeth, no longer have to see the periodontist – and use my blue light every two weeks, just to be sure.

PS. Be sure you get a BLUE light, not just an ordinary white LED. Read the description carefully before ordering on Ebay.

Cheers,

Selene

This thread came to mind when I saw this short youtube video about how photons affect the body - in this video - improve healing:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=huX6G48f3kM

This thread has been a very helpful resource and I hope this will add to it.

[Unicorn]

Following this thread https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ine#post777898 I started to have a natural source of iodine (kelp and fucus algae). Now I've noticed that just a couple of weeks after taking this supplement, my gums didn't bleed any more. I've also noticed other benefits since. It seems that there's a generalised iodine deficiency everywhere. There are many symptoms associated with this deficiency. Among others, sore gums.

[enfoldedblue]

I had a quick scan of all the responses here, and there is some great advice. I was however, very surprised that there was nothing on oil pulling (though I could have missed it)! I started oil pulling about 5 mos ago. At first I found it a bit difficult to do, but after a few goes it became easy and just part of my morning. Now I wouldn't go without it.

What is Oil Pulling?

Oil pulling is an age-old remedy that uses natural substances to clean and detoxify teeth and gums. It has the added effect of whitening teeth naturally and evidence even shows that it is beneficial in improving gums and removing harmful bacteria!

The basic idea is that oil is swished in the mouth for a short time each day and that this action helps improve oral health. Just as with Oil Cleansing for the skin, the principle of “like dissolves like” applies, as oil is able to cut through plaque and remove toxins without disturbing the teeth or gums.

The practice of oil pulling started in India thousands of years ago, and from my research, was first introduced to the United States in the early 1990s by a medical doctor named Dr. F. Karach, who used it with success in his medical practice.

I found hundreds of testimonials online from people who experienced benefits from oil pulling, including help with skin conditions, arthritis, asthma, headaches, hormone imbalances, infections, liver problems and more.

http://wellnessmama.com/7866/oil-pul...r-oral-health/

Within a week of starting I noticed my gums looked and felt amazing. At first Tom wasn't attracted to the practice, but once he saw how it changed my gums and whitened my teeth he was totally sold. After he had been doing it for about a month he went to see his dentist. His dentist was so impressed with the results he said he was going to tell his colleague who was a periodontist (sp) so that he could recommend the practice to his patients.

From what I have read the health benefits of the practice go beyond oral health. From what I understand overnight our mouth fills with toxins that our body is trying to eliminate. Most of us in the morning drink something and swallow all these harmful bacteria back into our system. Oil pulling works similarly to oil in a car the oil picks up all the toxins and debris and then (after 20 min) we spit it out and effectively rid of a big toxic load.

I use sole (a salt water mixture where the water has reached maximum salt saturation---point where salt no longer dissolves) to rinse my mouth after.

I use coconut oil, but the traditional oil is sesame (haven't tried)

Here are a few more links:

http://www.examiner.com/article/oil-pulling-science

http://www.naturalnews.com/040293_oi..._remedies.html

[pumashared]

hate to join so late and i see alot of good responses. my dad is a trained dentist although he no longer trusts the medical system he does still have some great insights.

here is what i highly recommend and is very cheap and quick. after brushing your teeth hold warm water in your mouth and start rubbing your gums with one finger(like if u were brushing your teeth with a finger). do this for 3 minutes. I guarantee you, that you will see some great improvements.

[STR]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Hello folks,

I have bleeding gums and I would like know to what may cause this and how to cure it?

Searching Avalon I have found that oil pulling should help. I have tried that for one week but I did not see any difference...

So any help would be appreciated.

When your gums bleed it is because you are not properly cleaning your mouth after eating. The blood is irrigating the areas out telling you something is not right. Brush and floss at least once per day. They will continue to bleed for a time at first. Once you get them clean where the body can heal this will stop. Ignore it over long term it can lead to longer term issues requiring a perio specialist. You don't want that. Floss is much cheaper. Rinse a lot. Use non sugar drinks.

[DarMar]

This is kinda weird?

Was reading through thread and actually no one offered applicable solution that is NOT synthetic.
So much about manifesting consciousness and our dependance and curved look at our roots.
Our roots are from nature, not light machines or peroxide chems.

I have solution for all those who are willing to try walk natural path. you can even document those, it will be fun.

soulution is simple and maybe in you garden and is called WHITE OAK.
yup, a tree...

Lemme start from somewhere more concrete.. I was abuser of coca cola, poor diet, tobacco, coffee and stuff that rottens teeth and gums.
had gone to dentist and asking for help, but answer was: you need to pull this one, this one and this one out... almous all of them.
Horrible truth was that i didn't have single healthy tooth inside me. And that is because i never used toothpaste (i love my brain), but my teeth suffered a lot.
Whenever i would ask dents, is there actually a paste without flour i'd got insta smash with his eyes and no valid answer...

i was looking for alternate to pulling out parts of my body so started wondering around. Somehow one night i got not strong tooth pain and bleeding gums that tears flowed by themselves, not by me or, simply from pure unstandable pain. Not interesting experience as i was stabling through house to find salt or something that would cure it.. but nothing helped and it got only worse.
In that moment i went out of house, to be honest this was too intuitive action from me and i wasn't really active in thinking, just doing.. Since i live in forest i went into some deeper and stopped in from of white oak tree.
I stood and looked at it and it's leaf looked like teeth to me, its acorn visualised as a hard teeth.
than i asked gently tree if it could help me and cure me. I took few young branches and few of old one from bark itself (black ones). went home put them in teapot and cooked, not till point of total bowling but just few moment before
boil point. Water was dark-yellowis, similar to piss. So i took that into mouth (ofc i cooled it first) and started to wish wish around mouth. Now this is fun, effect was instant!
Than i took cooked part of bark and started chewing on it, it was wiry nice and soft, but it eased pain and sweat. Than i have bitten hard that bark enters every pore of tees and where i had caries n stuff.

In one hour my gum was back on place, without seating, without pain and without blood.
I stood amazed, and my next move was to go google about power of bark tree.. and what stories i could find. I was amazed even more!
There are thousands of guides, ways, testimonies to make it even better than just my plain simple cooking way.

You can peel bark off, dry it to point when you can crumble it into powder and you do just that. Make powder from it with which you can brush on teeth and that is a story how i came to start brushing my teeth again

But best way to brush teeth is chewing white oak branch, and you do it until ends of bark loosens and they start to look like brush. Please do try clean teeth and plagued places with that soften branch.
You will se that in 2-3 week carries and plague is GONE!

i don't need dentist and he hates me now.
One other interesting thing started to happen, i have feeling that my cavities in teeth are filling themselves somehow and i can feel repairing going on.

You can try google more about this theme, i can't suggest any specific link but you will find tons of nice info, and if not.. all I told is valid, and actually all info you will ned to help with teeth problem.
One thing i would suggest tho. try not to make it complicated, i saw for example people mixing white oak with soda bicarbona and some essential oils to get "perfect paste"..

Me, I'm just still cooking branches, drinking that tea from it and i do powder because you will soon find out how powerful nature is and keeping it as simple is possible. Because we do not need to fight to breathe, it is far more simpler...
Friend had hemeroid problem so i gave him this powder too.. he couldn't believe it.


Can't wait to hear experiences!

p.s- thanks Flash for post on chewing branches, that is it!

[Unicorn]

DarMar,

Your experience is just amazing! BTW, where I live I can't find white oak easily. Do you know of any reliable web where I can buy it? Thanks in advance.

[Swan]

Hello Unicorn,

Dr Christophers " Tooth and Gum Powder" contains white oak.

[Loren]

Last year my dentist said my gums were in rough shape, I used wooden tooth picks. He gave me some soft gum plastic ones and now they are in great shape.Comes with a nice little travel case as well. I also run my tooth brush under hot water to soften the bristles. L

[GreenGuy]

I have brushed my teeth with tea tree oil and baking soda for more than 20 years. My dad tried to get me to use it way back in the 60s but I hated the taste. I also had gum disease, the dentist wanted to do surgery on them - in your dreams, doc! Now I use a mix of tea tree and myrrh oil in my homemade toothpaste, and it works great.

[Bob]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Hello folks,

I have bleeding gums and I would like know to what may cause this and how to cure it?

Searching Avalon I have found that oil pulling should help. I have tried that for one week but I did not see any difference...

So any help would be appreciated.

Hi Ilie -

Hip Hipnotist posts exactly what is the correct preventative maintenance treatment. The water pick irrigator is the ultimate in gently getting the bacteria and food particles out from the gums and between the teeth.

The immune system tries to go after the bacteria, and the only way is to bleed to deal with the bacterial enzymes which eat away the teeth, and try to create an infection.

To treat the infection, as yucky as it sounds, Chlorhexidine Gluconate solution, called PERIDEX is the recommended medical treatment. What that will do is create an environment where the bacteria suck up the antiseptic (which that stuff is). It is a sugar which the bacteria prefer over the sugar they are getting from your blood and the food particles. The bacteria though don't survive, and expire.

The gums where they have been damaged, and no doubt receding, are stimulated by this stuff to re-grow healthy. Deep pockets in the gums will heal most likely in 2-6 months. This particular antiseptic will also work on skin wounds anywhere, not just the mouth. The ability to cause the tissue to heal and close holes and gaps, is important. I have not seen that happen with ANY natural oils (which while killing the bacteria, they cause skin damage to the basal cells). This stuff has performed miracles.

The waterpick is better than flossing because of the mechanical issue of more damage, and pushing the bacteria into the bloodstream. Normally when the gums are not bleeding flossing is a good way to get the plaque away from the tooth surface, but it does PUSH the plaque into the gum deeper. Waterpicking causes the embedded gum plaque (whence mechanically loosened to be flushed). When it is flushed away, a syringe with a tip applicator to put a few drops in the affected areas lets the substance get to where it has to do its clearing of the bacteria.

Diet as mentioned, the addition of vitamin C is important.

BUT particular bacteria can be a situation where the bacteria are a different strain than the normal mouth bacteria.. This I suspect is the chronic issue. There are ways to switch mouth bacteria to healthier strains, and they will the go after the nasty stuff.

One last thing, and folks on the forum suffering from migrains, nasty headaches, jaw aches, and optical hallucinations (part of the migrains)...

The two top teeth and the two bottom teeth, the canines, when the nerves there get inflamed, they WILL cause migrains. That inflammation causes the nerves to expand, get irritated, and a histamine reaction happens. Fix those teeth, get the hidden bacteria food particles out and you will see a massive improvement in lack of headaches and migrains, and jaw pain.

Between the canines and the first premolar the nerve is accessed - both sides of that canine, it must be clean, no bleeding, no nerve inflammation..

Ilie, with the chlorhexidine gluconate inside of 4 hours you will note a healthy difference.

The size of the molecule is large enough that it will NOT pass in to normal healthy cells, but bacteria eat it up.. It will restimulate tissue healing rapidly..

Bob

PS - I know folks insist on natural stuff, but in critical situations, there are ways to get assistance fast, heal and then switch to natural methods.. As Ilie pointed out some of the natural methods didn't do the job. My point precisely. Find the right tool, use it. Find the reason what went wrong, solve it. (Identify step), then maintain the working solution. - best..

[Inaiá]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Hello folks,

I have bleeding gums and I would like know to what may cause this and how to cure it?

Searching Avalon I have found that oil pulling should help. I have tried that for one week but I did not see any difference...

So any help would be appreciated.

It would be nice to see how are your nutrients levels. My sister had bleeding gums due to an unsuspect and serious lack of vitamin D.
Propolis: In my family we use propolis to cure cold sore, acne, tonsillites, chilblein... It is an excelent anti-bacterial and antifungal substance. Although we buy at the farmacy the version that comes with a little bit of alcohool in it, its natural curative properties are scientifically recognized. Some Info in brazilian portuguese about that.

Will look at the Chlorhexidine Gluconate solution, Bobd. Seams efective with the bonus of rehabilitating the tissues...

Posted by Bobd (here)
PS - I know folks insist on natural stuff, but in critical situations, there are ways to get assistance fast, heal and then switch to natural methods.. As Ilie pointed out some of the natural methods didn't do the job. My point precisely. Find the right tool, use it. Find the reason what went wrong, solve it. (Identify step), then maintain the working solution. - best..

I agree. Technology is not something evil. Materialism is not in things. "Everthing is a tool, what matters is the way we use it"... and our posture before the universe, others and ourselves. Technology doesn't automacally disrupt one's spirituality and can be well aplied in our human lives. Sure we are in baby steps in our sciences and we have a lot to learn and to improve on it. Sure also, our society needs to recognize and cultivate its natural cradle (we all know that and are in our way, as fast as we can). But this, by no way, should mean to abandon the good that can come from the rightly applied technology. Let's unite ourselves, helping each other in absolutly every way we can. Peace.

[DarMar]

Bobd very thanks for descriptive post.

since my first left upper cannine got scratched, real pains actually started. Actually i broke tip of it, those upper ones was anyways too long
Anyways i didn't quite did any medical research as I live from young days an intuitive way, the less explained definitions and principles makes me conclude better.

So did for the oak principle..
I had real sweaten bleeding gums, when i gargled tea from branches, sweat was retracted in matter of hours.
Than i took branch and started scratching in between gums and teeth,
one would expect pain from that area but nor even pain and single drop of blood was on that branch.
I did the same with ordinary toothpick and i had one special made by myself a plastic one.. but i was just scratching the teeth and that is irritating to them.

What actually happens when you brush white oak?
You get purest most natural form of vitamines and chems you need for teeth to recover! so it is not just scratching.

a short description quote:

Medicinal Properties
The active ingredients in oak bark are tannin and quercin. Quercin is similar in effect to salicin and is used along with bioflavinoids to strengthen the capillaries and veins. White oak bark also contains ample amounts of calcium, manganese, potassium and magnesium. Its primary therapeutic properties are astringent and antiseptic. A few of oak’s other properties—haemostatic (arrests internal bleeding), febrifuge (reduces fever), diuretic, anti-emetic (relieves malarial-type fevers and chills), and anti-venomous (antidote for poisonous plants, insects and snake bites.)

As i said i was not curing healthy state i had to prolly pull every single teeth in my mouth. State was critical, and you know wen you came to dentist with critical teeth?
he won't even give you a shot if tooth is infected, right?

Well i eased pain, cleaned it and it worked, simple as that. Now all teeths since that day are much harder and they are completely white... while i'm still into coffee and tobacco.
Funny thing yesterday i ended to see my old friend which has very critical state in his mouth, similar as mine was. I suggested it to him and he will start with it so i will get to see results from other hand soon too.

One more good thing is that i started to drink tea from branches. I just cook them in water and no additives in there, and i must admit it tastes great.
I don't drink it every day i think it would not be too good, but has some effect of cleaning internal of body.

The key thing is things that makes white oak so great such as potassium, magnesium and calcium and all of that.


I found one interesting from which i quoted above also:
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20060703.htm

Your experience is just amazing! BTW, where I live I can't find white oak easily. Do you know of any reliable web where I can buy it? Thanks in advance.

Unicorn, from some readings over web i read that branch of a walnut could be very similar.
Found this link with few branches with antimicrobal properties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teeth_cleaning_twig

[gripreaper]

I've just read all the threads here on gums and teeth, and I'd like it if more people would share their experiences.

I've got receding gums and a mouth full of amalgam, and find it difficult to maintain a good oral hygiene protocol. I'm interested in oil pulling as well as the UV device, as they seem simple enough. For me, simple is best. I've brushed my teeth with an electric toothbrush using MMS, and used a water pic too, but still my receding gums do not grow back and I have these inner crevices exposed where it is really difficult to keep clean. I get discouraged.

I'm heading out to get some sesame oil (oil pulling) and a UV teeth kit. I gotta do something.

[Elainie]

http://www.orawellness.com/

I love the above system, it's what I use. I used to oil pull but no longer have the time.