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    Default Pope Benedict Leaves Papacy, 28th February 2013

    Breaking News on Italian TV!

    Will update as it hits the MSM!
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    Default BREAKING: Pope Benedict to resign

    *pope benedict to resign feb. 28, vatican spokesman said

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    Default Re: BREAKING: Pope Benedict to resign

    Quote Posted by MorningSong (here)
    Breaking News on Italian TV!

    Will update as it hits the MSM!
    Quote Posted by mgray (here)
    *pope benedict to resign feb. 28, vatican spokesman said
    I merged these two threads ... MorningSong won by two minutes .

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    Default Re: Pope Leaves Papacy 28th February!

    The Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, describes each of the Roman Catholic popes, beginning with Pope Celestine II (elected in 1143) and concluding with the successor of current pope Benedict XVI. The new pope is described in the prophecy as "Peter the Roman", whose pontificate will end in the destruction of the city of Rome.

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    Default Re: Pope Benedict Leaves Papacy, 28th February 2013

    Well, well... now if the Queen Elizabeth made an announcement as well ...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...to-resign.html

    11 Feb

    Pope Benedict XVI to resign

    Pope Benedict XVI is to resign on February 28th, a Vatican spokesman has announced.


    "The pope announced that he will leave his ministry at 8:00 pm (1900 GMT) on February 28," said the spokesman, Federico Lombardi.

    Last year the Pope started using a cane on occasions and recently he appeared to have trouble reading the text of an address he delivered in Rome.

    There was no immediate official comment from the Vatican.

    In November last year, he declared that it is "beautiful to be old".

    "The quality of a society, I'd say of a civilisation, is judged by how well it treats its elderly," the 85-year-old pontiff said during the visit to the home run by the Saint Egidio Community, a Catholic charity.

    While it was "beautiful to be old", age brought challenges and difficulties with which he himself was familiar.
    "I know well the difficulties, the problems and the limits of this age, and I know that these difficulties are aggravated for many people by the economic crisis," the Pope said.

    More to follow.
    Oh my ears and whiskers, how late it's getting!

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    Default Re: Pope Benedict Leaves Papacy, 28th February 2013

    Well that sure will help Tom Horn's book, "Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope Is Here." Website: http://www.forbiddengate.com/ I WILL have to read the book now.

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    Default Re: Pope Benedict Leaves Papacy, 28th February 2013

    Here we go:

    Quote Pope to step down 28 February per Italian news and BBC

    Last edited Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:04 AM USA/ET - Edit history (2)
    Source: BBC

    No link yet; multiple Italian sources reporting Benedict has announced his pending abdication.

    Link (in Italian): http://www.corriere.it/cronache/13_f...d2830f7b.shtml

    Text says: The Pope leaves the papacy from February 28. The announcement was made personally, in Latin, during the consistory for the canonization of the martyrs of Otranto.

    Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21411304
    http://sync.democraticunderground.com/1014395794

    Quote 11 February 2013 Last updated at 11:11 GMT

    Pope Benedict in shock resignation

    The Pope is to resign at the end of this month in an entirely unexpected development, the Vatican has confirmed.

    The 85-year-old became Pope Benedict XVI in April 2005 following the death of John Paul II.

    The reasons behind the head of the Catholic Church's surprise resignation have yet to emerge.

    Resignations from the papacy are not unknown, but this is the first in the modern era, which has been marked by pontiffs dying while in office.

    At 78, the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was one of the oldest new popes in history when elected.

    He took the helm as one of the fiercest storms the Catholic Church has faced in decades - the scandal of child sex abuse by priests - was breaking.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21411304
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    Default Re: Pope Benedict Leaves Papacy, 28th February 2013

    he said he felt the weight of being pope,it he leaves papacy for the good of the church,he will leave the 28th of february ,no more info for now

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    Default Re: Pope Benedict Leaves Papacy, 28th February 2013

    No pope has resigned in modern times

    1294 was the last time a Pope resigned.

    http://inagist.com/all/300923279781269504/

    Edit: Now reading that Pope Gregory XII resigned in 1415 to end the western schism.

    The Western Schism or Papal Schism was a split within the Catholic Church from 1378 to 1417. Two men simultaneously claimed to be the true pope. Driven by politics rather than any theological disagreement, the schism was ended by the Council of Constance (1414–1418). The simultaneous claims to the papal chair of two different men hurt the reputation of the office. I guess it could be said this was not a true resignation


    Whatever it was a long time ago
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    Default Re: Pope Benedict Leaves Papacy, 28th February 2013

    They were speculating about this last year on Fox news.....





    Quote The Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, describes each of the
    Roman Catholic popes, beginning with Pope Celestine II (elected in 1143) and
    concluding with the successor of current pope Benedict XVI. The new pope is
    described in the prophecy as "Peter the Roman", whose pontificate will end in the
    destruction of the city of Rome.


    This is the U/tube comment of above vid...

    Published on 16 Apr 2012
    READ THE FRESH NEWS ARTICLES BELOW ! ! ! URGENT ! ! !

    They sure are showing lots of little snips of this 'Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone' guy
    for some reason, coincidence? I think not.
    LOOK AT 12 and 13 seconds on the Time line, you'll see him walking with the
    current Pope.

    His name is 'Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone' Pietro = Peter
    Born in Romano Canavese, Italy = Roman
    Peter the Roman = Petrus Romanus (The Final Pope)

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    BBC online...


    11 February 2013 Last updated at 11:22


    LIVE: Pope says he will resign Live

    Pope Benedict XVI is to resign at the end of this month in an entirely unexpected
    development, saying he is too old continue at the age of 85.

    He became Pope in 2005 following John Paul II's death.



    Pope Benedict's announcement has surprised Catholics and the wider world

    Resignations from the papacy are not unknown, but this is the first in the modern
    era, which has been marked by pontiffs dying while in office.

    At 78, the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was one of the oldest new popes in
    history when elected.

    He took the helm as one of the fiercest storms the Catholic Church has faced in
    decades - the scandal of child sex abuse by priests - was breaking.

    In a statement, he said: "After having repeatedly examined my conscience before
    God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are
    no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry...

    "In today's world, subject to so many rapid changes and shaken by questions of
    deep relevance for the life of faith, in order to govern the bark of Saint Peter and
    proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which
    in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to
    recognise my incapacity to adequately fulfil the ministry entrusted to me."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21411304

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------





    Published on 11 Feb 2013


    Pope Benedict XVI is to resign on February 28, the Vatican has announced. Pope
    Benedict XVI To Retire Pope Resigns | Breaking News Pope Benedict Resigns
    Vatican Confirms Pope's Resignation on FEB 28

    He will be the first head of the Catholic Church to resign in almost 600 years. The
    Vatican said his departure would leave the post temporarily vacant.Vatican
    spokesman Federico Lombardi said: "The pope announced that he will leave his
    ministry at 8:00pm (7pm UK time) on February 28."

    He will step down after almost eight years in the post, having been elected in April
    2005.Edward Pentin, from the Catholic Herald, told Sky News: "It really is too early
    to say what his greatest achievement has been."




    2nd report.




    ================================================== ==

    To many scandels,,,,,




    Published on 3 Feb 2013


    Reputation of the German Catholic Church have resulted in more and more
    worshippers turning their backs on it. Child abuse, sexual harassment cases
    committed by priests that don't even get to court are seen as the main reason for
    dramatically shrinking congregations. You may find some of the details in Peter
    Oliver's report disturbing.
    Last edited by Cidersomerset; 11th February 2013 at 22:57.

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    Default Re: Pope Benedict Leaves Papacy, 28th February 2013

    Another report at aljazeera

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    Default Re: Pope Benedict Leaves Papacy, 28th February 2013

    The last resignation was in 1294 or 1415 (take your pick what to believe!) because when you agree to be pope it is a life commitment.
    I do recall how Ratzinger was said to have not wanted the job and just wanted to go home to Germany and retire.
    In essence to resign as pope is to dishonour an agreement. If leadership is from the top down what does this say for them? No wonder the prophesy is that the next popes' papacy ends in the destruction of Rome.

    Personally I can't help but feel that a pope should be able to resign without any shame. Parading some old man about that may have dementia and/or a host of problems is just showbiz.

    It'll be interesting for a non religous person like me to watch. I can't help think that he knows he'll be suicided like the last popes if he stays any longer!
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    Default Re: Pope Benedict Leaves Papacy, 28th February 2013

    His last Twitter feed yesterday:

    Pope Benedict's twitter feed has been silent since news broke of his resignation. His last tweet was sent yesterday.


    We must trust in the mighty power of God’s mercy. We are all sinners, but His grace transforms us and makes us new.

    FROM @PONTIFEX ON TWITTER: (11:12 am, Sun 10 Feb 2013)
    Oh my ears and whiskers, how late it's getting!

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    G'day All,

    Sourced from here.

    #######

    The full statement from Pope Benedict XVI:
    Dear Brothers,


    I have convoked you to this Consistory, not only for the three canonizations, but also to communicate to you a decision of great importance for the life of the Church.

    After having repeatedly examined my conscience before God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry.

    I am well aware that this ministry, due to its essential spiritual nature, must be carried out not only with words and deeds, but no less with prayer and suffering.

    However, in today’s world, subject to so many rapid changes and shaken by questions of deep relevance for the life of faith, in order to govern the bark of Saint Peter and proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognize my incapacity to adequately fulfil the ministry entrusted to me.

    For this reason, and well aware of the seriousness of this act, with full freedom I declare that I renounce the ministry of Bishop of Rome, Successor of Saint Peter, entrusted to me by the Cardinals on 19 April 2005, in such a way, that as from 28 February 2013, at 20:00 hours, the See of Rome, the See of Saint Peter, will be vacant and a Conclave to elect the new Supreme Pontiff will have to be convoked by those whose competence it is.

    Dear Brothers, I thank you most sincerely for all the love and work with which you have supported me in my ministry and I ask pardon for all my defects.

    And now, let us entrust the Holy Church to the care of Our Supreme Pastor, Our Lord Jesus Christ, and implore his holy Mother Mary, so that she may assist the Cardinal Fathers with her maternal solicitude, in electing a new Supreme Pontiff. With regard to myself, I wish to also devotedly serve the Holy Church of God in the future through a life dedicated to prayer.

    From the Vatican, 10 February 2013

    BENEDICTUS PP XVI

    #######

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    Quote Posted by HaveBlue (here)
    I can't help think that he knows he'll be suicided like the last popes if he stays any longer!
    I had the same thought: "If he stays any longer he will be killed".

    Somehow I have the feeling the next pope maybe an American (or at least non European) for a change.

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    Default Breaking News - The Pope Announces his Resignation - Where can I apply?

    EDIT! - I looked in General and did not see a Pope thread - so apologies as I was beaten to the punch.

    I did dream that "insectoid type" beings at least 20 feet tall with extremely long tentacles that could stab you in a heart beat were trying to keep me pinned into a corner... As it was just a dream, I simply considered the dilemma and attempted to communicate with them telepathically as to why they were not trying to kill me. It was weird.

    You heard it here "third" from justoneclown.

    I always wanted to hang out in Italy... where do I go for a job interview anyone?

    I would be called - Pope Ropa Dope II (Mohamed Ali was Pope Ropa Dope I)


    EDIT: I just learned I had to be a Cardinal first... damn - Ravens don't count?


    WoW! Just learned he is resigning on my son's birthday... my son who is in jail... my son who is to go before the judge to learn his fate as well on his birthday.

    Will it turn out true that good things happen in threes?

    I am glad the Pope decided to go smell the roses.
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    Default Re: Breaking News - The Pope Announces his Resignation - Where can I apply?

    According to the Prophecy of St. Malachy the next Pope will be the anti-christ! Fun times were living in...

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    Default Re: Breaking News - The Pope Announces his Resignation - Where can I apply?

    Never heard of a Pope "resigning" before... more grand symbolism? If you have more info on St Malachy's prophecy Awake, would be interested to know more


    UPDATE: (added a little time capsule of posts and articles...)
    - wanted to point out Benjamin Fulford (like Nick Guarino predicted the market crash 12 years prior) has another prediction magically come true (he makes no claims of prescience) about something that should never have even been predictable and even crazier to speculate about... i.e. this is not even a 'cyclical' event, but something which has never happened before (or a 'cycle' greater then a century...) but there you have it, as much evidence as you will ever get ... the man has connections...

    Ben Fulford Pope resignation revelation last month was reported yesterday by MSM and Drudge.
    Submitted by just-a-girl on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 10:14
    in Weird Stuff

    "I read this blog on the Daily Paul last month where Ben Fulford predicted that the Pope would resign on April 15th.

    I can not believe what I read yesterday, April 15th on Drudge.
    Pope marks milestones amid signs of frailty, succession talk...
    Wow! The Pope is appointed for life. It was 700 years since the last Pope resigned!
    I don't follow Ben Fulford, but when he stated Timothy Geithner was arrested and then Fox News validated Ben Fulford's report, it caught my attention.

    I don't know what to think of Ben Fulford. Both of these revelations prior to any MSM resporting is VERY impressive to me!"



    UPDATE:
    Original Fulford article of Mar 13th 2012, (had to search it since it was before I started thread...
    It is time to storm the Bastille, vive la revolution

    I wonder if this marks a "kinder and gentler" Vatican? (lol) He gets the option to retire, as opposed to being put out of his misery. Very interesting statement about being "old" and his awareness of the economy


    UPDATE:
    Other notable predictions I have found on Avalon:
    Stomy -
    Synthesis of Prophecies

    jagman - (not a prediction but a lot of interesting "pope" stuff...
    Vatican Opens Secret Archives
    Who is Peter the Roman?




    Bottom Line:
    They are not hiding the fact that this is a PLANNED EVENT obviously months (if not several months at the most) before predictions of a dire Western backed financial meltdown warnings leaking everywhere.) I don't know why people can't draw the conclusion that a lot of what is purported as Biblical prediction is manipulation by high level world power agencies...

    The Roman Origin of Christianity... Roman satire...
    http://www.thenewsturmer.com/downloading/roman1_2.pdf
    The more I study this Roman culture the less I know what to think...
    the absolute power (to kill other human beings for their agenda) and
    the absolute wealth that would intoxicate and destroy any man's soul.

    Another issue, people who still read and study are finding out history is not what we were told, as if the whole point of all this is to crush another renaissance of intellectual growth in order to protect institutions built on lies. Take back all the money stolen by Banks, Rome and the Military Industrial Complex et al and we could have been living on a paradise earth hundreds of years ago.
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    Default Re: Pope Benedict Leaves Papacy, 28th February 2013

    I remember Pope Benedict's visit to Pope Celestine V's tomb in 2009 (then again in 2010) and wondered about the significance of this act at the time:

    Quote Pope Pondering Resignation? Benedict Visits Tomb of Pontiff Who Stepped Down

    Pope Benedict XVI visited on Sunday the tomb of a 13th-century predecessor who abdicated the papal throne in 1294 at age 85. But Benedict, who is 83 and has been under siege over the clergy sex abuse crisis, made no mention of the controversy surrounding that unique resignation or his own thoughts on retirement -- or if that's even possible for a pope.

    Benedict had traveled to the town of Sulmona, in the central Italian region of Abruzzi, which was devastated by an earthquake in 2009, killing some 300 and leaving thousands homeless. The pope had also visited the region soon after the quake, praying before the salvaged remains of Pope St. Celestine V.

    The main reason for this visit, however, was to mark the 800th anniversary of the birth of Celestine, a hermit who reigned for just five months before resigning.

    Pietro del Murrone was a simple monk known for his humility, which led cardinals in a deadlocked conclave to elect him pope after the papal throne had been vacant for more than two years. Pietro protested, but was convinced to take up the burden of office by King Charles II of the Kingdom of Sicily and Naples. Charles led him on a donkey to his coronation as Pope Celestine V.

    During his brief reign, poor Celestine remained a virtual puppet of King Charles. He issued just two major decrees, one providing for the abdication of a pope, and another when he announced his resignation -- something only a handful of popes have done throughout history, and none for the past 700 years or so.

    Celestine's Machiavellian successor, Boniface VIII, imprisoned the poor old man after his resignation, and he died 10 months later. A few years after that, Dante wrote "The Divine Comedy" and put Celestine in the Inferno, just inside the gates of hell for what was called his "great refusal" to take on the papal office.

    Yet Celestine was also canonized by the church in 1313.

    During his homily at an open-air Mass on a hot Sunday morning, Benedict ignored that history and instead focused on Celestine's personal holiness, and his life as a hermit.

    "Silence thus became the element that characterized his daily life," Benedict told the gathering of about 25,000 people. "And it is precisely in external silence, but above all in internal silence, that he succeeded in perceiving God's voice, a voice that was able to guide his life.

    "Here a first aspect that is important for us: We live in a society in which it seems that every space, every moment must be 'filled' with initiatives, activity, sound; often there is not even time to listen and dialogue. Dear brothers and sisters! Let us not be afraid to be silent outside and inside ourselves, so that we are able not only to perceive God's voice, but also the voice of the person next to us, the voices of others."

    Benedict drove home the message of simplicity in a time of abundance in two other events during his daylong visit. "We too, who live in a time of great comfort and possibility, are called to appreciate a sober way of life, to keep our minds and hearts more free to be able to share our goods with our brothers," he told those gathered in Sulmona's main square at noon.

    And later that afternoon he told young people that "the current consumerist culture" tends to "flatten man to the present, to make him lose the sense of the past, of history; but in this way it also deprives him of the capacity to understand himself, to perceive problems and to build tomorrow."

    He continued: "So, dear young people, I would like to tell you, the Christian is one who has a good memory, who loves history and seeks to know it."

    Benedict XVI certainly has a keen sense of history, and knew that his visit would prompt speculation about his own thoughts on retirement -- views he has never shared publicly. It seems unlikely, however, that a pope as respectful of tradition as Benedict is would upend centuries of custom and retire.........
    http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/07...f-pontiff-who/
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