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    Quote Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
    ...if stating that going within and re-discovering who the hell we really are is paramount, that everything else is a distraction, can be interpreted as fear based, and a lame excuse for "inaction", then so be it. Anyone who is either presently undoing their deep programming, or has done it, will certainly tell you a very different story. The journey of discovering that YOU are not only the problem, but the solution, is not for the faint of heart. It can be very lonely, and very dark.
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    Working on your self, educating your self, enlightening your self... these are responsibilities of the highest order, prime directives. However "everything else" is not a distraction, not even for monks. We have physical needs. Leaping from there to 'free energy is a trap' is "jumping the shark", a hyperbolic slap-down of the only technology that can disassemble the major physical control grid and major source of pollution on the planet. Why pick on free energy devices? Why not pick on, say, natural water sources?

    Spring water is a trap! Sure, we need water, but the utility company already provides it right to our homes. It's good enough, and feeling controlled by the water utility shows a lack of personal development. We have everything we need within ourselves (and the pipe that is connected to our house.) Looking outside of ourselves for the answers is an age old, tried and true dead end road, and wide open to manipulation. The answer to every "problem" lays solely within each and every individual, and nowhere else.

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    1) Any solution which takes us outside of ourselves for the answers is an age old, tried and true dead end road, and wide open to manipulation. The answer to every "problem" lays solely within each and every individual, and nowhere else.
    Sorry, this makes no sense to me. The answers to physical problems come from the physical universe. The answer to every problem is therefore not within us. We need energy. Photosynthesis (the basis for almost all life on the planet) requires energy. If someone wants to go Amish and live with only photosynthesized energy, great. I respect them. I don't argue for iPods and TVs and the avalanche of crap that the corporate world sells as "needs", but the world needs energy - massive amounts of energy. We can be stupid and use the dirtiest or deadliest forms of energy (oil, gas, coal, hell, whale oil), or we can be smart and use the cleanest energy possible. Clean also has to be considered in the process of building the energy creation and storage device, whether it's a solar panel, geothermal unit, or zero point device - and the batteries, capacitors, and heat sinks to hold the energy until needed. The next major consideration (or really, the prime one) is the renewability or depletability of the "field"/resource. Solar energy IS free energy, and though not limitless, there is a massive amount of energy striking the Earth daily - certainly enough to power all of society if we could harness and store it. Electricity can be made from devices that use the difference in temperature of two areas - again, close enough to limitless to supply all our energy needs. We don't have these technologies because of the Big Energy Mafia, that want to ensure we remain connected to the grid and our wallets to their bank vaults. Arguing against "free energy" is not just arguing against mysterious (and frightening to some as the 'unknown') zero-point energy devices.

    We could all train ourselves to run a marathon dragging a 26.2 mile long hose with us all the way, or we could train to run with a water bottle. Are we better people, more mystical, more enlightened if we use the hose? Off the grid free energy is freeing to us, like the water bottle is to the marathon runner. People are going to work on their spiritual, emotional, mental development - or not - at their own pace. Why would we agree to allow the Big Energy Mafia to hold us all in chains and somehow tie that into our personal development timeline?

    Studies have now been done that show our inherent cooperative nature. Take away the major reason for competition (energy acquisition), and the paradigm shift, "cooperation, not competition", will blossom. How can that not be seen as beneficial to the self-development that is the premise of this thread? By what logic does it make sense to wait for every member of society to fight their way through the artificially, externally imposed competition and enlighten themselves first, before we as a society make choices that are environmentally responsible and that unshackle us from the greed-driven imposed energy slavery controlled by a few sociopaths?



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    2) It's putting the cart before the horse. Having that kind of power in the hands of insufficiently raised conscious awareness is a recipe for disaster, and very likely responsible for the destruction of many earlier civilazations much like ours today. Quite possibly even planets.
    This is fear porn. I assume you mean so-called "zero-point" technology, not photovoltaic or magnetohydrodynamic or other "free energy" generators. Immediately, the unknown becomes not only unfathomably powerful (exploding planets?!), but also doable at that scale for nefarious groups or nations that, though the scarcity paradigm has been annihilated, are somehow going to use the device to recreate the scarcity paradigm (necessary to foment war.)

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    3) If/when humanity is ready, it will come naturally. Like the old saying goes: "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear".
    Humanity is a collection of souls at every level of development. "Humanity", collectively, will never be ready for anything - because it it is not a homogenized cluster of equally evolved and adept souls, and never will be. It is an impossible construct - a fantasy beyond fantasy - to envision humanity all on the same page developmentally. Again, "free" energy frees, it does not bind. The freeing and the blossoming of a paradigm of abundance (arguably, our natural state of being, that has been perverted by a handful of sociopaths), though "unknown" in history, should not engender fear.

    Fred, you know I love you bro, and I do get that you are trying to relate that our personal development should be sought internally not externally. But you blended that with disavowing our physical needs and solely looking inward for all development. This is true for spiritual, emotional, and mental development; not true for physical.

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    the problem is that if free energy or such devices where available right now, the mentality that people exist in, right now, would be one of using that energy tool to make bigger hammers. To have a more powerful lever to be an unthinking or limited vision monkey via said tool.

    The thing that appears to be going on is that we are being made aware of this method, this tool, this reality,and we need to grow into it, before picking it up.

    I don't make any free energy devices, but I do work pretty hard at making people aware that it exists and also to make them aware of the ramification of it. To open their understanding into it. All while they cannot touch it. You don't put a box of dynamite and box of matches a school yard and then just 'let it be', that is incredibly foolish and it will end in disaster.

    Our problem is that the 'PTB' as we like to call them, have too much of the monkey still in them, and desire to control this lever, which is not to be allowed to happen. That they have a combined problem of responsible people in their group...thinking that this has to happen gradually, in order to not have humanity implode..... combined with a bunch of people in their group....who want to keep it to themselves and will kill anyone and anything that touches it.

    In the past, this combination worked fairly well. When we where further away from the actual moment of such things going public. That if something that was simple to make but very dangerous in uneducated hands..that if this technology got out there, the repercussions could be extreme. In that case, the good thinking members would probably allow the a-holes among them to go out and enact a localized cure. ie, kill the inventor off in a way that looked like a normal or accidental death.

    Now, as we stand at the threshold of this introduction of these more complex realities, we find the ideology and expression of the two groups are not in sync. The nasty want to continue killing and basically kill off what they feel are undesirable parts of humanity. The so-called undesirable parts are merely souls who came here and are experiencing a human life.

    My solution is to push the pile forward, to keep introducing the thoughts and questions within this technological and ideological change..and press that INTO the public mind and eye. A form of preparation of the public, that the nice and not so nice PTB seem to be equally shying away from. to make the truth of it into matrix of understanding that is inescapable... so the truth has to come to the being involved. All before a physical tool is in their hand. That the thoughts on the ramifications and the complexity of the tool appears before the tool can be put in the hand.

    Thus, I'm not introducing explicit construction booklets, or any such things... but the ideas, the physics, the shape of those things, in a layman's language.. so the bulk of humanity can begin to understand the ramifications and the realities at hand.

    So that when the hand finally attempts to reach for the tool, the mind is ready to understand the complexities of the tool and it's potential.
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    Quote Posted by CD7 (here)
    Quote But the question is; Would free energy change the current, natural or conditioned, human destructive, overbearing and selfish behavior?

    You know, people always thing that thereīs a magical solution to fix this mess, but actually nothing external can fix it.

    It must first come from inside; Then we can think about changing the world.

    Interesting question....but i cant help but think tht the day to day survival over ones life and the stressed caused would exhibit different behavior if resources were free as intended. Especially if a person doesnt have the game of collecting as many green papers as they can from cradle to grave.

    I think a persons "inside" would feel much better...not necessarily tht it would make everything honky dorey or fix it. Human behavior would still b at play vying for the most free resources if conscously we made no improvements
    Hi my friend,

    Well, the problem is consumerism. This is what is killing the world and the environment, and weīre all responsible for it.

    Right now, when resources and industrial processes are highly expensive, people are already compulsively consuming much more than they need to live a happy life.

    If we reduce the prices, making consumer goods much cheaper and affordable, would you think people will consume more or less than they do now?

    With the current social mentality, people will consume more, much more, of course.

    Currently, scarcity, leading to high price tags, is the only thing braking excessive consumerism.

    Iīm not saying that the scarcity market rule is beneficial, far from it. Iīm saying that this system, and the conditional mentality of people who support it, is totally messed up, maybe beyond repair, as far as I can reason about it.

    So, what if free energy will lead to a rampant acceleration in consumerism, since everything would become affordable all of a sudden?

    Is there a way to teach the masses how to consume cohesively, in this case? If there is, why donīt we do this right now?

    Honestly, right now we could fix most global problems by balancing consumerism. We could eradicate hunger and give everyone a good life. Why donīt we do it right now?

    In my opinion, we donīt fix everything right now because weīre always waiting for a miracle to fix it for us, and because no one is willing to have bit less, so other human beings, on the other side of the planet, can have a bit more.

    The fact is, the vast majority of people couldnīt care less about it all.

    Raise your hands here, anyone who has an iPad or iPhone...Good. Do you care for the fact that your iPhone is made by people working in inhuman working conditions, treated like animals, up there in China? Look to your iPhone and answer it to me, honestly. Do you care, or youīre just pretending that you care?

    Who here has a car? Have you ever considered riding a bicycle or using public transportation, to stop financing the genocide happening on the other side of the world, where millions of people are murdered so you can have your gasoline?

    Raise you finger if you have a bank account! Do you care to know that your money is financing all this mess? Have you considered closing your bank account?

    So, would free energy fix this hypocrite mentality? Would it fix denial? Would it fix greed? Would it fix conformism?

    Be honest with me folks. Look around you, to all the stuff you have. If you trace everything you have back to its origins, you will undoubtedly realize that a lot of people are suffering, or even dying, so you can have all this stuff.

    Do you really care? Answer me honestly. Do you care?

    Wold free energy change that?

    Raf.
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    RMorgan, Thanks for being so passionate about this issue, along with all the others who have posted here! Could you write a little about how your experiences in Brazil inform your opinion, assuming they do? You're a good writer and I am fascinated with the lives of people living outside of North America. It would be really informative and interesting!

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    RMorgan, Thanks for being so passionate about this issue, along with all the others who have posted here! Could you write a little about how your experiences in Brazil inform your opinion, assuming they do? You're a good writer and I am fascinated with the lives of people living outside of North America. It would be really informative and interesting!
    Brazil? Brazil was started as an exploitation colony and still is one.

    Itīs a totally sold out country, with no sovereignty whatsoever; A poor cartoon of a developed country, which dreams about being among the superpowers of the world, no matter what.

    Our culture was reduced to nothing. Thereīs almost nothing left of our beautiful indigenous people and most of whatīs left of it are alcoholic junkies who lease their land to illegal foreign mining corporations and sell their daughters to prostitution.

    Our contemporary music and art is ridiculous; Cheap copies of foreign pseudo-artistic manifestations.

    Consumerism here is growing like a cancer; Here we have the common practice to parcel consumer goods, so they are paid in 12 or more monthly parcels along the year, which leads to incredibly high personal debts, because very poor people buy much more that they can afford, which, of course, generates a lot of profit for the foreign bankers.

    The Amazon? Completely sold out as well, to foreign mining and pharmaceutical companies. Whatīs left of it is being deforested by livestock farmers, who export meat to the whole world, making Brazil the number one on the global meat exportation rank.

    Our government is totally corrupt and the poor people keep voting for the same corrupt politicians over and over again, because during elections, the candidates buy votes by giving poor people a few bags of rice, beans or new dentures.

    Even our impeached ex-president, Fernando Color, is back, this time as a senator.

    Our public services are a crap; We pay one of the highest taxes in the world, but have nothing in return, because the politicians steal everything.

    Anyway, despite all that, people here are very happy and friendly, but are utter conformists. Itīs not completely their fault, after all, that our country is this mess. The government knows that uneducated people are much easier to manipulate, so they do the best they can to keep people as ignorant as possible.

    So yes, the whole world is a mess, not only North-America or Europe. Everything is f#cked up.
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    Raf, I disagree that scarcity is the only thing which leverages consumerism. People can exercise moderation without being faced with scarcity.

    I only eat one and a half meals a day, I walk whenever possible, I go through a small, local bank, and I don't own any Apple products. Yes, I'm sure at some point down the line I own a product which has caused suffering, even if it is just the laptop I'm using right now.

    Does that really make me just as culpable as the owner/operator of the sweatshops, which drive their employees to suicide? Or the company which intentionally purchases products from the aforementioned sweatshop solely because their products are cheaper, and thus reinforcing the inhumane practice? When I become aware of such abuses, I boycott the company responsible (as I officially did with Apple when I learned of their practices). Is there really much more that I can do within the confines of the law? Should I go above the law and risk my freedom, or indeed my very life, to possibly make a small dent in this pervasive system?

    Now, no longer addressing Raf but speaking generally, I want to remind folks about a couple of important concepts;

    False Equivalence - one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result.

    Slippery Slope
    - an argument which states that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant effect, much like an object given a small push over the edge of a slope sliding all the way to the bottom.

    These are fallacies in logic, and are meant to be avoided.

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    Raf, I disagree that scarcity is the only thing which leverages consumerism. People can exercise moderation without being faced with scarcity.

    I only eat one and a half meals a day, I walk whenever possible, I go through a small, local bank, and I don't own any Apple products. Yes, I'm sure at some point down the line I own a product which has caused suffering, even if it is just the laptop I'm using right now.

    Does that really make me just as culpable as the owner/operator of the sweatshops, which drive their employees to suicide? Or the company which intentionally purchases products from the aforementioned sweatshop solely because their products are cheaper, and thus reinforcing the inhumane practice? When I become aware of such abuses, I boycott the company responsible (as I officially did with Apple when I learned of their practices). Is there really much more that I can do within the confines of the law? Should I go above the law and risk my freedom, or indeed my very life, to possibly make a small dent in this pervasive system?
    Hey mate,

    Thatīs great for you! Youīre are leading by example, and thatīs a great thing.

    However, we both know youīre part of a very very tiny minority, even though you still support the system in a minor degree.

    As far as Iīm aware, and you can correct me if Iīm wrong, most people couldnīt care less, and are active co-participants in this crime against humanity.

    Most of them arenīt even aware of their participation, like the guy I saw the other day, in a socialist protest, with a Che Guevara t-shirt, filming it with his iPhone. Was he aware of his hypocrisy? I donīt think so. Can I blame him for his ignorance? No. Does it make him innocent? No.

    Raf.
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    However, we both know youīre part of a very very tiny minority, even though you still support the system in a minor degree.

    As far as Iīm aware, and you can correct me if Iīm wrong, most people couldnīt care less, and are active co-participants in this crime against humanity.

    Most of them arenīt even aware of their participation, like the guy I saw the other day, in a socialist protest, with a Che Guevara t-shirt, filming it with his iPhone.
    I'm afraid you might be entirely correct about that. I can't prove it, but it does indeed seem to be the case.

    Furthermore I agree with your 'diagnosis' (if you will), that consumerism is really the underlying issue. The toxic monkey on the world's collective back. That is one of the primary issues that needs to be combated.

    They say that acknowledging the problem is the first step, but in this case it certainly isn't the most difficult. Try as I might, I can't come up with any sure-fire way to exorcise this demon. That is the point in which we're taken back to the idea you pointed to earlier, that of societal deconstruction... Whether it is out of stubbornness or naivete, I remain insistent that we find another way.

    I believe that the right words at the right time can change someone's life. The trick is to convert that to a large-scale movement, which can derail this way of life safely. Again at the risk of sounding naive, I want to believe there can be a social/cultural/spiritual movement that accomplishes such a lofty goal.

    Leaving this kind of on a tentative/unresolved note... apologies to Fred if this tangent has gone too far off topic.
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    Quote Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
    2) It's putting the cart before the horse. Having that kind of power in the hands of insufficiently raised conscious awareness is a recipe for disaster, and very likely responsible for the destruction of many earlier civilazations much like ours today. Quite possibly even planets.
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    This is fear porn. I assume you mean so-called "zero-point" technology, not photovoltaic or magnetohydrodynamic or other "free energy" generators.
    Now Dennis, if I were a fear based guy, do you think I ever would have dared initiate this thread? HELLLLLLL NO! (LOL)

    And yes, I'm referring to zero point energy. The energy that appears to be the underlying source of all universal energy, both physical and non physical.


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    Fred, you know I love you bro, and I do get that you are trying to relate that our personal development should be sought internally not externally.
    I love you too man.

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    But you blended that with disavowing our physical needs and solely looking inward for all development. This is true for spiritual, emotional, and mental development; not true for physical.
    As above so below,
    As within so without.

    We don't even remember who we really are yet Dennis, or what we are capable of.

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    I only eat one and a half meals a day, I walk whenever possible, I go through a small, local bank, and I don't own any Apple products. Yes, I'm sure at some point down the line I own a product which has caused suffering, even if it is just the laptop I'm using right now.

    Does that really make me just as culpable as the owner/operator of the sweatshops, which drive their employees to suicide? Or the company which intentionally purchases products from the aforementioned sweatshop solely because their products are cheaper, and thus reinforcing the inhumane practice?
    We all have blood on our hands Freed Fox, and there are no excuses. This runs very deep.
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    Hey folks,

    I was thinking about it here...

    You know what? Before we can jump to a new paradigm, with free energy or not, we must first admit we have a problem here, a serious one.

    Do you know those AA meetings, where they say that the first step to start curing an addiction, is to admit that youīre an addicted?

    Yeah. Thatīs it. We, as a race, are addicted to consumerism and the conveniences provided by the system, and thatīs why we are trapped in this mess for so long and most people donīt do nothing about it besides complaining.

    Weīre addicted to cars, internet, super-markets, shopping malls, credit-cards, money, electronic gadgets, cellphones and much more stuff, and most people donīt even want to think about living without these things.

    Damn it, people go to war, sacrificing their lives, to protect this way of life.

    This is some kind of love and hate relationship between a junkie and a drug dealer; Sometimes the junkie hates the dealer, sometimes he even wants to get rid of him, however, he needs him to get his daily fix.

    He may start buying from another dealer, or even find a way to get his fix for free, but it doesnīt change the fact that heīs an addict, a junkie.

    So, to sum up, I donīt believe weīll be able to fix this mess, with or without free energy, before we go through a radical social rehab process.

    I just hope we can find a way to go through this rehab process by ourselves, not forced by a social economical collapse, a major natural disaster, WWIII or something like that.

    Raf.
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    I would supplement/modify your statement Raf, just a bit.

    IMO, there is a major issue regarding priorities. The problems of the poor are not the problems of the rich. It seems that more and more of our resources and inventive ingenuity is channeled strictly toward what is profitable, and not pursuits which would actually improve the lives of the common man.

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    Quote Posted by Freed Fox (here)
    ...IMO, there is a major issue regarding priorities. The problems of the poor are not the problems of the rich. ...
    Man, oh man, did Freed Fox just hit on the truth. Most of us are so steeped in "stuff" that we have lost touch with the billions upon billions of people for which "abundance" - incredibly joyous abundance - would be clean drinking water, indoor plumbing, toilets, toilet paper, and even one nutrient-dense, nutritious meal a day.

    We need a new measuring stick that includes 7 billion people (and 777 septillion other life forms), and not just measure by ourselves. If and when "free energy" is implemented, I would hope that I am in the last half-billion people to ever even see a device. The inequity, the poverty, the conditions for most on this planet are abysmal, mind numbing, and soul desiccating. My vicarious joy in the implementation of free energy will come from knowing that all of the physical social issues crushing most of humanity have been solved - not because I got some new stuff to pile with my other stuff.

    Thanks, Freed Fox, for that very insightful comment.

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    I think the movie "Groundhog Day" with Bill Murray is a most excellent metaphor for this, and has a far greater message than it's generally given credit for. Even after finally exhausting the fight with his situation, and having a change of heart, he was still fighting. A different fight. There was one lesson he had yet to learn. The Law Of Allowance. The scenes with the old homeless man sum it up nicely.

    He was going to die that night, whether Bill Murray ignored him, or went through heroic measures to save him. As the nurse said: "It was just his time".

    The homeless man was also his teacher. As was everybody else he encountered, over and over and over again. Until he finally "got it".


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    Fred, I don't get it (sorry if I'm thickheaded.) I'm sure you have to agree that humankind is made up of the entire spectrum of every attribute a human can have, notably from completely selfish to completely selfless, and from spiritually unevolved to spiritually evolved. There really will never be "a time" when all of humanity is ready... for fire, or agriculture, or symphonies, or gunpowder, or the internal combustion engine, or the Internet, or zero point energy...

    So is the "right time" when some percentage of humankind is over some threshold percentage with some attribute? Even that makes no sense, because there will always be a bad guy, a selfish guy, a sociopath. Maybe the percentage drops from 1% (which is supposedly the current percentage of sociopaths) to 0.1%, but there will still always be a bad guy, a selfish guy, a sociopath. What happens when they get hold of a match, or a way to genetically modify seeds so the next seeds will be sterile, or a gun, or a sidewalk full of people, or a computer virus, or the desire to use the energy from a zero-point generator to do harm?

    So, it really is never going to be the right time, because there will alway be someone who will use good things for evil.

    Conversely, it may always be the right time. Time for us to stop fighting the creative force, and to allow the creative force to continue creating. Time to accept that most of us have the responsibility to be vigilant for the few of us who wish to harm us with whatever is created.

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    Well now you've gone and done it Dennis, and opened up a whole new can of worms. My answer to that conundrum is almost worthy of a whole new thread, and none too popular as well...
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    Consumerism is borne out of the body's prime directive to stay alive. A modern perversion of it, if you will. Easy enough to understand. No toys, no tricks, no new, then fears of loss, failing, dying, being at risk (and so on) come to mind.

    An emotional push/drive from the depths of our human avatar, perverted by some aspects within humanity. The same deep drives that create tribal religions, social structure, wars and weapons. And more.


    Free energy will 'cure' that insanity, overall, in the same way the western population push has dropped to a low compared to developing countries.

    The trick is surviving the period of change.

    The first generation of people from a developing country do, when emerging in a place with abundance, is that the first panicked generation over-breeds. And..over-consumes, if it is possible to do so. What is known as a 'bunker mentality'.

    The next generation is less prone to this, as they have lived in a world of abundance. The third generation is largely cured of this. But the consumerism remains, as the system is set up for it.

    When free energy comes, imagine it coming to people in Bangladesh, or rural India, for example. I wish to deny them nothing, today or tomorrow. But there is going to have to be a very steep learning curve. That must complete itself in the single generation, in the single decade, or less.

    The save for this issue is other worlds, other dimensions, other beings, other races, other trimelines, a personal knowing of 'no death'.

    Where's the problem?

    Problem being is that the occupant of the avatar knows this but the avatar itself panics, as it KNOWS it is not going along for the ride, but it INSISTS that it is YOU and it INSISTS that it is in charge and it will FIGHT you to the DEATH in order to hold that line. since it is in charge of all your input and output systems, it can and will make a royal mess out of your 'life'. Life being a complex affair of driving or 'being' an avatar/dimensional.

    At the same time as all these things, these realities impinge upon your awareness, you'll have to be dealing with the avatar flipping out to the point that your input/output will be so confused, you won't know one reality or moment from the next, or be able to make heads or tails of it.

    Some people will be just fine. Many will flip out in the extreme.
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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Fred, I don't get it (sorry if I'm thickheaded.) I'm sure you have to agree that humankind is made up of the entire spectrum of every attribute a human can have, notably from completely selfish to completely selfless, and from spiritually unevolved to spiritually evolved. There really will never be "a time" when all of humanity is ready... for fire, or agriculture, or symphonies, or gunpowder, or the internal combustion engine, or the Internet, or zero point energy...

    So is the "right time" when some percentage of humankind is over some threshold percentage with some attribute? Even that makes no sense, because there will always be a bad guy, a selfish guy, a sociopath. Maybe the percentage drops from 1% (which is supposedly the current percentage of sociopaths) to 0.1%, but there will still always be a bad guy, a selfish guy, a sociopath. What happens when they get hold of a match, or a way to genetically modify seeds so the next seeds will be sterile, or a gun, or a sidewalk full of people, or a computer virus, or the desire to use the energy from a zero-point generator to do harm?

    So, it really is never going to be the right time, because there will alway be someone who will use good things for evil.

    Conversely, it may always be the right time. Time for us to stop fighting the creative force, and to allow the creative force to continue creating. Time to accept that most of us have the responsibility to be vigilant for the few of us who wish to harm us with whatever is created.

    Dennis
    Yes Dennis, sounds very similar to a conversation I had earlier today! This is it in a nut shell and as Fred rightly said worthy of a whole other discussion.

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