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    Default Cyprus is actually a "template" (Plans to steal deposits in NZ, Spain, UK, USA, Canada, ...)

    Spanish Bank Deposits Seized, Cyprus-Style

    March 28, 2013 • 1:50PM

    Eurogroup President Joeron Dijsselbloem caused both a political furor and rumblings of major bank runs across Europe, with his remarks March 25 that the great bank heist in Cyprus was actually a "template" for other European countries. The influential Eurogroup Working Group quickly drafted an internal memo which denied Cyprus was such a "template," the Wall Street Journal reports today. And Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy held a joint press conference yesterday with French President Francois Hollande, to proclaim that "the problem of the Cypriot banking sector is different [than that of the rest of Europe]; the decision adopted is extraordinary and unique, and will be applied in an extraordinary manner and only to Cyprus."

    But even as Rajoy was speaking, his government was announcing a long-awaited final settlement of the cases of five bankrupt Spanish banks, led by the giant Bankia, which involved fleecing up to a million small depositors in those banks of anywhere from 30% to 70% of their holdings — something over 6 billion euros. Although the mechanism employed is slightly different than that in Cyprus, the policy is identical: the international financial system is in full meltdown; the game is over; and small depositors and the population in general are being forced to take the hit in order to bail out the big international speculators.

    The only alternative to such genocidal robbery, Lyndon LaRouche has repeatedly explained, is the international implementation of full banking separation under Glass-Steagall legislation.

    In the case of Spain's Bankia, the thievery involves the fact that, over recent years, the bank fraudulently tricked over 400,000 small depositors to use their savings to purchase the bank's "preferred shares" — or "preferentes," as they are known in Spain — with promises of very high rates of return. Marketed as fixed-term deposits, the reality of the "preferentes" is that they either could never be cashed in, or carried terms as long as 1,000 years!

    With Bankia bankrupt, the FROB (Spain's bank reorganization agency) has imposed "haircuts" of 39-50% on all "preferentes" holders, followed by their forced conversion into common stock in Bankia. As part of the settlement, those common stocks, which last week were trading at 2 euros per share, will be drastically slashed down to 1 euro cent per share—a 99% loss. The head of Spain's ADICAE (Association of Consumers and Users of Banks, Savings Banks and Insurance Companies), Manuel Pardos, has denounced this arrangement as "double thievery and fraud," and has filed suit against most of Spain's major financial institutions for the "crime of massive consumer fraud."

    In addition to Bankia, four other bankrupt financial institutions are involved in the heist: Catalunya Bank is slashing "preferentes" by 61%, Banco Gallego by 50%, Novagalicia Banco by 43%, and Banco de Valencia by 90%. In all five cases, the Wall Street Journal admits, "most" of the "preferentes" holders are small depositors.

    Three additional features of the robbery should be noted.

    1) The drastic "haircut" of defrauded small depositors was imposed on the Spanish government as part of a July 2012 Memorandum of Understanding with the detested Troika — the same criminals who just authored the great bank heist in Cyprus.

    2) While Prime Minister Rajoy was busy impersonating Pinnochio, his Deputy Economics Minister, Fernando Jimenez Latorre, was assuring Spain's Senate that the deal "was as generous as possible, because it converts holders of those products [the 'preferentes'] into stock holders, and that lightens their load to help clean up the institution. It is satisfactory, if you compare it to other cases which happened within the EU."

    3) The "preferentes" scam in Spain is almost identical to the late 1930s looting of consumers carried out by First National City Bank (today Citibank), whose exposure by chief counsel Ferdinand Pecora in the famous 1933 congressional hearings led to the passage of Franklin Roosevelt's Glass-Steagall law that year.

    http://larouchepac.com/node/26017


    Dennis Small explains the robbery:


    https://youtube.com/watch?v=j3W8JpokXZw

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    Default Re: Cyprus is actually a "template" (Plans to steal deposits in NZ, Spain, UK, USA, ...)

    Thanks.

    I'm just amazed at how easy it is for governements and banks to commit grand larceny on such a massive scale, and at how THE PEOPLE ALLOW THEM TO GET AWAY WITH IT !!

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    Default Re: Cyprus is actually a "template" (Plans to steal deposits in NZ, Spain, UK, USA, ...)

    Look we alk know this is going on. But it takes more than courage and organisation to make a stance in these cases. In cyprus the banks literally closed so the money could be taken from peoples acciunts. The common man in Cyprus (or indeed most countries outside of US) will not be equipped to storm a bank and then fight off armed forces afterwards.

    These people were powerless. It has long gone beyond the point of tryng to educate people. For me, I am cutting my loses and barely sparing a thought for people who could not find the time to stop, look and listen.
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    Default Re: Cyprus is actually a "template" (Plans to steal deposits in NZ, Spain, UK, USA, ...)

    It looks as if another tax haven could be about to follow Cyprus:

    ******

    On March 27, 2013, His Serene Highness Prince Alois of Liechtenstein attended the opening session of Parliament in Vaduz. According to AFP and Volksblatt, during yesterday’s session the prince gave a speech urging Parliament:

    “…to prepare the Principality of Liechtenstein for austerity and to prepare a balanced budget as soon as possible. The prince warned that forecasts for 2013 show a deficit of 172 million Euros which represents nearly a quarter of spending. The prince exclaimed ‘I see this situation with great concern for the long term good of our country…’

    Liechtenstein has a AAA rating by Standard and Poor’s, which recently confirmed its rating with a stable outlook, highlighting that the Principality has stable institutions and a clear political line, which offers a guarantee of control of economic and financial challenges.”

    ******

    There is a video at the source for those who speak German: http://royalcorrespondent.com/2013/0...terity-videos/

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    Default Re: Cyprus is actually a "template" (Plans to steal deposits in NZ, Spain, UK, USA, ...)

    This report at http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...tors_20130328/

    Quote Confiscating the customer deposits in Cyprus banks, it seems, was not a one-off, desperate idea of a few Eurozone “troika” officials scrambling to salvage their balance sheets. A joint paper by the US Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and the Bank of England dated December 10, 2012, shows that these plans have been long in the making; that they originated with the G20 Financial Stability Board in Basel, Switzerland (discussed earlier here); and that the result will be to deliver clear title to the banks of depositor funds.

    New Zealand has a similar directive, discussed in my last article here, indicating that this isn’t just an emergency measure for troubled Eurozone countries. New Zealand’s Voxy reported on March 19th:
    The plan has been there for a long time for the elite to steal more and more money.

    Here is the fraud exposed:

    Quote Although few depositors realize it, legally the bank owns the depositor’s funds as soon as they are put in the bank. Our money becomes the bank’s, and we become unsecured creditors holding IOUs or promises to pay. (See here and here.) But until now the bank has been obligated to pay the money back on demand in the form of cash. Under the FDIC-BOE plan, our IOUs will be converted into “bank equity.” The bank will get the money and we will get stock in the bank. With any luck we may be able to sell the stock to someone else, but when and at what price? Most people keep a deposit account so they can have ready cash to pay the bills.
    And then ...

    Quote If our IOUs are converted to bank stock, they will no longer be subject to insurance protection but will be “at risk” and vulnerable to being wiped out, just as the Lehman Brothers shareholders were in 2008.
    And it gets scarier:

    Quote The Cyprus haircut on depositors was called a “wealth tax” and was written off by commentators as “deserved,” because much of the money in Cypriot accounts belongs to foreign oligarchs, tax dodgers and money launderers. But if that template is applied in the US, it will be a tax on the poor and middle class. Wealthy Americans don’t keep most of their money in bank accounts. They keep it in the stock market, in real estate, in over-the-counter derivatives, in gold and silver, and so forth.

    Are you safe, then, if your money is in gold and silver? Apparently not – if it’s stored in a safety deposit box in the bank. Homeland Security has reportedly told banks that it has authority to seize the contents of safety deposit boxes without a warrant when it’s a matter of “national security,” which a major bank crisis no doubt will be.
    Humanity is about competition for resources and in terms of money the wealthy elite and those who have bullied their way into power make sure that they accumulate all wealth for themselves and keep the world enslaved in a system where wealth and access to resources is determined by money.

    However, there will come a time when the battle will rage within the elite group as they fight between themselves. They have created a system that by its very rules will destroy them.
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    Default Re: Cyprus is actually a "template" (Plans to steal deposits in NZ, Spain, UK, USA, ...)

    My take on all this: those in charge of the Euro have totally run out of options and are reverting to the last option left: theft by government.

    www.zerohedge.com carries good commentary on all of this mess, as does www.oftwominds.com

    But the short of it is: some truth will occasionally be spoken (like by Dijsselbloem) and then it will immediately be denied (Dijsselbloem denied he said what he actually did say about Cyprus being a template - Reuters and the FT, who did the interview with him, were not amused). On the ground, the situation deteriorates.

    The economy of Cyprus will fall through the floor. Another bailout will be required in a year or so - perhaps the Russians will get involved then, as they are playing the long game. Greece will also require another bailout, as will Spain, Italy and others. Various countries will leave the Euro in a disorderly fashion and the European economy will accelerate its decline. All the politicians and MSM will pretend to be surprised and say that nobody could have seen this coming, even though everyone did.

    It is all part of the unravelling of "peak everything" capitalism, a long and slow process punctated by moments of crisis.

    Of course, this doesn't take into account the effect of ET disclosure or any number of other wild cards which seem, in my humble and purely subjective opinion, to be ever more likely to occur (OT for this thread!).

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    Charlie McGrath and Ellen Brown (Web of Debt) explain the seizure of bank accounts:


    https://youtube.com/watch?v=DuXUS...layer_embedded

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    Quote Cyprus is actually a "template"
    I Agree...

    Its a "template" of how humanity is going take back control of the 'Robber Baron's' (Criminal Monetary System)...

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    It's beginning to look like my total lack of financial assets (barring the massive 700 GBP I could theoretically get from selling my laptop and my phone) is probably a blessing !!

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    Quote Although few depositors realize it, legally the bank owns the depositor’s funds as soon as they are put in the bank. Our money becomes the bank’s, and we become unsecured creditors holding IOUs or promises to pay.
    This is true internationally. The moment you deposit Federal Reserve Notes into a Federally Chartered banking institution, which is not lawful currency, but legal tender, these notes are put into the general account of the bank and are commingled with other deposits.

    Here in the good old USA, Inc., if you want to cash a check and have no account with which to deposit and run the funds through, you pay a 6 dollar fee, must show two pieces of state sponsored and approved identification, must endorse the note on the back, and put your thumbprint on the front, while enduring several attempts by the teller to get you to open an account, and being sneered at and looked down to if you decline. While counting out the cash, the main teller manager, after taking ten minutes in the back room approving the transaction and signing off on it, stands behind the teller and watches her count out the cash, while she looks at you like you are a criminal.

    I know because I go through this every two weeks, while my young co-workers take direct deposits, never see any paper money, never carry any cash, use their debit cards for everything, and snicker at me for being an old antiquated fart for missing out on the convenience of it all, while they stay "heads down" in their smart phones, looking at status updates and beaming the towers with their locations at all times. It's disheartening, and when I try to apprise them of the seriousness of the situation, they just laugh at me and call me a conspiracy theorist.

    Yet the truth is, if you want to make a "special deposit" of lawful currency into a non-interest bearing account, without the bank having your social security number, and your lawful currency not commingled within the general fund, but held on special deposit with YOU as the owner of that account, most banks will not open the account unless you show them the laws and provisions for such an account. I have heard of people doing this, although I have not seen the affirmative protocols for doing so, or know of any who have. Just heard it is possible.

    Pretty soon, there will be no paper notes and all transactions will be digital, and all slaves, um I mean citizens, will be subject to all of the privileges and obligations of slavery, um I mean citizenship, and will be pre-taxed, pre-fined for non compliance, and will be shut off from commerce if they do not obey.

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    British Empire Strategizes on Saving Their System by Killing YOU

    March 30, 2013 • 7:08PM

    The Bank of England (BOE) and the U.S. Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) jointly authored a paper published on Dec. 10, 2012, titled "Resolving Globally Active, Systemically Important, Financial Institutions." Largely unnoticed at the time, the 15-page document has come into focus over the last 48 hours as a critical planning document by the British Empire's financial hit-men, which strategizes over how to save their hopelessly bankrupt trans-Atlantic financial system from the onrushing meltdown, including by stealing assets from depositors — in exactly the fashion that has just occurred in Cyprus and is spreading elsewhere — and leaving populations to scrounge in the rubble for their simple existence.

    The report couches the discussion in terms of making "unsecured creditors" take the hit for bailing out the banks, and remains carefully ambiguous as to whether or not that includes depositors in those banks. But events now rapidly unfolding internationally, make it crystal clear that what is meant by "unsecured creditors" can in fact become depositors in those benighted, bankrupt banks. And it will not only be Cypriots, Spaniards and Italians that will be left to starve in order to bail out the banks; the same policy is planned for the United Kingdom, Canada, and the United States as well. It is coming soon to a bank near you!

    The question that must now be posed, Lyndon LaRouche stated today, is: How many members of the U.S. Congress are aware of this swindle, and are not supporting Glass-Steagall, knowing this?

    Lyndon LaRouche warned you about the precise policy that is outlined in the BOE-FDIC plan — and explained why only Glass-Steagall is a viable alternative — in an explosive Feb. 15, 2013 webcast, where he forecast:

    "The vast mass of debt, which is represented by the monetarist operation, would be cancelled. In its place, they would have a new system of finances, which ignores entirely all the obligations associated with the old! Which would mean that most of the people of the world would be starving to death, quickly. . . I know exactly what they're doing, because I know how systems work. And what they're doing, the only way it will work, is to cancel the entire bailout system—just wipe it off the plate, and come in with a new system, in which people who are privileged will be brought into that system, and they will be given relatively good incomes to live on, but unfortunately the greater majority of the population will have none. This is the greatest population-reduction scheme so far in known history. And that's what the policy of the people who oppose Glass-Steagall is—whether they themselves know it or not. But they will be held accountable for the effect of that policy."

    In light of that LaRouche warning, and unfolding events on the ground, the BOE-FDIC planning document has four policy points which should be emphasized:

    1) In the event of a meltdown of a Globally Active, Systemically Important Financial Institution (G-SIFI), "shareholders would lose all value and unsecured creditors should thus expect that their claims would be written down to reflect any losses that shareholders did not cover." As a March 29 posting on the blog "Random Thoughts" put it: "The $64 trillion question is who are the 'unsecured creditors'? If they are depositors over the guaranteed limits, expect corporations and individuals to park their money elsewhere."

    2) The proposed "top-down" resolution (i.e. bankruptcy reorganization) of G-SIFIs, by a combined UK-US approach, will lead to "smaller, more manageable — and perhaps more profitable" financial institutions. Ring-fencing in the U.K. will be very helpful to bring this about, they say, asserting — absurdly — that this will prevent the derivatives bubble from blowing up in their face.

    3) The Bank of England takes over regulatory authority of all banking in the U.K. from the Financial Services Authority (FSA), this coming Monday, April 1, 2013. Under the existing British Banking Act, the FSA does not cover "non-deposit-taking financial firms, notably investment banks and financial market infrastructures." But as of April 1, the new Prudential Regulation Authority, a subsidiary of the Bank of England, will. This is essential if their proposed policy is to go operational.

    4) The BOE-FDIC report says that the December 2012 study is just the first step, and that they will have detailed plans in place by the end of 2013 for each and every G-SIFI — which are all the principal international banks in the world.

    This policy is already being implemented, at breakneck speed:

    * Cyprus: Cypriot authorities announced on March 30 that depositors holding over 100,000 euros in the country's major banks, are going to be hit much harder than the 40% write-down originally reported. Rather, 37.5% of their holdings will be forcibly converted into common stock in the Bank of Cyprus ("Congratulations; you are now a proud owner of a bankrupt bank"). An additional 22.5% of their deposits won't even earn interest, let alone be returned; and 40% will accrue interest, but also won't be returned, unless "the bank does well."

    * European Union: Cyprus is the "template" for all of Europe, Jeroen Dijsselbloem, the new President of the Eurogroup stated on March 25. He was seconded on March 28 by European Central Bank Governing Council member Klaas Knot: "This approach will be part of the European liquidation policy." On March 29, Swiss MEP Gunnar Hokmark added: "You need to be able to do the bail-in as well with deposits," amid press reports that specific legislation to this effect will soon be presented to the Euro Parliament.

    * Spain: One million Spanish households were swindled into using their deposits to buy "preferred stocks" (preferentes) in most major Spanish banks. As in the case of bankrupt Bankia, those stocks are now worth less than 1% of their original value. According to the blog "Slog," the British subsidiary of the Spain's leading bank, Santander, has just informed its depositors that their money will now be held in its capacity as a bank, and not as a trustee, ie that Santander can attach it at will.

    * Canada: The Hellasfrappe blog reports that Canada's "Economic Action Plan 2013" suggests that banks can be recapitalized by converting certain liabilities, including deposits, into regulatory capital.

    To reiterate LaRouche's point: The question that must now be posed, is: How many members of the U.S. Congress are aware of this swindle, and are not supporting Glass-Steagall, knowing this?

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    Quote Posted by GlassSteagallfan (here)
    Charlie McGrath and Ellen Brown (Web of Debt) explain the seizure of bank accounts
    Ellen Brown's audio was poor quality, which is a challenge for us hearing challenged to understand .

    Looking through her wordpress blog The Webt of Debt blog, I find this recent post by Ellen Brown, excerpted below:

    It Can Happen Here: The Confiscation Scheme Planned for US and UK Depositors:
    Confiscating the customer deposits in Cyprus banks, it seems, was not a one-off, desperate idea of a few Eurozone “troika” officials scrambling to salvage their balance sheets. A joint paper by the US Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and the Bank of England dated December 10, 2012, shows that these plans have been long in the making; that they originated with the G20 Financial Stability Board in Basel, Switzerland (discussed earlier here); and that the result will be to deliver clear title to the banks of depositor funds.
    Can They Do That?
    Although few depositors realize it, legally the bank owns the depositor’s funds as soon as they are put in the bank. Our money becomes the bank’s, and we become unsecured creditors holding IOUs or promises to pay. (See here and here.) But until now the bank has been obligated to pay the money back on demand in the form of cash. Under the FDIC-BOE plan, our IOUs will be converted into “bank equity.” The bank will get the money and we will get stock in the bank. With any luck we may be able to sell the stock to someone else, but when and at what price? Most people keep a deposit account so they can have ready cash to pay the bills.

    The 15-page FDIC-BOE document is called “Resolving Globally Active, Systemically Important, Financial Institutions. (pdf)” It begins by explaining that the 2008 banking crisis has made it clear that some other way besides taxpayer bailouts is needed to maintain “financial stability.” Evidently anticipating that the next financial collapse will be on a grander scale than either the taxpayers or Congress is willing to underwrite, the authors state:
    Quote An efficient path for returning the sound operations of the G-SIFI to the private sector would be provided by exchanging or converting a sufficient amount of the unsecured debt from the original creditors of the failed company [meaning the depositors] into equity [or stock]. In the U.S., the new equity would become capital in one or more newly formed operating entities. In the U.K., the same approach could be used, or the equity could be used to recapitalize the failing financial company itself—thus, the highest layer of surviving bailed-in creditors would become the owners of the resolved firm. In either country, the new equity holders would take on the corresponding risk of being shareholders in a financial institution.
    In a related article, WARNING: FDIC and BOE blueprint for THE FUTURE GLOBAL BANKING FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS (investmentwatchblog.com; March 29th, 2013):

    The 15-page FDIC-BOE document is called “Resolving Globally Active, Systemically Important, Financial Institutions.” It begins by explaining that the 2008 banking crisis has made it clear that some other way besides taxpayer bailouts is needed to maintain “financial stability.” Evidently anticipating that the next financial collapse will be on a grander scale than either the taxpayers or Congress is willing to underwrite, the authors state:

    All of Europe and UK will “bail in” and US well you have to read it to believe it!!!

    http://www.fdic.gov/about/srac/2012/gsifi.pdf

    Cyprus is a test run REPEAT a test run!!! They have spent the last two years rewriting the GLOBAL FINACIAL BANKING SYSTEM.

    THE GLOBAL CRASH IS OH SO NEAR FRIENDS, PREPARE!!!!

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    British Empire Strategizes on Saving Their System by Killing YOU

    March 30, 2013 • 7:08PM

    The Bank of England (BOE) and the U.S. Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) jointly authored a paper published on Dec. 10, 2012, titled "Resolving Globally Active, Systemically Important, Financial Institutions." Largely unnoticed at the time, the 15-page document has come into focus over the last 48 hours as a critical planning document by the British Empire's financial hit-men, which strategizes over how to save their hopelessly bankrupt trans-Atlantic financial system from the onrushing meltdown, including by stealing assets from depositors — in exactly the fashion that has just occurred in Cyprus and is spreading elsewhere — and leaving populations to scrounge in the rubble for their simple existence.

    The report couches the discussion in terms of making "unsecured creditors" take the hit for bailing out the banks, and remains carefully ambiguous as to whether or not that includes depositors in those banks. But events now rapidly unfolding internationally, make it crystal clear that what is meant by "unsecured creditors" can in fact become depositors in those benighted, bankrupt banks. And it will not only be Cypriots, Spaniards and Italians that will be left to starve in order to bail out the banks; the same policy is planned for the United Kingdom, Canada, and the United States as well. It is coming soon to a bank near you!
    Aha - GlassSteagallfan beat me to it (the joint FDIC and BOE paper) by about eight hours. That's what I get for not refreshing my tab before posting.
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    I just added the parenthetical "(Plans to steal deposits in NZ, Spain, UK, USA, ...)" to this thread's title, to make it more obvious what was in this thread.
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    A blogger I had not noticed before, Sherrie Questioning All, has a good post on this topic at FDIC and BOE paper: One Controlling Entity for U.S./U.K. Financials. Plan for continuity of banks/money from "top down" and taking depositors money:

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    This is one of those government papers from the FDIC website, where you read it and are able to see what they have planned.

    The FDIC and the Bank of England put the plan together. It is basically a One (New) World Order for financials and banking. It even says the saving would be from the 'Top Down' in the paper.
    This paper focuses on the application of “top-down” resolution strategies that involve a single resolution authority applying its powers to the top of a financial group, that is, at the parent company level. The paper discusses how such a top-down strategy could be implemented for a U.S. or a U.K. financial group in a cross-border context.
    This paper was finished in December of 2012. This next paragraph proves they have been putting the plans in place to do 'bail ins' (steal depositor money) in the banks for awhile now.

    The introduction of a statutory bail-in resolution tool (the power to write down or convert into equity the liabilities of a failing firm) under the RRD is critical to implementing a whole group resolution of U.K. firms in a way that reduces the risks to financial stability. A bail-in tool would enable the U.K. authorities to recapitalize an institution by allocating losses to its shareholders and unsecured creditors, thereby avoiding the need to split or transfer operating entities. The provisions in the RRD that enable the resolution authority to impose a temporary stay on the exercise of termination rights by counterparties in the event of a firm’s entry into resolution (in other words, preventing counterparties from terminating their contractual arrangements with a firm solely as a result of the firm’s entry into resolution) will be needed to ensure the bail-in is executed in an orderly manner.
    Here is another sentence about the depositors bearing the burden of the bank.
    requires that the losses of any financial company placed into receivership will not be borne by taxpayers, but by common and preferred stockholders, debt holders, and other unsecured creditors.
    Read this next sentence and laugh. They have the nerve to put the words " minimizes moral hazard" in, when they are stealing people's money. They don't even know what the word "moral" means. They have none.
    Once appointed receiver for a failed financial company, the FDIC would be required to carry out a resolution of the company in a manner that mitigates risk to financial stability and minimizes moral hazard. Any costs borne by the U.S. authorities in resolving the institution not paid from proceeds of the resolution will be recovered from the industry.
    Number 30 specifically talks about U.K. stealing people's money:
    The U.K.’s planned approach to single point of entry also involves a top-down
    resolution. On the basis that the RRD will introduce a broad bail-in power,
    the U.K.
    authorities would seek to recapitalize the financial group through the imposition of losses on
    shareholders and, as appropriate, creditors of the firm via the exercise of a statutory bail-in
    power. This U.K. group resolution approach need not employ a bridge bank and
    administration, although such powers are available in the U.K. and may be appropriate under
    certain circumstances.
    Here is their 'top down' strategy again:
    A top-down resolution by definition focuses on assigning losses and establishing new capital structures at the top of the group. This approach keeps the rest of the group, potentially comprised of hundreds or thousands of legal entities, intact.
    Then read this little paragraph. Them working on having their One World Bank authority and overcoming individual country laws/governing bodies:
    A key part of the work undertaken by the U.S. and the U.K. has been to identify the regulatory obligations of foreign authorities in response to a resolution originated by a home authority. Where any impediments to effective whole group resolution have been identified, authorities are in the process of exploring methods to overcome them.

    Read the whole paper! You will find it basically says One World Government in many ways and it will put the future financial problems on the depositors of the banks. It also will worry about the Top Down. In other words "screw the people" we need to be sure we are protected!
    This is outrageous and people need to see this is from their government!
    If people won't believe and wake up, when they are reading a government paper about how the banks will take their money and putting all the pieces in place to do so. They even say it is with a One Authority!
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    March 30, 2013 • 7:08PM

    [...]

    * Canada: The Hellasfrappe blog reports that Canada's "Economic Action Plan 2013" suggests that banks can be recapitalized by converting certain liabilities, including deposits, into regulatory capital.
    Further Documentation:
    I just read about this today.

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    The Confiscation of Savings in Canada? Cyprus-Style “Bail-Ins” Proposed by Ottawa Government


    [...]

    The following comes from pages 144 and 145 of “Economic Action Plan 2013″ which you can find right here. Apparently the goal is to find a way to rescue “systemically important banks” without the use of taxpayer funds…
    Canada’s large banks are a source of strength for the Canadian economy. Our large banks have become increasingly successful in international markets, creating jobs at home.

    The Government also recognizes the need to manage the risks associated with systemically important banks — those banks whose distress or failure could cause a disruption to the financial system and, in turn, negative impacts on the economy. This requires strong prudential oversight and a robust set of options for resolving these institutions without the use of taxpayer funds, in the unlikely event that one becomes non-viable.
    So if taxpayer funds will not be used to bail out the banks, how will it be done? Well, the Canadian government is actually proposing that a “bail-in” regime be implemented…
    The Government proposes to implement a “bail-in” regime for systemically important banks. This regime will be designed to ensure that, in the unlikely event that a systemically important bank depletes its capital, the bank can be recapitalized and returned to viability through the very rapid conversion of certain bank liabilities into regulatory capital. This will reduce risks for taxpayers. The Government will consult stakeholders on how best to implement a bail-in regime in Canada. Implementation timelines will allow for a smooth transition for affected institutions, investors and other market participants.
    So if the banks take extreme risks with their money and lose, “certain bank liabilities” (i.e. deposits) will rapidly be converted into “regulatory capital” and the banks will be saved.

    In other words, the banks will just be allowed to grab money directly out of your bank accounts to recapitalize themselves.

    That may sound completely and utterly insane to us, but this is how things will now be done all over the western world.

    Sometimes a “bail-in” can be done by just converting unsecured debt into equity, but as we just saw in Cyprus, often when there is a major bank failure a lot more money is required to “fix the banks” than can possibly be raised by converting unsecured debt into equity. That is when it becomes very tempting to dip into uninsured back accounts.

    Full article here: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-con...rnment/5329263
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    Change the unsecured creditors, known as depositors, into equity holders of a worthless bank, without their knowledge or permission? Sorry you lost all your money, but here's some worthless stock. How fun is that?

    Welcome to the final pillaging of the wealth of the planet into the hands of the few, and the completion of serfdom for the rest of us!
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    Change the unsecured creditors, known as depositors, into equity holders of a worthless bank, without their knowledge or permission? Sorry you lost all your money, but here's some worthless stock. How fun is that?

    Welcome to the final pillaging of the wealth of the planet into the hands of the few, and the completion of serfdom for the rest of us!
    And then let's scare everybody into running to the bitcoin because we know that a major portion of the internet is going to tank, and we are going to try to control what's left of it.

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    FDIC & Bank of England Create Resolution Authority for Unlimited Cyprus-Style “Bail-Ins” for TBTF Banks.


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    The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) and the Bank of England—together with the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, and the Financial Services Authority— have been working to develop resolution strategies for the failure of globally active, systemically important, financial institutions (SIFIs or G-SIFIs) with significant operations on both sides of the Atlantic.

    The goal is to produce resolution strategies that could be implemented for the failure of one or more of the largest financial institutions with extensive activities in our respective jurisdictions. These resolution strategies should maintain systemically important operations and contain threats to financial stability. They should also assign losses to shareholders and unsecured creditors in the group, thereby avoiding the need for a bailout by taxpayers.

    Read full article: http://silverdoctors.com/fdic-bank-o...or-tbtf-banks/

    See also: http://www.infowars.com/could-the-ba...bank-deposits/
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    Coming to a bank near you? The Cyprus solution.

    Accounts frozen, depositors are now bank stockholders. When the bank fails, stock becomes worthless and depositors (stockholders) money is gone.

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