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    The Book of Dzyan (comprising the Stanzas of Dzyan) is a reputedly ancient text of Tibetan origin. The Stanzas formed the basis for The Secret Doctrine, one of the foundational works of the theosophical movement, by Helena Petrovna Blavatsky in 1875.

    Madame Blavatsky's claims regarding the Book of Dzyan

    Madame Blavatsky claimed to have seen a manuscript of the Book of Dzyan while studying esoteric lore in Tibet. She claimed this and other ancient manuscripts were safeguarded from profane eyes by the initiates of the Great White Brotherhood. The work had originally, according to Blavatsky, been written in the sacred language of Senzar. She wrote :

    This first installment of the esoteric doctrines is based upon Stanzas, which are the records of a people unknown to ethnology; it is claimed that they are written in a tongue absent from the nomenclature of languages and dialects with which philology is acquainted; they are said to emanate from a source (Occultism) repudiated by science; and, finally, they are offered through an agency, incessantly discredited before the world by all those who hate unwelcome truths, or have some special hobby of their own to defend.

    Therefore, the rejection of these teachings may be expected, and must be accepted beforehand. No one styling himself a "scholar," in whatever department of exact science, will be permitted to regard these teachings seriously.

    It should therefore come as no surprise that Max Müller and others have been skeptical. Max Müller is reported to have said that in this matter she was either a remarkable forger or that she has made the most valuable gift to archeological research in the Orient.

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    The Book of Dzyan and the Buddhist Tantras

    In other references Blavatsky claimed the Book of Dzyan belonged to a group of Tibetan esoteric writings known as the Books of Kiu-Te. Blavatsky wrote before a standard transcription of Tibetan into the Latin alphabet had been agreed upon; it took some time to establish that she was referring to what modern scholars write as rGyud-sde, parts of a voluminous Buddhist corpus commonly referred to as the Tantras. Other researchers have suggested a source in Chinese taoism or Jewish kabbala.
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    The Stanzas of Dzyan in the works of Alice A. Bailey
    Supposed verses from the same "Stanzas of Dzyan" were later published by Alice Bailey in A Treatise on Cosmic Fire in 1925. Bailey claimed these verses had been dictated to her telepathically by the Tibetan Master Djwal Kul.

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    Criticism regarding the sources of the Stanzas of Dzyan
    In her biography HPB: The Extraordinary Life and Influence of Helena Blavatsky, Sylvia Cranston tackles the claim of plagiarism that was leveled by William Edward Coleman (discussed in the paragraph below).

    Her view, like Coleman's, is that HPB's plagiarism consisted of quoting primary sources, without acknowledging the secondary sources from which they came. By failing to acknowledge the true source of the material and then attempting to pass it off as her own original work, Blavatsky committed definitive plagiarism.

    When The Secret Doctrine appeared, William Edward Coleman of San Francisco “outraged by Madame Blavatksy’s pretensions of Oriental learning, undertook a complete exegesis of her works. He showed that her main sources were H.H. Wilson’s translations of the Vishnu Purana; Alexander Winchell’s World Life: or, Contemporary Geology; Ignatius Donnely’s Atlantis; and other contemporary scientific and occult works, plagiarized without credit and used in a blundering manner that showed but skin-deep acquaintance with the subjects under discussion.

    She cribbed at least part of her Stanzas of Dzyan from the Hymn of Creation in the old Sanskrit Rig-Veda, as a comparison of the two compositions will readily show. Coleman promised a book that would expose all of H.P.B.’s sources including that of the word Dzyan.”

    Cranston states that a research assistant of hers took on the task of finding Coleman's alleged 70 passages that HPB plagiarized from World-Life, and could only find 6. Coleman himself, far from being an authority on occult material, was a clerk in the Quartermaster Department of the US Army. He was likely not an impartial judge, having written to Coues on July 8, 1890, "I emphatically denounced and ridiculed the theory of occultism, of elementary spirits, etc., before the Theosophical Society was organized [in 1875], and from that time to this I have strenuously opposed Theosophy all the time."

    Coleman promised to publish a book that would "prove" his charges against Blavatsky regarding the Book of Dzyan; this book and its proof never appeared. The reason Coleman's book never appeared is that “Coleman lost his library and his notes in the 1906 San Francisco earthquake and died three years later, his book unwritten” .

    Seminal Ufologist Desmond Leslie theorized the Book of Dzyan had originally been produced on the lost continent of Atlantis. Swiss author Erich von Däniken claimed to have explored some of the book's content and its alleged history, reporting unsourced rumours that the first version of the book predates Earth, and that chosen people who simply touch the book will receive visions of what it describes .

    Stanzas of Dzyan in popular culture
    References to the Stanzas exist in the fictional fantasy works of H. P. Lovecraft, and have been expanded upon by other writers who have worked within the Cthulhu Mythos.
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    MORE INFO HERE

    http://davidpratt.info/dzyan.htm

    http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/dzyan.htm


    http://davidpratt.info/dzyan.htm

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    The important note of this subject is, that the claim that Aliens were the source of these teachings, is from tibetan origin.
    Teachings that were latter «transmited» to the continente of India, for preservation and divulgation around the world.
    The Tibetan Lamas still hold the knowledge of the existence of secret chambres and caves in the mountains .These would hold remains of ancient technology and also, the physical evidence of preserved dead bodies from the ancient race of very tall habitants, that once lived on earth.
    Many indian ancient texts like the Mahabharata etc, would report these ancient «tibetan» techings and also register the use of that ancient technology, aircrafts and letal light and sound weapons.
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    " O royal skilled engineer, construct sea-boats, propelled on water by our experts, and airplanes, moving and flying upward, after the clouds that reside in the mid-region, that fly as the boats move on the sea, that fly high over and below the watery clouds. Be thou, thereby, prosperous in this world created by the Omnipresent God, and flier in both air and lightning." (Yajur-veda 10.19).

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    Ancient Indian Aircraft Technology
    From The Anti-Gravity Handbook

    by D. Hatcher Childress

    Many researchers into the UFO enigma tend to overlook a very important
    fact. While it assumed that most flying saucers are of alien, or perhaps
    Governmental Military origin, another possible origin of UFOs is ancient
    India and Atlantis. What we know about ancient Indian flying vehicles comes
    from ancient Indian sources; written texts that have come down to us through
    the centuries. There is no doubt that most of these texts are authentic;
    many are the well known ancient Indian Epics themselves, and there are
    literally hundreds of them. Most of them have not even been translated into
    English yet from the old sanskrit.
    The Indian Emperor Ashoka started a "Secret Society of the Nine Unknown
    Men": great Indian scientists who were supposed to catalogue the many
    sciences. Ashoka kept their work secret because he was afraid that the
    advanced science catalogued by these men, culled from ancient Indian sources,
    would be used for the evil purpose of war, which Ashoka was strongly against,
    having been converted to Buddhism after defeating a rival army in a bloody
    battle. The "Nine Unknown Men" wrote a total of nine books, presumably one
    each. Book number was "The Secrets of Gravitation!" This book, known to
    historians, but not actually seen by them dealt chiefly with "gravity
    control." It is presumably still around somewhere, kept in a secret library
    in India, Tibet or elsewhere (perhaps even in North America somewhere). One
    can certainly understand Ashoka's reasoning for wanting to keep such
    knowledge a secret, assuming it exists.
    Ashoka was also aware of devastating wars using such advanced vehicles
    and other "futuristic weapons" that had destroyed the ancient Indian "Rama
    Empire" several thousand years before. Only a few years ago, the Chinese
    discovered some sanskrit documents in Lhasa, Tibet and sent them to the
    University of Chandrigarh to be translated. Dr. Ruth Reyna of the University
    said recently that the documents contain directions for building interstellar
    spaceships! Their method of propulsion, she said, was "anti- gravitational"
    and was based upon a system analogous to that of "laghima," the unknown power
    of the ego existing in man's physiological makeup, "a centrifugal force
    strong enough to counteract all gravitational pull." According to Hindu
    Yogis, it is this "laghima" which enables a person to levitate.
    Dr. Reyna said that on board these machines, which were called "Astras"
    by the text, the ancient Indians could have sent a detachment of men onto any
    planet, according to the document, which is thought to be thousands of years
    old. The manuscripts were also said to reveal the secret of "antima"; "the
    cap of invisibility" and "garima"; "how to become as heavy as a mountain of
    lead." Naturally, Indian scientists did not take the texts very seriously,
    but then became more positive about the value of them when the Chinese
    announced that they were including certain parts of the data for study in
    their space program! This was one of the first instances of a government
    admitting to be researching anti-gravity.
    The manuscripts did not say definitely that interplanetary travel was
    ever made but did mention, of all things, a planned trip to the Moon, though
    it is not clear whether this trip was actually carried out. However, one of
    the great Indian epics,the Ramayana, does have a highly detailed story in it
    of a trip to the moon in a Vimana (or "Astra"), and in fact details a battle
    on the moon with an "Asvin" (or Atlantean") airship. This is but a small bit
    of recent evidence of anti-gravity and aerospace technology used by Indians.
    To really understand the technology, we must go much further back in
    time. The so-called "Rama Empire" of Northern India and Pakistan developed at
    least fifteen thousand years ago on the Indian subcontinent and was a nation
    of many large, sophisticated cities, many of which are still to be found in
    the deserts of Pakistan, northern, and western India. Rama existed,
    apparently, parallel to the Atlantean civilization in the mid- Atlantic Ocean,
    and was ruled by "enlightened Priest-Kings" who governed the cities.
    The seven greatest capital cities of Rama were known in classical Hindu
    texts as "The Seven Rishi Cities." According to ancient Indian texts, the
    people had flying machines which were called "Vimanas." The ancient Indian
    epic describes a Vimana as a doubledeck, circular aircraft with portholes and
    a dome, much as we would imagine a flying saucer. It flew with the "speed of
    the wind" and gave forth a"melodious sound." There were at least four
    different types of Vimanas; some saucer shaped, others like long cylinders
    ("cigar shaped airships"). The ancient Indian texts on Vimanas are so
    numerous, it would take volumes to relate what they had to say. The ancient
    Indians, who manufactured these ships themselves, wrote entire flight manuals
    on the control of the various types of Vimanas, many of which are still in
    existence, and some have even been translated into English.
    The Samara Sutradhara is a scientific treatise dealing with every
    possible angle of air travel in a Vimana. There are 230 stanzas dealing with
    the construction, take-off, cruising for thousand of miles, normal and forced
    landings, and even possible collisions with birds. In 1875, the Vaimanika
    Sastra, a fourth century B.C. text written by Bharadvajy the Wise, using even
    older texts as his source, was rediscovered in a temple in India. It dealt
    with the operation of Vimanas and included information on the steering,
    precautions for long flights, protection of the airships from storms and
    lightning and how to switch the drive to "solar energy" from a free energy
    source which sounds like "anti-gravity." The Vaimanika Sastra (or
    Vymaanika-Shaastra) has eight chapters with diagrams, describing three types
    of aircraft, including apparatuses that could neither catch on fire nor
    break. It also mentions 31 essential parts of these vehicles and 16 materials
    from which they are constructed, which absorb light and heat; for which
    reason they were considered suitable for the construction of Vimanas.
    This document has been translated into English and is available by
    writing the publisher: VYMAANIDASHAASTRA AERONAUTICS by Maharishi
    Bharadwaaja, translated into English and edited, printed and published by Mr.
    G. R.Josyer, Mysore, India, 1979 (sorry, no street address). Mr. Josyer is
    the director of the International Academy of Sanskrit Investigation, located
    in Mysore. There seems to be no doubt that Vimanas were powered by some sort
    of "anti-gravity." Vimanas took off vertically, and were capable of hovering
    in the sky, like a modern helicopter or dirigible. Bharadvajy the Wise refers
    to no less than 70 authorities and 10 experts of air travel in antiquity.
    These sources are now lost. Vimanas were kept in a Vimana Griha, a kind
    of hanger, and were sometimes said to be propelled by a yellowish-white
    liquid, and sometimes by some sort of mercury compound, though writers seem
    confused in this matter. It is most likely that the later writers on Vimanas,
    wrote as observers and from earlier texts, and were understandably confused
    on the principle of their propulsion. The "yellowish- white liquid" sounds
    suspiciously like gasoline, and perhaps Vimanas had a number of different
    propulsion sources, including combustion engines and even "pulse-jet"
    engines. It is interesting to note, that the Nazis developed the first
    practical pulse-jet engines for their V-8 rocket "buzz bombs." Hitler and the
    Nazi staff were exceptionally interested in ancient India and Tibet and sent
    expeditions to both these places yearly, starting in the 30's, in order to
    gather esoteric evidence that they did so, and perhaps it was from these
    people that the Nazis gained some of their scientific information!
    According to the Dronaparva, part of the Mahabarata, and the Ramayana,
    one Vimana described was shaped like a sphere and born along at great speed
    on a mighty wind generated by mercury. It moved like a UFO, going up, down,
    backwards and forwards as the pilot desired. In another Indian source, the
    Samar, Vimanas were "iron machines, well-knit and smooth, with a charge of
    mercury that shot out of the back in the form of a roaring flame." Another
    work called the Samaranganasutradhara describes how the vehicles were
    constructed. It is possible that mercury did have something to do with the
    propulsion, or more possibly, with the guidance system. Curiously, Soviet
    scientists have discovered what they call "ageold instruments used in
    navigating cosmic vehicles" in caves in Turkestan and the Gobi Desert. The
    "devices" are hemispherical objects of glass or porcelain, ending in a cone
    with a drop of mercury inside.
    It is evident that ancient Indians flew around in these vehicles, all
    over Asia, to Atlantis presumably; and even, apparently, to South
    America.Writing found at Mohenjodaro in Pakistan (presumed to be one of the
    "Seven Rishi Cities of the Rama Empire") and still undeciphered, has also
    been found in one other place in the world: Easter Island! Writing on Easter
    Island, called Rongo-Rongo writing, is also undeciphered, and is uncannily
    similar to the Mohenjodaro script. Was Easter Island an air base for the Rama
    Empire's Vimana route? (At the Mohenjo- Daro Vimana-drome, as the passenger
    walks down the concourse, he hears the sweet, melodic sound of the announcer
    over the loudspeaker,"Rama Airways flight number seven for Bali, Easter
    Island, Nazca, and Atlantis is now ready for boarding. Passengers please
    proceed to gate number..") in Tibet, no small distance, and speaks of the
    "fiery chariot" thus: "Bhima flew along in his car, resplendent as the sun
    and loud as thunder... The flying chariot shone like a flame in the night sky
    of summer ... it swept by like a comet... It was as if two suns were
    shining. Then the chariot rose up and all the heaven brightened."
    In the Mahavira of Bhavabhuti, a Jain text of the eighth century culled
    from older texts and traditions, we read: "An aerial chariot, the Pushpaka,
    conveys many people to the capital of Ayodhya. The sky is full of stupendous
    flying-machines, dark as night,but picked out by lights with a yellowish
    glare." The Vedas, ancient Hindu poems, thought to be the oldest of all the
    Indian texts, describe Vimanas of various shapes and sizes: the
    "ahnihotravimana" with two engines, the"elephant-vimana" with more engines,
    and other types named after the kingfisher, ibis and other animals.
    Unfortunately, Vimanas, like most scientific discoveries, were
    ultimately used for war. Atlanteans used their flying machines, "Vailixi," a
    similar type of aircraft, to literally try and subjugate the world, it would
    seem, if Indian texts are to be believed. The Atlanteans, known as "Asvins"
    in the Indian writings, were apparently even more advanced technologically
    than the Indians, and certainly of a more war-like temperament. Although no
    ancient texts on Atlantean Vailixi are known to exist, some information has
    come down through esoteric, "occult" sources which describe their flying
    machines.
    Similar, if not identical to Vimanas, Vailixi were generally "cigar
    shaped" and had the capability of manoeuvering underwater as well as in the
    atmosphere or even outer space. Other vehicles, like Vimanas, were saucer
    shaped, and could apparently also be submerged.According to Eklal Kueshana,
    author of "The Ultimate Frontier," in an article he wrote in 1966, Vailixi
    were first developed in Atlantis 20,000 years ago, and the most common ones
    are "saucer shaped of generally trapezoidal cross- section with three
    hemispherical engine pods on the underside." "They use a mechanical
    antigravity device driven by engines developing approximately 80,000 horse
    power." The Ramayana, Mahabarata and other texts speak of the hideous war
    that took place, some ten or twelve thousand years ago between Atlantis and
    Rama using weapons of destruction that could not be imagined by readers until
    the second half of this century.
    The ancient Mahabharata, one of the sources on Vimanas, goes on to tell
    the awesome destructiveness of the war: "...(the weapon was) a single
    projectile charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent
    column of smoke and flame as bright as the thousand suns rose in all its
    splendour... An iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which
    reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.... the
    corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. The hair and nails fell out;
    pottery broke without apparent cause, and the birds turned white.... after a
    few hours all foodstuffs were infected.... to escape from this fire, the
    soldiers threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their
    equipment..." It would seem that the Mahabharata is describing an atomic war!
    References like this one are not isolated; but battles, using a fantastic
    array of weapons and aerial vehicles are common in all the epic Indian books.
    One even describes a Vimana-Vailix battle on the Moon! The above section very
    accurately describes what an atomic explosion would look like and the effects
    of the radioactivity on the population. Jumping into water is the only
    respite.
    When the Rishi City of Mohenjodaro was excavated by archaeologists in the
    last century, they found skeletons just lying in the streets, some of them
    holding hands, as if some great doom had suddenly overtaken them. These
    skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on a par with those found
    at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Ancient cities whose brick and stonewalls have
    literally been vitrified, that is-fused together, can be found in India,
    Ireland, Scotland, France, Turkey and other places. There is no logical
    explanation for the vitrification of stone forts and cities, except from an
    atomic blast.
    Futhermore, at Mohenjo-Daro, a well planned city laid on a grid, with a
    plumbing system superior to those used in Pakistan and India today, the
    streets were littered with "black lumps of glass." These globs of glass were
    discovered to be clay pots that had melted under intense heat! With the
    cataclysmic sinking of Atlantis and the wiping out of Rama with atomic
    weapons, the world collapsed into a "stone age" of sorts, and modern history
    picks up a few thousand years later Yet, it would seem that not all the
    Vimanas and Vailixi of Rama and Atlantis were gone. Built to last for
    thousands of years, many of them would still be in use, as evidenced by
    Ashoka's "Nine Unknown Men" and the Lhasa manuscript.
    That secret societies or "Brotherhoods" of exceptional, "enlightened"
    human beings would have preserved these inventions and the knowledge of
    science, history, etc., does not seem surprising. Many well known historical
    personages including Jesus, Buddah, Lao Tzu, Confucious, Krishna, Zoroaster,
    Mahavira, Quetzalcoatl, Akhenaton, Moses, and more recent inventors and of
    course many other people who will probably remain anonymous, were probably
    members of such a secret organization. It is interesting to note that when
    Alexander the Great invaded India more than two thousand years ago, his
    historians chronicled that at one point they were attacked by "flying,fiery
    shields" that dove at his army and frightened the cavalry. These "flying
    saucers" did not use any atomic bombs or beam weapons on Alexander's army
    however, perhaps out of benevolence, and Alexander went on to conquer India.
    It has been suggested by many writers that these "Brotherhoods" keep some of
    their Vimanas and Vailixi in secret caverns in Tibet or some other place is
    Central Asia, and the Lop Nor Desert in western China is known to be the
    centre of a great UFO mystery. Perhaps it is here that many of the airships
    are still kept, in underground bases much as the Americans, British and
    Soviets have built around the world in the past few decades. Still, not all
    UFO activity can be accounted for by old Vimanas making trips to the Moon for
    some reason.
    Undoubtedly, some are from the Military Governments of the world, and
    possibly even from other planets. Of course, many UFO sightings are "swamp,
    gas, clouds, hoaxes, and hallucinations, while there is considerable evidence
    that many UFO sightings, especially "kidnappings" and the like, are the
    result of what is generally called "telepathic hypnosis."
    One common thread that often runs between "Alien kidnappings," "sex with
    aliens," and other "close encounters of a third kind" is a buzzing in the
    ears just before the encounter. According to many well informed people, this
    is a sure sign of telepathic hypnosis.
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    AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE VIMANAS AND DEPICTS DRAWINGS

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vi..._vimanas_4.htm

    http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Vimanas.htm






    A REMAIN OF THE CENTRAL PILAR OF ONE TIPE OF VIMANA - the pillar of Chandraketu








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    The Vaimānika Shāstra वैमानिक शास्त्र ("Science of Aeronautics" also Vimanika, Vymanika) is an early 20th century Sanskrit text on aeronautics, claimed to be obtained by mental channeling, about construction of vimānas, the "chariots of the Gods", self-moving aerial cars mentioned in the Sanskrit epics.

    The existence of the text was revealed in 1952 by G. R. Josyer, according to whom it is due to one Pandit Subbaraya Shastry, who dictated it in 1918-1923. A Hindi translation was published in 1959, the Sanskrit text with an English translation in 1973. It has 3000 shlokas in 8 chapters and was attributed by Shastry to Maharishi Bharadvaja, which makes it of purportedly "ancient" origin, and hence it has a certain notability in ancient astronaut theories.

    Structure and content

    An illustration of the Shakuna Vimana that is supposed to fly like a bird with hinged wings and tail.Unlike modern treatises on aeronautics that begin by discussing the general principles of flight before detailing concepts of aircraft design, the Vaimanika Shastra straightaway gets into quantitative description, as though a particular aircraft is being described. The topics covered include, "definition of an airplane, a pilot, aerial routes, food, clothing, metals, metal production, mirrors and their uses in wars, varieties of machinery and yantras, planes like ‘mantrik’, ‘tantrik’, and ‘kritak’" and four planes called Shakuna, Sundara, Rukma, and Tripura are described in greater detail. The extant text is claimed to be only a small (one-fortieth) part of a larger work Yantra Sarvaswa ("All about machines" composed by Maharishi Bharadwaj and other sages for the "benefit of all mankind".

    In 1991, the English portion and the illustrations from the Josyer book were reprinted by David Hatcher Childress in Vimana Aircraft of Ancient India & Atlantis as part of the Lost Science Series. According to Childress, the 8 chapters treat the following:

    The secrets of constructing aeroplanes, which will not break, which cannot be cut, will not catch fire, and cannot be destroyed.
    The secret of making planes motionless.
    The secret of making planes invisible.
    The secret of hearing conversations and other sounds in enemy places.
    The secret of retrieving photographs of the interior of enemy planes
    The secret of ascertaining the direction of enemy planes approach.
    The secret of making persons in enemy planes lose consciousness.
    The secret of destroying enemy planes.

    The propulsion of the Vimanas according to Kanjilal (1985) is by a "Mercury Vortex Engines", apparently a concept similar to electric propulsion. Childress finds evidence for this "mercury vortex engine" in the Samarangana Sutradhara, an 11th century treatise on architecture.


    A study by aeronautical and mechanical engineering at Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore in 1974 concluded that the aircraft described in the text were "poor concoctions" and that the author showed a complete lack of understanding of aeronautics. ......................??? WHAT ???...
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    I have no idea of the veracity of this report but James Gilliland sent it out and it may be of some interest: [http://jimmyprophet.wordpress.com/20...-afghanistan/]

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    Michael Cremo on Forbidden Archeology, Our Billion-Year-Old Human History and the Spiritual Satisfaction of the Vedas
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    The Daily Bell is pleased to publish an exclusive interview with Michael Cremo.

    Introduction: Michael Cremo is on the cutting edge of science and culture issues. As he crosses disciplinary and cultural boundaries, he presents to his various audiences a compelling case for negotiating a new consensus on the nature of reality. Michael Cremo is a member of the World Archeological Congress and the European Association of Archaeologists and a research associate in history and philosophy of science for the Bhaktivedanta Institute. After receiving a scholarship to study International Affairs at George Washington University, Michael began to study the ancient histories of India known as the Vedas. In this way, he has broadened his academic knowledge with spirituality from the Eastern tradition. He has written numerous well received though controversial books.

    Daily Bell: Please answer these questions as if our readers were not aware of your many articles and books. You are a Hindu creationist. What does that mean?

    Michael Cremo: Hinduism is a system of religious thought. It is a general term, much like Christianity is a general term. Christianity includes a lot of churches, including the Catholic Church, the Greek Orthodox Church, the Mormon Church, the Baptist Church, Methodist Church, Presbyterian Church, Anglican Church, etc. Christians have a lot of ideas about the origin of life and the universe. All of them are creationists, in the sense that they believe God had something to do with it. Many Christians think that God created humans by evolution. Many other Christians think that God created humans and the other life forms directly, without evolution.

    Although all Christians are creationists, the term is generally used for those Christians who do not accept the Darwinian theory of evolution. It is the same with Hinduism. Hinduism includes lots of different spiritual traditions. Some worship one God, some worship many gods. I belong to a Hindu tradition that accepts one supreme God, known by the name Krishna. I believe God, by whatever name people know him, did not use Darwinian evolution to create human beings and other species of life. Therefore some people call me a Hindu creationist.

    Daily Bell: You have been called 'the intellectual force driving Vedic creationism." Isn't that ironic given that you are not Indian and didn't grow up in India. What's happened to the Hindu culture that it does not espouse its own cause?


    Michael Cremo: The situation among Hindus is complex, just like the situation among Christians is complex. Christians have lots of different ideas about evolution. Some accept it, and some do not. The same is true among Hindus in India. Some Hindus in India accept the Darwinian theory of evolution. Others do not. My guru, or spiritual teacher, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada (1896-1977), did not accept the Darwinian theory of evolution. He saw it as contrary to the accounts of the origin of life given in the sacred texts of India. He publically opposed the Darwinian theory of evolution and espoused a kind of Vedic creationism.

    When I carefully studied his position, I decided it was valid. But as I said, there are many Hindus in India who accept the Darwinian theory of evolution. One reason for this is that the British ruled India for a long time. They set up an education system that taught British ideas, like the theory of evolution. In 1948, India became politically independent from Britain, but the education system installed by the British remained intact and it still teaches the theory of evolution.

    Daily Bell: Your father was a military intelligence officer. How did this influence you?

    Michael Cremo: It influenced me in two ways. First of all, our family moved around a lot when I was growing up, to different places in the United States and abroad. This opened my mind to the reality that there is more than one way of looking at the world. The American way is one way, but other people have other ways of looking at the world. In my travels, I was exposed to lots of different worldviews, including the traditional worldview of ancient India. This latter worldview made a lot of sense to me, so as I was growing older and had to formulate my own worldview, I adopted it. One aspect of the ancient Indian worldview is the idea of extreme human antiquity, the idea that humans have existed since the beginning of life on earth. So that is where I got this idea.

    Second, because my father was involved in intelligence work, I was aware that there is such a thing as secret knowledge. There are facts that many people are not aware of. When I started my research into the history of archeology, looking for archeological evidence for extreme human antiquity, the first place I looked was in the current textbooks of archeology. There I did not find any such evidence. I found only evidence that supports the current evolutionary theory of human origins.

    According to that theory, humans like us first appeared on earth less than 200,000 years ago. But because of my familiarity with intelligence work, I realized there might be some facts that were not being included in the textbooks. So I decided to look beyond the textbooks. I started looking at the original scientific reports, in many different languages, from the time of Darwin to the present. When I did that I discovered many reports of discoveries of human bones, human artifacts, and human footprints many millions of years old. I documented those reports in my book Forbidden Archeology.


    Daily Bell: You served in the Navy. Was that a good experience for you? What was the emotional journey from being a military man to where you are now? What changed in your life?

    Michael Cremo: You have to keep in mind that I was not serving voluntarily. At that time in the United States (the late 1960s) there was something called the draft, which means that the government would call you to enter the military and you had to go. Today they have a better system, an all-volunteer system. Still, the experience was good for me. There was a slogan at the time: Join the Navy and see the world. I was sent to a weather station in Iceland. During my time in Iceland, I explored the glaciers and volcanoes, studied Old Icelandic, and read the Old Icelandic sagas. But I never completely identified myself as a military person. I continued to see myself as a human being searching for truth about myself and truth about the world I live in. So my Navy experience was another step on that journey.

    Daily Bell: Is it true you decided to devote your life to Krishna in the early 1970s, after receiving a copy of the Bhagavad Gita at a Grateful Dead concert?


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    Michael Cremo new interview. Coast to Coast
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    News - Florida to witness Hindu chariot processions.

    These «chariots« are the sky chariots or Vimanas , from Older Times.

    http://www.dandavats.com/wp-content/...8_14.51.50.jpg

    http://www.infewlines.com/2011/05/hi...as-in-florida/





    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05cCTq5kBsg

    Ancient Nuclear War:

    First hour guest, unorthodox researcher Michael Cremo talked about ancient Sanskrit writings from India that contain descriptions resembling nuclear warfare. In the texts, a weapon was said to shine as brilliant as a thousand suns, and battlefields were littered with tens of thousands of warriors. Based on astronomical information given in one text, he surmised that one of these battles took place around 5,000 years ago.

    Guests: Howard S. Friedman, Michael Cremo
    Longevity Study:

    On Thursday's show, Professor of Psychology Howard Friedman discussed an eight decade study that documents who really thrives under certain conditions and who dies early. The study which busts a number of myths about the secrets to living a longer life, was started by Dr. Lewis Terman in 1921. He used a group of 1,500 gifted boys and girls born around 1910, and these subjects were subsequently tracked throughout their lives. Looking at personality factors, one surprising result, was that those with a "cheery disposition" actually died at a younger age, on average.

    Those who lived longest were found to be the most conscientious-- they were prudent, planned their lives to some extent and were more focused on finding good jobs and relationships, Friedman reported. Stress and worrying were actually found to not be a bad thing in terms of longevity, and people who worked the hardest tended to live the longest, he noted, adding that retirement usually is detrimental to health.

    The subjects who were naturally active (but not rigorous exercisers) tended to stay healthy as opposed to those more sedentary, and those who had more people around them and made a difference in people's lives fared better than the loners, he detailed. People who engaged in "catastrophic thinking," i.e. finding doom everywhere, tended to die at a younger age, especially for men, Friedman shared.
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    Quote Posted by MariaDine (here)
    The Book of Dzyan (comprising the Stanzas of Dzyan) is a reputedly ancient text of Tibetan origin. The Stanzas formed the basis for The Secret Doctrine, one of the foundational works of the theosophical movement, by Helena Petrovna Blavatsky in 1875.
    I simply love and adore old books.
    I've known of the supposed existance of "the book of dzyan" for a while.
    Part of Blavatsky's creation mythos is that mankind was not the first intelligent race of humanoids on the planet.
    As a matter of fact, the upcoming movie "In the Mountains of Madness" being directed by the same guy who directed "Pan's Labrynth", is based on a Lovecraft story that was influenced by this Blavatsky idea that there was once a blob like amorphous race of intelligent beings who once lived on the planet, long before mankind exisisted.

    I would like nothing more than this "book of dzyan" to be real.
    It is news to me that Eric VonDonikon was reported to say the book was real, and also claim first hand exposure to it.
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    The Vaimānika Shāstra वैमानिक शास्त्र ("Science of Aeronautics" also Vimanika, Vymanika) is an early 20th century Sanskrit text on aeronautics, claimed to be obtained by mental channeling, about construction of vimānas, the "chariots of the Gods", self-moving aerial cars mentioned in the Sanskrit epics.

    The existence of the text was revealed in 1952 by G. R. Josyer, according to whom it is due to one Pandit Subbaraya Shastry, who dictated it in 1918-1923. A Hindi translation was published in 1959, the Sanskrit text with an English translation in 1973. It has 3000 shlokas in 8 chapters and was attributed by Shastry to Maharishi Bharadvaja, which makes it of purportedly "ancient" origin, and hence it has a certain notability in ancient astronaut theories.

    Structure and content

    An illustration of the Shakuna Vimana that is supposed to fly like a bird with hinged wings and tail.Unlike modern treatises on aeronautics that begin by discussing the general principles of flight before detailing concepts of aircraft design, the Vaimanika Shastra straightaway gets into quantitative description, as though a particular aircraft is being described. The topics covered include, "definition of an airplane, a pilot, aerial routes, food, clothing, metals, metal production, mirrors and their uses in wars, varieties of machinery and yantras, planes like ‘mantrik’, ‘tantrik’, and ‘kritak’" and four planes called Shakuna, Sundara, Rukma, and Tripura are described in greater detail. The extant text is claimed to be only a small (one-fortieth) part of a larger work Yantra Sarvaswa ("All about machines" composed by Maharishi Bharadwaj and other sages for the "benefit of all mankind".

    In 1991, the English portion and the illustrations from the Josyer book were reprinted by David Hatcher Childress in Vimana Aircraft of Ancient India & Atlantis as part of the Lost Science Series. According to Childress, the 8 chapters treat the following:

    The secrets of constructing aeroplanes, which will not break, which cannot be cut, will not catch fire, and cannot be destroyed.
    The secret of making planes motionless.
    The secret of making planes invisible.
    The secret of hearing conversations and other sounds in enemy places.
    The secret of retrieving photographs of the interior of enemy planes
    The secret of ascertaining the direction of enemy planes approach.
    The secret of making persons in enemy planes lose consciousness.
    The secret of destroying enemy planes.

    The propulsion of the Vimanas according to Kanjilal (1985) is by a "Mercury Vortex Engines", apparently a concept similar to electric propulsion. Childress finds evidence for this "mercury vortex engine" in the Samarangana Sutradhara, an 11th century treatise on architecture.


    A study by aeronautical and mechanical engineering at Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore in 1974 concluded that the aircraft described in the text were "poor concoctions" and that the author showed a complete lack of understanding of aeronautics. ......................??? WHAT ???...
    Well this line is certainly interesting.
    For those who are familiar with Jim Marrs "nazi bell" material, this next line should cause you to jump off your butts.

    Quote The propulsion of the Vimanas according to Kanjilal (1985) is by a "Mercury Vortex Engines", apparently a concept similar to electric propulsion. Childress finds evidence for this "mercury vortex engine" in the Samarangana Sutradhara, an 11th century treatise on architecture.
    Joseph Ferrell and Jim Marrs both describe the Nazi experiments as having to do with spinning two different vats of electrified mercury in opposing directions.
    Making a vortex?
    I would think that is a probable assesment.

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    MariaDine - thanks for all the Michael Cremo links. Such an interesting man and mind expanding ideas.

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    This is very interesting.
    Unfortunately I hope we never get our hands on any of this information, we will only destroy the planet even faster. Just look how unstable this forum is!

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    Quote Posted by pie'n'eal (here)
    This is very interesting.
    Unfortunately I hope we never get our hands on any of this information, we will only destroy the planet even faster. Just look how unstable this forum is!
    Okay ... I'll bite (just kidding)

    Care to elaborate???
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    I think it worth mentioning that Madame Blavatsky and the whole aura surrounding the Mt. Shasta movement are related.
    I started this thread a couple of weeks ago The origins of mount shasta , and I was amazed to see how much the followers of Blavatsky
    were involved with the whole mythos.
    I think it started with Alice Bailey making a passing mention of Shasta, and this really started an avalanche of claims.

    Regardless, of what you think of theosophy, the Shasta movement is fascinating, and the original supernatural claims started with Spencer Oliver in 1880 and his channelled work "A Dweller on Two Planets by Phylos the Thibetan".
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    Hi Maria
    I never realized we had a secret door in the archives of Avalon that connected us to even more secret vaults of the ancients...
    I feel like after reading "the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" ....
    Thank you so much for all your great postings.

    Here is my timeline, concerning UFOs....
    In the late seventies I made friends with a contactee, but was skeptical...although accepting the idea that we were not alone in the universe
    In 1994 I had several UFO sightings that removed all doubt
    In 2000 I had a series of dreams and hallucinations the made me suspect I had been contacted, but was too scared to face regression therapy
    around that time began my serious quest
    UFOs came from outer space, and/or they came from the future, and/or they were manufactured in the US-reverse engineered,
    But No, the NAZIs had them first.....This I discovered after watching a video by Nick Cook, thus I became aware of the NAZI Glocke, or Bell project,...the work of Dr. Joseph Farrell...
    Then a year ago I started to research the NAZI connection to Tibetan occultism....
    The biggest eye opener yet, if one wants answers to where the PTB are trying to herd us...
    Nuff said.
    The puzzle image is beginning to show....
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    It's amazing where those nazis show up isn't it? Hence, I don't think we even know the beginning of what WW2 was really about...and maybe we never will....

    But it is a real eye-opener...

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    Quote Posted by ulli (here)
    Hi Maria
    I never realized we had a secret door in the archives of Avalon that connected us to even more secret vaults of the ancients...
    I feel like after reading "the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" ....
    Thank you so much for all your great postings.

    Here is my timeline, concerning UFOs....
    In the late seventies I made friends with a contactee, but was skeptical...although accepting the idea that we were not alone in the universe
    In 1994 I had several UFO sightings that removed all doubt
    In 2000 I had a series of dreams and hallucinations the made me suspect I had been contacted, but was too scared to face regression therapy
    around that time began my serious quest
    UFOs came from outer space, and/or they came from the future, and/or they were manufactured in the US-reverse engineered,
    But No, the NAZIs had them first.....This I discovered after watching a video by Nick Cook, thus I became aware of the NAZI Glocke, or Bell project,...the work of Dr. Joseph Farrell...
    Then a year ago I started to research the NAZI connection to Tibetan occultism....
    The biggest eye opener yet, if one wants answers to where the PTB are trying to herd us...
    Nuff said.
    The puzzle image is beginning to show....
    Quote Posted by jcocks (here)
    It's amazing where those nazis show up isn't it? Hence, I don't think we even know the beginning of what WW2 was really about...and maybe we never will....

    But it is a real eye-opener...
    Makes you wonder why they called the messenger of the Gods Mercury.
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    The sign of Gemini (the Twins) is ruled by Mercury, the messenger of the gods...
    Always rushing about, delivering " the message", no time to read any of the documents they carry, just ensuring that the message gets delivered, even if at times getting their head bitten off if the message is not to the god's liking....
    The twins, ...this denotes the fragment aspect...
    Like the metal itself that breaks easily into tiny little round balls, so Geminis are never quite "whole"

    For them to get to wholeness takes four times the meditation time as normal mortals...

    But boy, when they get there!!!! They can change worlds with a single thought....
    Maybe they need a little lead in their diets...weigh them down...help them FOCUS
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    Boy, and don't we know it!

    (And, yes.... I am a Gemini ;-) )

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    Quote Posted by jcocks (here)
    It's amazing where those nazis show up isn't it? Hence, I don't think we even know the beginning of what WW2 was really about...and maybe we never will....

    But it is a real eye-opener...

    So many opinions about the beginning of WW2....
    The beginning of anything is built on what went on before, and before and before.
    Then not to forget the different layers of operation...3 D...public...3 D leaders, 4 D spirits, 4 D gods...all the way to Source
    And all Source cares about is maintaining universal balance and harmony
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    Quote Posted by ulli (here)
    Quote Posted by jcocks (here)
    It's amazing where those nazis show up isn't it? Hence, I don't think we even know the beginning of what WW2 was really about...and maybe we never will....

    But it is a real eye-opener...

    So many opinions about the beginning of WW2....
    I think you misunderstood wha I was trying to say. I'm trying to say that what we're told WW2 was about, is not the truth. There were other aspects to WW2 that the general public have little or no knowledge about - and I'm saying the truth about these may never fully be known.

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