Boston Marathon Bombings: Other comments, views ... merged thread.

[Ellisa]

I can't get the thanks button to work--- but thank you to vivek for such a well reasoned explanation 2 pages back!

[araucaria]

Why was the Boston marathon the target event. Well, one former runner wrote a novel on this subject after feeling pretty vulnerable while racing. His fears have been played out years later. Be careful what you write folks.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/...ll_by_tom.html

[Selene]

Re your speculations about the patsies, Paul, I agree in general. My guess is that there were actually several unwitting patsies in that crowd - setups for various contingencies. They'd wait to see how the actual event played out before selecting their poster kid(s). In fact, there was that delay before they announced who they were looking for...and the video evidence they showed was pretty sparse... (Yes, maybe their lawyers were thinking about prejudicing a future jury...but...)

Posted by Paul (here)
I wonder if something like the following happened:

• The patsy(s) who were intended to take the fall for the Boston Marathon bombings turned out not so good choices (perhaps because they were Saudi?)
• So a scramble was on to find some fall-back patsies.
• A couple of mind controlled young men of suitable appearance were found, who perhaps were also in security camera footage from the Marathon (or perhaps that footage was concocted ex post facto).
• The two young men were induced into robbing a convenience store.
• A cop was killed (we'll never know by whom) and that blamed on the young men.
• The perhaps less easily controlled older brother was shot full of holes, and the younger one taken into custody.
• Voila - instant patsy with the appropriate "Islamic radicals are out to kill us" background.

All this is high octane speculation, as Joseph P. Farrell would say.

Cheers,

Selene

[Yvonne]

After all that we've learned from Duncan O'Finnioan, Miranda Kelly, and others like them, it's not a far stretch to believe that the brothers COULD have been mind-controlled for a long time, and given the trigger to do the bombing. That would explain his calm demeanor afterwards. And it would also explain what the mother is saying about them being monitored by the FBI for years prior.

[Limor Wolf]

Both suspect Anzor Tsarnev's mother and father claims that their sons has been set up

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Wh10h8A_w8Q

Father of Boston bomb suspects says he believes secret services framed his sons

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PIhyI0zO-0U

[Selene]

Cross posting from https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post664221 Possible Boston Marathon Bombing Cover-Up Scenario

Now here's a smoking gun if ever there was one - the FBI was his "friend", huh? I'll bet they asked him to "help them" "keep tabs on" these extremist groups... (They might even have been steering/sponsoring those groups in the first place - but that's another tale from the crypt...)

They set him up; asked him to carry a pack to the finish line, part of a drill, sting, etc. Same thing the CIA did to Lee Oswald (who worked for them), Clayton Ruby (ditto) and - most famously - "Tim Osman" AKA Osama Bin Laden...

So far, the Perfect Patsy Ploy is right on track....

Cheers,

Selene

[SilentFeathers]

I'm wondering if they had info yesterday that the 19yr old bomber left Massechusetts and they didn't know where he went, if they would of locked down the whole nation and told everyone across the US to lock themselves up in their homes and try not to cower in fear too much?????????? and wait for the government to save them! Freaking ridiculous!

Amazing how a young desperate criminal with a gun and a few crude grenade like bombs could cause complete cities to shut down.....even more amazing is that how easily it was actually agreed too and was done....

Who are really the MKUltral mind controlled subjects? We're toast folk's.....

[Kimberley]

If I lived in Watertown I would have not allowed them to search my home unless they had a warrant.

[Kimberley]

This is worth a watch (Posted an hour ago) (I am not a fan of Alex either however he does come up with some interesting information)

NY Times: 'FBI Staged Terror Attacks'

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RidBrYAdvPg

[Camilo]

My kids were framed, says Boston bombing suspects' father
19/04/2013 Combined Report, RIR

An Interfax correspondent has managed to talk on the phone with a man introducing himself as Anzor, the father of Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who are suspected of committing the Boston Marathon bomb attack on Monday.

"I learned about the incident from TV. My opinion is: the special services have framed my children, because they are practicing Muslims. Why did they kill Tamerlan? He was supposed to be caught alive. The younger is on the run now. He was a sophomore at a medical school in the U.S. We expected him to come home for vacation. Now I don't know what's going to happen. Tell you once again: I believe special services have framed my children," the man said.

The brothers’ uncle has confirmed to AP that the brothers lived together near Boston and have lived in the United States since immigrating there about a decade ago.

Apparently also resident in the US, Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, the mother of Dzhokhar and Tamerlan, turns out to have a criminal record of her own. On June 13, 2012, the 45-year-old was arrested by the police in Natick, Massachusetts, and charged with larceny of women's clothing valued at $1,624, as well as two counts of malicious damage to property.

The Tsarnaev family moved to Dagestan from Kyrgyzstan in 2001, the school spokesman told RT. Dzhokhar studied there for just one year and produced no particular impression, good or bad, on the teachers.

“He arrived at our school in the first form and departed in the second,” Irina Bandurina, the secretary at Makhachkala’s School No.1, told RT. “They arrived from Kyrgyzstan and departed to the US. I’m telling you they lived here for a year. Not the whole year. They arrived at the school in 2001 and departed in March 2002 … There were four of them – two sisters and two brothers… It’s written here that they are from Kyrgyzstan. The Chechens.”

Dzhokhar was born in Kyrgyzstan. The family, which also included two daughters, Bella and Amina, had the status of refugees at the time they moved to Russia.

Vladimir Evseev, Director of the Center for Social and Political Studies, argues that terrorists’ origins don’t tell anything and terrorism is a global threat that need to be addressed.

“Terrorism has no face and those who commit terrorist acts have no nationality,” he said.“For example, some Russian passport holders have joined the Syrian rebels. These are people without a true homeland. They earn money by killing people, and cannot change their occupation. ... [Potential] terrorists may come from elsewhere."

Alexei Filatov, retired KGB officer and Vice-President of Russia’s elite Alpha Group Veterans’ Association assumes that the Tsarnaevs may be brainwashed.

“One of the suspects is 19 years old, a child. The other wanted to join the U.S. Olympic boxing team. It’s clear it would have been easy to brainwash them,” he said. “I don’t see an Islamic trail. Otherwise some organization would have taken credit for it by now. I’m not sure we’ll ever know who ordered the crime.”

“This will serve as a justification for any additional security measures the government takes, including military intervention abroad, directed at fighting radical Islam,” added Filatov.

Yet Evseev argues that the government should be more careful when it hosts foreign citizens with different backgrounds.

"Instead of sending troops to the Middle East to fight hostile regimes, America should focus on problems within its own borders,” he said.

U.S. law enforcement bodies earlier identified the Boston Marathon bombing suspects as Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev coming from Russia's North Caucasus.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, was killed on Thursday night in a shootout with police, while his brother was cornered and captured alive in the manhunt a day later.

[GlassSteagallfan]

Found this at Veterans Today:


Editor’s Note: The video below crediting InfoWars contains significant information. Lt. Col. Potter has less than half the story, washed clean of Israeli involvement and a clear background. However, I recommend the video just the same. What is sad is that Sandy Hook was so obvious and he never saw it coming.

If we allow this outrage, the Boston false flag to stand, patsies blamed for an FBI/Mossad operation, we can only expect, not just more of the same, but Lt. Col. Potter has some of it right.This week’s terror attack in Boston is not the first incredible failure of intelligence and law enforcement America has suffered. By “incredible,” I mean exactly that, “not to be believed.”

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yWUB4MCLsHg

https://youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=yWUB4MCLsHg

full article: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/04...-had-it-first/

[Cidersomerset]

Boston: The Tale of Two Backpacks
Sunday, 21 April 2013 12:24
Posted by David Icke

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bjocGidSLJw

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bjocGidSLJw


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Why did FBI fake Boston Bomber surveillance video





http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/04/1...illance-video/
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‘FBI Staged Terror Attacks’

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RidBrYAdvPg

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RidBrYAdvPg




Read more ...

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Boston Questions and Anomolies




"With a bomb strapped to his chest, one of the Boston Marathon suspects was killed
early Friday after he and his accomplice brother robbed a 7-Eleven..."

Boston Marathon suspect is killed, second on loose after extraordinary firefight

NO WAIT, THE POLICE APPEAR TO HAVE 'LIED'.

"Police said Friday the suspects didn't hold up the store."

Boston Bomber Manhunt: Shots, Suspect Cornered


Read more ...
http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2013...ston-fake.html
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Boston Israelis, patsies, pressure cooker, Norway



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http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2013...n-patsies.html
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Why Has US President Already Deliver Guilty Verdict for Boston Bombers?

(Because that is what the movie script demands - cue.)

'Rule number one for any serious crime scene or investigation is to gather all the
evidence and all the testimonies first, before being able to establish criminal
charges, let alone deliver any meaningful verdict.

In an extraordinary executive intervention, the President of the United States has
weighed in on the Boston Bombing case – already delivering a guilty verdict for the
Tsaranev brothers.'

Read more ...




Next >

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/8...-two-backpacks

[Hervé]

Cider... why go to other sites to repeat their nonsense?

Here is the timeline as recorded by the clocks (look for them on the high resolution pics) at the marathon finish line where you can verify to your satisfaction that the "Craft" guy had his backpack on his back before and after the explosions:



Update on this post and this post:

Calibrating the timing of the bombs' detonations from the Boston Globe video (https://youtube.com/watch?v=myfiv...layer_embedded and stabilized: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7l447UT3rtM) to the marathon finish line clocks; the first explosion did occur at 4:09:44 PM, local time, but the second explosion (blast sound) occurred at 4:09:58 PM.

1) first explosion blasted at 4:09:44 PM some 20' away from where the 2 "Craft" guys were stationed:

2) 4:09:58 PM, second blast occurred further down the street from the finish line and on the same street side

3) 4:11:40 PM (marathon finish line clock above their head), the two "Craft" guys are now standing on the other side of the street beyond the finish line.They had about 2 minutes to cover that distance from their "Sweetgreen" store station, after the first blast, flowing with the crowd fleeing the scene.

High resolution picture at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hahatan...7633252445135/

In other words, they missed spotting the "unusual" of the dropping of the bomb right under their nose... not good for their matricule... since that, according to VT:

What our Special Ops people just can’t believe: these stand out security contractors who look like they are from ‘overseas’ just happen to be stationed 15 to 20 feet left of the first bomb…but seem to have left the position prior to it being dropped…and moved across the street which happened to be a good place. Protocol is to not have them move around, as if they do they don’t know who is new in an area, who they have been talking to, how they are acting.


Now look at them after the bombing, still in their Butch Cassidy and Sundance mode, on the phone, and not the slightest bit involved with what is going on around them other than communicating with someone.

Usually the bosses back at headquarters are watching everything live on video anyway, from a variety of cameras. You don’t really have any security if you are doing that as protocol is to even have the plain clothes guys being watched to make sure they are not chatting up some babe. Yes, they have to do that.

Here is photo one. Protocol is zone defence…people at street level with people above watching their backs so you have three pairs of eyes on one zone, plus a video camera.

I disagree with VT that they moved around prior to the bomb detonating since they had about 2 minutes to cover the distance after the first explosion and 1-1/2 minute after the second explosion.

4) 4:12:50 PM, all the "Craft" gang is around their command center SUV:

High resolution picture at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hahatan...7633252445135/

5) about 8 "Craft" operatives are around that SUV:

... all in "uniform"... the reason being, according to VT:

Once again, they are engaged with no one around them and seem totally relaxed and doing nothing but communicating with someone. These are DHS contractors. They dress the same so the team knows who they are, Feds, versus locals.

This is the only photo of them involved with some one, the FBI bomb squad people. I wonder if they are telling them “they almost got us!!…"


My take is that these guys weren't there for rescue or crowd control or inspection of the blast site like the fully green-geared bomb squad individual... none of that.

I suspect they were there to spot who would look suspect in dropping a bag in the area... therefore there must have been a bomb threat warning (another FBI plot?) for them to be on the look out... and they missed it! Not good publicity for the "Craft" outfit.

For larger resolution pictures see: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/craft...l17apr13.shtml

and: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/04...hers-tsarnaev/

About 1 to 2 hours later (not sure which time zone this particular Fox News is operating on), command center SUV and crew truck still on the scene now mostly deserted:

Crew truck leaving after SUV

On the premise of this assumption:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
On the other hand, in terms of possibilities, it could be that there was a bomb threat warning...

... disguised as a drill to "not scare" the crowd into a stampede... you know... like the nutcase mayor of New York needing to get "his" marathon on schedule despite "Sandy"'s devastation...

"The marathon has always brought our city together and inspired us with stories of courage and determination," Mr Bloomberg and the New York Road Runners, the marathon's organizers, said in a joint statement.

... and considering the above options and those of this post, what boggles the mind is that these operatives "missed it" in spite of, presumably, having beforehand data on the situation for them to be hired on the job in the first place. These are "pros" and they "missed it"?

A shaped charged (designed to propel the shrapnel in a specific direction) is also the work of "pros."

Hence, are we witnessing a battle between "pros" as suspected by Lt Col. Potter or are all of them conniving for the fueling of the terror grip on the US and world population?


Update:

Not sure what kind of gun is smoking but here is the official connection between FBI and the "Craft" crew:

High resolution picture at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hahatan...7633252445135/

[lizfrench]

New video and information coming out of the Truth Frequency Radio site, looks like the older brother was put in a police car perfectly fine, naked, then there is a picture of him, obviously tortured and murdered, probably with his brother who was dumped in the boat later, barely alive: http://truthfrequencyradio.com/why-w...hours-later-2/
hopefully this won't get taken down.

[Cidersomerset]

Who ever is behind the cowardly bombing in Boston, we must carry on.


Boston runners in the London Marathon grateful for support

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VP2_9vLqCLo

Published on 21 Apr 2013


Boston marathon runners Lindsay Majno and Jack Cumming tell Channel 4 News
Sports Correspondent Keme Nzerem that they are grateful foor the support being
given as they preapre to run the London Marathon.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6cQZFeBQpBc

[RunningDeer]

Boston Terror: Precursor to Attack on Rights

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZPfyRkcuXWw

Published on Apr 21, 2013

The inevitable attempt to restrict our rights in the wake of the most frightening terror attack since 9/11 is sure to come next. In this special report on the Boston Marathon bombing, Aaron Dykes and Melissa Melton demonstrate how the formula of problem-reaction-solution is used again and again to motion the masses towards the fluttering illusion of safety that disguises a take over by tyranny only obvious once the aftermath settles.

[Cidersomerset]

New video and information coming out of the Truth Frequency Radio site, looks like the older brother was put in a police car perfectly fine, naked, then there is a picture of him, obviously tortured and murdered, probably with his brother who was dumped in the boat later, barely alive: http://truthfrequencyradio.com/why-w...hours-later-2/
hopefully this won't get taken down.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CVi5hIgcoYc

Published on 20 Apr 2013


This UNCONFIRMED video which we are told appeared on Brazilian TV earlier today appears to have been shot at the scene of the Boston Police Dept's arrest of suspect bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev - the video clearly shows the 26 year old being escorted to BPD vehicle whilst handcuffed and not wounded, which in total contradiction to official reports which claim the suspect was shot by police and then run-over by his younger brother in a stolen SUV in Sommerville, MA. Please bookmark and share this video, and do continue to ask questions about what happened on the evening April 18th and the morning of April 19th, 2013, so the public can better determine the truth of all that really happened.

[Cidersomerset]

These stories have a 'patsy' feel about them although they do not spell it out.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=i1XnsDxCWZU

Published on 21 Apr 2013


The father of the two suspects in the Boston marathon bombing
has told Channel 4 News the FBI contacted his son by telephone
days before he was tracked down and killed.

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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1_rOujHHmHk

Published on 21 Apr 2013


Police now have to answer whether the brothers were linked to an extremist group,
headed by Russia's most-wanted man - the Chechen Islamist militant Doku
Umarov. The suspects' family claims they had been under FBI surveillance for the
past 5 years, and refuse to believe the young men carried out the atrocity. RT
travelled to the North Caucasus, where the brothers' parents now live, to learn
more about their background.

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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lZSBFbyzZLQ

Published on 21 Apr 2013


Investigators into the Boston Marathon bombings are trying to figure out what
triggered two young suspects into carrying out the worst US terror attack since 9/11
. The Tsarnaev brothers, who'd spent around half their lives living in the US, are
believed to have carried out Monday's twin explosions which killed 3 and wounded
more than a hundred. The suspects' family claims they had been under FBI
surveillance for the past 5 years, and refuses to believe the young men carried out
the atrocity. Former FBI agent Coleen Rowley joins RT studio.

[Selene]

Just in:

Posted by The Telegraph (London)

Boston marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev may never speak again.


The surviving suspect in the Boston marathon bombings may never be able to speak to the FBI after suffering a gunshot wound to his throat and tongue.


Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, who was also shot in the leg, is under guard and handcuffed to the bed in hospital where he is in a “very serious” condition, sedated and connected to a breathing tube.

Tom Menino, the Boston mayor, said: “We don’t know if we’ll ever be able to question the individual.”

How utterly convenient.

Just sign this confession, kid, don’t bother reading, you can’t speak nor see clearly, just sign here, kid.... Does he even have a lawyer? Miranda rights?

Rest of the story here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...eak-again.html

P.S. Also notice that he's being identified as "the Boston Marathon Bomber". Nothing careful about "alleged" or "suspected" here. No sirreee. He done it! No trial necessary. No due process. Not innocent until proven. He's their chosen patsy. Done.

Regards,

Selene

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Selene (here)
Does he even have a lawyer? Miranda rights?

He's a terrorist ... he don't get no stinkin' Miranda rights </sarcasm>

In more polite words, his Miranda rights have been withheld, as SilentFeathers posted here.