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    For those who are undecided, here are a few of reasons why Israel would not use a nuclear weapon against Syria:

    1) It would mean abandoning their nuclear ambiguity
    2) The USA would not provide Israel arms any more, since the USA can not legally provide arms to states that have both not signed the NPT and possess nuclear weapons.
    3) It would earn the Syrian government sympathy - not something Israel or the West wants.
    4) Israel would become an international pariah, above and beyond its current status.
    5) Their arguments against Iran would be spectacularly undermined.
    6) They would risk spreading fallout over their regional allies.

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    Nuclear warfare was my job in the Army from 1986 ti 1990 .. This was a low yield surface burst nuclear explosion no doubt ... over the next week the people in the surrounding areas must move upwind at least 50 miles or so , or they will get radiation sickness ... anyone in range after H+2 is going to need decontamination quickly ... you can see the debris being pulled in to the fireball, then going up into the air, artillery doesn't do that, it goes boom and blows everything outward ...
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    IMO that was a nuke, battlefield grade not hiroshima grade
    as far as I'm concerned the charged particles at detonation were discharged as the heavier particulates rose skyward into the atmosphere producing the lightning flashes which are not prevalent with chemical bombs
    Lightning is a tell tale signature during surface/atmospheric nuclear events
    I do not agree that this was a normal chemical armament explosion

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    Quote Posted by Tesseract (here)
    The problem is that people have conflicting concepts of what constitutes proof. I have not come across any reports of radiation levels indicative of a fission bomb being detonated.

    Incidentally, the camera was about 3 km away from the blast when it occurred, based on the lag time between light and sound reaching the camera.
    Yeah .

    I can imagine four ways to "know" it was a nuke:
    • Size - if it was significantly bigger than the largest known conventional bomb, then it must have been a nuke, or at least "unconventional" or "unpublicized".
    • Radiation - I presume that various forms of fusion, fission and combinations thereof give off characteristic radiation.
    • Inside information - if a trusted inside source who actually knew first hand what type of ordinance was used ("trusted" - hah).
    • Velocity - I presume that nuclear bombs emit faster moving explosive propellants than conventional.
    I have no reliable access to any of these means in this case, with sufficient accuracy to distinguish nuclear from conventional.
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    Quote Posted by Tesseract (here)
    For those who are undecided, here are a few of reasons why Israel would not use a nuclear weapon against Syria:

    1) It would mean abandoning their nuclear ambiguity
    2) The USA would not provide Israel arms any more, since the USA can not legally provide arms to states that have both not signed the NPT and possess nuclear weapons.
    3) It would earn the Syrian government sympathy - not something Israel or the West wants.
    4) Israel would become an international pariah, above and beyond its current status.
    5) Their arguments against Iran would be spectacularly undermined.
    6) They would risk spreading fallout over their regional allies.
    Key word, LEGALLY. Oh the US would NEVER break the law now would they? HE HE I personally think it was a small nuke.
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    Here's a video of a conventional MOAB bomb blowing up:

    Here's a big Russian conventional bomb going off:

    I don't see enough difference to know whether this recent bomb explosion in Damascus was conventional or nuclear, but that could easily be because I don't know what to look for.
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    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    Nuclear warfare was my job in the Army from 1986 ti 1990...
    Things have slipped a bit since you left:

    http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/08...iref=allsearch

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    A nuclear bomb was simulated with conventional explosives in Australia back in the 60s:


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    Quote Posted by Tesseract (here)
    For those who are undecided, here are a few of reasons why Israel would not use a nuclear weapon against Syria:

    1) It would mean abandoning their nuclear ambiguity
    2) The USA would not provide Israel arms any more, since the USA can not legally provide arms to states that have both not signed the NPT and possess nuclear weapons.
    3) It would earn the Syrian government sympathy - not something Israel or the West wants.
    4) Israel would become an international pariah, above and beyond its current status.
    5) Their arguments against Iran would be spectacularly undermined.
    6) They would risk spreading fallout over their regional allies.
    1. The World knows Israel is a nuclear power, nothing ambiguous about it. They've been collecting weapons of mass destruction for decades (4000yrs+).
    2. Israel doesn't need to depend on the USA providing nukes or technology officially or legally, ask South Africa or Russia or Japan . . .
    3. The World is sympathetic with Syria its just Israel and their masters, the Elite, in Europe aren't
    4. Israel is already an international pariah across the spectrum of humanities plights
    5. Iran will still be attacked by Israel but Israel appears to be charged to start a conflagration in Syria to escalate to World War status first, to earn support from others - planned op imo
    6. Give over, Israel doesn't give a damn about its allies, they are Gentiles and after all that would collateral damage

    This appears to be a precursor for major escalation

    Recently, we have discussed the worlds missing gold. Israel would like to rebuild Solomons Temple again. The original apparently was festooned in gold especially around the chamber containing the superconductor of the Arc of the Covenant. But the Temple Mount prevents this happening as an Islamic Mosque currently stands there.
    Maybe, just maybe, any retaliatory strike might just clear the Mount to serve the ambitions of Israel. I believe the anniversary of the original temple build occurs in 2016 so it really isn't to hard to imagine our futures, the worlds future during this period of escalation.

    Anyway, the haggling and bartering will begin in earnest through the corridors of power and just so happens Sen John Kerry, Sec of State is doing the rounds so goodness knows what his mandate was or is.
    We will have to await "evidence".

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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    Here's a video of a conventional MOAB bomb blowing up:

    Here's a big Russian conventional bomb going off:

    I don't see enough difference to know whether this recent bomb explosion in Damascus was conventional or nuclear, but that could easily be because I don't know what to look for.
    Well after seeing that, I guess I am on the fence about it being a nuke. Although the lightning may be a give away characteristic.
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    yeah , I got out cause they were building for a war in the middle east, I left on april 3rd and three days later they invaded Iraq ...they are trying to fufill the book of revelation, a nuke explosion ? I wouldn't put it past them, stir up the muslim world and Israel goes to battle and the U.S. hand is forced ...could have been a rogue element posing as Israel's soldiers ... the same maniacs that start all the conflicts working in concert with bankers , oil men, and politicians, and lawyers, and billionaire wackos ... notice none of them have to do any shooting ...
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    I had premonitions last year of a terrible disaster in Syria.
    My website with all those articles about Syria was taken down.
    It had things in it that opposed nuclear violence, showed Trinity monument over and over.

    I couldn't stop seeing Trinity monument, in my thoughts.
    That the time was going to come, and soon, that there would be nuclear violence in the middle east,
    and ultimately, the western world!

    god be with those suffering people...

    please look at this post for proof of nuclear premonition

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ent#post633711

    i referenced the Khabur triangle region and the prophet ezekiel,
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    I have no idea what sort of explosion this was but, either way it cannot be a good thing. I find it disturbing that with all the problems the planet faces, violence on such a scale can still be seen as the right way to sort things out.
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    Default Re: Syria Nuked by Israel?

    First news always conflicts!
    Experts say yes was a Nuke!
    Experts say No air raids! but was artillery strikes!
    Experts say GBU 57 was used! but this bomb Israel carn't use it, they haven't the planes for it ? so planes from where ?
    Experts say the GBU 57 to dangours cause it cracks the Earths crust?
    Quote http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05...s-syria-nuked/

    More Proof
    Colonel James Hanke, former Defense Attaché and Liaison between the Pentagon and Netanyahu’s government , reviewed the footage.
    He indicated that the GBU 57 is considered too high a risk for use because of its danger to the earth’s crust.

    The Syrian/African fault line spreads into Israel. Were it to be subjected to this kind of explosive power, the threat of an earthquake doing significant damage in Israel is a reality. The nuclear bunker busters have far less penetrating power and, I am not saying that this was a nuclear device, not until more evidence is in, but the ‘event profile’ shows striking similarities.

    The other problem with the GBU 57 is delivery. Only two aircraft are capable of delivering this weapon, the B-52 and B-2 Stealth Bomber. Israel does not have these aircraft.
    Israel and Syria sit on a fault line so. So would Israel risk using the GBU 57 if it could possibly cause Earth-quakes for them self's?

    Im away from my comp today, when I get back I need to see Test vids of GBU 57's and the bunker buster nukes in action!

    Anyways nothing good in any of this action what ever the bomb!
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)


    ===

    [ Mod-edit
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    Syria NUKED by Israel? (05/05/2013)

    Published on May 5, 2013


    This happened last night during an Israeli air raid, looks like Israel used a low-grade nuclear bomb aka 'Bunker Buster' to destroy a Syrian military complex in the heart of Damascus. Pretty crazy footage.
    - Paul. ]
    Well if this doen't make the syrians feel save than i dont know what does....

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    Hey folks,

    I believe Gordon is just jumping to conclusions here. It´s not the first time he does that.

    As far as I know, the mushroom shape is a common characteristic to all kinds of powerful enough explosions, and the lightening may be present whenever there is a powerful enough magnetic field as well.

    Also, we have to question the reason; Why would they use a small nuke while there are conventional explosives that would be much more "adequate" and "acceptable" for such kind of situations?

    Looking to a blast and saying that it must have been caused by a nuclear explosion just because it´s mushroom shaped is just too simplistic and misleading.

    Even kids playing with propane can make a small scale mushroom shaped explosion:



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    Default Re: Syria Nuked by Israel?

    IMHO it looks to be a small nuclear explosion. I have two questions.

    1. Is it possible that there was nuclear material stored inside the Syrian facility? Could that material be ignited by a missile strike?

    2. What are the possible explanations for the lightning produced just after the explosion, there seem to be several.

    RM is correct many munitions do produce mushroom clouds still have a problem with the lightning.
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    Quote Posted by RMorgan (here)
    Hey folks,

    I believe Gordon is just jumping to conclusions here. It´s not the first time he does that.

    As far as I know, the mushroom shape is a common characteristic to all kinds of powerful enough explosions, and the lightening may be present whenever there is a powerful enough magnetic field as well.

    Also, we have to question the reason; Why would they use a small nuke while there are conventional explosives that would be much more "adequate" and "acceptable" for such kind of situations?

    Looking to a blast and saying that it must have been caused by a nuclear explosion just because it´s mushroom shaped is just too simplistic and misleading.

    Even kids playing with propane can make a small scale mushroom shaped explosion:



    Raf.
    Just wondering if the reason for using a nuke, if it infact was one, would be if the base was a biological weapons site. If it was blown up with convensional bombs the ' diseases' would be blown all over the area, a nuke would kill everything, would it not?

    Or could they use this as an excuse to use a nuke?
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    Default Re: Syria Nuked by Israel?

    http://imgur.com/gallery/ik5K0q8 Seems relevant.
    Furthermore, Tesseract: there is no ambiguity about Isfrael Nuclear program. There is about as much ambiguity there as with JFk and Monroe.
    Really it should be easy to prove: post radioactivity levels.

    But the details really dont matter. What matters is Israel bombed a country for no reason and is not being held accountable by the international community( as always).
    If you say it does matter because of the implications of radiation, well then we should talk about DU in afghan and Iraq and we will see that it doesnt matter. People dont care. Those poor people in Fallujah

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    Default Re: Syria Nuked by Israel?

    Even now I still don't believe it was a nuke.

    The lightning: The only lightning could have been the low level flashes in my eyes, the higher level balls looked more like air bursts?
    This was a military target, arms store i believe, lots of secondary explosions.
    There was also a research facility? Research for what? Dose anyone know what was going on there?

    I hope it wasn't a nuke, this should not be permitted. I hope no: escalations, retaliations or planed stirring.

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