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    Default US citizens: major strategic move by military: Posse Commitatus is over

    I think this is very important.

    The Posse Comitatus Act has kept the US military off of US soil since 1878. The US military just basically announced that they will do what they want to do.


    http://www.longislandpress.com/2013/...s-into-effect/


    Quote The lines blurred even further Monday as a new dynamic was introduced to the militarization of domestic law enforcement. By making a few subtle changes to a regulation in the U.S. Code titled “Defense Support of Civilian Law Enforcement Agencies” the military has quietly granted itself the ability to police the streets without obtaining prior local or state consent, upending a precedent that has been in place for more than two centuries.
    The most objectionable aspect of the regulatory change is the inclusion of vague language that permits military intervention in the event of “civil disturbances.” According to the rule:
    Federal military commanders have the authority, in extraordinary emergency circumstances where prior authorization by the President is impossible and duly constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation, to engage temporarily in activities that are necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbances.
    Bruce Afran, a civil liberties attorney and constitutional law professor at Rutgers University, calls the rule, “a wanton power grab by the military,” and says, “It’s quite shocking actually because it violates the long-standing presumption that the military is under civilian control.”
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    Default Re: US citizens: major strategic move by military: Posse Commitatus is over

    Dennis,

    Well we knew facism was well under way,this is one off them steps,.........................
    Sorrowfull....

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    Default Re: US citizens: major strategic move by military: Posse Commitatus is over

    There have been plenty of warning signals. Eventually whoever has the most and biggest guns makes the rules. That is usually the military controlled by a corrupt government.

    If one does not have a plan already, one needs to plan how to deal with martial law and roving gangs. There may be things that need to be hidden to avoid theft/confiscation, including food and anything else that provides a little bit of independence from a system well into collapse.

    Trust your intuition.

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    Default Re: US citizens: major strategic move by military: Posse Commitatus is over

    Dennis thanks so much for paying careful attention.

    Our job is to stay calm and centered no matter what happens.

    Maybe we are already the eye of the storm....let us remain so.

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    Default Re: US citizens: major strategic move by military: Posse Commitatus is over

    Wouldn't it be up to congress to grant the military new powers? Or is the article wrong in stating that the military 'granted itself'?

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    Default Re: US citizens: major strategic move by military: Posse Commitatus is over

    Related imo.......

    AP Surveillance: 'Govts taking our rights away, not Al-Qaeda'





    Published on 14 May 2013


    Up to a hundred reporters and editors at the Associated Press have been targeted, in a
    massive US government surveillance operation against the news service. AP is calling
    the monitoring network - created by the Justice Department itself - unprecedented in
    size and scope, and a gross violation of privacy. One consequence of this surveillance
    scandal is that whistleblowers will now think twice, before calling a news desk - that's
    according to investigative journalist and historian, Tony Gosling.


    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...y-not-Al-Qaeda
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    Default Re: US citizens: major strategic move by military: Posse Commitatus is over

    If we connect the following dots:

    • Eisenhower's farewell speech: "beware the military industrial complex"
    • JFK's skull opened up in broad daylight, and if you understand the story from Parkland Hospital back to Washington and the autopsy, the Joint Chiefs of Staff had to be "in on it".. or did they instigate it? (To take out the uppity president that was going to stop the Vietnam "conflict.")
    • The military budget rising every year, year after year... no matter who was elected (Congress or White House)
    • The military has the black-ops gadgets (whatever you believe, from simply technically superior stuff all the way to the most mind blowing stuff involving ETs, back engineered faster than light propulsion, free energy, anti gravity...)
    • 9/11: Who else but the US military could do that on US soil? And shut NORAD down. And to have provided the high-tech "explosives" or "energy weapons" to disintegrate buildings.
    • Military expansion to nearly 1000 US bases worldwide. Forcing the US government lackeys to promote torture and indefinite imprisonment.
    • A military budget literally bigger than the next 10 or 12 nations COMBINED.

    So, when we are all busy following "leads" that point to
    • the Vatican
    • Zionists
    • Illuminati
    • International Bankers
    • Bad ETs
    • Archons

    who is really the only ones that cold pull it all off? Who really did the massive psychological testing to find out how to control the masses with psychological warfare? Who (according to the ex-Air Force whistleblower) is actually doing all of the chemtrailing? Who is never voted out of office, but rather remains in power as the politicians play musical chairs every 2 and 4 years?

    We know there is a hidden hand that controls the US government, and it seems that we have looked in-depth at everyone EXCEPT the US military.

    Ever play the board game, "Clue?" (You know, like "I accuse Mrs. White, in the Ballroom, with the Candlestick!") Well how about:

    I accuse the US military, on planet Earth, with a plethora of weapons from psychological to propaganda to chemical, biological, radioactive and radiological, explosive, sound, laser, energy wave, and the occasional bullet.

    Dennis


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    My guess is the controlling hierarchy is:

    ET's (only the dark team)
    Illuminati
    Banksters
    Government
    Military

    in that order. Of course there will be some overlap.

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    Default Re: US citizens: major strategic move by military: Posse Commitatus is over

    the thing they don't think about is ... drumroll please... 340 million or so in the U.S. they dont have enough bullets to kill us all ... 2 million against 338 million , battle over ...
    Raiding the Matrix One Mind at a Time ...

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    Default Re: US citizens: major strategic move by military: Posse Commitatus is over

    this is making me think that a very large event (disaster level) may be approaching. it would make total sense that they would want to have the power for a boots on the ground movement without waiting for permission if that is the case. although, from the fascist approach of total domination of u.s. soil and citizens having this power is totally necessary simply because they want it. something is up and either way, it can't be good. thanks Dennis, very important information.
    warmest regards, corson

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    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    the thing they don't think about is ... drumroll please... 340 million or so in the U.S. they dont have enough bullets to kill us all ... 2 million against 338 million , battle over ...

    While I agree with you about the numbers, there is a huge difference. The military is the most powerful gang in the world. They have secret gang signals, gang colors, methods of operation and nearly unlimited source of funds. The rest of us sit here waiting for the "right time." If history is any educator on this subject, the "right time" nearly always turns out to be the day after they take all of the weapons.

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    There is a lot of talking. Is there anywhere on the site that also adds solutions to the information? So many people have done such great work but what is the point if there is no where to turn to get solutions or action. ?

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    Default Re: US citizens: major strategic move by military: Posse Commitatus is over

    How about we work on the military one soldier at a time.....Anyone who knows someone in the forces, make them aware
    that they are advocating unconstitutional acts. Share your heart with these people... I was once one of them, we can change,
    we just need some pointers in the right direction....
    parents that have the choice to go against there children joining the army,navy, airforce.....do so with LOVE and CONVICTION

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    Quote Posted by fmkmrf (here)
    There is a lot of talking. Is there anywhere on the site that also adds solutions to the information? So many people have done such great work but what is the point if there is no where to turn to get solutions or action. ?
    Solutions for those who live in the cities may be very limited. Everyone's most valuable resource will be their intuitive guidance.

    Those who live in the country need to prepare for a time of scarcity:
    • Stock up on food and necessities while it is still possible.
    • Have a plan to get clean water. For many people, 3 days without clean water and you are done.
    • While fuel is available, prepare garden beds now.
    • Get non-hybrid seeds, simple garden tools and grow a garden.
    • Learn how to preserve food by dehydration and other methods.
    • Stock up on soap. You cannot afford to gamble with health.
    • Build a small solar electric system for essentials.
    • Get a woodstove and stock up on firewood now.
    • Communities, family groups, neighborhood groups, are very important to discourage those who would harm individuals or steal resources.
    • Maintain a very low profile. That includes any information shared by phone, internet and credit card transaction.
    • Learn how to hide resources outside the home. Not all in the same place.
    • Avoid mainstream news and programming. Whichever way you are being led, go the other way.
    • If you know someone in the military who is receptive to deprogramming, help them realize they are being used to support tyranny, not freedom.
    How long will the hard times last? I don't know. But I am confident that tyranny and corruption will collapse under its own weight and a new cycle will begin.
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    Default Re: US citizens: major strategic move by military: Posse Commitatus is over

    Quote Posted by rmauersr (here)
    Quote Posted by fmkmrf (here)
    There is a lot of talking. Is there anywhere on the site that also adds solutions to the information? So many people have done such great work but what is the point if there is no where to turn to get solutions or action. ?
    Solutions for those who live in the cities may be very limited. Everyone's most valuable resource will be their intuitive guidance.

    Those who live in the country need to prepare for a time of scarcity:
    • Stock up on food and necessities while it is still possible.
    • Have a plan to get clean water. For many people, 3 days without clean water and you are done.
    • While fuel is available, prepare garden beds now.
    • Get non-hybrid seeds, simple garden tools and grow a garden.
    • Learn how to preserve food by dehydration and other methods.
    • Stock up on soap. You cannot afford to gamble with health.
    • Build a small solar electric system for essentials.
    • Get a woodstove and stock up on firewood now.
    • Communities, family groups, neighborhood groups, are very important to discourage those who would harm individuals or steal resources.
    • Maintain a very low profile. That includes any information by phone, internet or credit card transaction.
    • Learn how to hide resources outside the home. Not all in the same place.
    • Avoid mainstream news and programming. Whichever way you are being led, go the other way.
    • If you know someone in the military who is receptive to deprogramming, help them realize they are being used to support tyranny, not freedom.
    How long will the hard times last? I don't know. But I am confident that tyranny and corruption will collapse under its own weight and a new cycle will begin.
    I agree with rmauersr wholeheartedly with his wisdom of weathering the chaos and turmoil for the next several years. For me it is a matter of just staying out of the way until the dust begins to settle a bit.

    I do not agree however that the tyranny and corruption will collapse . . . . I believe strongly that it will look like a very different ‘system’ that will be spun to feel new and wonderful but will be just as, if not more, stifling and entrapping

    But more important than that is what I am doing during this time of ‘staying out of the way’ is studying and projecting where the globalists are taking humanity on a global scale and how I can use this to my advantage.

    It is a matter of using their resources strategically to benefit ones self, family and community.

    Look beyond the chaos and fear they are using to their advantage to herd the population in mass.

    Be pragmatic

    Take yourself out of the world the globalists have built physically and mentally.

    Most of all . . . . Choose definitively how you want to live the rest of your life and for the generations your actions will influence and act on that choice with immediate, short term and long term goals.

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    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    the thing they don't think about is ... drumroll please... 340 million or so in the U.S. they dont have enough bullets to kill us all ... 2 million against 338 million , battle over ...
    They don't want to kill us all. They're doing a damn fine job controlling enough of us.

    This kind of stuff is (legalization of facist controls) like technology, we get to find out about way after it has already been implemented. It's like a kick in the nuts, after the fact.

    Orwell is a prophet.

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    This is very dangerous and opens space for a military coup.

    The thing is, what are the conditions to judge when the president´s authorization is impossible, as stated in the OP? The president could be considered physically, psychologically, morally or even ideologically incapacitated to command military decisions, if they don´t make such conditions very clear.

    I mean, many factors could subjectively and objectively constitute presidential impossibility to make such decisions...They need to make it absolutely clear about the specific situations where such measure would be applicable.

    On the other hand, if we consider the rumors about the serious conflicts of interest between the major powers in the US, assuming that the Pentagon is positioned on the good side of this conflict, such measure could actually be used to bypass tyrannic presidential orders. This is unlikely, but possible.

    However, if the Pentagon does not hold the best intentions towards the American people, which is more likely, since probably there is no "good sides" in such internal conflict, things will most likely turn out really bad for US citizens one way or another.

    Having such an absurdly strong military force in a country is just like having a tiger as a pet...One day, eventually, the tiger will wake up and decide to eat you for lunch.
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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    If we connect the following dots:


    • Eisenhower's farewell speech: "beware the military industrial complex"
    • JFK's skull opened up in broad daylight, and if you understand the story from Parkland Hospital back to Washington and the autopsy, the Joint Chiefs of Staff had to be "in on it".. or did they instigate it? (To take out the uppity president that was going to stop the Vietnam "conflict.")
    • The military budget rising every year, year after year... no matter who was elected (Congress or White House)
    • The military has the black-ops gadgets (whatever you believe, from simply technically superior stuff all the way to the most mind blowing stuff involving ETs, back engineered faster than light propulsion, free energy, anti gravity...)
    • 9/11: Who else but the US military could do that on US soil? And shut NORAD down. And to have provided the high-tech "explosives" or "energy weapons" to disintegrate buildings.
    • Military expansion to nearly 1000 US bases worldwide. Forcing the US government lackeys to promote torture and indefinite imprisonment.
    • A military budget literally bigger than the next 10 or 12 nations COMBINED.


    So, when we are all busy following "leads" that point to

    • the Vatican
    • Zionists
    • Illuminati
    • International Bankers
    • Bad ETs
    • Archons


    who is really the only ones that cold pull it all off? Who really did the massive psychological testing to find out how to control the masses with psychological warfare? Who (according to the ex-Air Force whistleblower) is actually doing all of the chemtrailing? Who is never voted out of office, but rather remains in power as the politicians play musical chairs every 2 and 4 years?

    We know there is a hidden hand that controls the US government, and it seems that we have looked in-depth at everyone EXCEPT the US military.

    Ever play the board game, "Clue?" (You know, like "I accuse Mrs. White, in the Ballroom, with the Candlestick!") Well how about:

    I accuse the US military, on planet Earth, with a plethora of weapons from psychological to propaganda to chemical, biological, radioactive and radiological, explosive, sound, laser, energy wave, and the occasional bullet.

    Dennis
    Quote Posted by rmauersr (here)
    My guess is the controlling hierarchy is:

    ET's (only the dark team)
    Illuminati
    Banksters
    Government
    Military

    in that order. Of course there will be some overlap.
    The reason that I am placing this before us is not to start yet another side path in the rabbit hole labyrinth, but to look at the strong possibility that we have missed what has been in front of our eyes all along, and to ponder the consequences and how it may affect any strategy we have.

    We have numerous reports that the highest ranking elected office in the US does not have access to info about ETs and deep black ops. From the recent "deathbed confession" of the man who spoke with Richard Dolan, we hear that Eisenhower was so pissed off at being deliberately kept out of the loop that he sent two officers to find out what was really going on at Area 51, and was ready to command the First Army to break-in if he had to. Clinton reportedly wanted to know about ETs but was given no info. Obama/Soetoro - whom I believe is probably a longtime CIA asset - may know more than most presidents, because he's an 'insider.'

    We did see Barry try to tell the Generals what to do in Afghanistan and was told he was not running the war, the military was. The military goes through the public relations/onus obfuscation ruse of asking Congress for a budget, though an immense black budget is secret and non-auditable, and Congress simply acquiesces to all of it. What indication do we have that the US federal government actually (not on paper, but in actuality) controls and commands the US military?

    The highest ranking officers in the Military, the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, are career military who have been issuing orders for most of their lives. Orders that are obeyed every single time. Do we really believe that these same guys then turn to the civilian government and say "pretty please, may I?" when they want to do something? Stop and ponder the psychology of the Joint Chiefs of Staff having complete control of the largest and most sophisticated military force in the (written) history of the world, from underground to space, including a "known unknown" black-ops group - and yet having to be subordinate to ANYONE else. It makes no sense.

    The Energy Cabal is extremely powerful (Wade Frazier puts them on top of the heap, even beyond international bankers.) But have we ever heard whispers, leaks, or full whistleblowers that have said the bankers or oil barons or Illuminati or Zionists have control of the secret space program, free energy and anti-gravity technology, underground or undersea bases, or any other deep black-ops? Not that I'm aware of. These are closely guarded MILITARY secrets, housed on military bases, compartmentalized with levels of clearance that only military personnel are given the real "above top secret" clearances.

    I also have a very difficult time envisioning the ultimate control being ETs, no matter how many times I hear it restated. Race(s) of aliens greatly advanced beyond us (admittedly, pretty thick-headed) humans... and yet, their strategies are all so human? {hint, hint} Here to harvest gold or energy when (even crude little old humans) know that elements can be transmuted so they could make all the gold they want, and out of quadrillions of life forms on trillions of planets, the energy harvested from humans is a prize elixir? Ha! (I suspect is is more like soup made from dirty socks and underwear.) Sure makes more sense that the very human-like strategies employed are indeed employed by sociopathic humans. ETs as zoo patrons, observing us? Yes, I can buy that. ETs as zookeepers? Nah.

    The banksters don't want or need us imprisoned and physically controlled - they have a scam whereby they make money on everything we do. Like a tumor in our bodies (each nation being a body), they are content to forever feed off of us. Because governments have bought-into the central banking game, and actually do fear the banking collapse would be social collapse, only an immense effort could rid a nation of central bankers. They are very powerful but it is possible to throw them out - so they are not "all powerful." The banksters have their own paid mercenaries, but could be literally erased, globally, by the US military. Even the US military funding is not really controlled by banksters, unless the banksters stop loaning money to the US government (and that would be central bank suicide, so they won't.) Plus the US military has billions (maybe trillions) in drug money that is not controlled at all by banksters or the US government.

    The pseudo-theological religions and religion affiliated ideologies (Vatican/Catholics and some control over all Christians...with the ideology we might see as "ultra conservative right-wing", and the Zionist/quasi-affiliation with some non-orthodox Jews) certainly want to rule the world and have control over some brainwashing aspects to be able to somewhat herd the masses - and they have agents and agencies that infest and infect the US government, but they just do not have anywhere near the ability to actually control the world that the US military does.

    Answer the question, "Who bows to no one - with no negative consequence?" Imagine a gathering of all of the most powerful individuals and organizations on planet Earth. Imagine that the specific goal of the meeting is to make sure everyone at the meeting knows who is at the top of the pyramid of power. Now, can you imagine the Joint Chiefs of Staff giving a foot rub (keeping this rated "G") to anyone else? I can't.

    The US military just told the US government that a law that has been in effect since 1878 is null and void. They did not ask, they (quietly) declared it. The US military quietly declared that they can - and they will - occupy the streets of the US. I don't think they are going to actually light up a mile-high blinking neon sign that says "FULL MILITARY COUP IN EFFECT" - but yet, they just did if we are smart enough to see it. Boiled frogs if we don't.

    Dennis


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    I agree soooo much with rmauersr. Prepare for scarcity. I'd also like to add that things are moving totally digital. One day not too far in the future, we're all going to have a card that holds all of our resources. It gives ultimate control, because without one you won't be able to buy anything, get medical help, get on a bus, etc. Everything that needs to be done to implement this kind of system is already in place and could be made mandatory with a stroke of a pen. A new kind of martial law. We need to start thinking about what to do in that kind of situation. Barter supplies? raw materials? What kind of service for service can you render? Just a thought.

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    Quote The US military just told the US government that a law that has been in effect since 1878 is null and void. They did not ask, they (quietly) declared it. The US military quietly declared that they can - and they will - occupy the streets of the US. I don't think they are going to actually light up a mile-high blinking neon sign that says "FULL MILITARY COUP IN EFFECT" - but yet, they just did if we are smart enough to see it. Boiled frogs if we don't.
    Yes they did. (declaration) and under the Patriotic Act and elements in Obama’s Health Care Plan has enabled them to ‘legally’ do this.

    We haven’t even begun to see the scope of these two documents.

    Let alone the further acts that will be enacted with the gun control ruse and home grown terrorists ploy.

    My question is . . . .Okay we are not frogs here we see this clearly. What are you doing about it other than tormenting over it? Because I believe if one doesn’t take action on what they see rolling right at them they still will get flattened by it. So I envision lots of flattened boiled frogs.

    Think people . . . it is time . . no way past time to take action. And I don’t mean trying to futilely fight against ‘them’ within their realm and their rules.

    Identify ‘their box’ and let them have it. Create your own box and keep it always open ended so you always have room to maneuver.

    What would your open ended box begin to look like?

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