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    I had a short conversation with my brother last summer, about the MSM idea that the e-meter is used to electroshock people into thinking they are experiencing past lives came up.
    Well, they'd have to be very sensitive.

    I've had my meter for 24 (twenty-four) years, and its first pair of AA batteries lasted 21 (twenty-one) years.

    That's how VERY little current it uses. It's so totally tiny, it would need a highly specialist device to measure it. I don't think you could electroshock a mosquito with it!

    Yes, agreed,I am surprised that it uses AA's, that puts a helpful scale on the subject.


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    I came across this the other day and was intrigued from many perspectives and angles. I don’t know anything about auditing but was curious as to thoughts about the ability for this channeller to now consciously flip instantaneously back and forth with an entity she has been traditionally trance channeling for years. This is still quite an anomaly for her which she explains in the video and then (with a dose of embarrassment) demonstrates this new ability repeatedly. She’s basically gone from dial-up to WIFI.

    The entity channeled is “White Cloud”, who is believed to be part of her soul group. She also channels a Federation of Light group who gave her a [false] predication years ago that destroyed her credibility; but she has continued on and over the years explanations have been given, so she has retained a following. This new skill is only with “White Cloud”.

    I’m curious about this because of the “little girl” story recently mentioned in this thread. So, if this channeller was being audited and she flipped back and forth like she does in the video, what would this mean as far as auditing goes?

    There is an intro and then "usual" channelled info for 16 minutes. Then the explanation and demonstration starts.


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    I’m curious about this because of the “little girl” story recently mentioned in this thread. So, if this channeller was being audited and she flipped back and forth like she does in the video, what would this mean as far as auditing goes?
    [...]
    I may not understand the question correctly so forgive me if I am off the mark with my answer.

    Auditing can get to the bottom of what's going on in actuality with Blossom Goodchild's case in very short order by ruling out the many possible scenarios which could lead to the same apparent result being displayed here and which mostly fall under the category of "possession."

    All that by determining if White Cloud and Blossom are two separate beings or some combinations of a "being" + entity attachment as in some variations of the "Bodies in Pawn" manipulation.

    A being is "auditable," an entity isn't because it's mostly an automaton. It would be like trying to run an auditing session on "Alexa" or some AI.

    Where things can get complicated is when an AI is controlled by a smart "being"... like a doll body is:
    THE ROLE OF THE EARTH
    November 1952

    A 5th Invader Force officer carries a doll. They don't carry bodies, they carry dolls. Their identification is a doll. It's a very little flimsy mechanical affair that you can make talk and walk and so forth: they're cute, they are about 1 metre tall, they're very light - you don't use oxygen in saucers. You have this little doll and the thetan energy that a fellow puts out is quite sufficient to monitor the control switchboard in the back of the doll, that's all. And he tunes it up: He's got his wavelength tuned to it and so on and he can walk it around...

    [hence all these stories of computers going berserk and people fearing computers getting intelligent, etc...]

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    I had a roommate for a while that was in the sea org, and he said that Hubbard mentioned an L group. My friend was saying that these beings
    were a source of a lot of the information that became the technology. The phonetic syllable el, as in elevated, elated, and of course the infamous
    Elohim, has a very interesting role in various languages, and religious ideas. When I looked up L group I ran into a channeling handbook by L/L research, the group that was the source of The Law of One material. So I realize how controversial this is but the persistence of that syllable is pretty interesting stuff.
    I'm shocked at the idea of an "L group" because for a while, I was seeing the letter L everywhere (similar to how people who have pareidolia see faces everywhere). I don't imagine there's a word for people who see L's all over the place though (ha ha). It's a personal thing, but I felt I should contribute that anyway.

    There may also be some meaning with the fictional Kal-El (aka Superman). I mean, his whole family is named El... :/
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    I was thinking of sharing this from many days on Naadi leaf reading thread. But now seeing this thread active again and related to the topic of this thread I am sharing it here instead.

    I asked a question to Maharshi Kagabhujanda/ Kagapujandar infolink, on 23rd Jan 2019.

    QUESTION:
    "In person born on 9th of July 1987 in America, Lafayette Ron Hubbard is reincarnated; who in his previous life invented Scientology. How much will I be helped in my spiritual journey by the works of this person in this life?"

    ANSWER (I guess Naadi reader sent me the recorded answer from his memory not exactly text to text. Because when I asked dictate it to me again over phone he said he forgot in which bundle the answer was written):
    "Brother, you asked about person being reincarnated again. He really came back, he is currently doing some research and telling various things, what he is saying is correct. If you want to get further information you can ask. You can get followup. Means Guruji is telling its True."
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    Quote Posted by kanishk (here)
    I was thinking of sharing this for many days on the Naadi leaf reading thread. But now seeing this thread active again and related to the topic of this thread I am sharing it here instead.

    I asked a question to Maharshi Kagabhujanda/ Kagapujandar infolink, on 23rd Jan 2019.

    QUESTION:
    "In person born on 9th of July 1987 in America, Lafayette Ron Hubbard is reincarnated; who in his previous life invented Scientology. How much will I be helped in my spiritual journey by the works of this person in this life?"

    ANSWER (I guess Naadi reader sent me the recorded answer from his memory not exactly text to text. Because when I asked dictate it to me again over phone he said he forgot in which bundle the answer was written):

    "Brother, you asked about person being reincarnated again. He really came back, he is currently doing some research and telling various things, what he is saying is correct. If you want to get further information you can ask. You can get followup. Means Guruji is telling its True."
    Well, that's interesting. 10-15 years ago, there was a guy in Germany called Andreas Buttler, who created a bit of a stir. He stated clearly that he was the reincarnation of Hubbard, and repackaged the enormous body of work of scientology into one book, which he called Spiritologie (or 'Spiritology', in English). You can read it here:
    I know several highly experienced Free Zone scientologists who were convinced by his story. He had quite a bit of regular auditing, done by someone highly trained and qualified, and we were told by his auditor that all seemed to check out.

    And the Spiritologie book, which condensed everything down into just a relative handful of powerful processes (some of which were confidential), was clearly the work of someone who was extremely aware and inspired — whether one agreed with the principles or not. (And many did not, it has to be said.)

    But he became very controversial. To his credit, he forcefully denounced the Church as it had become under David Miscavige after Hubbard had died. But he was very arrogant and a bit of a showman, and of course some said that was evidence that he WAS Hubbard.

    I personally challenged him at a conference, and had a lengthy standup debate with him from my seat in the audience. He became publicly very angry with me, and it was quite a scene. I kept my cool, but he behaved quite badly in the view of a lot of people there. That was a factor that influenced many who'd not yet formed a definite opinion about him to cease lending him credibility. It was actually quite a tipping point in how he was perceived.

    Buttler and Spiritologie continued, and there were some diehard adherents who swore blind that they had got huge benefit from his new processes. But it didn't end well. One of Buttler's principles at the core of Spiritologie was that we create everything we experience, 100% of it, total responsibility. But he fell on bad times, and became very ill. He was unable to do anything about it, and in the end he publicly retracted everything he had ever said and done. He may be still alive, but he's out of the picture now.

    I don't know for sure when he was born, but when I met him in 2008 he was definitely older than 21. I'd have said he was more like 35-40. In his book, he hints that he was born in 1966, which might need a bit of explaining!

    I once had an e-mail exchange with a colleague of mine in Russia, where Ron's Org is VERY strong and well-established. I told my friend about Buttler claiming to have been Hubbard. "Ah yes," came the reply. "We've got seven of them here."

    I should end this with another anecdote, relayed to me recently by another friend, also highly qualified and trained. He went into a solo session (think of it as remote viewing) to find out whether Hubbard really had returned here, alive in a different body.

    He got the information, that he said was pretty clear and detailed, that this person was currently in Russia, knew that he had been Hubbard, was himself highly trained now, and was keeping a low profile about his identity. That has to be theoretically plausible. (I mean, people do reincarnate!) The last I heard, my friend was intending to check into this some more. All very fascinating stuff.
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    Quote Posted by kanishk (here)
    I was thinking of sharing this for many days on the Naadi leaf reading thread. But now seeing this thread active again and related to the topic of this thread I am sharing it here instead.

    I asked a question to Maharshi Kagabhujanda/ Kagapujandar infolink, on 23rd Jan 2019.

    QUESTION:
    "In person born on 9th of July 1987 in America, Lafayette Ron Hubbard is reincarnated; who in his previous life invented Scientology. How much will I be helped in my spiritual journey by the works of this person in this life?"

    ANSWER (I guess Naadi reader sent me the recorded answer from his memory not exactly text to text. Because when I asked dictate it to me again over phone he said he forgot in which bundle the answer was written):

    "Brother, you asked about person being reincarnated again. He really came back, he is currently doing some research and telling various things, what he is saying is correct. If you want to get further information you can ask. You can get followup. Means Guruji is telling its True."
    Well, that's interesting. 10-15 years ago, there was a guy in Germany called Andreas Buttler, who created a bit of a stir. He stated clearly that he was the reincarnation of Hubbard, and repackaged the enormous body of work of scientology into one book, which he called Spiritologie (or 'Spiritology', in English). You can read it here:


    I know several highly experienced Free Zone scientologists who were convinced by his story. He had quite a bit of regular auditing, done by someone highly trained and qualified, and we were told by his auditor that all seemed to check out.

    And the Spiritologie book, which condensed everything down into just a relative handful of powerful processes (some of which were confidential), was clearly the work of someone who was extremely aware and inspired — whether one agreed with the principles or not. (And many did not, it has to be said.)

    But he became very controversial. To his credit, he forcefully denounced the Church as it had become under David Miscavige after Hubbard had died. But he was very arrogant and a bit of a showman, and of course some said that was evidence that he WAS Hubbard.

    I personally challenged him at a conference, and had a lengthy standup debate with him from my seat in the audience. He became publicly very angry with me, and it was quite a scene. I kept my cool, but he behaved quite badly in the view of a lot of people there, and that was a factor that influenced many who'd not formed a definite opinion about him to cease lending him credibility. It was actually quite a tipping point in how he was perceived.

    Buttler and Spiritologie continued, and there were some diehard adherents who swore blind that they had got huge benefit from his new processes. But it didn't end well. One of Buttler's principles at the core of Spiritologie was that we create everything we experience, 100% of it, total responsibility. But he fell on bad times, and became very ill. He was unable to do anything about it, and in the end he publicly retracted everything he had ever said and done. He may be still alive, but he's out of the picture now.

    I don't know for sure when he was born, but when I met him in 2008 he was definitely older than 21. I'd have said he was more like 35-40. In his book, he hints that he was born in 1966, which might need a bit of explaining!

    I once had an e-mail exchange with a colleague of mine in Russia, where Ron's Org is VERY strong and well-established. I told my friend about Buttler claiming to have been Hubbard. "Ah yes," came the reply. "We've got seven of them here."

    I should end this with another anecdote, relayed to me recently by another friend, also highly qualified and trained. He went into a solo session (think of it as remote viewing) to find out whether Hubbard really had returned here, alive in a different body.

    He got the information, that he said was pretty clear and detailed, that this person was currently in Russia, knew that he had been Hubbard, was himself highly trained now, and was keeping a low profile about his identity. That has to be theoretically plausible. (I mean, people do reincarnate!) The last I heard, my friend was intending to check into this some more. All very fascinating stuff.

    If he is back I certainly hope he has learned from what has happened in the wake of his activities last time.
    The idea that he is laying low appeals to me ,however it is really sad what groups do with public figures.
    I have to be rather suspect of my interest in that one personality, it can be a big distraction from living my life and

    following higher principles.


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    [...]
    I’m curious about this because of the “little girl” story recently mentioned in this thread. So, if this channeller was being audited and she flipped back and forth like she does in the video, what would this mean as far as auditing goes?
    [...]
    I may not understand the question correctly so forgive me if I am off the mark with my answer.

    Auditing can get to the bottom of what's going on in actuality with Blossom Goodchild's case in very short order by ruling out the many possible scenarios which could lead to the same apparent result being displayed here and which mostly fall under the category of "possession."

    All that by determining if White Cloud and Blossom are two separate beings or some combinations of a "being" + entity attachment as in some variations of the "Bodies in Pawn" manipulation.

    A being is "auditable," an entity isn't because it's mostly an automaton. It would be like trying to run an auditing session on "Alexa" or some AI.

    Where things can get complicated is when an AI is controlled by a smart "being"... like a doll body is:
    THE ROLE OF THE EARTH
    November 1952

    A 5th Invader Force officer carries a doll. They don't carry bodies, they carry dolls. Their identification is a doll. It's a very little flimsy mechanical affair that you can make talk and walk and so forth: they're cute, they are about 1 metre tall, they're very light - you don't use oxygen in saucers. You have this little doll and the thetan energy that a fellow puts out is quite sufficient to monitor the control switchboard in the back of the doll, that's all. And he tunes it up: He's got his wavelength tuned to it and so on and he can walk it around...

    [hence all these stories of computers going berserk and people fearing computers getting intelligent, etc...]

    Thanks Herve. Not knowing about auditing I hesitated posting this as I didn’t think it would fit. But I’m glad I did now as I didn’t know about the Greenbaum Speech and that is a great take-away for me.

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    The details are fairly unimportant. The Basics are what are important. The Basics are in the in Axioms of Scientology and Dianetics. The communication formula is a basic also. The Laws of Auditing are important too. Study those with discernment and duplicate and understand.

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    Quote Posted by kanishk (here)
    I was thinking of sharing this for many days on the Naadi leaf reading thread. But now seeing this thread active again and related to the topic of this thread I am sharing it here instead.

    I asked a question to Maharshi Kagabhujanda/ Kagapujandar infolink, on 23rd Jan 2019.

    QUESTION:
    "In person born on 9th of July 1987 in America, Lafayette Ron Hubbard is reincarnated; who in his previous life invented Scientology. How much will I be helped in my spiritual journey by the works of this person in this life?"

    ANSWER (I guess Naadi reader sent me the recorded answer from his memory not exactly text to text. Because when I asked dictate it to me again over phone he said he forgot in which bundle the answer was written):

    "Brother, you asked about person being reincarnated again. He really came back, he is currently doing some research and telling various things, what he is saying is correct. If you want to get further information you can ask. You can get followup. Means Guruji is telling its True."
    Well, that's interesting. 10-15 years ago, there was a guy in Germany called Andreas Buttler, who created a bit of a stir. He stated clearly that he was the reincarnation of Hubbard, and repackaged the enormous body of work of scientology into one book, which he called Spiritologie (or 'Spiritology', in English). You can read it here:


    I know several highly experienced Free Zone scientologists who were convinced by his story. He had quite a bit of regular auditing, done by someone highly trained and qualified, and we were told by his auditor that all seemed to check out.

    And the Spiritologie book, which condensed everything down into just a relative handful of powerful processes (some of which were confidential), was clearly the work of someone who was extremely aware and inspired — whether one agreed with the principles or not. (And many did not, it has to be said.)

    But he became very controversial. To his credit, he forcefully denounced the Church as it had become under David Miscavige after Hubbard had died. But he was very arrogant and a bit of a showman, and of course some said that was evidence that he WAS Hubbard.

    I personally challenged him at a conference, and had a lengthy standup debate with him from my seat in the audience. He became publicly very angry with me, and it was quite a scene. I kept my cool, but he behaved quite badly in the view of a lot of people there. That was a factor that influenced many who'd not yet formed a definite opinion about him to cease lending him credibility. It was actually quite a tipping point in how he was perceived.

    Buttler and Spiritologie continued, and there were some diehard adherents who swore blind that they had got huge benefit from his new processes. But it didn't end well. One of Buttler's principles at the core of Spiritologie was that we create everything we experience, 100% of it, total responsibility. But he fell on bad times, and became very ill. He was unable to do anything about it, and in the end he publicly retracted everything he had ever said and done. He may be still alive, but he's out of the picture now.

    I don't know for sure when he was born, but when I met him in 2008 he was definitely older than 21. I'd have said he was more like 35-40. In his book, he hints that he was born in 1966, which might need a bit of explaining!

    I once had an e-mail exchange with a colleague of mine in Russia, where Ron's Org is VERY strong and well-established. I told my friend about Buttler claiming to have been Hubbard. "Ah yes," came the reply. "We've got seven of them here."

    I should end this with another anecdote, relayed to me recently by another friend, also highly qualified and trained. He went into a solo session (think of it as remote viewing) to find out whether Hubbard really had returned here, alive in a different body.

    He got the information, that he said was pretty clear and detailed, that this person was currently in Russia, knew that he had been Hubbard, was himself highly trained now, and was keeping a low profile about his identity. That has to be theoretically plausible. (I mean, people do reincarnate!) The last I heard, my friend was intending to check into this some more. All very fascinating stuff.

    O, then I will dig deep into it and ask questions again in details so get clarity for myself atleast. And also I dont have the exact text of what was written as answer and exact translation of what Naadi reader actually wrote in Tamil as question; he did not dictated to me, and then he was also not able to find that leaf again. Because sometimes texts fade away too. I can understand one can create a mask on spirit level also.

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    For anyone with interest.

    Here's some examples of what Dianetic procedure can do around the 17:10 mark.



    And here's two videos giving examples of some of the terminology and one of the approaches to tackle these phenomena codified as locks, secondaries and engrams.





    The lock, secondary and engram video gave me further understanding of what to look for.

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