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    Default Re: Q and A about Ron Hubbard, Bill Robertson, Scientology, the Free Zone and Ron's Org

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    Quote Posted by Christine (here)
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    Jiminii said he is the viewpoint of Maitreya - how does one take that?
    I cant' answer that for anyone but myself, and I would say with a grain of salt. If I were able to be face to face with Jim and get to know him much better I maybe could form an opinion. A far as I go is to understand that we can take on the view point of another, I have found myself in such a situation where momentarily I became the other. Other than that I am not sure.
    Perhaps, this can help... Something from Chris Thomas' writings

    "...There is a new 'Meritrea', 'he' is contained within each and every one of us, the soul. We no longer need to look outside of ourselves to find the answers we need for our lives. They are already available, we just have to ask." -- Chris Thomas


    turiya
    When I was taking Gnostic Kabbalah courses the instructors were always admonishing and warning us that when we start making headway into the higher realms with our practice and meditation that we can easily be fooled by our egos... thinking that we "are" some famous figure from the past when we are really just tapping into the Oneness.... and something that really stuck in my mind... that even Masters can be and were often misled by their perceptions.

    Jesus would say in his prayers that he and his disciples and the Father were all One. A lot of people become incredulous at the idea of reincarnation when people start making claims that they were Napoleon, Nostradamus, or Cleopatra. They may have all kinds of memories of those people's lives but the fact of the matter is that everything is recorded in the Akashic Record and we are merely tapping into it. So if jim says he is the viewpoint of Matteya or someone else says they were Jesus Christ, they may very well be right. We are all one and whatever we record in the Book of Life becomes public record for those who can access it.
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    Quote Posted by Prodigal Son (here)
    When I was taking Gnostic Kabbalah courses the instructors were always admonishing and warning us that when we start making headway into the higher realms with our practice and meditation that we can easily be fooled by our egos... thinking that we "are" some famous figure from the past when we are really just tapping into the Oneness.... and something that really stuck in my mind... that even Masters can be and were often misled by their perceptions.

    Jesus would say in his prayers that he and his disciples and the Father were all One. A lot of people become incredulous at the idea of reincarnation when people start making claims that they were Napoleon, Nostradamus, or Cleopatra. They may have all kinds of memories of those people's lives but the fact of the matter is that everything is recorded in the Akashic Record and we are merely tapping into it. So if jim says he is the viewpoint of Matteya or someone else says they were Jesus Christ, they may very well be right. We are all one and whatever we record in the Book of Life becomes public record for those who can access it.
    I have heard that this is precisely why they cut off the hands & head of the Sufi mystic, Mansoor Al-Hallaj...
    Mansoor Al-Hallaj was condemned to hang by the neck for shouting in ecstasy Anal-Haq, Anal-Haq (I am the Truth, I am the Truth). The orthodoxy understood this to mean that he was claiming to be God himself, whereas he had proclaimed in his sublime spiritual ecstasy, simply a total annihilation of himself.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_Haq
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    Default Re: Q and A about Ron Hubbard, Bill Robertson, Scientology, the Free Zone and Ron's Org

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    Perhaps, this can help... Something from Chris Thomas' writings

    "...There is a new 'Meritrea', 'he' is contained within each and every one of us, the soul. We no longer need to look outside of ourselves to find the answers we need for our lives. They are already available, we just have to ask." -- Chris Thomas

    turiya
    I am not the viewpoint of LRH .. and I am not the viewpoint of Siddhartha Gautma Buddha ... though I ran all their pictures through my head. LRH took 3 days .. Siddhartha Gautame took only a minute or so
    we have different memories and different timelines ... but we all come from the same spirit called metteyya ... that I know ...
    ...
    oh sorry ... I didn't read it right .. I thought you said i was a viewpoint of LRH ... .. I read it wrong
    yes I am a viewpoint of metteyya ... but there is about a million star children here too .. they are viewpoints of Metteyya too
    then there is gaia ,.. there might be another million from gaia ... like inelia
    and I don't know the other big spirits that are doing this together

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    Quote Posted by jiminii (here)
    oh sorry ... I didn't read it right ..
    Not a problem, jiminii, I am still trying to successfully work with this forums' format, as well. It was 'my bad'. I misplaced the quotation brackets which led to your confusion on what was being conveyed. ... am getting better with this, though

    cheers - turiya

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    Quote Posted by turiya (here)
    Quote Posted by jiminii (here)
    oh sorry ... I didn't read it right ..
    Not a problem, jiminii, I am still trying to successfully work with this forums' format, as well. It was 'my bad'. I misplaced the quotation brackets which led to your confusion on what was being conveyed. ... am getting better with this, though

    cheers - turiya
    Don't feel bad - I had added some additional mistakes in my earlier efforts to fix up some QUOTE'ing in the above posts.

    Hopefully it's better now.

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    Default Re: Q and A about Ron Hubbard, Bill Robertson, Scientology, the Free Zone and Ron's Org

    Quote Posted by WEAREONE (here)
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    On a more serious note,,any ideas why this topic generates so much anger. Is it fear as yoda once said

    “Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”
    The anger on the anti- side comes from the abuse and bastardization of the institution...it's like the feelings someone would might have at the organization that is Catholicism--and then associating all of Christianity with it, then worse--attributing Jesus teaching to "Catholic"...where people will focus on a few key abuser individuals and associate the whole thing. Problem with scientology though, is L R Hubbard--the founder is often accused of being that key individual. I think Bill is trying to seperate all of that with this thread?

    I'm interested in the passion it generates on the not anti- side...the fans get very defensive (not you Bill you are very level headed. I see intense attachment to the materials and ideas.

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    Quote Posted by Prodigal Son (here)
    When I was taking Gnostic Kabbalah courses the instructors were always admonishing and warning us that when we start making headway into the higher realms with our practice and meditation that we can easily be fooled by our egos... thinking that we "are" some famous figure from the past when we are really just tapping into the Oneness.... and something that really stuck in my mind... that even Masters can be and were often misled by their perceptions.

    Jesus would say in his prayers that he and his disciples and the Father were all One. A lot of people become incredulous at the idea of reincarnation when people start making claims that they were Napoleon, Nostradamus, or Cleopatra. They may have all kinds of memories of those people's lives but the fact of the matter is that everything is recorded in the Akashic Record and we are merely tapping into it. So if jim says he is the viewpoint of Matteya or someone else says they were Jesus Christ, they may very well be right. We are all one and whatever we record in the Book of Life becomes public record for those who can access it.
    Another way of saying this would be: We are part of the refracted soul stream of the first cause, descended into more fractals and more density as more individuation occurred. So the actual physical entity during the earlier point of decension and evolution, WAS a group of us soul sparks who have subsequently refracted into additional souls..

    We will also, according to the collective dream, merge and ascend back into the oneness. The difference is, we will retain our individual consciousness while still being "the one"

    So, when someone says: Oh, I'm the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, what they mean is they are part of that soul stream.
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    Quote Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)
    Am I missing something, or is there a crash course available for middle aged people with short attention spans.

    Just want to add, I mean no disrespect by this at all, as I do believe when done, and done correctly, can be very beneficial. But, OMG, it really seems like a tremendous about of time and energy (and money). Who has all that?
    Dianetics ~IS~ the short course, the Crash Course, the abridged short version. The notes version.

    From reading up to chapter two so far, it appears as if it is intended as a method of getting clear enough to see how clouded you actually are, so you can endeavor to do the rest of it yourself.

    It IS possible to climb out of that sort of hole on one's own, as that Is what I did. According to the short bit I've read so far, I'd be a 'clear'.

    I'd have to finish the whole book to see where it goes, and I will do so. My first inclination is to put a footnote after almost every single paragraph to explain the real meaning of what he is saying, due to the given terms used... 'items' which Ron seems to have altered or come to his own labeling and expression thereof.

    There's nothing wrong with that sort of way of doing things, but one must be careful to not take the bits alternate labelling or different expression and make it the groundwork for further extrapolation, unless some sort of re-centering takes place along the way. If not, things will end up way off course.
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    Default Re: Q and A about Ron Hubbard, Bill Robertson, Scientology, the Free Zone and Ron's Org

    to add..IF Ron has (and appears to have) come up with a shorthand for the old and time honored act of alchemical clearing of the self, then more power to him.

    When delving into Dianetics, the real unaltered dianetics, as stated..from my short reading so far, I'd say it appears to be fine, but to be aware when applying it that it remains a shorthand, a speed reading course. Which can be, and generally is.... immensely beneficial.

    The alchemists, the Buddhists and so on, they came up with their methods, not because they are slow, or foolish, or too rigorous, too cautious or any other connotation. They came up with their methods and ways as it takes time for neural paths to rearrange themselves to a beneficial, or corrected state.

    The benefit with dianetics is that it can reach many people quickly. The danger is that..not being as rigorous in the fundamentals as it might be..that it can be taken off course by nefarious means. Means external to the self.

    Which is why the ever ambitious 'they' don't want you to have it ....and the same 'they' have taken it over and polluted it, bastardized it into a tool for their use. Both within the group that now exists and outside of it, with connection to black programs and the like.
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    Default Re: Q and A about Ron Hubbard, Bill Robertson, Scientology, the Free Zone and Ron's Org

    Thought this might shed some light...


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    Thought this might shed some light...

    Thank you for posting this FineFeather: For those who have watched and listened to ALL of this video here will have a much better understanding of what Jiminii and Bill Ryan is trying to explain. IMHO Although it might be a little hard for some people to understand.

    Yes, hopefully it will shed some light ....

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    Quote Posted by StephenW11UK (here)
    Hello Bill,

    I very much appreciate your sharing with us for whom this is quite new - and years after the Dan Tops interview - something of your deep understanding of how the original scientology works

    To improve some aspect of my life I have often used a method or product recommended by some (hopefully genuine) expert to move beyond it. But it has soon become obvious that it wasn't going to work or perhaps I'd just hear the words: "It'll work for others, but not for you".

    The main theme of the other programme seems to be that, no matter how successful, competent, caring (or whatever) I at first seem to be in some new situation, I'll bugger it all up and prove that I'm just another of the 'sheeple'. As an example, I was allowed to do quite well in my French studies, but not long after I started teaching I had lost control in the classroom and so proved to people (again) that I was a failure in life.

    Despite my having over the last 15-20 years made use of numbers of different therapies and therapists, including a lot of NLP, none of them really worked for me.

    Actually, the only tools to have ever produced lots of pleasant changes in my life are those offered by Pleiadians Plus (Barbara Marciniak), that I've been using for some 18 months. I also still use a couple of techniques from James.

    En passant, it's taken me close on two hours to put together these few sentences.. But I don't give up easily - so a question or two for you, Bill.

    As I too want auditing to "cut through my life junk like a knife through butter", would I be wise in arranging for a more experienced auditor through the Ron's Org at Bristol rather than via the (apparently) new Org at Milton Keynes. I live in central west London (Kensington-NottingHill)? Or is there someone competent in London itself? Or just choose anyone they suggest?

    Sincerely,

    Stephen

    Stephen, thank you so much for your very wonderful post. My apologies to you for being later in reply than I would have wished.

    Yes, there are a couple of auditors closer to London than Bristol, though I don't know them personally at all. One of them, who I'm told is a Ron's Org auditor, is indeed in Milton Keynes.

    I have asked a friend who knows them for the contact details, and I will certainly pass them on. My earlier recommendation of Clive Nicol in Bristol was solely because I know him. I didn't even know the others were there until yesterday!

    My warmest regards to you -- Bill

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    Quote Posted by Azt (here)
    My 5 cents ... I have noticed that the Scientology theme has basically took over the topics here on project avalon ... Perhaps, it is the old divide-conquest tactics being played so we put our efforts on discussing it, I am not saying it is not worth to discuss it but as I learned so far reading all the posts, isn`t there a third party on this subject that want us all loose our focus on other current issues ? Anyway, not judging but just questioning.
    Peace to all.
    I wrote this today as part of a private message to Raf (RMorgan), who lives in Brazil:
    I certainly do not want to make the forum all about Jim (or Hubbard). We have to keep the balance. I'm totally aware of it. As soon as there's another false flag event in the US, or a real missile threat from North Korea, or the dollar suddenly collapses to nothing, or Obama announces he's gay, or a meteor hits the Christ the Redeemer statue in Rio -- then the focus will change again.



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    I consider my self more of a bystander at this forum, I have read for years but I prefer to stay in the background and hardly ever post. I find it very difficult to share idea's openly with people claiming to be the most open minded, and I don't just mean people here, I find this is a common trait among evolved beings everywhere. As they evolve and walk THEIR path, they think that their way is the only way and that is it. I claim this to be the death of intelligence. Once you claim you know or understand, that is a clear indication that you surely do not. That is the only thing I can say for certain. The funny thing is, you will never be called out by people that understand this. You will always be called out by those with a belief system, no matter what the B.S (belief system) is.

    I see a lot of negativity through out many threads here towards this matter, I find it almost comical. People fail to forget that we all have a perspective of the "same thing". How you describe it, honor it, get there, is all going to be personal. Look at the 4 gospels, all saw the same thing yet are completely different. If I asked us all to watch the same movie and to write a paper about it, every single one would be different. We watched the same movie didn't we? And taking it even further, you would know right away readings another paper if they really saw the movie or are just making it up. It might be completely different in how its written, but you would know right away that it was written by someone who watched the movie. Given that you watched the movie also.....

    For all those negative comments, the only thing that has stood out to me this whole time was. This man, L Ron, he watched the movie. It is beyond clear to anyone else who has watched the movie. And it is so close to disciplines that those who are attacking probably embrace and don't even realize! I was absolutely blown away with how much this had in common with Buddhism and the teachings of the Buddha. It was the same concepts and teachings with different words. And I am not talking watered down Buddhism, but from the original teachings.

    The Buddha taught in Pali, it is now a dead language. He taught a method of meditation called Vipassana. In pali the word basically means "as things are". It is the method he used to gain liberation. In this method we do not vocalize or visualize, we observe the body as it is, not as we want it to be. What is amazing about this method is that it does not matter who you are, how much money you were born with, what shape you are in, your age, faith, creed and so. It uses sensation in the body and the breath. This is something we all have. It doesn't matter what your faith is, you can still practice vapassana. You have a body and can feel it.

    The great realization of the Buddha was HOW to break free. He realized that we are stuck here because we form likes and dislikes about experiences. We have aversion and negativity for things we don't like and cling and crave for the positive things. Our soul is an accumulation of these, they are called saṅkhāra's in Pali. We are forming saṅkhāra's with almost every thought at this point, our minds have spiraled out of control and its getting to the point where we are saṅkhāra creating mashines. This makes us denser and denser.

    He gave a way to live and adhere by because if you lived by that way. If would be very easy to maintain a life where you are not creating new saṅkhāra's. If you are creating new saṅkhāra's, then the old ones can not come to the surface to be processed. You have a kagillion just in this life, let alone the accumulation of all your lives saṅkhāra's.

    The bhudda understood the mind and body connection and realized that if you stop creating saṅkhāra's and sat in meditation the old saṅkhāra's will start to come to the surface one by one. If we can sit there and let them arise so they can just pass away, we can process through these and clear them one by one. When we cleared out all of our saṅkhāra's, we were a liberated soul. It can take many life times to process through all of these. Some saṅkhāra's might take a second to process, others might takes years to fully let go of in meditation.

    During vipassana meditations you do not move or change hand positions for the full sitting. I sit for an hour at a time. Once you sit and choose your position, it must be kept fully for the full sitting. At first this seems insane and impossible but this is where the teaching of the Buddha is so special. He taught us that these sensations in the body are not really pain, they are saṅkhāra's rising to the surface. This becomes clear to someone who uses vipassana regularly. At first you think that the sensation in your back or your leg is from how you are sitting. Seems logical. But if you sit and do not move, the sensation will leave and go to another spot completely. If it was because of how you were sitting, why did it change if you didn't move? As you progress these sensations will no longer be just feelings in your body, they will be accompanied by memories and experiences.

    By letting these sensations come to the surface and not react, only experience them, we can let them rise and pass away. Thus processing through our stored database of saṅkhāra's. These might be things we formed many lives ago, or 5 minutes ago when we said "oh i wish I had some pie". Even the bliss in meditation is a trap. If the hour meditation is over and you dont get up because you are in the bliss, you are just creating saṅkhāra's on the positive spectrum. As you are clinging and craving for the experience of bliss. Same for the opposite. If your back is hurting and when the hour meditation ends you jump up as fast as you can, you have adversion and negativity for the experiene. You are creating saṅkhāra's but on the negative end. It is important to be able to experience without attachment.

    To me, what the Buddha taught, what I just explained, is exactly what L ron is saying and teaching but in a slightly different way and terms. Instead of self auditing that is done with vipassana, it is done with a partner in Scientology. This whole experience lately learning about what L ron really taught has opened my eyes. I was completely blown away. Here is a man who I completely blew off and thought was insane, yet teaches a method and discipline that is almost identical to the one I practiced. That I bet a lot who bash Scientology practice and don't even realize they are practicing the same art just taught by two different teachers who had two different perspectives of the same thing. How silly. I was just misinformed. I can see why this method of processing would be effective in a western culture. Each discipline is catering to its audience respectively to give the best results. We always point fingers at things that are different yet fail to realize that at the core, it was actually the same thing. How human of us, where there is one, were bound to divide it right in two.....
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    1. is it possible to do this work without an auditor, or by self auditing. I am assuming no, because it seems very similar to hypnosis, where you are in an altered state of consciousness.
    Yes, but only after a certain stage. This is called 'solo auditing' See my post here (#3 on p.1 of this thread):

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post676227

    Quote 2. When done properly, I am sure it is safe, however it does seem, that there is no going into this type of practice without risk. Am I correct?
    I'd have to say: theoretically, yes. But I've been doing this in the Free Zone for 29 years, and have never run into any 'risk' such as has been experienced by those in the 'Church'. Sometimes a minor mistake can be made by the auditor (like continuing a process for two long, or missing a 'read' in the meter, but Hubbard also developed a whole slew of sophisticated repair protocols and techniques, and slips like this are easily and rapidly addressed and mended completely.

    As one gains in experience as a client, one increasingly works as a team with the auditor. That means that one can immediately say: "Hey, it feels like you may have missed something." In the 'Church', an auditor might tell you to shut up, but in the Free Zone the auditor will immediately stop what he or she is doing and ask you to elaborate on what you think might be awry. In my experience, that teamwork is of great importance. One is not just at the effect of another person's whims. It's a real collaborative effort.

    Quote 3. I found the material very technical (which I realize it is suppose to be), but very difficult to keep my attention on. Am I missing something, or is there a crash course available for middle aged people with short attention spans.
    As Amzer Zo correctly said, you may have skipped over words or terms which were not fully understood. That does tend to put one to sleep! (Really. Try studying quantum physics if you have no idea what the words mean.)

    Quote Just want to add, I mean no disrespect by this at all, as I do believe when done, and done correctly, can be very beneficial. But, OMG, it really seems like a tremendous about of time and energy (and money). Who has all that?
    Yes, it takes time, energy and commitment. But so does Buddhism: ask any lama.

    The thing that puts all this into perspective for me is this:

    How astonishing is it that one can clean up the unfinished business from literally millions of lifetimes or longer -- a benefit which one retains to take forward as an investment into one's next lifetime -- in just a few years? (Whether a 'few' years is 2, 5, 10, or 20 -- may not matter. It's just a click-of-the-fingers moment in all of one's eternal existence as a being.

    * PS (a personal note): see my post above (#112) in response to Stephen about auditors in London.

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    My 5 cents ... I have noticed that the Scientology theme has basically took over the topics here on project avalon ... Perhaps, it is the old divide-conquest tactics being played so we put our efforts on discussing it, I am not saying it is not worth to discuss it but as I learned so far reading all the posts, isn`t there a third party on this subject that want us all loose our focus on other current issues ? Anyway, not judging but just questioning.
    Peace to all.
    I wrote this today as part of a private message to Raf (RMorgan), who lives in Brazil:
    I certainly do not want to make the forum all about Jim (or Hubbard). We have to keep the balance. I'm totally aware of it. As soon as there's another false flag event in the US, or a real missile threat from North Korea, or the dollar suddenly collapses to nothing, or Obama announces he's gay, or a meteor hits the Christ the Redeemer statue in Rio -- then the focus will change again.


    Obama announces he's gay, or a meteor hits the Christ the Redeemer statue in Rio -- then the focus will change again.

    You forgot the mention Last sunday of the 13th month or when chicken give birth a cat options huh? He hehehe

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    Hi Bill,

    I will be honest I am approaching this with extreme caution. I have an open mind and am aware of how easily the baby can be thrown out with the bathwater. I understand the concept of 'clear' and feel that I have been doing a good job of working towards a similar goal. The approach I have taken however is much more organic and does not involve technology (and is not derived from anything related to the teachings of LRH). My teacher is the universe.

    However, that being said I am very aware that there are many roads and do not automatically discount the one promoted by Hubbard. The problem I have however is that when I research Hubbard (the person who one would think would be in the best position to benefit from the effects of the technology)...I find endless evidence that suggest that what he practiced differed very greatly from what he preached. There are family members, and many who worked closely with him who suggest that rather than an archetype of balance and purity, he was instead psychologically disturbed.

    What are your thoughts on this.

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    Yes, Hubbard himself was clearly not a perfect human being. He had extraordinary positive qualities: determination, creativity, brilliant insight, extraordinary perception, energy, inspiration, leadership, organization, even genius. But he was also very stubborn, egotistical, and controlling.

    This is not denied by anyone. The same might be said of most CEOs of major organizations -- which is what the 'Church' became, even before it was taken over.

    Here are some mitigating factors which I invite anyone to consider. In proposing these, my stance is still totally that most great men (and women) are flawed, sometimes in direct proportion to the battle which they feel they're fighting in every moment of their lives.

    We know that Hubbard was attacked in every which way by the authorities from the moment they judged he was a threat. (This is why the therapy was founded as a 'Church' -- for legal protection. Scientology was never a religion.)

    Diana Hubbard, his daughter, stated on record that the first manuscript of her father's 1950 book (which he wrote in six weeks flat), Dianetics, the Modern Science of Mental Health, was stolen by the Russians. And... has anyone reading this ever been affected by psychic attacks? One might speculate on what Hubbard was enduring all those years -- all the time researching how to combat these same phenomena.

    I am a very minor public figure indeed, and yet I've been through the mill backwards, upside down, inside out and sideways. I've been attacked, discredited, smeared, pilloried, misquoted, misrepresented, disappointed, stolen from, irradiated, let down, lied to, and psychically affected in numerous ways, including several times having experienced beings trying to attack me in my dreams and sleep.

    And I'm not the only one, by any means. Sometimes this kinda gets to you (seriously: it really does); and one might forgive someone trying to do a good job which is not in the interests of the ruling elite, who occasionally snaps and does not operate at his or her finest... or (beyond that) might end up making some bad or unwise decisions.

    For these reasons, I look at his work, and that I regard as the real measure of the man.

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    I know you secret admire of LRD Bill, mostly because of the his tech,/tools. It would be a disaster if only you started this subject, luckily Jim showed up.

    I received 220 in patient, 600 out patient mental Institution's statistic for last week in my request.

    -50 people in treatment patients claim they are hearing voices from Andromeda and Zeticuli galaxy 14 of them claiming they are the Mehdi( (Mesaya).

    - 26 of them carry a Gene which provides supernatural power.

    -10 of them in suicidal watch because of the their self exorcism.

    -72 of them tried exorcism on their family member

    -3 of them tried exorcism on random people .

    Interesting part is out patient category :

    32 of them was forensic requested for legal Incompetence 27 of them were found competent which leads them to the judicial system for abusing naive people for financial gain. This is only one week admission you guess the rest.

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    So ..
    • Simon Parkes (who claims he's been abducted countless times) should be in a psych ward.
    • Anyone who tries to help another person who says they're affected by negative entities is insane.
    • Anyone who is driven to attempted suicide should be under psychiatric medication.
    • Supernatural powers do not exist and are a delusion.

    Right?

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    To Tangri (above):

    So ..
    • Simon Parkes (who claims he's been abducted countless times) should be in a psych ward.
    • Anyone who tries to help another person who says they're affected by negative entities is insane.
    • Anyone who is driven to attempted suicide should be under psychiatric medication.
    • Supernatural powers do not exist and are a delusion.

    Right?
    Isn't that number is high for 2,5 million city population (Izmir- Turkey) population.
    for surrender? If they were mistakenly (worths with black opp) taken in, then humanity is in real danger, even doomed we lost almost all rescue team

    your 3rd Q's answer is definitely Yes. First they must be taken an observation(auditing) then medical support.
    Supernatural power might be exist but on the other hand delusion is definitely exist.
    If you want to find about delusion this can help you

    Greyhound killer believed man he beheaded was an alien

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manito...-manitoba.html

    It must be observed for clear distinction , in knowledge,/information pollution by experienced eyes.
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