Does every soul have the same goal?!

[InCiDeR]

Posted by billyji (here)
My own perception is that the ultimate goal is the same for all souls. To journey outward into the darkness and density from the source of our creation and manifest the light of the creator within the density so that the darkness dissipates and the density becomes lighter.

But as little sparks (creators incarnate) from the same fire (creator source) some sparks fall to the ground and die out. some reach the ground and kindle a new fire. some reach the highest heavens. we all have different missions and destiny's depending on our individual journey and intentions. Each souls mission is a reflection of experiences in this life, past lives here on earth and other planets.

There are many choices in how we play the game to reach the goal. The mission for us at this time simply because we are all here at this time. is creating light in the darkness. not by running away from the darkness but by embracing it without judgement, allowing it to transcend through our being, feeling it and allowing it to go with love.

This is how you change darkness into light.

My thoughts but hey i am only one spark in 7 billion.

Thank you billyji, for your interesting thoughts. So, would you say that light finally will become one with no darkness within , without or beyond?

Posted by bruno dante (here)
If we consider the enormity of the soul and it's various manifestations along different locations, timelines and dimensions..we quickly realize that it is in many places at once, including "source" or "God" or whatever we choose to name it. So in this sense I don't believe we have anywhere to go really, as in some ways we are already there. Our goal, I believe, is to simply remember this...to clear ourselves of this spiritual amnesia. This was written in the "Conversations With God" books I like so much and resonated strongly with me. Bill said something similar in an interview somewhere, that there isn't anything to learn per se, and that the goal of the individual is to recognize ( re-cognize) what is already there. I believe this to be true.

I also believe part of the goal, a sizeable part, involves simply having fun here in the physical realms!

Nicely put bruno dante, thank you. I have been considering this possibility as well. In this perspective there are no real “end goal” except the ones we create for ourselves, because we are already “there” no matter what we do or how we do it! However that milestone of re-member (re-cognize) could be considered an “end goal” in itself!

[greybeard]

I posted something relevant here
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post679079

In a way its simple--- which is more important the story or the Truth?
The ego love drama---the story of me---it wants to be an enlightened me/ego.
Then it talks about oneness.
When enlightenment happens it is not a personal event--there is no me left--in fact the me is the illusion --there never was a me.
If you listen to Adyashanti for example he is very clear.
Please dont take my word for this--its very important --investigate deeply.
If I want to know how to play Golf I go to a professional.
If I want to remove the obstacles to enlightenment then I listen to some ONE who is clear on it--
The rest it is just talk, hearsay, and removed from the truth.
Tim who has posted on Avalon is the real deal---reading his thread is enlightening.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post456904

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oPG4MMkkb9U

[InCiDeR]

Posted by greybeard (here)

To qualify my previous post----this is not my opinion but a statement of Truth made by Nasargadatta---Ramana, Adyshanti and every enlightened being that I have studied deeply --- and very quietly by Eckhart Tolle who said "There was never anyone there to do anything to you" Eckhart hints at the illusion of it all---Maya---Samsara..
If you come down a few levels, then we all have the same goal or rather circular route taking us back home, in actuality we were never separate, we never left One.
However "we" are meant to forget what we are in order for the experience the feeling to be real otherwise it would be pointless.

Hope that helps

Chris

So the explanation is that, God knowing everything but being formless and only form can experience, became all of us in His dream.
You are the dreamer of it all --the entirety.

Touché Chris! In that context we all share the same goal, but also the “no goal” ... both in the same time!

Posted by Vitalux (here)

Posted by InCiDeR (here)
Any more thoughts about this?

Myself I can only express my perspective which is totally from only the aspect of my own single universe.
While I was recently in an altered state of consciousness I had this epiphany of insight.

The body, because we breathe and are attached to the five senses, holds us prisoner, for the most part, in this illusion.
Who or what ever was responsible for putting us here in this human form, went to a great deal of forethought to bewilder our intelligence, tricking us into believing, where we are , is the only state of "what is".

In conclusion, I don't think our soul evolves at all from the Human Experience. I tend to favor the hypothesis of Nanci Danison that we come here for the most part to amuse ourselves like a carnival ride.
Therefore, Heaven and Hell are all parts of the carnival ride to help make the carnival experience more amusing. Fear is the glue that holds the illusion all together.

Is it possible to experience without evolving? Or is the Human body evolving while the soul is unchanged? Interesting perspective Vitalux. So this is an everlasting amusement park, I like that idea

However I am not sure this would be true for every soul.

Posted by rmauersr (here)
I suspect that there is no final goal, that we are never done.
This experience is a segment of the never ending journey.
It is always about the journey, our choices and our actions, not the destination.
We all are Prime Creator on a journey of self discovery.

I enjoy your perspective rmauersr, thank you. Even though I believe there will be some that find this view horrifying. They might believe that the suffering they are experiencing now will go on… forever!

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Once again, thank you all for your inputs. I am very pleased and grateful to be in company of such great soul as yours.

At first glance it seems like we not share the same view on what the “end goal” would be. Is this thread therefore “proof” that souls don’t have same goal or that there was no goal to begin with.

Or... is this thread saying that we are all on different levels of understanding what the goal is, but at the end of the day it is same for all of us no matter what?

I will transform myself into a cow for a while and ruminate what have been written.

[Beren]

Think of it as multi point of view scheme.
Even ones who do evil are putting of a value of one soul at the end, because through fire one becomes firmer or better or purer.
When one does evil to others, even perpetrator is burning along with its victims. So once the outer layer who create evil burns out, a divine original spark remains in that soul.
Energy is never lost.

Though it`s not an easy experience suffering evil in any way or form in all existence.

[lookbeyond]

Hi InCiDer,i can only speak for myself.I feel that my end goal would be to "go home" so life for me is an evolving toward this goal.Maybe because we are all at different levels of "development" we behave according to what is "right" for us at that moment in time, which would account for no good/bad- right/wrong and give rise to "dont judge others"as weve probably all walked a similar path sometime previous.

[InCiDeR]

Please bear with me in this thought pattern that follows. Language is simply not enough to express and comprehend what I am trying to reach and explain.

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All is present consciousness, even the memories and the shadows following them. They are interconnected and interdependent. Yin and Yang, darkness nourish light and light nourish darkness. They transform each other and give birth to everything.

When we create light we also create its counterpart, dark. Lit a flash light and see the shadows that follows. That is necessarily so.

It is true with everything that our current awareness will be able to comprehend. In that sense we creating both the “good” and the “evil” and everything surrounding it. I am not able to think about anything without also indirect “thinking” about its counterpart, what is and what is not, they define each other.

If I say: “Imagine a room without an elephant!”

What do you see?

I am not able to imagine what something would be or look like without a counterpart, therefore duality has to be in current state of awareness. Maybe that is why we cannot see what not yet has a defined counterpart, what it is not. Would that explain why some ufos and spirits etc. are invisible to the naked eye? We have no reference point to its counterpart except nothingness…

When we understand nothingness, we will “see” everything.

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When we love we also create hate. If oneness is pure love there must also be pure hate, in other terms, total fragmentation (hell?). What is that and what does that look like? You more fragmented you more “evil”?

Therefore I do not think oneness is love in that way it is understood and comprehended by humans.

Oneness is and total fragmentation is not.

Does that mean that everything can cease to exist for good? Total fragmentation? Further more, does total fragmentation mean that we never existed in the first place? Because there would be no time or space, nothing before, present or after in that state.

So, would a conscious “evil” entity move towards this goal where it will cease to exist as well?

Hmmmm…

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But here I am writing this, so is that proof that oneness exists? And also therefore proof that oneness already “won”? Otherwise I would not exist? Oneness would be the holder of all time and space.

Maybe I found my own answer… oneness is inevitable …otherwise I wouldn’t be here.

Therefore all souls share same goal and “no goal”, otherwise they wouldn’t be here.


… but that would also mean that oneness itself is breaking the rule of free will…

[lookbeyond]

I will need to reread and ponder...

[Beren]

InCiDeR ,

very valuable conversation we here lead, Oneness is all that exist everywhere.
even the term everywhere was created by oneness. We also name it God.

Free will is always a rule unbreakable.
Despite what we may think. There is always a choice but results of choice varies greatly.

One that is evil isn`t evil from their own point of view. But from ours it is. Because its choices were of a kind that disrupts other souls`s experiences or at least tries to steer them according to the first choice that one made.

Others having their own choices in the matter decides to follow them and thus we created duality and battle of light and dark.

Oneness or God is always honoring the free will of every being that exist but we don`t understand this on our level.
And we do have different goals as souls but eventually those goals blend into supreme goal , returning back to God. Even after an eon of time (which btw doesn`t exist where God is) the goals will blend into one. For God (despite how long this took to manifest) since existing out of time and space, it took a nano second from big bang to divine unity again.

Mind-blowing right???

[Energy Alchemist]

May I offer a personal perspective to this question.

I would say yes, we all have the same goal although there are as many paths to this goal as there people to travel them. We start from Source and return to Source and then we do it again. The fact of it is we’re all “serial incarnators.” The infinite possibilities / probabilities are in the “how” we make the journey. This is where Free Will comes in. We’re free to make a mess out of our lives as much as we want for as long as we want until we learn better. Between incarnations we get a pep talk and prepare to try it again. I do a lot of work with clearing those old energies which have held people back for as much as centuries and this doesn’t even talk about what was “done to them.” The Earth isn’t where Mr. Rogers hangs out, but then this is the learning opportunity we have. Not all the kids on the playground play nice.

Experience and Karma go hand and hand in presenting a unique set of conditions for each of us to grow in, not even God knows what we will do until we do it. There are probabilities of what we could do about everything, some are very high but still not certain until the point of decision.

The journey to the goal, Ascension if you wish, is one I use the metaphor of a Scavenger Hunt for. We all have the same list of things to find, it’s only in the “where” we find them and the “order” we find them in which is different. This is a game with no time limit, we can take a million years if we want to.

This is the “local, short term view of what we do.” The bigger picture is far grander than this. The bigger picture is we do this on planet after planet. We’re incarnation specialist and raise the vibration rate of the entire Universe as we keep working.
P.S. What we do here is watched by the whole Universe with great anticipation as we are cheered on.

[Billy]

Posted by InCiDeR (here)

Posted by billyji (here)
My own perception is that the ultimate goal is the same for all souls. To journey outward into the darkness and density from the source of our creation and manifest the light of the creator within the density so that the darkness dissipates and the density becomes lighter.

But as little sparks (creators incarnate) from the same fire (creator source) some sparks fall to the ground and die out. some reach the ground and kindle a new fire. some reach the highest heavens. we all have different missions and destiny's depending on our individual journey and intentions. Each souls mission is a reflection of experiences in this life, past lives here on earth and other planets.

There are many choices in how we play the game to reach the goal. The mission for us at this time simply because we are all here at this time. is creating light in the darkness. not by running away from the darkness but by embracing it without judgement, allowing it to transcend through our being, feeling it and allowing it to go with love.

This is how you change darkness into light.

My thoughts but hey i am only one spark in 7 billion.

Thank you billyji, for your interesting thoughts. So, would you say that light finally will become one with no darkness within , without or beyond?

Hi inCider, I think my opening sentence explains what I mean by darkness. Density and Darkness are both one and the same. The heavier the density the heavier the darkness, Humanity has allowed a heavy weight to manifest upon mother earth and within themselves, I used the word dissipates but not destroy. Meaning for souls to assist in lighting the load of the density, And there will always be more density for souls to explore. At least as long as creation continues to expand.

What is important is the balance between the density and the light. The negative and the positive. This is the key. Darkness within itself is not evil, We just allowed the darkness to become so dense through greed, power, control, lies, selfishness, wars, suffering. The list goes on. Therefore I believe the mission in hand is to lighten the density through acts of love and kindness.

For many years I believed as many others do, That the goal of the soul was to return home to source, But this last decade or so I no longer have that belief within my belief system. I am already home. Source creator never left me, It only appeared that way within the illusion of life on earth.

The desire to return home is a bit like saving up for years for that dream holiday and when the day arrives for you to reach your destination, and when there you get homesick and want to return home. What a waste of years of planning and energy. Instead of enjoying the journey having fun with the new adventure.

I believe In truth, perfection can never be achieved on this physical plane because of the density. But you can achieve perfection within the soul and mind of the individual. The soul, mind and spirit when blended together in balance creates pure energy, Which is pure soul energy. Which is good for us all and Mother earth.

Peace

[InCiDeR]

Posted by Beren (here)
Think of it as multi point of view scheme.
Even ones who do evil are putting of a value of one soul at the end, because through fire one becomes firmer or better or purer.
When one does evil to others, even perpetrator is burning along with its victims. So once the outer layer who create evil burns out, a divine original spark remains in that soul.
Energy is never lost.

Though it`s not an easy experience suffering evil in any way or form in all existence.

I like this picture. It is so easy to put a label on something as evil, then you never remove it, not even when the purity of the soul shines through.

Posted by lookbeyond (here)
Hi InCiDer,i can only speak for myself.I feel that my end goal would be to "go home" so life for me is an evolving toward this goal.Maybe because we are all at different levels of "development" we behave according to what is "right" for us at that moment in time, which would account for no good/bad- right/wrong and give rise to "dont judge others"as weve probably all walked a similar path sometime previous.

Thank you lookbeyond for your input. It is very true indeed that we shall not judge others, in so we are judging ourselves.

Posted by Beren (here)
InCiDeR ,

very valuable conversation we here lead, Oneness is all that exist everywhere.
even the term everywhere was created by oneness. We also name it God.

Free will is always a rule unbreakable.
Despite what we may think. There is always a choice but results of choice varies greatly.

One that is evil isn`t evil from their own point of view. But from ours it is. Because its choices were of a kind that disrupts other souls`s experiences or at least tries to steer them according to the first choice that one made.

Others having their own choices in the matter decides to follow them and thus we created duality and battle of light and dark.

Oneness or God is always honoring the free will of every being that exist but we don`t understand this on our level.
And we do have different goals as souls but eventually those goals blend into supreme goal , returning back to God. Even after an eon of time (which btw doesn`t exist where God is) the goals will blend into one. For God (despite how long this took to manifest) since existing out of time and space, it took a nano second from big bang to divine unity again.

Mind-blowing right???

Hahaha, yes Beren! It is surely mind blowing, but I love every bit of this thread!

What I still have a hard time to wrap my head around though is… if oneness is inevitable, wouldn’t that in itself be against free will? I mean my soul have no choice but to chose oneness. On the other hand, there is just one soul here…. LOL

Posted by Energy Alchemist (here)
My I offer a personal perspective to this question.

I would say yes, we all have the same goal although there are as many paths to this goal as there people to travel them. We start from Source and return to Source and then we do it again. The fact of it is we’re all “serial incarnators.” The infinite possibilities / probabilities are in the “how” we make the journey. This is where Free Will comes in. We’re free to make a mess out of our lives as much as we want for as long as we want until we learn better. Between incarnations we get a pep talk and prepare to try it again. I do a lot of work with clearing those old energies which have held people back for as much as centuries and this doesn’t even talk about what was “done to them.” The Earth isn’t where Mr. Rogers hangs out, but then this is the learning opportunity we have. Not all the kids on the playground play nice.

Experience and Karma go hand and hand in presenting a unique set of conditions for each of us to grow in, not even God knows what we will do until we do it. There are probabilities of what we could do about everything, some are very high but still not certain until the point of decision.

The journey to the goal, Ascension if you wish, is one I use the metaphor of a Scavenger Hunt for. We all have the same list of things to find, it’s only in the “where” we find them and the “order” we find them in which is different. This is a game with no time limit, we can take a million years if we want to.

This is the “local, short term view of what we do.” The bigger picture is far grander than this. The bigger picture is we do this on planet after planet. We’re incarnation specialist and raise the vibration rate of the entire Universe as we keep working.
P.S. What we do here is watched by the whole Universe with great anticipation as we are cheered on.

Energy Alchemist, thank you for putting your "energy" in this thread.
“serial incarnators.”! Brilliant! May I borrow that expression from you? If you don’t mind of course. Interesting point of view that we raise the vibration rate while we cruising the universe(s).

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by InCiDeR (here)

Posted by billyji (here)
My own perception is that the ultimate goal is the same for all souls. To journey outward into the darkness and density from the source of our creation and manifest the light of the creator within the density so that the darkness dissipates and the density becomes lighter.

But as little sparks (creators incarnate) from the same fire (creator source) some sparks fall to the ground and die out. some reach the ground and kindle a new fire. some reach the highest heavens. we all have different missions and destiny's depending on our individual journey and intentions. Each souls mission is a reflection of experiences in this life, past lives here on earth and other planets.

There are many choices in how we play the game to reach the goal. The mission for us at this time simply because we are all here at this time. is creating light in the darkness. not by running away from the darkness but by embracing it without judgement, allowing it to transcend through our being, feeling it and allowing it to go with love.

This is how you change darkness into light.

My thoughts but hey i am only one spark in 7 billion.

Thank you billyji, for your interesting thoughts. So, would you say that light finally will become one with no darkness within , without or beyond?

Billyji, thank you for clarifying. Now I see the image clearly! Hmmmm… yes…darkness within darkness, they key to everything!

Hi inCider, I think my opening sentence explains what I mean by darkness. Density and Darkness are both one and the same. The heavier the density the heavier the darkness, Humanity has allowed a heavy weight to manifest upon mother earth and within themselves, I used the word dissipates but not destroy. Meaning for souls to assist in lighting the load of the density, And there will always be more density for souls to explore. At least as long as creation continues to expand.

What is important is the balance between the density and the light. The negative and the positive. This is the key. Darkness within itself is not evil, We just allowed the darkness to become so dense through greed, power, control, lies, selfishness, wars, suffering. The list goes on. Therefore I believe the mission in hand is to lighten the density through acts of love and kindness.

For many years I believed as many others do, That the goal of the soul was to return home to source, But this last decade or so I no longer have that belief within my belief system. I am already home. Source creator never left me, It only appeared that way within the illusion of life on earth.

The desire to return home is a bit like saving up for years for that dream holiday and when the day arrives for you to reach your destination, and when there you get homesick and want to return home. What a waste of years of planning and energy. Instead of enjoying the journey having fun with the new adventure.

I believe In truth, perfection can never be achieved on this physical plane because of the density. But you can achieve perfection within the soul and mind of the individual. The soul, mind and spirit when blended together in balance creates pure energy, Which is pure soul energy. Which is good for us all and Mother earth.

Peace

Billyji, thank you for clarifying. Now I see the image clearly! Hmmmm… yes…darkness within darkness, they key to everything!

[Energy Alchemist]

We all draw from the same well of knowledge, we just may hold our glass up to the Light in a different direction. If it tickles your fancy to use "serial incarnators" then be my guest.
Namaste

[gardunk]

Not to reflect, but to be
The journeying Light
Simultaneously still
And yet, mirrored in matter.
The center, indeed, does not hold!
All things formed together, fall apart
But only so that they can reform.
Yet, what of the Magnetic stillness
That centers the torus, the Star
It is the eddy of two way Time
Hidden in vortexial quiet
For, as fulcrum
It is not the levered extensions…
And In-form-ation
Is the compression, desirous of return
Dissected as it unfolds
Yet, like frequency
This form is not Energy…
The rods and pistons of Sea
Are not the waves that crash
No more than the silence
And stillness ‘twixt breaths
Are the breathing.
Our hearts are the reference point
The seed octave of our 3d body
And symmetry is more than bilateral
‘Tis the first and last note
Of this song we call Life.