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    Quote Posted by Earth Angel (here)
    about a year ago I was texting my daughter about David Icke and his conspiracy theories regarding the Smart Meters and the new light bulbs.......three weeks after I had sent her that text I was texting her and when I hit send in the middle of my text was a chunk of the previous text about the conspiracies .....stuck right in the middle of my brand new, 3 weeks later text!! I felt like they had taken my texts somehow and were trying to put them back accidentally put them in such a way that they reappeared in my conversation......if it had of been any normal discussion it wouldn't have been so odd....however it happened several times and always chunks of conversation that were conspiracy type messages.
    Hey Earth Angel.
    Has a rabbit in this hole.
    Have you ever tried to simulate sending some text messages to try to identify some kind of pattern in the messages (messages ghosts)?
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    I choose this thread to express how much I appreciate Glenn Greenwald, and I suspect Snowden does also, that's why he picked Greenwald and the Guardian to bring this out to.

    I have been reading Greenwald's blogs since the early 2000's, when he was self publishing on a blog called Unclaimed Territory, later he moved to Salon, and now, The Guardian, where he is front and center on this worldwide disclosure story.

    He covered the Bush abuses of power better than anyone from a legal, US constitutional law standpoint, then the NSA wiretapping scandal and Obama changing his position pre-election and the Congress all granting retroactive immunity to the telecoms for handing the NSA our private data.

    His books and his speeches are thoroughly researched and well presented.

    I believe Snowden was crushed when Obama was no better and perhaps worse than Bush in these areas, and so he acted. I believe he is a Hero, unless or until further info proves otherwise.
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    Another view:

    https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2...nowdens-story/

    NSA leaker: are there serious cracks in Ed Snowden’s story?


    By Jon Rappoport

    June 10, 2013

    www.nomorefakenews.com

    First, I’m not doubting the documents Ed Snowden has brought forward. I’m not doubting the illegal reach of the NSA in spying on Americans and the world.

    But as to how this recent revelation happened, and whether Ed Snowden’s history holds up…I have questions.

    Could Snowden have been given extraordinary access to classified info as part of a larger scheme? Could he be a) an honest man and yet b) a guy who was set up to do what he’s doing now?

    If b) is true, then Snowden fits the bill perfectly. He wants to do what he’s doing. He isn’t lying about that. He means what he says.

    Okay. Let’s look at his history as reported by The Guardian.

    In 2003, at age 19, without a high school diploma, Snowden enlists in the Army. He begins a training program to join the Special Forces. The sequence here is fuzzy. At what point after enlistment can a new soldier start this training program? Does he need to demonstrate some exceptional ability before Special Forces puts him in that program?

    Snowden breaks both legs in a training exercise. He’s discharged from the Army. Is that automatic? How about healing and then resuming Army service? Just asking.

    If he was accepted in the Special Forces training program because he had special computer skills, then why discharge him simply because he broke both legs?

    Circa 2003 (?), Snowden gets a job as a security guard for an NSA facility at the University of Maryland. He specifically wanted to work for NSA? It was just a generic job opening he found out about?

    Also in 2003 (?), Snowden shifts jobs. He’s now in the CIA, in IT. He has no high school diploma. He’s a young computer genius?

    In 2007, Snowden is sent to Geneva. He’s only 23 years old. The CIA gives him diplomatic cover there. He’s put in charge of maintaining computer-network security. Major job. Obviously, he has access to a very wide range of classified documents. Sound a little odd? Again, just asking. He’s just a kid. Maybe he has his GED by now. Otherwise, he still doesn’t have a high school diploma.

    Snowden says that during this period, in Geneva, one of the incidents that really sours him on the CIA is the “turning of a Swiss banker.” One night, CIA guys get a banker drunk, encourage him to drive home, the banker gets busted, the CIA guys help him out, then with that bond formed, they eventually get the banker to reveal deep banking secrets to the Agency.

    Snowden is this naïve? He doesn’t know by now that the CIA does this sort of thing all the time? He’s shocked? He “didn’t sign up for this?”

    In 2009, Snowden leaves the CIA. Why? Presumably because he’s disillusioned. It should noted here that Snowden claimed he could do very heavy damage to the entire US intelligence community in 2008, but decided to wait because he thought Obama, just coming into the presidency, might make good changes.

    After two years with the CIA in Geneva, Snowden really had the capability to take down the whole US intelligence network, or a major chunk of it? He had that much access to classified data?

    Anyway, in 2009, Snowden leaves the CIA and goes to work for a private defense contractor. Apparently, by this time, he knows all about the phony US war in Iraq, and yet he chooses to work for a sector that relentlessly promotes such wars. Go figure.

    This defense contractor (unnamed) assigns him to work at an NSA facility in Japan. Surely, Snowden understands what the NSA is. He knows it’s a key part of the whole military-intelligence network, the network he opposes.

    But he takes the job anyway. Perhaps he’s doing it so he can obtain further access to classified data, in advance of blowing a big whistle. Perhaps.

    Snowden goes on to work for two private defense contractors, Dell and Booze Allen Hamilton. In this latter job, Snowden is again assigned to work at the NSA.

    He’s an outsider, but he claims to have so much sensitive NSA data that he can take down the whole US intelligence network in a single day. Hmm.

    These are red flags. They raise questions. Serious ones.

    If The Guardian, which has such close access to Snowden, wants to explore these questions, they might come up with some interesting answers.

    Again, I’m not doubting that the documents Snowden has brought forward are real. I have to assume they are. I certainly don’t doubt the reach and the power and the criminality of the NSA.

    Although I’m sure someone will write me and say I’m defending the NSA. I’M NOT.

    But if Snowden was maneuvered, in his career, without his knowing it, to arrive at just this point, then we have a whole new story. We have a story about unknown forces who wanted this exposure to occur.

    Who would these forces be? I could make lots of guesses. But they would just be guesses.

    Perhaps all the anomalies in the career of Ed Snowden can be explained with sensible answers. I realize that. But until they are, I put the questions forward. And leave them there.

    Jon Rappoport

    The author of two explosive collections, THE MATRIX REVEALED and EXIT FROM THE MATRIX, Jon was a candidate for a US Congressional seat in the 29th District of California. Nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, he has worked as an investigative reporter for 30 years, writing articles on politics, medicine, and health for CBS Healthwatch, LA Weekly, Spin Magazine, Stern, and other newspapers and magazines in the US and Europe. Jon has delivered lectures and seminars on global politics, health, logic, and creative power to audiences around the world. You can sign up for his free emails at www.nomorefakenews.com
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    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...0EM1CX20130610

    Reuters discontinues "comments" after less then 24 hours LOLOLOLLL!!!!

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    This discussion is now closed. We welcome comments on our articles for a limited period after their publication.


    Actually I was able to view one comment, a relatively positive statement towards Snowden, so even the comment count may not be accurate.
    Reuters, what a bunch of skanks!!! LOLOL
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    Quote Posted by gripreaper (here)
    Wait a minute, I thought it was "anonymous" who dumped a bunch of NSA documents onto the internet, and blew the whole NSA surveillance scandal wide open, and James Bamford who initially wrote about it, or was it Steve Bannerman, or Tom Heneghan...

    Or was it Adrienne Kinne?

    http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=5992572
    Thank you Gripreaper, I almost forgot about her before you mentioned it!

    Here is an interview from dec 2007 with Adrienne:

    Adrienne Kinne IVAW - US spied on Americans "just in case"


    ---

    The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)
    BY JAMES BAMFORD 03.15.12

    Quote (...)The NSA also has the ability to eavesdrop on phone calls directly and in real time. According to Adrienne J. Kinne, who worked both before and after 9/11 as a voice interceptor at the NSA facility in Georgia, in the wake of the World Trade Center attacks “basically all rules were thrown out the window, and they would use any excuse to justify a waiver to spy on Americans.

    ” Even journalists calling home from overseas were included. “A lot of time you could tell they were calling their families,” she says, “incredibly intimate, personal conversations.” Kinne found the act of eavesdropping on innocent fellow citizens personally distressing. “It’s almost like going through and finding somebody’s diary,” she says.(...)
    ---

    Or was it Duncan Campbell that revealed it first?

    Duncan Campbell (born 1952) is a British freelance investigative journalist, author and television producer. Since 1975 he has specialised in the subjects of intelligence and security services, defence, policing, civil liberties and, latterly, computer forensics.

    He was a staff writer at the New Statesman from 1978–91 and Associate Editor (Investigations) from 1988-91. He was prosecuted under the Official Secrets Act in the ABC trial in 1978 and made the controversial series Secret Society for the BBC in 1987 (see Zircon affair).

    In 1988, he revealed the existence of the ECHELON surveillance program.


    Duncan Campbell was the author of "Intelligence Capabilities 2000", and has investigated Echelon's activities for decades. Here is one of his reports:
    Read more

    Quote ..Under the rubric of "information warfare", the sigint agencies also hope to overcome the ever more extensive use of encryption by direct interference with and attacks on targeted computers. These methods remain controversial, but include information stealing viruses, software audio, video, and data bugs, and pre-emptive tampering with software or hardware ("trapdoors")...
    Read more

    ---


    So why all the buzz now? This haven't really been a secret for last decades...
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    A few interesting quotes I've gathered this morning from various news publications:

    Quote William J. Santoro writes: This wholesale data mining is dangerous to a democracy that depends on the protection of free speech. Whistle-blowing sources will fear talking to journalists when they know the National Security Agency can see who journalists are talking to. Political activists will fear being targeted, deterring many from speaking out. The ensuing silence will be deafening.
    http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/l...z8H/story.html


    Quote Americans, I expect, will be divided on the issue as well. Those who prefer security will support the NSA’s efforts. Those fearful of government overreach will not.
    But no matter which side of the equation you’re on, Snowden’s actions are justified, and for a quite different reason. The real problem with the NSA program may not be what it was doing, but that none of us knew. Secrecy is the death of democracy. Without information, without knowing, there can be no opportunity for debate, no oversight by the people.
    http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2...NtK/story.html

    Quote Snowden’s case highlights the difficulty, if not impossibility, of debating U.S. national security policy in this age of ubiquitous technology: How do you build informed public consent for surveillance when the only people who know about those programs can’t talk about them? And without the public’s consent, how can those programs be legitimate in a democratic society?
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...-citizen-.html


    Quote The journalist who exposed classified U.S. surveillance programs leaked by an American defense contractor said Tuesday that there will be more `significant revelations' to come from the documents.
    "We are going to have a lot more significant revelations that have not yet been heard over the next several weeks and months," said Glenn Greenwald of The Guardian.
    http://seattletimes.com/html/nationw...ournalist.html

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    I look forward to more 'significant revelations' , as I have been surprised at how much effect on world-wide discourse the current ones have had, given that the purpose and existence of these type of activities has been easily presumed for a while now.
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    Quote Posted by InCiDeR (here)
    Quote Posted by gripreaper (here)
    Wait a minute, I thought it was "anonymous" who dumped a bunch of NSA documents onto the internet, and blew the whole NSA surveillance scandal wide open, and James Bamford who initially wrote about it, or was it Steve Bannerman, or Tom Heneghan...

    Or was it Adrienne Kinne?

    http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=5992572
    Thank you Gripreaper, I almost forgot about her before you mentioned it!

    Here is an interview from dec 2007 with Adrienne:

    Adrienne Kinne IVAW - US spied on Americans "just in case"


    ---

    The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)
    BY JAMES BAMFORD 03.15.12

    Quote (...)The NSA also has the ability to eavesdrop on phone calls directly and in real time. According to Adrienne J. Kinne, who worked both before and after 9/11 as a voice interceptor at the NSA facility in Georgia, in the wake of the World Trade Center attacks “basically all rules were thrown out the window, and they would use any excuse to justify a waiver to spy on Americans.

    ” Even journalists calling home from overseas were included. “A lot of time you could tell they were calling their families,” she says, “incredibly intimate, personal conversations.” Kinne found the act of eavesdropping on innocent fellow citizens personally distressing. “It’s almost like going through and finding somebody’s diary,” she says.(...)
    ---

    Or was it Duncan Campbell that revealed it first?

    Duncan Campbell (born 1952) is a British freelance investigative journalist, author and television producer. Since 1975 he has specialised in the subjects of intelligence and security services, defence, policing, civil liberties and, latterly, computer forensics.

    He was a staff writer at the New Statesman from 1978–91 and Associate Editor (Investigations) from 1988-91. He was prosecuted under the Official Secrets Act in the ABC trial in 1978 and made the controversial series Secret Society for the BBC in 1987 (see Zircon affair).

    In 1988, he revealed the existence of the ECHELON surveillance program.


    Duncan Campbell was the author of "Intelligence Capabilities 2000", and has investigated Echelon's activities for decades. Here is one of his reports:
    Read more

    Quote ..Under the rubric of "information warfare", the sigint agencies also hope to overcome the ever more extensive use of encryption by direct interference with and attacks on targeted computers. These methods remain controversial, but include information stealing viruses, software audio, video, and data bugs, and pre-emptive tampering with software or hardware ("trapdoors")...
    Read more

    ---


    So why all the buzz now? This haven't really been a secret for last decades...
    The buzz about Snowden is that he has provided concrete evidence and has revealed who he is, so this evidence can be verified.
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    Quote Quote Posted by Earth Angel (here)
    about a year ago I was texting my daughter about David Icke and his conspiracy theories regarding the Smart Meters and the new light bulbs.......three weeks after I had sent her that text I was texting her and when I hit send in the middle of my text was a chunk of the previous text about the conspiracies .....stuck right in the middle of my brand new, 3 weeks later text!! I felt like they had taken my texts somehow and were trying to put them back accidentally put them in such a way that they reappeared in my conversation......if it had of been any normal discussion it wouldn't have been so odd....however it happened several times and always chunks of conversation that were conspiracy type messages.

    Quote Hey Earth Angel.
    Has a rabbit in this hole.
    Have you ever tried to simulate sending some text messages to try to identify some kind of pattern in the messages (messages ghosts)?


    no I haven't as it was very random......happened weeks after the initial text was sent and in a week or two a couple of times.....but not since then....I talk about conspiracy theories via text with my daughter all the time.
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    Judge Andrew Napolitano On Edward Snowden yesterday. I love the Judge.


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    Sources for Technical Details of MAIN CORE, PRISM, ECHELON Software

    Here are some sources which you may use to begin to identify and to understand the capabilities of the three software programs listed above.

    MAIN CORE is a database, started in the 1980s, that contains the names of at least 8 million Americans who will be subject to detention during martial law. Source is http://www.activistpost.com/2013/06/...americans.html

    PRISM and ECHELON capabilities are described here.
    http://unhandled.com/2013/06/07/a-ta...possibilities/
    and here
    http://erratasec.blogspot.com/2013/0...l#.UbdCuZwllOy
    In addition this source provides a link to ALTIVORE software that you can download, compile and run on your computer. Direct link is http://downloads.securityfocus.com/tools/altivore.c
    Note the following comment from the ALTIVORE source code. “This is a sample program containing some of the features of the features of the FBI's "Carnivore" program. It is intended to serve as a point of discussion about Carnivore features. It has not been thoroughly tested and contains numerous bugs.”

    A company named Palantir Technologies has denied its Prism software is related to the NSA's controversial and massive PRISM web surveillance system. Source is http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06...sm_spy_system/

    Finally, the full court ruling that requires Verizon to provide customers’ data can be found here http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/inte...ta-court-order
    Note that this court order expires on 19th July 2013 (see page 3 of 4).

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    Quote Posted by sdv (here)
    Quote Posted by InCiDeR (here)
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    So why all the buzz now? This haven't really been a secret for last decades...
    The buzz about Snowden is that he has provided concrete evidence and has revealed who he is, so this evidence can be verified.
    So you mean that Adrienne and Duncan didn't provide concrete evidence and revealed who they were and their evidence can't be verified?! The only difference I see so far is that Snowdens story hit MSM big time, and that might make me more suspicious than I should be. I am still curious about the whole scenario that is playing out right now. But I guess only time can tell if my suspicious view holds any elements of truth.
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    Here is the latest from Jon Rappoport on Edward Snowden (following the previous article quoted above). I think he may be onto something. I'll just quote a few paragraphs, here's the link:

    https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2...le-in-the-nsa/

    "Ed Snowden, NSA leaker. Honest man. Doing what was right. Bravo.

    That still doesn’t preclude the possibility that, unknown to him, he was managed by people to put him the right place to expose NSA secrets.

    Snowden’s exposure of NSA was a righteous act, because that agency is a RICO criminal. But that doesn’t mean we have the whole story.

    How many people work in classified jobs for the NSA? And here is one man, Snowden, who is working for Booz Allen, an outside contractor, but is assigned to NSA, and he can get access to, and copy, documents that expose the spying collaboration between NSA and the biggest tech companies in the world—and he can get away with it.

    If so, then NSA is a sieve leaking out of all holes. Because that means a whole lot of other, higher NSA employees can likewise steal these documents. Many, many other people can copy them and take them. Poof.

    If the NSA is not a sieve, it’s quite correct to suspect Snowden, a relatively low-level man, was guided and helped.

    Does that diminish what Snowden accomplished? No. But it casts it in a different light."

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    Quote Posted by InCiDeR (here)
    Quote Posted by sdv (here)
    Quote Posted by InCiDeR (here)
    (...)

    So why all the buzz now? This haven't really been a secret for last decades...
    The buzz about Snowden is that he has provided concrete evidence and has revealed who he is, so this evidence can be verified.
    So you mean that Adrienne and Duncan didn't provide concrete evidence and revealed who they were and their evidence can't be verified?! The only difference I see so far is that Snowdens story hit MSM big time, and that might make me more suspicious than I should be. I am still curious about the whole scenario that is playing out right now. But I guess only time can tell if my suspicious view holds any elements of truth.
    What I am finding interesting as the story plays out is that Snowden has gone to ground so MSM has no new news to recycle. Why then are they not interviewing people like Adrienne and Duncan, and all the other people who said this was happening but did not supply proof (either because they did not have it or were protecting themselves from prosecution)? I think this is the time to bring all those witnesses together and really try and change the viewpoint of the majority (scary how many people in US and UK are happy to have this surveillance continue to 'keep them safe')
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    I just saw this:

    Quote ACLU sues government officials over NSA surveillance program

    Published June 11, 2013

    FoxNews.com

    The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has filed a challenge to the constitutionality of the National Security Agency’s telephone surveillance program, arguing the program violates First Amendment rights of free speech and association, as well as the right of privacy protected by the Fourth Amendment.

    The complaint, filed Tuesday by the ACLU and the New York Civil Liberties Union (NYCLU), also claims that the program exceeds the authority that is provided by the Patriot Act.

    "This dragnet program is surely one of the largest surveillance efforts ever launched by a democratic government against its own citizens," said Jameel Jaffer, ACLU deputy legal director, in a statement issued Tuesday. "It is the equivalent of requiring every American to file a daily report with the government of every location they visited, every person they talked to on the phone, the time of each call, and the length of every conversation. The program goes far beyond even the permissive limits set by the Patriot Act and represents a gross infringement of the freedom of association and the right to privacy."

    The suit names James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, and the leaders of the Defense Department, the National Security Agency, the FBI and the Department of Justice.

    "There needs to be a bright line on where intelligence gathering stops," said NYCLU executive director Donna Lieberman. "If we don't say this is too far, when is too far?"
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...lance-program/

    And this:

    Quote Post 9-11 terror fighting legislation under attack

    Published June 12, 2013

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    In the dozen years that have passed since the Sept. 11 terror attacks, Congress has enacted a series of laws aimed at keeping the country safe. But today, the same measures and mandates that were once put in place for the country’s protection have come under attack.

    Hardest hit: the Patriot Act.

    On Tuesday, its author, Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner, R-Wisc., said he supports a bipartisan push to amend the legislation and came out strongly against the Obama administration, which he accuses of manipulating the measure to cover questionable moves recently made by the National Security Agency.

    Sensenbrenner says the Patriot Act was written in 2001 to give the president the authority to investigate and prevent terrorist activity. What he says it wasn’t intended for is spying on the phone and Internet records of Americans.

    When first written, the Patriot Act significantly loosened restrictions on how law enforcement agencies could gather information, expanded the Treasury’s authority to regulate financial transactions involving foreign individuals and entities and broadened the discretion of law enforcement and immigration authorities in detaining and deporting immigrants suspected of terrorism-related offenses.

    The Act also widened the definition of terrorism to include cases of domestic or home-grown terrorism. Critics say that using the Patriot Act has been a way for the administration to rubber stamp spying on its citizens and that the safety checks put in place to prevent abuse have gone unchecked for years.

    In 2011, Congress reauthorized the Patriot Act. It did the same for the FISA Amendments Act in December 2012. Both acts allowed the government to continue its extraordinary power more than a decade after the laws were first passed to hunt down those responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks.

    In its annual report to Congress, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court said it had gotten 1,789 applications for electronic surveillance. Of those, one application was withdrawn, 40 were approved with edits and the others – all 1,748 of them - were quickly green-lighted.

    On Monday, the American Civil Liberties Union filed a motion to the FISC asking for the release of secret court opinions on section 215 of the Patriot Act which authorizes the collection of phone records.

    On Tuesday, the ACLU went a step further when it filed a lawsuit against the Obama administration charging that its “dragnet” collection of phone calls exposed by a NSA contractor is illegal. The lawsuits asks that the records be purged and that the government be forced to stop the program.

    On Capitol Hill, lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have been lining up for months trying to rein in the government’s power grab.

    On the House side, Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., introduced legislation Tuesday that would repeal the broad authority for the use of military force in the war on terror.

    The law, known as the Authorization for the Use of Military Force, is a joint resolution that Congress passed on Sept. 14, 2001, authorizing the use of the U.S. Armed Forces against those responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

    The resolution gives the president the authority to use all “necessary and appropriate force” against those whom he determined “planned, authorized, committed or aided" the attacks or those who harbored them. President George W. Bush signed the law on Sept. 18, 2001.

    Schiff, a member of the House Intelligence committee, wants Congress to repeal the law by the end of 2014 – the time U.S. combat forces are expected to leave Afghanistan.

    In March, Florida Rep. Trey Radel introduced a measure that would prohibit the president from using lethal military force against an American citizen located in the U.S.

    Around the same time, Rep. Edward Markey introduced the Drone Aircraft Privacy and Transparency Act of 2013, which prohibits many domestic uses of drones.

    The topic was also on the mind of Texas Sen. Ted Cruz who introduced legislation that would prohibit the use of drones to kill U.S. citizens living inside the country.

    In May, Maine Sen. Angus King Jr., introduced the Targeted Strike Oversight Reform Act of 2013. The act would require an independent analysis of the consideration of the use of targeted lethal force against a particular U.S. person knowingly engaged in acts of international terrorism against the U.S.

    Despite the congressional push to reign in the programs, there are some who maintain they are important to keep the country safe and must be kept in place.

    Among the most outspoken has been South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham who told Fox News that he supported the mass collection of phone records collected by the NSA.

    “I'm glad the NSA is trying to find out what terrorists are up to, overseas and inside the country,” Graham said.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...-under-attack/

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    Wow... this guy has a message...

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    So why all the buzz now? This haven't really been a secret for last decades...
    The buzz about Snowden is that he has provided concrete evidence and has revealed who he is, so this evidence can be verified.
    So you mean that Adrienne and Duncan didn't provide concrete evidence and revealed who they were and their evidence can't be verified?! The only difference I see so far is that Snowdens story hit MSM big time, and that might make me more suspicious than I should be. I am still curious about the whole scenario that is playing out right now. But I guess only time can tell if my suspicious view holds any elements of truth.
    What I am finding interesting as the story plays out is that Snowden has gone to ground so MSM has no new news to recycle. Why then are they not interviewing people like Adrienne and Duncan, and all the other people who said this was happening but did not supply proof (either because they did not have it or were protecting themselves from prosecution)? I think this is the time to bring all those witnesses together and really try and change the viewpoint of the majority (scary how many people in US and UK are happy to have this surveillance continue to 'keep them safe')
    Oh, yes... they provided proof, especially Duncan. Adrienne J. Kinne was a formed NSA analyst so she as well have credentials. That is why I am a bit suspicious about the reasons behind this sudden coverage in MSM. Nothing of this caliber is ever displayed in MSM without a hidden agenda. layers within layers. I just wonder what those are! I am afraid they make us look on the wrong hand in this magic trick.

    I as you hope they bring all the witnesses together, that would give even more strenght to the case and maybe even open up some more eyes to what is happening!
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    As Johan Cruijff (a legendary soccer player) uses to say:" Every disadvantage has its advantage"

    Sales of '1984' spike amid NSA spying scandal

    Quote The revelations about government surveillance have introduced a new generation of readers to Nineteen Eighty-Four, as sales of George Orwell's dystopian classic soar.

    Sales of the "centennial edition" on Amazon.com had skyrocketed more than 5,800% as of Tuesday night. The novel that introduced the world to the all-seeing, all-knowing "Big Brother" had climbed from No. 7,397 to No. 125 on Amazon's best-seller list, the fifth-best performance.

    Sales of the "Signet Classics" edition had risen 287% -- moving from 810 to 209 and rounding out the top 20.

    Barnes & Nobles has also seen a "significant spike in sales" of the book, which is a perennial top seller, a company executive told Bloomberg.

    The book was published 64 years ago Saturday.

    A book buyer for the Strand Book Store in New York reported a 50% increase in sales (from an average of about 12 copies a week). In addition to the reports of snooping by U.S. intelligence services, he said interest may also be driven by the novel's inclusion on schools' summer reading lists.

    Several 1984 newbies on Amazon opined, "This should be required reading in high school." (News flash: "Back in the day" it was ...)

    The New Yorker magazine asks the big question, "So Are We Living in 1984?"

    [W]hat will all the new readers and rereaders of Orwell's classic find when their copy arrives? Is Obama Big Brother, at once omnipresent and opaque? And are we doomed to either submit to the safety of unthinking orthodoxy or endure re-education and face what horrors lie within the dreaded Room 101?

    In an interview about his leaks to the Guardian newspaper, former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden "could be channelling the novel's narrator" - Winston Smith, who works in the Ministry of Truth - "or at least delivering a spirited synopsis of the book," the New Yorker writer says.

    Despite its rapid rise, however, the novel is eating the sales dust from other offerings, including Bill O'Reilly's look at the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, a doctor's promotion of stem cell nutrition and an account of a 2006 coal mine explosion in Mexico.
    awareness about what's going on is rising

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    Quote "American citizens hoping to change the way the NSA monitors their everyday activities have little hope of recourse, longtime agency veteran Bill Binney told RT. He said the way the Patriot Act is interpreted is the a big first step toward totalitarianism."
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    First lawsuit against the NSA. Filed by parents of Navy Seal who was shot down in Afghanistan.

    http://news.yahoo.com/parents-navy-s...164807941.html

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