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    Default Re: Cannabis prohibition estimated to cost NZ taxpayers $500m

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    Cannabis prohibition estimated to cost NZ taxpayers $500m
    Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party (ALCP), Fuseworks May 16, 2013, 11:38 am

    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-sto...axpayers-500m/

    Maintaining cannabis prohibition in New Zealand is estimated to cost the taxpayer $500 million annually. Add to that the tax revenue which could be generated from licensed cannabis distributors and producers and it is clear that ALCP policy would easily add over $1 billion to the government's operational budget each year, benefiting all New Zealanders.

    Already, jurisdictions in The Netherlands, Spain, Portugal and Colorado State are regulating cannabis, allowing locals and foreigners to buy or possess small amounts of the product. They have managed to establish the industry, despite the United Nations Single Convention on Narcotics.

    Not only would a regulated marketplace for cannabis generate revenue for government, it would do so at the same time as drastically cutting government spending. Regulation of cannabis would also allow small business owners to earn a decent income and provide employment opportunities for numerous staff members.

    Medical research has comprehensively shown that cannabis is safe and has therapeutic benefits for hundreds of medical conditions. Medical Marijuana producers could establish a significant presence in New Zealand reducing the cost of importing cannabis medicines like Sativex (http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/RIss/Sativex.asp). Cannabinoids have been described as the "wonder-drug of the 21st century" by the Harvard Medical School. Allowing cannabis medicines to be produced in New Zealand would reduce Pharmac's expenditure, freeing up funds to subsidise specialised drugs for more specific treatments.

    In 1938, the Hemp Industry was the first agricultural crop to be valued in the billions of dollars. The same year prohibition of hemp lead to the rise of synthetic and petro-chemical products, at huge cost to the environment. Returning to hemp products, which have over 20,000 known uses, would reverse the tide of environmental degradation, deforestation and pesticide use.

    Entire houses can be constructed from hemp-crete, hemp fibre boards and hemp plastics. Hemp houses are naturally warm, dry and healthy to live in. New Zealand;s housing shortage could easily be addressed by building homes out of affordable hemp materials. Fuels made from hemp can generate electricity and power our motor vehicles, while maintaining a neutral carbon footprint.

    Hemp farming should be promoted in New Zealand, to create employment and train young people in establishing successful, environmentally sustainable businesses. Hemp products have a huge export market especially in the United States when its production is currently illegal. New Zealand farmers should apply to the Ministry of Health for a Hemp Licence. (http://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/r...ndustrial-hemp)

    Regulating cannabis would take the market away from gangs and make it harder for youth to access, while allowing adults to make free choices about their cannabis use. Medical marijuana will reduce cancer rates and help treat many illnesses. Hemp Food nutrition will improve health and prevent disease. Hemp will be used for fuels, construction and manufacturing bio-plastics, insulating New Zealand's economy from international fluctuation in the price of oil.

    ALCP are not a party that only cares about one issue, as outlined above, we believe our policy will have positive impacts across a wide range of government sectors. Our policy would have a range of social, economic and environmental benefits across society. ALCP support personal responsibility, civil liberties and true justice. Our policy endorses Common Law and the Treaty of Waitangi and seeks a proper and just balance between the power of the state and the rights and dignity of the individual.

    It is impossible to estimate how valuable the hemp industry will become for our economy but it is clear that ALCP policy will deliver billions of dollars in revenue to the taxpayer, reduce crime and access to hard drugs while providing employment and skills training. The overall value of the Cannabis, Industrial Hemp and Medical Marijuana industries would total in the tens of billions of dollars annually, with no limit to growth in the industry. Unlike traditional resources, hemp is renewable and carbon neutral allowing economic growth and environmental sustainability to occur simultaneously.
    Big pharma can't have our health being helped, hurts their business.
    But you are absolutely right, this should be promoted in all countries. I believe it is beginning to catch on though. Each year a few more American states are legalizing, medical and recreational uses. Its a start.

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    Default Re: Cannabis prohibition estimated to cost NZ taxpayers $500m

    the government will poo poo anything you can do on your own and make money easily ...big pharma can sell side effect death pills, but the little guy and a weed ??? go to jail ...shouldn't it be the other way around, the little guy supported and big pharma in jail ??? Anyone can grow it and sell it, ehummm economic freedom... no need for a government to tell you what to do ...budwieser and big pharma out of business , just go see Joey and bring ten bucks ... lol ...I don't use it, but have no problem with those who want to grow or sell or use it, it comes out of earth, with sunlight and water, it can't be any worse than gentically altered food ...
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    Default Re: Cannabis prohibition estimated to cost NZ taxpayers $500m

    In NZ they legalized Sativex in 2010. However at 300.00 for a spray cannister is too steep for most people, could last a week or a month and no one has apparently applied to have Pharmac subisidize it....

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/we...abis-legalised

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    Default Link between marijuana laws and violent crime

    The link between the criminalization of marijuana and violent crime is clearly evident in this report from Infowars. In the Netherlands, new tighter marijuanna laws has caused the selling of drugs on the street, with its attendant escalation in violence and availability of harder drugs.

    http://www.infowars.com/holland-crim...r-the-streets/

    Members of local government in Holland decided to implement stricter marijuana laws which then gave more power to violent street dealers that began to take over the market. When the governments realized this was happening, they eased up on some of the laws again. When the coffee shops were allowed to sell cannabis to tourists again, members of these gangs threatened coffee shop owners because their business was being taken away from them, This video shows footage of one of the street dealers threatening a coffeshop owner and the experience of the person who was filming the confrontation.
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    Default Re: Link between marijuana laws and violent crime

    I should start thanking God for at least giving the Dutch some common sense. They are among the only ones telling truth about MJ in any capacity.

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    Default Re: Link between marijuana laws and violent crime

    Each person is responsible of what they do with their lives and prohibiting friendly drugs will cause more problems to everyone involved and will waste police time.

    Real and honest businesses will make $$$ and pay taxes and of course we will not have dodgy dealers on the streets.
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    I hope mmj can rescue the Wa state budget, lol -- nothing else is working

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    Default Re: Link between marijuana laws and violent crime

    Violent crime in North America especially is all about illegal drugs - their manufacture, distribution and sales, and the laws that back their enforcement. It is big business. Very big business. So big that governments themselves are involved in the profits, if not some of the other aspects of its avalability. The jails are full to capacity and the majority of inmates are there serving drug-related sentences. That is also big business.

    And whatever happened to the criminal syndicates that were all over the news in the eighties and earlier? How come we hear virtually no talk of them in recent decades? Could it be they managed to infiltrate our governments and corporations? Could it be that they are still in control of that very lucrative business? Could they be behind the war on drugs? A war that cannot be won? A war that only brings larger profits to those that control the trade?

    In any case, the fact that making drugs illegal is directly related to escalating violence is proven beyond a doubt. Good first step.
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    Ok, so a lot of people are going to jump on my back for this. This is coming from a former grower and connoisseur. It was part of my path for over a decade. In the end I found marijuana to be one of the hardest spiritual traps to beat, even harder than alcohol. Don't get me wrong, marijuana has its place as a medicine and as an entheogen, but its a very trickster entity. Why is it such a spiritual trap? It gives the false sense of spiritual progression all while the user stays stagnant. Its a very sly trick it plays and a very slim % of users see it for what it is. It also changes how your body functions for about a month. Its not something you really notice as an all the time smoker, but take a few months off and see what level of clarity you get too and then make an experiment out of it and smoke again. I think you will find that a fog lasts and stays for far longer than you expected. It changes how your chakras and third eye function and effects them for a month even if you only feel the high for one day. Its counter productive to working these systems naturally.

    I have this talk with my partner all the time. I ask her why she still wants to consume in that capacity and her reply will be "well it makes me a better person, I see when I hurt people more easily. I can be less stressed out about the world or more creative". We all know the replies, ill end them with those but I could have added countless more. People fail to realize if you are using a tool to accomplish these things, you will never be able to do them on your own. Sure you may need a tool to show you the other side so you have something to work towards, but if you are using the tool constantly to achieve those ends, you are missing the point completely. The point is to be a better person without a tool, to see why you hurt others without a tool. To live less stressful without a tool and so on. I find this to be a realization that few come to with marijuana.

    Training wheels are awesome as a kid as they teach us how to ride a bike. But how useless are they if we never take them off and learn to ride alone? There comes a time where the training wheels need to be taken off so you can truly enjoy what it means to ride a bike. Why I say this is far greater as a spiritual trap as I see SO MANY very evolved beings that are still riding a bike with training wheels when it comes to marijuana. The spell marijuana has over evolved beings amazes me the more I see it. Its a very trickster entity. But like all good traps, it must give you tons of truths to rope you in....

    There comes a point where all will figure out that there is a contradiction in using a material realm method to achieve the spiritual....

    Ill leave you with one last question I want to pose. The world is not what it seems, everything is very calculated and set up for a reason. I'm sure if anyone knows this, its you guys at this forum. When marijuana had the chance to truly wake up a society it was banned in the beginning of this century. When the people are awake and it has a chance to keep those that are awake suppressed, it became legal. Do you think that this is a coincidence...?

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    Personally I enjoyed some of the distance from modern b.s. that mj provided. I adopted many research interests that would otherwise never have entered my mind. Yes, it affects perception. But so does thyroid disease...

    It doesn't destroy your sex life or kill your pregnancy, either -- modern antidepressants do.

    Some dutch docs think mental patients seek mj because it helps calm their symptoms.

    Dr Gupta on CNN says it cures epilepsy and bipolars often use seizure suppressants.

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    Default Re: Link between marijuana laws and violent crime

    Quote Posted by dpwishy (here)
    Ok, so a lot of people are going to jump on my back for this. This is coming from a former grower and connoisseur. It was part of my path for over a decade. In the end I found marijuana to be one of the hardest spiritual traps to beat, even harder than alcohol. Don't get me wrong, marijuana has its place as a medicine and as an entheogen, but its a very trickster entity. Why is it such a spiritual trap? It gives the false sense of spiritual progression all while the user stays stagnant. Its a very sly trick it plays and a very slim % of users see it for what it is. It also changes how your body functions for about a month. Its not something you really notice as an all the time smoker, but take a few months off and see what level of clarity you get too and then make an experiment out of it and smoke again. I think you will find that a fog lasts and stays for far longer than you expected. It changes how your chakras and third eye function and effects them for a month even if you only feel the high for one day. Its counter productive to working these systems naturally.

    I have this talk with my partner all the time. I ask her why she still wants to consume in that capacity and her reply will be "well it makes me a better person, I see when I hurt people more easily. I can be less stressed out about the world or more creative". We all know the replies, ill end them with those but I could have added countless more. People fail to realize if you are using a tool to accomplish these things, you will never be able to do them on your own. Sure you may need a tool to show you the other side so you have something to work towards, but if you are using the tool constantly to achieve those ends, you are missing the point completely. The point is to be a better person without a tool, to see why you hurt others without a tool. To live less stressful without a tool and so on. I find this to be a realization that few come to with marijuana.

    Training wheels are awesome as a kid as they teach us how to ride a bike. But how useless are they if we never take them off and learn to ride alone? There comes a time where the training wheels need to be taken off so you can truly enjoy what it means to ride a bike. Why I say this is far greater as a spiritual trap as I see SO MANY very evolved beings that are still riding a bike with training wheels when it comes to marijuana. The spell marijuana has over evolved beings amazes me the more I see it. Its a very trickster entity. But like all good traps, it must give you tons of truths first to rope you in....

    There comes a point where all will figure out that there is a contradiction in using a material realm method to achieve the spiritual....

    Ill leave you with one last question I want to pose. The world is not what it seems, everything is very calculated and set up for a reason. I'm sure if anyone knows this, its you guys at this forum. When marijuana had the chance to truly wake up a society it was banned in the beginning of this century. When the people are awake and it has a chance to keep those that are awake suppressed, it became legal. Do you think that this is a coincidence...?

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    Marijuana use and chronic marijuana "addiction" are two entirely different things. It's a bit like saying that sex is wrong because sex addiction has ruined lives.

    I partly agree with much of what you are saying -- I also noticed easily within myself that occasional use will temporarily heighten spiritual considerations and expand your consciousness, and also I noticed that regular use tends to have the opposite effect.

    It makes more sense if we look at this from physiological point of view. Consider that mj induces certain chemical releases in the brain -- these releases is what is responsible for the heightened spiritual considerations and expanded thoughts - not the mj itself. Also consider that after release it takes some time and effort on your body's part to restore these chemicals that give that effect. Occasional use, if done infrequently enough, will always give the desired effect. Chronic use never gives your body enough time to replenish those brain chemicals (nuero-transmitters, exciters, depressors, or whatever) that cause the effect -- thus you ruin your relationship with these higher states of consciousness very easily with chronic use.

    Right now, the fact that mj gets you a high is almost completely irrelevant in comparison to the change in industry that legalization or at least decriminalization can bring. If everyone understands how it works physiologically, and understand the power of psychological addictions can pose, then it should be their choice - just like sex -- it can be dangerous if misused.

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    Personally I enjoyed some of the distance from modern b.s. that mj provided. I adopted many research interests that would otherwise never have entered my mind. Yes, it affects perception. But so does thyroid disease...

    It doesn't destroy your sex life or kill your pregnancy, either -- modern antidepressants do.

    Some dutch docs think mental patients seek mj because it helps calm their symptoms.

    Dr Gupta on CNN says it cures epilepsy and bipolars often use seizure suppressants.
    It is prescribed sometimes to schizophrenics in Canada -- brings them a bit back to earth ... ironically.
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    I've never used any drugs, but I'm highly against the ban of marijuana and psychedelics. It's ironic and insane, because at the same we are pumping people full of medical "drugs" and allow the consuming of alcohol and tobacco. Every adult should have a right to decide how they want to explore their consciousness. It really seems that marijuana and psychedelics are true eye openers, but as everything, so can they too be abused. I prefer meditation, but I'm open as to the idea of altering my consciousness by using medical plants. I just don't want to be labeled as a criminal by criminal governments!






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    I've never used any drugs, but I'm highly against the ban of marijuana and psychedelics. It's ironic and insane, because at the same we are pumping people full of medical "drugs" and allow the consuming of alcohol and tobacco. Every adult should have a right to decide how they want to explore their consciousness. It really seems that marijuana and psychedelics are true eye openers, but as everything, so can they too be abused. I prefer meditation, but I'm open as to the idea of altering my consciousness by using medical plants. I just don't want to be labeled as a criminal by criminal governments!

    ...<trim>...
    My experiences with MDMA put me on a relentless desire to be able to mimick the effect from a spiritual standpoint, rather than a chemical one. MDMA gives you an opportunity to see what life without programmed fear is like, as in my experiences - with pure mdma - that it temporarily relieves your subconscious of all programmed fears - it truly is an incredible experience - yet it should be only experienced once in my opinion, if at all.

    From there I sought to rid my subconscious of fear via advanced spiritual methods, and I was successful. Having that baseline -- that point B to know where wanted to go in that regard. I have since relapsed spiritually and sometimes think that another hit might motivate me again (it's been 15+ years) - yet at the same time .. I don't want that as a crutch either, catch22 I guess.

    Point of my story? Sometime mind altering substances can have huge physical, emotional, mental and spiritual impacts in the most positive of ways - but it should be considered more a one time "presentation" then something to "use"

    I still smoke mj occasionally and drink too much beer these days, lol. At least I know where I am and have a rough idea of where to go

    Another 2 cents

    BTW MDMA is chemical based, not plant based. I know of no plant based source that has the same effect (then again I'm not an expert in the field)

    Bit off topic ...
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    When I started with mj I was cautious because of the issues in regards so I became a responsible user. On the other hand I was a food glutton and that makes me ill chronically. Money is good if we use it responsibly. Internet same; knife..... It's not about the tool it's about how we use it.

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    Default Re: Link between marijuana laws and violent crime

    conflict stimulates certain personality types and individuals. The best thing is not to involve yourself in that.

    Example, I have been found with Pot on my persons multiple times by countless Law officers over the years. Recently, 70-80% do not even take it from me anymore. Granted I live in a state where it has been decriminalized ($100 fine under one ounce), it shows how the tides can turn.

    Greed and fear cloud the debate in different ways, but Weed just makes to much sense in to many ways. It will reach a tipping point eventually and be tolerated all over IMO.
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    It was the same when prohibition of alcohol stopped. The liquor store owners were threatened by the black marketeers, and they got away because of "no witnesses."
    They always said that the big and strong, were short on brains, so it is with this also. The camera's, public security for businesses cameras, can be set to roof tops, rear of buildings, front street entrances, and license plate height, of any vehicle that pulls up, and a zoom can be applied.

    All I can say, is the traps will be sprung, and the rats will be caught. Time to put some Generations X, Y, and Z JUSTICE on that nasty little virus called black marketeers of ill intent. LOCK THEM UP IS HOW WE WER TAUGHT. What is good for the young geese, is great for the old decrepit of mind gander/gangster wannabe's.

    After all, that is what the police force is for, harm to the public and businesses, eh. Well, that's the laws, so it's time for our generations to pursue them, and they pursue those threats to businesses. Extortion? Idon't think so.

    Keep PD's clean, and WE the world will have justice and fair play. Keep the Judges on a clean and tight by the laws WE the people implement by vote on the ballot, not backroom deals, and WE have the government, WE the peoples of the world want, while working to make this planet, cleaner, healthier, environmentally safe waters, air and oceans. There is a virus now killing thousands of dolfins around the world, but here in VA, 75 just this month with some hemmoraging of the eyes, and orafices, like ecoli.

    Just saying, the 'shhthf" so hope you are prepared for the people who's eyes aren't awake to it, and those who will try to harm you for yours. If you can, store plenty of tree seeds, fruit tree seeds, and grapes. Vitamin C, will be needed for a while. Portables and greenhouses that can be moved in an instant, with extra set, if you don't have the time.

    Well folks, that's the beginning of the solutions, and the ending of the problems, we've faced for centuries under these self appointed Demi-God mentality psychos.

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    Violent crime in North America especially is all about illegal drugs - their manufacture, distribution and sales, and the laws that back their enforcement. It is big business. Very big business. So big that governments themselves are involved in the profits, if not some of the other aspects of its avalability. The jails are full to capacity and the majority of inmates are there serving drug-related sentences. That is also big business.

    And whatever happened to the criminal syndicates that were all over the news in the eighties and earlier? How come we hear virtually no talk of them in recent decades? Could it be they managed to infiltrate our governments and corporations? Could it be that they are still in control of that very lucrative business? Could they be behind the war on drugs? A war that cannot be won? A war that only brings larger profits to those that control the trade?

    In any case, the fact that making drugs illegal is directly related to escalating violence is proven beyond a doubt. Good first step.
    I'll take it a step further and say that when you get to the top of the drug pyramid, you'll find pond scum like Dick Cheney, the top levels of the CIA, and the Vatican.

    The US invaded Afghanistan because the Taliban burned the poppy fields in response to a threat from the CIA for attempting to renege on a deal to feed Enron's brand new $3.5 billion refinery in India with a pipeline through the middle of Afghanistan, which supplies 90% of the world's heroin. The Russians offered them a better deal and they were trying to get more money out of the Bush/Rockefeller Standard Oil whores. The war papers were already on Bush's desk on 9/10/01, the US fleet was already poised in the Persian Gulf to commence with the opening ceremonies, and FEMA had already set up shop on NYC's pier 92 the night before 911 with enough personnel and equipment to broom sweep the whole mess in a few days under the guise of drill exercises called "Tripod II".

    I have a friend who has been a CIA agent for nearly 40 years... he calls himself a "made man". Where have I heard that before?

    Post update:

    Just top get back on topic, we can feed, clothe and house the world with hemp, just as it was done for thousands of years... if anyone has never seen this article on the marijuana conspiracy, it'll really put things in perspective...

    http://www.world-mysteries.com/marijuana1.htm
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    Exclamation Federal Drug Agency Denies Marijuana Is Less Toxic Than Alcohol..Huffington Post

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    Federal Drug Agency Denies Marijuana Is Less Toxic Than Alcohol
    By Robin Wilkey
    Posted: 08/19/2013 8:02 pm EDT | Updated: 08/20/2013 11:48 am EDT

    The National Institute on Drug Abuse released an eyebrow-raising statement to PolitiFact on Monday, denying that marijuana is less toxic than alcohol.

    "Claiming that marijuana is less toxic than alcohol cannot be substantiated since each possess their own unique set of risks and consequences for a given individual," wrote the institute. NIDA, part of the National Institutes of Health, funds government-backed scientific research and has a stated mission "to lead the nation in bringing the power of science to bear on drug abuse and addiction."

    The statement was in response to a declaration by the pro-pot policy group Marijuana Policy Project that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol –- a claim that was the centerpiece of a controversial pro-marijuana commercial aired during a NASCAR race last month.

    PolitiFact took the claim to task, comparing marijuana-related deaths to alcohol-related deaths and toxicity levels of the two substances.

    As noted by PolitiFact, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Health Statistics reported 41,682 alcohol-related deaths in 2010. The center had no reports listing marijuana as a cause of death.

    PolitiFact also noted a study by Robert Gable, an emeritus professor of psychology at Claremont Graduate University, that measured the toxicity levels of substances ranging from heroin to marijuana. The study showed that "marijuana is about 100 times safer than alcohol or cocaine."

    PolitiFact noted that evidence surrounding the long-term effects of marijuana use is murky. Still, the fact-checker ruled the claim that marijuana is less toxic than alcohol "mostly true."

    Article link with video a must watch...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3782100.html

    Government lies continue and the administration allows or promulgates it. Psych ops still being fostered upon the masses. IMHO

    Peace!
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    Default Re: Federal Drug Agency Denies Marijuana Is Less Toxic Than Alcohol..Huffington Post

    I've never seen someone pass out, stop breathing, or have a single car accident due to mj.

    Maybe it's toxic to cancerous growths such as our lovely gubment.
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    Maybe it's toxic to cancerous growths such as our lovely gubment.
    It's toxic because it has a greater long term risk of imprisonment .
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