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    ... and so are you.

    Here's an anecdote of a massive benefit someone got from a Ron's Org (scientology) auditing (counseling) session that turned their life around. (I don't actually know this person; it was told to me by the person's auditor.)

    They realized -- a profound simplicity -- this truth: "I AM INVISIBLE."

    "NO-ONE CAN SEE ME. The only thing anyone else can see is my body, my behavior, my actions, and my words. That's all."

    "Therefore I am in control over how I am perceived. It's all up to me."

    At that point they understood what responsibility was. It changed their life, and all their relationships.
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    Default Re: I am invisible ...

    The advantage in this case is also a weakness, why can't we see someone for what they are? Why can't we observe all the convolusions and the constant changes of the spirit and the soul in the body? This is the weakness of our society, therefore we can indeed control how we are percieved. but is it reallly important, how we are being percived?
    Or maybe it is truly more important to be who we are - with the desire to be better human beings. That can potentially change our life and relationships as well
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    Default Re: I am invisible ...

    good one
    No need to follow anyone, only consider broadening (y)our horizon of possibilities ...

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    Default Re: I am invisible ...

    From what I can tell, people, at the most common levels, don't really connect with what's inside other people - they don't see it. One is indeed invisible - on those common levels. In other words, I find that people don't really worry about who I am, just so long as I don't intrude on who they are (such intrusion can happen in a variety of ways, some subtle.)

    However ... I suspect there are other levels, on which people do connect with more profound awareness. Operating at those other levels requires respectful treatment on the more common levels as a prerequisite however
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    Default Re: I am invisible ...

    That's really a nice realization Bill.

    Have you ever mentioned this in another thread in the forum?
    Because I faintly remember, hearing about it before.

    I AM INVISIBLE!

    That has some far reaching impolications if you let that sink in.

    this however:

    Quote "Therefore I am in control over how I am perceived. It's all up to me."
    I would suggest that it is exactly the other way around.
    I am NOT in control of how I am perceived, because everyone sees reality through their own glasses that prevents them to see the truth about what they "think" they see.

    Maybe it is fair to say that "reality is invisible" and therefore it is impossible to control how you are perceived.
    Unless you are to top talented narcissist of course

    The only control you have is the perception of yourself, me thinks.

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    "NO-ONE CAN SEE ME. The only thing anyone else can see is my body, my behavior, my actions, and my words. That's all."

    And above and beyond that .. the only thing the others can see is what their senses and brains can proceed . Not only they do not see YOU , they do not see how you behave either . Unless they know.

    And how again , would they know else than by knowing THEM-SELVES.

    In another words, there are many things beyond current stream of perception that we know about but can't see ..





    Such as in ''Where are the aliens''

    http://beforeitsnews.com/space/2013/...g-2461048.html

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    Thanks Bill,
    That brings to mind an experience where some friends who used to be in the church got an idea of why I might be having trouble doing what one of these people thought I should be doing.
    They sat me down, and said it has occurred to us that we have been talking to you, and trying to help you, without actually locating you first.
    And I brightened up at that point and said I agree, then all three of us kind of looked around the body
    trying to find "me". And all at the same time our attention went to a space about six feet behind my head, and three or so feet above it.
    I experienced years (in a way it felt like centuries) of never being acknowledged fall way, and entered a state that lasted a while.
    Then the Woman that was considered to be the leader of the group took me aside, and tried to explain to me how floating around outside your bady was not a good thing.
    Well I can see how being disconnected would be bad , but there are reasons why there are rules against evaluation and invalidation, this was supposed to be a trained auditor , and for reasons of maintaining this idea of being senior to everyone , (I think) she had a tendency to stomp on peoples realizations.

    The responsibility I have though is to take the win I got, and move ahead with it.

    I have since had a lot of lessons about my choices of action , and the me that others will tag on me because of them. I am invisible, but I am connected to things that I affect that will create the me others see.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    ... and so are you.

    They realized -- a profound simplicity -- this truth: "I AM INVISIBLE."

    "NO-ONE CAN SEE ME. The only thing anyone else can see is my body, my behavior, my actions, and my words. That's all."

    "Therefore I am in control over how I am perceived. It's all up to me."

    At that point they understood what responsibility was. It changed their life, and all their relationships.
    And if they really wanted to be perceived for who they really are, they need to act, speak and behave in accordance with who they really are!
    Here, however, I need to agree that first we need to get to know ourselves on all levels we can master, and after that we can express our true nature.

    I think the biggest struggle we all have in this life is to be accepted, honored, understood, loved, cherished, perceived in alignment with who we are inside, so the invisible part is our real problem. All the make up we put on, in any form and level, is simply to fit in, or stand out depending on our inner desire.

    I had to discover that quite early in life.

    That is how I understand Bill's idea behind the post.

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    Quote Posted by Eram (here)
    That's really a nice realization Bill.

    Have you ever mentioned this in another thread in the forum?
    Because I faintly remember, hearing about it before.

    I AM INVISIBLE!

    That has some far reaching impolications if you let that sink in.

    this however:

    Quote "Therefore I am in control over how I am perceived. It's all up to me."
    I would suggest that it is exactly the other way around.
    I am NOT in control of how I am perceived, because everyone sees reality through their own glasses that prevents them to see the truth about what they "think" they see.

    Maybe it is fair to say that "reality is invisible" and therefore it is impossible to control how you are perceived.
    Unless you are to top talented narcissist of course

    The only control you have is the perception of yourself, me thinks.
    There is the idea of flows here from myself to others , then they run that through their software then project it me back on me.

    That is stuff that really does happen, but is invisible, in a sense empty.

    The self is a space of emptyness around other spaces of emptyness, in a larger space of emptyness.

    Yet the garbage can is full , and if I don't empty it who will.

    Hmmm, maybe I have had enough coffee for one day.

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    I am indivisible!(couldn't resist)
    It's ultimately true though...

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    Quote Posted by Eram (here)
    That's really a nice realization Bill.

    Have you ever mentioned this in another thread in the forum?
    Because I faintly remember, hearing about it before.

    I AM INVISIBLE!

    That has some far reaching impolications if you let that sink in.

    this however:

    Quote "Therefore I am in control over how I am perceived. It's all up to me."
    I would suggest that it is exactly the other way around.
    I am NOT in control of how I am perceived, because everyone sees reality through their own glasses that prevents them to see the truth about what they "think" they see.

    Maybe it is fair to say that "reality is invisible" and therefore it is impossible to control how you are perceived.
    Unless you are to top talented narcissist of course

    The only control you have is the perception of yourself, me thinks.
    Good point Eram,
    I refuse to appear likable to affect person's perception about me. I am what I am, if
    they want to like me they have to use their heart not eyes.

    Most of the case I am invisible for others.

    I am not going to insinuate myself into acceptation.
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    The question is, how can we expect those whom we love to really know us and love us back not for the show we put on in front of everybody everyday, but as we truly are, if we are afraid of intimacy?
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    Default Re: I am invisible ...

    If you live in a large city even your physical form appears invisible to many.

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    Thank you Bill and Limor for sharing the wisdoms about what true freedom is regards self-responsibility and our power over how we are perceived as individuals.

    It then put me in mind of the importance of group responsibility, which is a mark of the collaborative drive of all the strong individualists drawn to the Avalon forum with a common ethos of concern for mankind collectively. We may all be dispersed geographically but the pulse of group strength and purpose is authentic and palpable here... something that brings me personally, an important 'visible' connection to something greater than myself that is meaningful, joyous and real.

    'Lessons from Geese' is transcribed from a speech given be Angeles Arrien at the 1991 Organisational Developmental Network and was based on the work of Milten Olsen. Many are likely to have come across it before, but apart from its general efficacy.. it then me thinks, in some way acts as a metaphor for the organic machinations of our forum threads and posts...

    Fact 1.
    As each goose flaps its wings, it creates an uplift for the birds that follow. By flying in a V formation, the whole flock adds 71% greater flying range than if each bird flew alone.

    Fact 2.
    When a goose falls out of formation, it suddenly feels the drag and resistance of flying alone. It quickly moves back into formation to take advantage of the lifting power of the bird immediately in front of it.

    Fact 3.
    When the lead bird tires, it rotates back to into the formation to take advantage of the lifting power of the bird immediately in front of it.

    Fact 4.
    The geese flying in formation honk to encourage those up front to keep up their speed.

    Fact 5.
    When a goose gets sick, wounded or shot down, two geese drop out of formation and follow it down to help and protect it. They stay with it until it dies or is able to fly again. Then, they launch out with another formation or catch-up with the flock.


    N.B: if you find this all a tad naff and are squirming in your chair.. then acknowledge your tendency toward sollypsism and let it be.. (chuckle just having a lend!)

    ** As it must this Question also brings up: When are we not invisible?

    In my experience congruence and being in flow with what is inner and outer at any given time influences how we are perceived by others. When that kind of balance is evident (going on in another I am perceiving).. they hold a certain kind of timeless energy in the space/the moment which attracts my focus of attuned attention, e.g in moments that are peaked by a holistic immersion of intimacy and connection with another. Nooo I'm not just referring to the oceanic /omebic symbiosis experienced during sex or when 'in love'.
    For example: People tend to hold attention from others when they are authentically 'in their truth' and this can be expressed by an embodied state of quiet serenity or in passionate streams of being large in their compassion, joyousness, sorrow or grief. When others are in a primal place of connection to self or in true mindfulness toward others.. they are not missable.

    Hmmmphh... you tube has many instructive videos on how to be charismatic, which has to be another order of opus operandum all together
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    I know some folks that I thought were dirt poor. I asked them out to dinner but they insisted on paying. When he opened his wallet it was stuffed with hundred dollar bills. After talking for awhile he explained that he put on an act at being poor because it stopped other poor folks from trying to get money outta them, it was protection. I later saw the inside of their house, it was full of expensive, beautiful artwork, but the outside looked plain and ordinary. They were controlling what other folks thought of them.

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    Very nice principle to live by.
    There will come a day when we know our true history.

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    When I read the op, the book "Three Magic Words" by Uell S. Anderson came to mind....it was a life-changer for me.

    An excerpt from the book taken from page 11....


    Quote Today, with this first chapter, we ask you to begin to undo the Lock. We ask you to eradicate from your mind all notion of yourself that has to do with where you live, where you were born, what you have done, and what your circumstances have been. We ask you to concentrate on only one thing and that is the spirit within you.

    This real you, this conscious hidden intelligence that exists behind your eyes, is
    timeless, formless, and built from all the glory and magnificence that ever was. It is
    not a name or a job or a home; indeed it has nothing to do with circumstance or
    situation. The plain fact is that you exist. Dwell on that, nothing more.

    I am.

    Two more magnificent words were never put together. I am. This minute. This now.
    All the time that ever was.

    I had been 'invisible' to myself until I read those words...shedding the idea that I was the roles I played in life and the masks I wore, I took 'ownership' and responsibility for the life I live...and found true freedom.

    By healing my own blindness, I have learned it is so much more important that I know myself, deeply, and live my life openly and honestly as I truly am than to be concerned as to how I am perceived by others...speaking for myself only here.

    No matter what one does in life, some people will love you, some will hate you, some are apathetic.

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    Who said that! 0;o
    Oh sorry diden't see you there

    Great post bill and I undestand, not sure If I fully abide by it tho?

    I was once ill, bouts of depression, very shy and nervous, so nervous and self concuss that if I had to go out doors my muscles would tense up and i would not be able to walk or move fluidly.
    I stayed indoors most of the time.
    I was basically alone and lived inside my self, cut off from other beings, and cut off from the collective consciousness, I was invisible! Invisible in a very busy large city!
    But I was happy indoors most of the time, doing my own thing which in turn re-introduced me to the collective consciousness and many new friends of worth. (My own thing was deep meditations and explorations of myself and beyond and art).

    I was into art and it took me over for a few years (I did the Van Gogh thing). I with cloth dye brightly colored some light trousers (looked very much like tie dying) same with t-shirts etc, etc I wore these cloths outside and walked boldly.
    At the time this was me, I liked me, I didn't care if anyone else didn't like me or understand me. Some people gave me the Peace sign and meant it some just for fun. Both I was happy with, I took it as I was giving them fun and or joy!
    I was visible to the collective conciseness and so was strong, I because of those days still am strong. I FEEL visible to those I think matter and to those I want to share some part of myself too, but to a diminishing number of people I'm becoming seen as a being. I could say no one ever relay knows you! but nowadays I think that is changing we are becoming more aligned and transparent, our inner energies are being seen and shared and noticed! we are being seen.

    chocolate
    Quote I think the biggest struggle we all have in this life is to be accepted, honored, understood, loved, cherished, perceived in alignment with who we are inside, so the invisible part is our real problem
    agreed! but i also see it as:
    'I think the biggest struggle we all have in this life is to accept, honor, understand, love, cherish, perceive in alignment with who we truly are inside, so the invisible part until we do these things is our real selves and the problem!'

    BTW I really have experienced invisibility, back 20 years or more when I was going thorough an awakening, I experienced people walk straight into my while I was holding myself in a way of being (energy)(altered-state) it has started happening again which is great but not if your driving Doh.

    sorry folks if I've rumbled on, gone off topic maybe but hope some of it still made sense!
    I'm a simple easy going guy that is very upset/sad with the worlds hidden controllers!
    We need LEADERS who bat from the HEART!
    Rise up above them Dark evil doers, not within anger but with LOVE

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    Difficulty lies, when one lives in a society, where we are judged mainly on outside appearance. So many women I know, spend hundreds, even thousands of dollars, to keep their youth, and have the right clothes, you know, keeping up with the Jones' scenario. I have never understood it. I am proud to age. Each wrinkle is a character mark. A symbol of my strengths, and endurance, achievements and failures. I have lived, and I refuse to be ashamed to show it. I will not connect shame, with age, otherwise, I will be pretending I am something I am not. I have not understood the point of being middle age and feeling like you need to look like you are 25. It is an obsession, especially in the states. I don't ever want to be afraid to just be who I am, the way that I am, and I suppose, it is because we are invisible. No one can see inside our head, at who/what we really are. Great thought provoking thread Bill!!!

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    wow..u guys sure know how to complicate things ..

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