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    Default Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

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    Copied verbatim from http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopoli...ufoet-and.html

    • Dr. Greer reportedly improperly “skimmed” project funds for personal real estate.
    • Core insiders including Dr. Jan Bravo (portrayed as a supporter in Sirius) abandoned Dr. Greer prior to premiere. Some “in fear for their lives”.
    • “Dead Man’s Trigger” touted by Dr. Greer at outset of documentary is 33 page document (PDF below) containing apparent fabricated accusations.

    By Alfred Lambremont Webre

    As a result of a 3-month investigation including core supporters of film, UFO/ET, and New Energy projects led by Dr. Steven Greer, [Sirius documentary, Disclosure Project, Orion Project] Exopolitics.com is reporting preliminary evidence of apparent project financial improprieties by Dr. Steven Greer that led to the departure of his long-time core team, including Dr. Jan Bravo, portrayed in Sirius as a supporter of Dr. Greer, when in fact she had reportedly disaffiliated with Dr. Greer prior to the premiere of the documentary Sirius.


    Dr. Jan Bravo, MD


    One Exopolitics.com confidential source in direct contact with former Greer core team members stated,
    “[Steven Greer’s] core team has left. Besides the drugs..., he's [Greer’s] been taking the money meant for disclosure and free energy and using it to buy personal real estate, drugs.... His [Greer’s] core team is really hurting, feel like they've left a cult. He's [Greer’s] turned on some of them maliciously and they are fearful of what he might do to them. They described also how they had many researchers come forth with viable technologies that Steven turned away because he wanted to use the $$ for other things - which turned out to be the aforementioned. Really sad all around.”
    Referring to Drs. Jan Bravo and other core team members, the Exopolitics.com confidential source stated,
    “Imagine how miserable it's been for them [Drs. Jan Bravo] having to finally pull the plug on supporting the whole UFO/ET movement because Greer essentially hijacked the whole thing out of a perverted sense of pathological self-interest. Specifically, Jan has sacrificed her entire career and livelihood to move the entire UFO/ET movement forward as far as it has gone.”

    Greer core team threatened and “afraid for their lives” after disaffiliating


    The confidential Exopolitics.com source stated that some core team members who had disaffiliated with Dr. Greer were afraid for their lives. At one point, the source stated,
    “The people who have left Greer's team are afraid for their lives. One of them had his brakes cut, etc.”
    The confidential Exopolitics.com source also stated that former Greer associate Dr. Jan Bravo had been threatened following her disaffiliation with Dr. Greer.
    “Jan Bravo said that she came home today to find on her front foyer some streaks of blood...and it didn't come from the dog. She considered it a warning and no more.”
    “Jan doesn't want to alter her life. She interprets it as defeat if she has to change her way of life.”
    When reached directly by Exopolitics.com for comment Dr. Jan Bravo and two other core team members did not reply. Through the intermediary confidential Exopolitics.com source with whom Exopolitics.com had been dialoguing with Dr. Jan Bravo, Dr. Bravo stated,
    “Jan [Dr. Jan Bravo] reiterated not to take action, especially by going public with anything shared to date…. unless it's Woolsey [former CIA Director James Woolsey] getting directly involved.... Greer [Dr. Steven Greer] has been throwing Woolsey's name around ever since Jim made the mistake of allowing Greer to join him and three other people for dinner, and Greer has blamed Woolsey for all sorts of stuff like blocking inventors from going forward with their technologies...complete B.S.”

    Sirius film crew reportedly acknowledges Greer skimming project funds


    The confidential Exopolitics.com source reported,
    "Interesting meeting with the Sirius film production crew yesterday. They already knew he was skimming funds off the top from the Sirius pot of money."

    Sirius documentary: Fabrications in Greer’s “Dead Man’s Trigger”


    At the outset of the Sirius documentary, Dr. Greer greatly touts his “Dead Man’s Trigger”, a document he has created setting out individuals who might be responsible for his demise in the event that he was assassinated or threatened.

    A copy of Dr. Greer’s “Dead Man’s Trigger”, a 33 page PDF document, obtained by Exopolitics.com in the course of this news investigation can be downloaded at the link below.

    As featured in documentary film "Sirius", "Dead Man's Trigger" by Dr. Steven Greer



    To download "Dead Man's Trigger" by Dr. Steven Greer (33 pages PDF), please click below:

    http://exopolitics.blogs.com/files/steve.greer.dead.mans.trigger.pdf



    ARTICLE URL:

    http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopoli...ven-greer.html

    The bulk of the “Dead Man’s Trigger” may have a familiar ring to those who are versed in Dr. Greer’s writings and speeches and simply repeats the assertions that are made in the Sirius documentary, in Dr. Greer’s speeches and books obtainable at the Disclosure Project website.

    One specific fabrication of note in the Greer “Dead Man’s Trigger” is, however, that the individuals Todd Hathaway and Pete Sumaruck would be putatively responsible for any demise of Dr. Greer.

    Exopolitics.com has been informed that Todd Hathaway is in fact one of the individuals who has been comforting Dr. Jan Bravo after her disaffiliation from Dr. Greer. According to a confidential source, “If the day comes where all this comes out, the inventor who stood up to Greer is Pete Sumaruck.”

    Therefore, it would appear that Dr. Greer’s “Dead Man’s Trigger” is actually structured around a false and misleading premise. In fact, the two individuals cited by Dr. Greer as being a putative “cause” of any demise of Dr. Greer are in fact (a) an individual who is giving comfort to Dr. Jan Bravo, a former Greer affiliate who reports having been threatened; and (b) a New Energy inventor who “stood up to Dr. Greer”.


    Steven Greer, UFO/ET Disclosure & the Transhumanist Agenda

    As stated in a recent Exopolitics.com article that focused on Dr. Steven Greer and two other specific opinion leaders in the UFO/ET movement, “The brain-mind entrainment data presented in this article, while preliminary in nature, raises prima facie questions about the future of the Exopolitical movement. If it is factually true that such opinion leaders in the UFO/ET "Disclosure" movement are brain-mind entrained due to manipulatory extraterrestrial or military-intelligence advance nanotechnology and hence acting out their controller's agendas, then this fact needs to be publicly exposed and discussed.” [1]

    The preliminary evidence gathered in this Exopolitics.com article from direct eyewitnesses witnesses to financial improprieties by Dr. Steven Greer ranging from long time core supporters to the Sirius documentary film crew and some of whom are in fear for their lives gives rise to a prima facie presumption that they are being truthful.

    One of the conclusions of the Exopolitics.com study on the Transhumanist Agenda in the UFO/ET movement stated, “The anomalous eye and body movements of Messrs. Bassett, Huneeus, and Greer may be the result of remote advanced nano-mind control technology applied by military-intelligence agencies. Under this alternative, the brains, neurological systems, and personalities of Bassett, Huneeus and Greer are entrained by military-intelligence nano-mind control technologies to act out agendas of these agencies that in turn may be cybernetically directed by predatory dimensional extraterrestrials.” [2]

    If in fact as the forensic evidence suggests, Dr. Greer is under brain entrainment and cybernetic control, and hence acting out an agenda of military intelligence agencies and/or predatory dimensional extraterrestrials, then this development may represent a public peril of the first order. It is difficult to speculate whether this brain-mind entrainment may have led to the reported financial irregularities by Dr. Greer. It seems clear, from the threats that former Greer former team members are subjected to, that some sinister force is attempting to ensure that these witnesses do not speak out.

    Dr. Greer, the Sirius documentary and the Disclosure Project have a wide public profile. Such an opinion leadership makes Dr. Greer an ideal candidate for promoting “pseudo-disclosure”, or a continuation of demands for “official disclosure” that ensure that whistleblowers from actual, longstanding U.S-Extraterrestrial liaison and visitation programs are sidelined.


    [1] UFO/ET Citizen Hearing witnesses Bassett, Huneeus and Greer’s anomalous eye movements may indicate brain-mind entrainment by manipulatory extraterrestrials or advanced military-intelligence nanotechnology as part of a global control agenda


    By Alfred Lambremont Webre

    http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopoli...ment-by-p.html

    [2] Ibid.
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    Default Re: Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

    this is one of those posts i almost wish i hadnt read. if it's true it's of vital importance, and yet it's got me so bloody paranoid that i'm questioning everything right down to the color of my socks. is the trade-off worth it? i s'pose i should ask 'anonymous' -- this guy seems to know everything! but is anonymous *really* anonymous or just a guy (girl?) who is being manipulated by black ops nano-technology or nefarious otherdimensional entities intent on making me dizzy with confusion?

    what came first: the manchurian chicken or the A.I. egg?

    i don't mean to be flippant, but this is so convuluted and 'out there' as to render my logic useless, so...on to intuiton..

    i think much of it is true. ive seen this man (Greer) so dogmatically nonsensical (the Bill n Kerry interview) that one can only conclude that he is either mind -boggingly stupid or being forced one way or another to stick to a script.

    and the drugs he's allegedly skimming to pay for...no doubt came from Lou Ferrigno's war chest. his transformation from super geek to super soldier is worthy of a sci-fi movie. perhaps his cohorts left after witnessing him transform into the incredible hulk.

    speaking of the people that left his team: one of them had his brakes cut.....and then what? did he crash into a phone poll? drive into oncoming traffic? im infinitely curious. god this is creepy. but not nearly as creepy as...

    "streaks of blood in the foyer." i had a mouse in my bedroom last night and i thought that was bad. Bizarro Greer n Co going Freddy Krueger on this woman seems excessive. what happened to the good ol days when an elegant man dressed in black made subtle threats on your life in an unironically polite way?

    jesus. i dunno man. this is too wierd...and yet disturbingly believeable.


    p.s. alfred lebremont weber? i was wondering what bruce wayne's butler was up to these days.
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    Default Re: Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

    The Kerry Cassidy call out was essential to wake a lot of people up. For me it was his funding by the Rockerfellas via the Clinton's that threw up red flags for me...

    He can now be used as a pin-up for what to look for in a con man. Plain and simple.

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    Default Re: Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

    Unfortunate dimensions due to human frailty and/or a more sinister hand.

    From the onset, I felt money was a motivating factor, that his intentions weren't wholly altruistic, yet believed that perhaps despite his quirks, he had a drive to disseminate the truth as he knew it. If he profited along the way, it seemed that in his mind he deserved it for putting his life at risk ( perhaps it was an implied story layered into the entire disclosure project).

    Nevertheless, it feels like a gut punch leaving a vacuum where one should be breathing if true... and it does feel true. I don't know about the brain-mind entrainment, I can't get a feel for that. At first when I first heard Alfred Lambremont Webre make those accusations, even with the curious behavior of Steven Bassett accompanying his summation... I had to dissuade myself from believing any such "nonsense".

    This road is treacherous and the mines are many, so it appears.

    I hesitated to chime in at all, as an after the fact type of commentary... but I think many had that truth meter wildly fluctuating with Steven Greer.

    The best outcome for this;

    If there is misconduct from Greer and he does have a true desire for disclosure and made a human error of judgment with those around him, admit to what is true.
    If there might be some kind of brain-entrainment type of technology used on him, and it could be scientifically proven, that could be the smoking gun that fired a big hole in the truth embargo.

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    Default Re: Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

    All I can say is wow. I'm pretty much speechless. A lot of promises down the toilet. A lot of people got hurt on this one. I hope they find their peace quickly and don't give up.
    There will come a day when we know our true history.

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    Default Re: Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

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    The Kerry Cassidy call out was essential to wake a lot of people up. For me it was his funding by the Rockerfellas via the Clinton's that threw up red flags for me...

    He can now be used as a pin-up for what to look for in a con man. Plain and simple.

    agreed. not really a fan of kerry's style, but this was one instance in which it was effective.

    plus, watching greer squirm was priceless

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    Default Re: Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

    Smells like a hit piece.

    I am not in the loop and cannot add anything to Greer's credit or discredit...but this sure smells like a hit piece.

    After you read Wade Frazier's account of smooth-talking infiltrators that (astoundingly) backstabbed and front-stabbed Dennis Lee in full view, some of Dennis Lee's closest allies went away with the bad guy. So, I believe a cadre of UFO/free energy geeks could certainly be torn apart from the inside by one of "Godzilla's" A-team members.

    If Greer was siphoning funds for drugs and for his personal residence, you don't think he would keep that from the crew?

    Stinky, stinky, stinky. I've got $5 that says Greer was set-up by a pro. Anyone want to wager something... say a hat? I must admit, I would not bet eating a hat - again, I'm very much an outsider, but this just smells like a mixture of conniving and cunning (and easy to blame on Greer who has a big ego.)

    I probably had no business posting on nothing but a gut feeling, but well, there it is.

    Dennis

    {edit} Please jump to Todd Hathaway's post in this thread, as I believe that it changes this topic from third-person innuendo to first-person experience: Post # 73
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    Default Re: Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

    You named it Denis, Greer has a big ego. When manipulating someone, it is sooooooo easy to use the big egos, fear, it works every single time. You can trigger those based on the person's life experience where fear or ego were implemented, could be ordinary difficult circumstance that everyone meets sometimes in their life. Use it to stir up feelings again, send a few energies or thoughts and voilà, you have the thief, the drug addict, the frighten lier, the person not able to talk anymore, name it.

    This is why it is soooooo important to works on one's ego and on one's fears. NO ego, NO fear, no handles for the manipulators. Add to this love and consciousness and the reverse happens, your house (inner) becomes clear and not to be taken.

    Greer has been manipulated from years back, as has been most of those showing their head above the water in this ultra convoluted and secret world. Example: Ammach at the present time (other type of manipulation, from outside in my opinion).

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    Default Re: Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

    the level of evolution of each person is different , one thing that earth bound humans have tons of trouble with, E G O ... also we get too attached to our physical bodies, they are just temporary housing , you are not your body, you are much more , if one is truly thinking of the best for the human race, this kind of garbage would never happen, so true the old saying, ye shall know them by their fruits ... just don't cut down the tree because of a few bad apples ...it is sad this happened, another bump in the road for the evolution of disclosure ...
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    Default Re: Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

    Thanks Dennis I agree, hearsay, second-hand knowledge did anyone ask Dr Greer for his point of view? No, but sure ready do throw him under the bus. I don't even support all the things Greer does but lately Ive been finding myself defending him from attacks on his character, but I would do that for anyone here on the forum, and not because I think Greer is perfect.

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    Default Re: Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

    I'm just going to let the dust settle and see what facts turn up. Facts will be needed before making any assumptions.
    There will come a day when we know our true history.

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    Default Re: Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Smells like a hit piece.

    I am not in the loop and cannot add anything to Greer's credit or discredit...but this sure smells like a hit piece.

    After you read Wade Frazier's account of smooth-talking infiltrators that (astoundingly) backstabbed and front-stabbed Dennis Lee in full view, some of Dennis Lee's closest allies went away with the bad guy. So, I believe a cadre of UFO/free energy geeks could certainly be torn apart from the inside by one of "Godzilla's" A-team members.

    If Greer was siphoning funds for drugs and for his personal residence, you don't think he would keep that from the crew?

    Stinky, stinky, stinky. I've got $5 that says Greer was set-up by a pro. Anyone want to wager something... say a hat? I must admit, I would not bet eating a hat - again, I'm very much an outsider, but this just smells like a mixture of conniving and cunning (and easy to blame on Greer who has a big ego.)

    I probably had no business posting on nothing but a gut feeling, but well, there it is.

    Dennis

    i hope you're right Dennis. i know nothing of this Alfred guy who wrote the article. i'd do a little research but that would be bad for my image. i like to pretend i just effortlessly know stuff...

    5 dollars? im going to go back into the Avalon guidelines to see if you've broken some sort of rule with that paltry offer...

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    Default Re: Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

    IF this is true, I'm sure it will leave those who made contributions to Sirius with a bad taste in their mouths. Hopefully it's not true.

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    Default Re: Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

    Quote Posted by Snookie (here)
    IF this is true, I'm sure it will leave those who made contributions to Sirius with a bad taste in their mouths. Hopefully it's not true.

    He got my ten bucks. No problem on my end.
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    Default Re: Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Smells like a hit piece.

    I am not in the loop and cannot add anything to Greer's credit or discredit...but this sure smells like a hit piece.

    After you read Wade Frazier's account of smooth-talking infiltrators that (astoundingly) backstabbed and front-stabbed Dennis Lee in full view, some of Dennis Lee's closest allies went away with the bad guy. So, I believe a cadre of UFO/free energy geeks could certainly be torn apart from the inside by one of "Godzilla's" A-team members.

    If Greer was siphoning funds for drugs and for his personal residence, you don't think he would keep that from the crew?

    Stinky, stinky, stinky. I've got $5 that says Greer was set-up by a pro. Anyone want to wager something... say a hat? I must admit, I would not bet eating a hat - again, I'm very much an outsider, but this just smells like a mixture of conniving and cunning (and easy to blame on Greer who has a big ego.)

    I probably had no business posting on nothing but a gut feeling, but well, there it is.

    Dennis
    I'm still digging through all this material (and it's connected, very loosely, with Anya Briggs' claims, here:

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-DOW-Grey-ET-s.....

    And there's a really interesting sting in THAT tail! --> http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post689974 )

    Back to this thread here. Webre's article does look like a hit piece, but my bet (not quite an entire hat at this stage) is that this is purely because Webre does not like Greer one bit. I do know this for a fact.

    Indeed, many UFO researchers and activists don't like Greer at all, but very few ever say so openly. That was one of the things that made our Camelot interview with him such a talking point: no-one had ever called him out and challenged him nearly so openly.

    We may well reach the point, sometime, when people will look back to re-evaluate that interview in a rather different light.

    I would certainly like to have done that one again, for a variety of reasons, but both Kerry and myself have always stood by every word we said. Importantly, Richard Dolan has always stood right with us on every point of debate, and has stated as such on record. This interview we did with him, shortly after our Greer interview, is well worth listening to.

    http://projectcamelot.org/Rich_Dolan...ugust_2009.mp3

    The feeling I have is that the Greer tent is indeed beginning to collapse. Once some people speak out, it's possible that more and more will find the courage to do so. There have been whispers about this, and much like it, for quite a long time now. I suspect that we will hear more.

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    Default Re: Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

    I don't want to disparage Dr.Greer, So i'm waiting for all the facts to come out
    but that movie Sirus, Sirusly Sucked.

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    Default Re: Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

    I'm not sure, as these are the only three cards I'm holding, so I think I'll wait for another roll of the dice.



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    Default Re: Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

    Yes, this is what we saw coming. We hoped Greer would fade away rather than succumb to a big scandal that would discredit so much legitimate work and effort. I'm not surprised because this is the logical conclusion of what we saw back in the day. Just wish it hadn't happened.
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    Default Re: Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

    I think Webre's reputation (iffy) needs to be taken into account; some of the stuff he has come out with has been seriously wacko.
    I will wait until the dust settles on this one.
    But I will say that I think Greer has been under a tremendous amount of pressure since the beginning, when he, his closest friend and another close associate were all given a rare kind of cancer by some kind of black op technology (only he survived).
    Given the kind of work he is doing, as with anyone in the Disclosure field, it's no wonder if he has begun to crack.
    And I wouldn't be at all surprised if there has been a lot of machinations from his enemies to bring that about.
    I seriously doubt that all the blame can be laid at his door.
    In any case, the work he has done has been on the whole, pretty amazing, and the Disclosure community still owes him a debt of gratitude, imho.
    That goes for Stephen Bassett too.
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    Default Re: Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

    Quote Posted by Chinaski (here)
    i hope you're right Dennis. i know nothing of this Alfred guy who wrote the article. i'd do a little research but that would be bad for my image. i like to pretend i just effortlessly know stuff...
    You had me at "I know nothing"

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    5 dollars? im going to go back into the Avalon guidelines to see if you've broken some sort of rule with that paltry offer...
    Mike, you got me to laugh out loud with that one, and it's after 11 at my house. If you made me wake up the mrs. and the baby, you're gonna get yer ass kicked (I will stand back and watch my wife do it) :~)

    I did wager $2.3 trillion dollars a while ago, and no one took my challenge yet. (All they have to do is build a copy of WTC Building #7, get a certificate of occupancy, and bring it down with fire at free-fall speed. I even said they could surround the entire building with refractory bricks and use all the fire they want.)

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    p.s. thank you for concluding that post with your name, cuz for a second there i thought it was the *other* Dennis Leahy who looks like you and who is equally as astute as you and who also very coincidentally hails from Duluth, Minnesota
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