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    At least 5,000 people are languishing in Greek internment camps, and more "undesirables" are added every day.

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    First migrants and recent immigrants were rounded up from Greece's streets and forced into internment camps.Then they threw the drug users in. Next came the sex workers, forcibly HIV tested, publicly humiliated, and imprisoned.
    Now they're coming for transgender men and women — and the list of "undesirables" just keeps longer.

    Operation Zeus is a cleansing campaign targeting and imprisoning the most vulnerable members of Greek society, accompanied by spikes in racism, gender hate and homophobia.

    There are now at least 5,000 people languishing in these hellholes simply for existing — and this month, while warning trans* men and women to "return to normal" or else, the Greek government announced that camp capacity is about to double.

    We call on the EU member states to put the pressure on Greece now to stop this abhorrent cleansing campaign now. We can still save the people persecuted under Operation Zeus — but we can't afford to stay silent for long!

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    So now you have to go to facebook to sign a petition through "like?"

    I signed it but it won't go through, I think, because "I don't use the facebook." I use twitter, why don't they have a button for that?

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    why bother?
    Greece is no longer governed by Greeks. Rich Greeks are the cause of this. The Greek people hate these changes, yet continue with their daily lives as if nothing is wrong. Many Greeks endorse these actions against minorities, yet will cry pitifully when its their turn.

    Most Europeans do not know their own history. What is happening in Greece is coming to every corner of Europe soon.

    The petition has my support though I doubt there will be enough signing to make any difference.

    The same thing is happening in Turkey as well, did you know that?

    Check the other European countries whilst you're at it, even here in UK similar camps exist.

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    There's time travel right there, just missing the Gypsies and the Tinkers.

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    HI, Ria!

    I have just chatted with my greek friends. They said the camp is for immigrants who came and stayed in Greece illegally.
    Where is the information coming from?

    Nickolai

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    There are quit a few links to follow. Maybe your friends have sanatised news on this particular subject or possibly you have detected something else.

    Below is just a small segment
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    Up until October 19th, 2012, any migrant who had been detained in Greece as a result of not having legal papers to stay in the country, could be held for up to three months if they applied for asylum and six months if they did not, this was then extended to one year and 18 months respectively. The process of claiming asylum in Greece, both outwith and within detention centres is an arduous one, with little information available, a lack of lawyers and cases thrown out for spurious reasons, and even without reasons being given. Detention conditions have been condemned by both national and international agencies which have visited the camps, but little changes.

    There are six main detention centres operating in Greece, with many more migrants held in prisons and in police detention centres. Currently 5,000 are held in the official migrant camps, with an unknown number being held in the 25 alternate facilities which are also being used to house migrants – although officially these are only used as short term measures, some detainees have been held in such facilities for months.. Dendias the Minister for Public Order who oversees the camps has announced a doubling of the current capacity of the official camps to 10, 000, although it should be noted that there are no plans to transfer those held in police stations, ordinary prisons and even shipping containers throughout Greece, but only to increase the total capacity.

    Officially every detainee should have 4 square meters while held in detention, however many have but a fraction of that, with up to three detainees per square metre, so that the inmates do not even have room to lie down. Men, women and children are held together in some camps and within the supplementary facilities, sans-papiers share cells with convicted criminals.

    Since the start of Operation Zeus in August 2012, police have been stopping people in the street and demanding their papers, detaining them if their papers are not found in order. No notification is given to their relatives by the police and migrants rely on NGOs to inform others of their detention, including any dependent children they may have, who are left uncared for. In March, Greek “undesirables” were added to those being held without trial in these camps. Access to lawyers or information about the asylum process is limited and even when such information is provided it is provided in Greek, which few migrants read well.

    Resistance is growing within the migrants with riots and uprisings and currently nearly 2,000 migrants held at these camps now on hunger strike across Greece. But with little contact beyond the razor wire, there is a lack of information about what is actually going on in the camps, but what little news does get out shows a pattern of brutality, squalor, disease, hunger and despair.
    Issues and Resistance in the Official Detention Camps

    Amygdaleza – official population: 1,665

    Amygdaleza, the first of the official detention centres, opened on the 29th April 2012, with shipping containers used to house the migrants which included unaccompanied children, held in mass dormitories Many have been locked up here for months on end, without access to lawyers and inadequate food and hygiene facilities. Despite this, it is widely reported to be the detention camp with the best conditions for migrants in Greece.

    On December 1st, 2012, migrants gathered in the yard at Amygdaleza, pulling at the fences and shouting slogans of freedom. The protest was quickly put down by riot police.
    On January 29th, 2013, Syrian migrants went on hunger strike to demand refugee status, in co-ordination with migrants also held at Petrou Ralli police detention centre. Some of the inmates had been held for up to fifteen months without access to asylum procedures.
    On February 21st, 2013 600 prisoners joined the hunger strike, in protest at the lengthening of time that sans-papiers could be held in detention.
    On February 23rd, 2013 riot police were called to the detention centre to violently end the hunger strike, beating the detainees with clubs. Teargas was used in enclosed rooms and and beat the detainees with clubs, resulting in some of the detainees suffering broken bones in their arms and legs.

    On April 6th 2013, a further mass hunger strike in protest at the conditions of detention in Amygdaleza began. The following day, two of the hunger strikers tried to kill themselves, one with broken glass, the other by drinking a bottle of shampoo. No ambulance turned up for hours.
    Xanthi – official population: 440

    Most of the inmates at Xanthi detention centre have been held since August after being picked up in the first round of the “Operation Zeus” sweep. As with all other centres conditions are deplorable with overcrowding, inadequate food and a lack of sanitory provision.

    On November 12th 2012, an afghan refugee sewed his lips together in protest at the extension of the length of detention.

    Paranesti (Drama) – official population: 320

    The detention centre at Paranesti, Drama opened on 29th September 2012. Each cell holds 40 people who have no access to outside, and with their mobile phones removed on detention, inmates have little opportunity to contact the outside world.

    On 25th January 2013, migrant attempted suicide by cutting his wrists with a razor blade, while other prisoners protested at the poor living conditions. Police were called to put down the revolt.
    On 8th April 2013, a migrant from Afghanistan climbed a tree and threatened to jump in protest at his continuing detention. He was eventually brought down by ladder.

    Filakio (Orestiadas) – official population: 2,034

    Nicknamed “Greece’s Guantanamo“, the Filakio camp near Orestiadas has been running several years, but it has seen a massive expansion in the last year. With migrants held 100 to a cell with men, women and children all imprisoned together, beatings are common and the lack of sanitary facilities, together with unwashed bedding leads to disease. Some inmates has been sleeping on the same bare mattress for months.

    On the 8th February 2013, migrants blockaded their cell doors and set mattresses on fire in protest at the extension of internment conditions. Violent repression from the police followed including drafting in police from the neighbouring area. Eight inmates were arrested.

    Komotini, - official population: 427

    Migrants at the Komotini detention centre report being regularly beaten and having hot water thrown over them, as well as being insulted during prayer and being pulled out of toilets. Despite the extensive damage at the end of last year, the detainees were not moved and continued to live in the charred cells with no electricity, little natural light and bare electrical wires.

    On 23rd November 2012, an uprising started in the Komotini detention centre. Migrants smashed windows, burned mattresses broke iron bars from doors and beds and caused extensive damage to the facility. Teargas was used to put down the uprising, while from the outside, people heard gunshots as the police struggled to control the situation.

    Corinth – official population: 1,022

    The detention centre in Corinth opened in July 2012. In October 2012, a delegation inspecting the conditions under which migrants were held in Corinth reported there was no warm water, migrants have insufficient food, no access to information or lawyers, many lack medicine they need to take and thus remain sick in their cells; when on occasion doctors were called, no interpreters were available to allow the inmates to properly communicate with them. Adults and unrelated children are held together in the same cells which house between 60 and 80 people in cells 120m square, where they are locked up twenty three hours per day.

    On 18th November 2012, a hunger strike started against the long detention periods and conditions in the centre. Riot police were called to put down the protests who teargassed the hungerstrikers in their cells, as detainees baracadded the doors to protect themselves and set matresses alight to counteract its effects.
    On 10th March, 2013, a Syrian refugee who was caught filming the guards beating other inmates on his mobile phone was taken to his cell and severely beaten. His phone was smashed.
    On April 6th 2013, migrants in Corinth joined the coordinated hunger strike across the Greek detention centres.
    On April 9th, 2013 two migrant detainees climbed up a chimney at Corinth detention center threatening to jump if they were not let free. After long negotiations they were talked into coming down.
    On April 10th,2013 riots started in the centre after police beat a detainee who refused food as part of the ongoing hunger strike in protest at the lengthening of detention
    On April 18, 2013, a Moroccan detainee jumped from second floor of Corinth detention center.


    Other places where Migrants are held

    In October last year, eleven migrants were severely injured and required hospital treatment after police violently put down a protest at the temporary holding facility at Igoumenitsa. The facility at the time held 90 migrants – triple the official capacity of 30. Fifteen migrants who were charged with escaping from the facility were acquitted after the court ruled that the harsh conditions including being locked up twenty four hours per day was a violation of the European Convention of Human Rights.
    On November 20th 2012, migrants held at Mytilini police station went on hunger strike at the overcrowded conditions and long detention periods. Even those not detained, as the capacity for detention on the island has vastly exceeded capacity, face violence and intimidation as they are frequently attacked as they sleep rough on the streets – young children and pregnant women among them.
    In December 2012, an investigation into the situation at the holding camp on Samos found 41 migrants, including eight women and seven children locked up together without mattresses, blankets or hygiene products and sharing a single toilet.
    An investigation into the conditions of detention at Vatopadi police detention centre in December 2012 found that food consisted of only inadequate, uncooked dry meals, the sanitary infrastructure was insufficient, which coupled with the overcrowding, where 38 migrants were held in two cells, contagious diseases such as scabies was rife and there had been 14 suicide attempts in 3 months.
    In February 2013, 51 refugees from Syria and Palestine, including 14 children and two pregnant women were held in a shipping container in Chios with a total area of 35 square metres for nearly a week. The following week, 60 refugees were held in the same container.
    On the 12th February, 12 detainees at Nikaia joined a hunger strike after a fellow inmate was beaten when he requested that he was transferred to a cell which was adequate for the number of people being held. The detainees were forced to sleep due to overcrowding, which saw 12 people being held in a cell designed for three.
    On March 14th, 70 refugees held at Drapetsona police station started a hunger strike against the extended detention periods. Already two of the detainees had been held there for nine months solely because of a lack of papers.
    On the 24th April, 17 refugees on Lesbos started a hunger strike in protest at being held in the yard of the police station with no facilities under constant exposure to the sun.
    On the 25th April 2013, a hunger strike began at the police detention centre in Moshato. The migrants here are held for months on end with only one mattress between two, in squalid and overcrowded conditions, with no access to either lawyers or outdoors.
    In Grevena Prison, in northern Greece, a doctor’s report issued on 25th April refers to twenty eight inmates with”serious physical injuries“,some caused by tazers, after they were beaten by guards and police from the Special Suppressive Counter-terrorism unit (EKAM) earlier this month.
    On April 29th, 580 inmates at the Larissa detention centre began a hunger strike in response to the illegal conditions under which they were held together with a lack of basic health and social care, after a letter that they had sent to the Justice Department, signed by 600 inmates fell on deaf ears.

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    Default Re: 5,000 languishing Greek internment camps

    A similar situation exists here in Italy, too. But, IMO and from what I have understood, the main problem is that the people in the camps can not be identified... most have no legal papers, therefore the authorities don't know where to send them back to (in what country are they legal citizens?). Those problems at the detention camps get a lot of attention on the Italian news, especially in the summer when boatloads of illegal immigrants and assylum seekers arrive at Lampedusa.

    It is a sad problem that needs to be sorted out. We are not yet "citizens of the world" free to go wherever we want, and I doubt that even the NWO ptb will ever let us anyway, if it's ever totally up to them (hopefully things will change).
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    These people should just not come in the first place or just go home and avoid being locked up. Problem solved!

    There's no way all Greek homosexuals are being locked up as Greece has EU human rights laws and could not do this. However, gay/transgender illegals who chose to break the law will be locked up.

    The fact is many Greek people are driven to suicide and homelessness, so Greece can't support illegals who would flood-in like in the USA if they got free homes, etc.
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    that a load of **** ... these imigrants came illegally and demand to be given visas and move to the EU. THey dont even want to stay in Greece. SO EU said NO ... and Greece for the last 10 years got stuck with millions of illegal immigrants. Atm in the center of Athens you see more "immigrants" than Greeks.

    I dont like these camps ... but its been forced on Greece to accept these illegals and not turn them back. Laws that stop Greece from closign its borders and laws stoping Greece from returning them from where they came.

    SO what should we do ? Provide food and housing to all of them? What about the Greeks that are starting to die from hunger? They are not immigrants so ignore them?

    i am a bit emotional by this cause ... i saw my city lose its looks. They are making ghettos in most big cities ... not the Greeks but the "immigrants". They are making almost nonGreeks areas where you get thrown out of parks and hole city areas. I dont know about you but when i came to Scotland i tried my best to be part of the culture here ... not to puch the scottish people away and make Greek areas.

    This is all distractions and its been happening for 20 years or more now... Greece has lost its population structure. 9mil Greeks and 2-3 mill "imigrants" that start to demand rights and votes etc. I guess all is going as planned.

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    Population of Greece is only like around 9 million?? plus 2,3 million...?
    Wow, that changes everything...
    No wonder they are ripping it apart...

    of course ...it's always the weakest and easiest prey first...
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    Etherios,

    Are you sure about 9 millions? The point I ask for I have just returned from Zakinthos where I have some friends now. One of them is originally from Athens and she told me that the population is around 18 millions in the city (most of whom are immigrants), that there are lots of Albanian and black people who are not very friendly.

    And as a personal note, Greeks, you are great people...)))

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    I thought those responsible by the crisis Greek and of other countries that are the corrupt politicians, businessmen, bankers and speculators who are trapped. Not?
    Even those who stole, steal and continue robbing the poor countries (rich without wealth) and explored its population (immigrants). These are the ones who will protect the people of these countries against hordes of invaders?
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    hint (for the naives)...the Balkans are friendly on the surface and super racist @ core especially towards their neighboring countries...

    this happens elsewhere too, while in the Balkans, it's still primitive, and can easily get out of hand and bloody...

    i have visited Greece as a legal foreign MA student, from a neighboring country, decades ago when living in the Balkans...

    i met friendly Greeks, not-so-friendly ones, and hostile authorities as well (cops were unfriendly with visitors, on many occasions)...so far nothing different from many other countries world-wide...

    what struck me negatively was that all them had the obsessive notion the immigrants were destroying their country, yet, the country's agriculture, heavily depended on them...the Greek farmers ware GREATLY subsidized by the EU, were doing very well, a lot quite wealthy, yet treating the immigrant seasonal workers horribly...

    i have also met well-treated farm-worker immigrants...but for the most part, there were constant problems of paperwork, and extreme cases of unpaid wages, towards the end of the harvesting seasons, resolved by farmers calling the cops, who would deport their "illegal" employees...this was more targeted against the Albanian farm-workers...

    i never saw or heard of an account that the very same farmer that called the authorities on their immigrant farm-workers (at the end of the harvesting season), being charged for harboring these "illegal" aliens for the whole harvesting season...

    Greece has social behavior problems...as do a lot of other countries in the Balkans (some probably worse) and world-wide

    i live in Canada, have a lot of great Greek friends among other nationalities...

    we often talk about these issues, and it is sad to confirm the world is still primitive

    cheers all
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    Quote Posted by Nickolai (here)
    Etherios,

    Are you sure about 9 millions? The point I ask for I have just returned from Zakinthos where I have some friends now. One of them is originally from Athens and she told me that the population is around 18 millions in the city (most of whom are immigrants), that there are lots of Albanian and black people who are not very friendly.

    And as a personal note, Greeks, you are great people...)))

    Nickolai
    the blacks and the Albanian conspiracy again...

    so sad...

    the truth is years awayyyyyy...

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    Etherios,

    Are you sure about 9 millions? The point I ask for I have just returned from Zakinthos where I have some friends now. One of them is originally from Athens and she told me that the population is around 18 millions in the city (most of whom are immigrants), that there are lots of Albanian and black people who are not very friendly.

    And as a personal note, Greeks, you are great people...)))

    Nickolai
    the blacks and the Albanian conspiracy again...

    so sad...

    the truth is years awayyyyyy...
    i see you know more than Greeks what is happening in Greece...

    Yes like 10 years ago when the albanian country collapsed many albanians came (legal or illegally) in Greece and i am 100% with you that many were used by the Greek Farmers ... but that was years ago and the influx never stopped. Also when Albanian collapsed all the prisoners fled to Greece ... so not all that came were good hard working immigrants.

    Blacks and Albanian conspiracy??? i am 35 years old and i remember the times when listening a foreign language was a surprise. Now in thessaloniki (my home town) you have hole areas of the city where listening Greek is a surprise. If you find this healthy and normal then you truelly are lost cause.

    Nickolai ... the last 10-20 years we have a mass "invasion" of "Greeks" that were living in old CCCP or Albania etc than were brought to Greece and given vote rights etc etc. Most of them are ofc not Greeks or have any will to become Greeks.

    Greece demographics have been completely destroyed the last 20 years and atm we are starting to become a minority in our own country. Go visit Athens and see how bad the situation is.

    Last Taurad ... i feel sorry for you cause this hole forum is based on your so called "conspiracy theories" ... so coming and saying that makes me happy.

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    hint (for the naives)...the Balkans are friendly on the surface and super racist @ core especially towards their neighboring countries...

    this happens elsewhere too, while in the Balkans, it's still primitive, and can easily get out of hand and bloody...
    Well thank you for calling us Primitive ... tho i still cant find any culture than the canadians created ... wait canadians is that even a culture?

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    i have visited Greece as a legal foreign MA student, from a neighboring country, decades ago when living in the Balkans...

    i meet friendly Greeks, not-so-friendly ones, and hostile authorities as well (cops were unfriendly with visitors, on many occasions)...so far nothing different from many other countries world-wide...
    Well that gives you vast experience in the balkan countries ... i guess.

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    what struck me negatively was that all them had the obsessive notion the immigrants were destroying their country, yet, the country's agriculture, heavily depended on them...the Greek farmers ware GREATLY subsidized by the EU, were doing very well, a lot quite wealthy, yet treating the immigrant seasonal workers horribly...

    i have also met well-treated farm-worker immigrants...but for the most part, there were constant problems of paperwork, and extreme cases of unpaid wages, towards the end of the harvesting seasons, resolved by farmers calling the cops, who would deport their "illegal" employees...this was more targeted against the Albanian farm-workers...

    i never saw or heard of an account that the very same farmer that called the authorities on their immigrant farm-workers (at the end of the harvesting season), being charged for harboring these "illegal" aliens for the whole harvesting season...
    So so for you illegal and legal means nothing. I dont like the way these people were treated but they came illegally (if that makes sense to you) and tried to find work. I am sure i can come to canada illegally ... work illegally and be treated like a canadian citizen in my work environment right? nop ... ill just get thrown out of cannada or in prison. But wait EU forbids Greece from acting like that ... bummer.

    Quote Posted by taurad (here)
    Greece has social behavior problems...as do a lot of other countries in the Balkans (some probably worse) and world-wide

    i live in Canada, have a lot of great Greek friends among other nationalities...

    we often talk about these issues, and it is sad to confirm the world is still primitive

    cheers all
    Ofc Greece has social problems ... we are been torn apart by economy and culture ways. We are not Greeks anymore ... multi cultural multi national ... mass. So ofc we will be in a bad situation ... but the mighty Canada doesnt have those issues you are civilized ...

    Sad to still have people that think nationalities differentiate humans. Canada and Greece means nothing ... sir. You are part of the human race ... you just happened to grow in a different area on this planet ... We so how much freedom and culture you guys have at the G20 meeting. With the black Van snatching protecters on the streets.

    Yes Balkans have issues with nationalities still ... at least we have one to argue over, not like you.


    p.s. i apologize to everyone for my bad reply ...

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    Etherios,

    Are you sure about 9 millions? The point I ask for I have just returned from Zakinthos where I have some friends now. One of them is originally from Athens and she told me that the population is around 18 millions in the city (most of whom are immigrants), that there are lots of Albanian and black people who are not very friendly.

    And as a personal note, Greeks, you are great people...)))

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    Few years ago 2006 i think the last demographic numbers were like 9 mill 400k something with birth rate on 1.2 i think. If you add all the Greek nationals that came from CCCP and Albania ... who knows maybe we passed 10 mil. But its declining ... the true Greek Population. Last estimates said they "made" Greeks for the elections like 300k-500k since 2008 ... so in papers we might grow, but reality is different.

    Now the 18mil is a lie. 2010 i think the "estimated" illegals were more than 1 million. I said Estimated right? ... with 1k more coming every month i think. i am sure you can find these numbers on the net.

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    Etherios, when you calm down and read my posts again, this time more objectively, then i will be happy to resume our conversation...

    until then, will drink some wine, beer, tzikudhia, ouzo...

    i'm trying to be friendly, but firm and objective (this is my goal)...in no way, i want to stress u out...

    on the other hand, u're being passionate and emotional...that's fine with me...

    but do not feel attacked, neither i did it through my posts, nor is my goal...

    so again, Avalon friend, calm down, and read'em again...

    cheers
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    that a load of **** ... these imigrants came illegally and demand to be given visas and move to the EU. THey dont even want to stay in Greece. SO EU said NO ... and Greece for the last 10 years got stuck with millions of illegal immigrants. Atm in the center of Athens you see more "immigrants" than Greeks.

    I dont like these camps ... but its been forced on Greece to accept these illegals and not turn them back. Laws that stop Greece from closign its borders and laws stoping Greece from returning them from where they came.

    SO what should we do ? Provide food and housing to all of them? What about the Greeks that are starting to die from hunger? They are not immigrants so ignore them?

    i am a bit emotional by this cause ... i saw my city lose its looks. They are making ghettos in most big cities ... not the Greeks but the "immigrants". They are making almost nonGreeks areas where you get thrown out of parks and hole city areas. I dont know about you but when i came to Scotland i tried my best to be part of the culture here ... not to puch the scottish people away and make Greek areas.

    This is all distractions and its been happening for 20 years or more now... Greece has lost its population structure. 9mil Greeks and 2-3 mill "imigrants" that start to demand rights and votes etc. I guess all is going as planned.
    Etherios, I'm so sorry about what has happened to your country...to your people. Thank you for letting us know what it is like for you.

    What has happened to Greece is coming to America. There is an immigration bill being debated in congress now. Immigrants are being welcomed to this country and receive benefits the average citizen cannot. It is said that they are welcomed in order to do the work Americans don't want to....but, in truth, with unemployment so much higher than the 'official' numbers, people here are willing to take any kind of job just to feed their families. The numbers of homeless families and the hungry are growing. The 'camps' are set up and people are being hired to work in them.

    When you said "I guess all is going as planned", I believe you are absolutely correct. It's the same old "problem...reaction...solution" being presented once again. Create overwhelming immigration problems in countries whose economies are going to he11...wait for the suffering citizens to complain, to revolt...eventually present solutions that will involve erasing national borders, thus taking one step closer to a one world government.

    Greece is already part of a greater EU. In my country, it will be difficult, but not impossible. We have yet to experience austerity...hyper-inflation is on it's way since the feds are printing more and more money in a battle against deflation.

    Here at Avalon I like to think of us as family...with all that comes with being family, like disagreements and misunderstandings. We are here to support, to listen, to try to help each other in these difficult times, imo.

    My heart is with you and Greece...my intention is for the greatest and highest good for all.

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    At least 5,000 people are languishing in Greek internment camps, and more "undesirables" are added every day.

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    First migrants and recent immigrants were rounded up from Greece's streets and forced into internment camps.Then they threw the drug users in. Next came the sex workers, forcibly HIV tested, publicly humiliated, and imprisoned.
    Now they're coming for transgender men and women — and the list of "undesirables" just keeps longer.

    Operation Zeus is a cleansing campaign targeting and imprisoning the most vulnerable members of Greek society, accompanied by spikes in racism, gender hate and homophobia.

    There are now at least 5,000 people languishing in these hellholes simply for existing — and this month, while warning trans* men and women to "return to normal" or else, the Greek government announced that camp capacity is about to double.

    We call on the EU member states to put the pressure on Greece now to stop this abhorrent cleansing campaign now. We can still save the people persecuted under Operation Zeus — but we can't afford to stay silent for long!

    PETITION TO EU MEMBER STATES: We cannot afford to sit by while another European country rounds up "undesirables" and imprisons people in camps simply for existing. Let the Greek government know it must release these people now.

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    I've read a bit about this and have friends who live in Greece. I have Greek friends here in the UK. The internment camps for illegal immigrants are well documented in the mainstream press. Most people I've spoken to in Greece feel uncomfortable with the whole thing but don't know what to do about the problem of illegal immigrants. Also, they're struggling to survive on a day-to-day basis themselves and don't have the resources to do anything about it. The situation there is grim, the kind of grim where hard-working people go hungry.

    I've read on several sites about drug users, LBGT and sex workers being 'rounded up' but I've so far found no credible evidence of this. As far as I know prostitution is legal in Greece so I'm not sure why anyone would want to lock up that particular category of person. (Correct me if I'm wrong - maybe they changed the law.)

    More evidence needed!

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