Wetiko

[ponda]

Interesting discussion here between Paul Levy and Henrik Palmgren of Red Ice Radio.They discuss Paul's new book 'Wetiko' and touch on theme's such as that humans are infected by a type of mind virus or psychic parasite that is part of a larger field that surrounds us and effects all of us to some extent.Wetiko might be our enemy and one of the reasons why the world is the way it is but it might also be a catalyst that helps us to awaken.Interesting interview

Paul is a pioneer in the field of spiritual emergence, as well as an innovator in the field of dreaming, a Tibetan Buddhist practitioner for over 30 years and the author of The Madness of George Bush: A Reflection of Our Collective Psychosis, as well as the book we'll discuss, Wetiko: The Greatest Epidemic Sickness Known to Humanity. Paul says our species is clearly in the middle of a mass psychic epidemic, which he calls malignant egophrenia and Native Americans call wetiko psychosis. There is a psycho-spiritual disease of the soul whose origin is within ourselves that has the potential either to destroy our species or wake us up, depending upon whether or not we recognize what it is revealing to us. We'll discuss how Wetiko operates, what it needs and how it mutates. Paul talks about co-collective creation, our unconscious mind and shadow self. He also explains how Wetiko can actually be the greatest gift.

Or listen here: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio...RIR-120308.php

[heyokah]

Thank you ponda,
I've listened to this interview and think it's very interesting.
Never heard or read about this wetiko psychosis.

Pity that for the second hour one has to be a member of Red Ice Creations.
Well, maybe it's worth it, for they have great interviews.

[heyokah]

I don't do this often, but this time......

[leavesoftrees]

Posted by heyokah (here)
Thank you ponda,
Pity that for the second hour one has to be a member of Red Ice Creations.
Well, maybe it's worth it, for they have great interviews.

Yes it's worth it. As you say there are some great interviews on RI. Good to give something back for all the work Hendrik does

[Delight]

Posted by ponda (here)
Interesting discussion here between Paul Levy and Henrik Palmgren of Red Ice Radio.They discuss Paul's new book 'Wetiko' and touch on theme's such as that humans are infected by a type of mind virus or psychic parasite that is part of a larger field that surrounds us and effects all of us to some extent.Wetiko might be our enemy and one of the reasons why the world is the way it is but it might also be a catalyst that helps us to awaken.Interesting interview

Paul is a pioneer in the field of spiritual emergence, as well as an innovator in the field of dreaming, a Tibetan Buddhist practitioner for over 30 years and the author of The Madness of George Bush: A Reflection of Our Collective Psychosis, as well as the book we'll discuss, Wetiko: The Greatest Epidemic Sickness Known to Humanity. Paul says our species is clearly in the middle of a mass psychic epidemic, which he calls malignant egophrenia and Native Americans call wetiko psychosis. There is a psycho-spiritual disease of the soul whose origin is within ourselves that has the potential either to destroy our species or wake us up, depending upon whether or not we recognize what it is revealing to us. We'll discuss how Wetiko operates, what it needs and how it mutates. Paul talks about co-collective creation, our unconscious mind and shadow self. He also explains how Wetiko can actually be the greatest gift.

Or listen here: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio...RIR-120308.php

How did you insert that player here?
This is a really valuable interview.
I have a subscription to Redice and feel it is really worth it to hear the second hours of interviews. Here is a link to an article by Paul Levy on Reality Sandwich

http://www.realitysandwich.com/node/84778

The idea that there is a virus that has infected humanity is also described by the Gnostics as The Archons and by shamanic traditions as the "Flyers". It is one of the most challenging but liberating ideas I have come across. If we do assume that this is the case and that we must be vigilant and proactive, we are in a much more empowered position than in ignorance and unconsciousness.

Here is an excerpt about Flyers and what we might see as a stance of power
from Castaneda's book "Active Side of Infinity"
Don Juan:

The sorcerers of ancient Mexico were
the first ones to see those fleeting shadows, so they followed them around.
They saw them as you're seeing them, and they saw them as energy that
flows in the universe. And they did discover something transcendental."
He stopped talking and looked at me. His pauses were perfectly
placed. He always stopped talking when I was hanging by a thread.
"What did they discover, don Juan?" I asked.

"They discovered that we have a companion for life," he said, as
clearly as he could. "We have a predator that came from the depths of the
cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners.
The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we
want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it
demands that we don't do so."...


"Why has this predator taken over in the fashion that you're
describing, don Juan?" I asked. "There must be a logical explanation."

"There is an explanation," don Juan replied, "which is the simplest
explanation in the world. They took over because we are food for them, and
they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear
chickens in chicken coops, gallineros, the predators rear us in human coops,
humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them.".....


....... Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems
of beliefs, our ideas of good and evil,
our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations
and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed,
and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and
egomaniacal."

"But how can they do this, don Juan?" .............

.................." In order to keep
us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a
stupendous maneuver-stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a
fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those
who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give
us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque,
contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute
now.

"I know that even though you have never suffered hunger," he went
on, "you have food anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the
predator who fears that any moment now its maneuver is going to be
uncovered and food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which, after
all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings
whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this manner, a degree
of security to act as a buffer against their fear."


......"There's nothing that you and I can do about it," don Juan said in a
grave, sad voice. "All we can do is discipline ourselves to the point where
they will not touch us. How can you ask your fellow men to go through
those rigors of discipline? They'll laugh and make fun of you, and the more
aggressive ones will beat the **** out of you. And not so much because they
don't believe it. Down in the depths of every human being, there's an
ancestral, visceral knowledge about the predators' existence."

"Whenever doubts plague you to a dangerous point," he said, "do
something pragmatic about it. Turn off the light. Pierce the darkness; find
out what you can see."......


........"What I'm saying is that what we have against us is not a simple
predator. It is very smart, and organized. It follows a methodical system to
render us useless. Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no
longer magical. He's an average piece of meat. There are no more dreams for
man but the dreams of an animal who is being raised to become a piece of
meat: trite, conventional, imbecilic."....

"This predator," don Juan said, "which, of course, is an inorganic
being, is not altogether invisible to us, as other inorganic beings are. 1 think
as children we do see it and decide it's so horrific that we don't want to think
about it. Children, of course, could insist on focusing on the sight, but
everybody else around them dissuades them from doing so.

"The only alternative left for mankind," he continued, "is discipline.
Discipline is the only deterrent. But by discipline I don't mean harsh
routines. I don't mean waking up every morning at five-thirty and throwing
cold water on yourself until you're blue. Sorcerers understand discipline as
the capacity to face with serenity odds that are not included in our
expectations. For them, discipline is an art: the art of facing infinity without
flinching, not because they are strong and tough but because they are filled
with awe."

"In what way would the sorcerers' discipline be a deterrent?" I asked.
"Sorcerers say that discipline makes the glowing coat of awareness
unpalatable to the flyer," don Juan said, scrutinizing my face as if to discover
any signs of disbelief. "The result is that the predators become bewildered.
An inedible glowing coat of awareness is not part of their cognition, I
suppose. After being bewildered, they don't have any recourse other than
refraining from continuing their nefarious task.

"If the predators don't eat our glowing coat of awareness for a while,"
he went on, "it'll keep on growing. Simplifying this matter to the extreme, I
can say that sorcerers, by means of their discipline, push the predators away
long enough to allow their glowing coat of awareness to grow beyond the
level of the toes. Once it goes beyond the level of the toes, it grows back to
its natural size.

The sorcerers of ancient Mexico used to say that the glowing coat of
awareness is like a tree. If it is not pruned, it grows to its natural size and
volume. As awareness reaches levels higher than the toes, tremendous
maneuvers of perception become a matter of course.

"The grand trick of those sorcerers of ancient times," don Juan
continued, "was to burden the flyers' mind with discipline. They found out
that if they taxed the flyers' mind with inner silence, the foreign installation
would flee, giving to any one of the practitioners involved in this maneuver
the total certainty of the mind's foreign origin. The foreign installation
comes back, I assure you, but not as strong, and a process begins in which
the fleeing of the 'flyers' mind becomes routine, until one day it flees
permanently. A sad day indeed! That's the day when you have to rely on
your own devices, which are nearly zero. There's no one to tell you what to
do. There's no mind of foreign origin to dictate the imbecilities you're
accustomed to.

"My teacher, the nagual Julian, used to warn all his disciples," don
Juan continued, "that this was the toughest day in a sorcerer's life, for the
real mind that belongs to us, the sum total of our experience, after a lifetime
of domination has been rendered shy, insecure, and shifty. Personally, 1
would say that the real battle of sorcerers begins at that moment. The rest is
merely preparation."....


.......He looked at me and smiled maliciously. "The flyers' mind flees
forever," he said, "when a sorcerer succeeds in grabbing on to the vibrating
force that holds us together as a conglomerate of energy fields. If a sorcerer
maintains that pressure long enough, the flyers' mind flees in defeat. And
that's exactly what you are going to do: hold on to the energy that binds you
together."

I had the most inexplicable reaction I could have imagined.
Something in me actually shook, as if it had received a jolt. I entered into a
state of unwarranted fear, which I immediately associated with my religious
background.

Don Juan looked at me from head to toe.

"You are fearing the wrath of God, aren't you?" he said. "Rest assured,
that's not your fear. It's the flyers' fear, because it knows that you will do
exactly as I'm telling you.".....

....."You're being torn by an internal struggle," don Juan said. "Down in
the depths of you, you know that you are incapable of refusing the
agreement that an indispensable part of you, your glowing coat of
awareness, is going to serve as an incomprehensible source of nourishment
to, naturally, incomprehensible entities. And another part of you will stand
against this situation with all its might.

"The sorcerers' revolution," he continued, "is that they refuse to honor
agreements in which they did not participate. Nobody ever asked me if I
would consent to be eaten by beings of a different kind of awareness. My
parents just brought me into this world to be food, like themselves, and that's
the end of the story."....

"The flyers are an essential part of the universe," he went on, "and
they must be taken as what they really are-awesome, monstrous. They are
the means by which the universe tests us.

"We are energetic probes created by the universe," he continued as if
he were oblivious to my presence, "and it's because we are possessors of
energy that has awareness that we are the means by which the universe
becomes aware of itself. The flyers are the implacable challengers. They
cannot be taken as anything else. If we succeed in doing that, the universe
allows us to continue."

[ponda]

Delight said:

How did you insert that player here?
This is a really valuable interview.
I have a subscription to Redice and feel it is really worth it to hear the second hours of interviews. Here is a link to an article by Paul Levy on Reality Sandwich

To insert an mp3 you click on the link in the quick reply set up.The one next to the utube link and insert the mp3 link inside it.I'm not sure if you will be able to link up the 2nd hour of the interview this way though.


Yes i also found similarities between Wetiko and Castenada's flyers and the Gnostics mind parasites and archons etc.Very interesting the idea that the virus influences us via the ego.

Thanks for the link.

[Delight]

Posted by ponda (here)

To insert an mp3 you click on the link in the quick reply set up.The one next to the utube link and insert the mp3 link inside it.I'm not sure if you will be able to link up the 2nd hour of the interview this way though.


Yes i also found similarities between Wetiko and Castenada's flyers and the Gnostics mind parasites and archons etc.Very interesting the idea that the virus influences us via the ego.

Thanks for the link.

I wish I could link up the second hours of Redice but then again I guess that is not too cool. Thanks for telling me how you linked the mp3. This info on the influence to our Ego from the virus has real value. Hope many access the info and consider it.

[Delight]

[QUOTE=ponda;449402]

Yes i also found similarities between Wetiko and Castenada's flyers and the Gnostics mind parasites and archons etc.Very interesting the idea that the virus influences us via the ego.

I'd like to keep the attention on this thread because I see so much playing out all around and even here that seesm completely in line with influence on behavior from the mind parasite

On March 14 William Henry talked to Jay weidner:

If Archons exist, who and what are they? Like Mac Tonnies and Bill Schneider, Jay Weidner is getting close to understanding this mystery, and how to identify the ones that may live among us. Just after announcing that he was close to being able to identify them, Mac died in his sleep at the age of 34. Bill Schneider has also died.

But Jay is still with us, and in this interview he tells us all he knows about the Archons. As the Nag Hammadi text warns, the Archons walk among us. They like violence and destruction. They are hungry for our suffering.

This link has the 30 odd minute interview and a link to John Lash talking on Redice.

http://yourtubenews.ning.com/forum/t...orld-3-15-2012

Read the original source: http://www.unknowncountry.com/revela...#ixzz1pKYmHqwj

[ponda]

Yes i agree Delight.i suspect that Wetiko,mind parasites/virus and the archon phenomena all tie in with mass mind control,bloodlines,illuminati,rituals and the occult etc and ultimately in the maintaining and control of this reality illusion/matrix.

Yes Jay Weidner and John Lash have done some great research on the Gnostic material.The violence,destruction,suffering and lust etc is probably all about emotional energy collection (loosh).

Coincidentally i came across an interesting article on the Nexus magazine web site.It's a chapter from a book by Robert Monroe called "FAR JOURNEYS: The Mystery of Loosh".It tells of an out of body experience by the author where he is told that one of the reasons that the Earth was created was for the collection of loosh and hence why there are constant wars and violence etc.There is a free pdf of the article available here:

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/index.p...d=31&Itemid=71

[TraineeHuman]

Carl Jung devoted more than two years to studying as many religions and spiritual paths around the world as he could. Then he wrote at least one book about his conclusions.

His primary conclusion, as I understand it, was as follows. At their advanced and usually very secret level, the great majority of all spiritual or shamanic paths around the world had as the most central issue that of "embracing and facing one's own dark side". That certainly doesn't mean being rude or evil, but, instead, it seems to me it''s precisely what Paul Levy is all about -- despite Delight's opinion that Paul is really talking about Archons. I disagree with Delight because your dark side or "shadow" is part of you, and it's not Archons, although as far as my experience goes it takes much work to remove the Archons that may lodge there.

I have rarely come across any in depth discussion of what "facing our dark side" means. And yet, to me it is certainly one of the most central, if not the most central, area of what true spirituality is all about.

In both Eastern and Western cultures there have been strenuous efforts, for many centuries, to totally hide all knowledge of this topic.

To me it's like Paul says more in any five minute segment than anyone I've come across in a very long time.

[ponda]

Interesting TraineeHuman.

i think that we can partake in dark side activities or do the wrong thing by being tricked or manipulated into doing it.This is where the Wetiko/Archons might come into it.They might deceive us by distorting our perceptions and then influencing us via the ego to emotionally react or overreact.Also mind control and conditioning could also be used to show a shadow/dark side perhaps.Maybe because information of the shadow/dark side has been kept secret then the way to overcome or break free from it's influence might be to shine the light of awareness on it and be mindful.

Brings to mind a line from the movie 'Revolver' about the ego or satan. "The greatest con, that he ever pulled... was making you believe... that he is you."

[Delight]

Hi Trainee Human,
I didn't make that up (because I have never had an original thought hehe) but took that idea from others. The main importance for me too is that we face the darkness within and that we build energetic immunity by inner work. I don't have any disagreements with anything you said....

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopoli...isenhower.html

Archons: A parasite of a different order

Exploring archons in his new book, Wetiko: The Greatest Epidemic Sickness Known to Humanity, psychologist Paul Levy writes, "When people are infected by the wetiko virus, Forbes writes, they are “the host for the wetiko parasites.” The wetiko germ is a psychic tapeworm, a parasite of the mind. Just like certain computer viruses or malware infect and program a computer to self-destruct, mind-viruses like wetiko can program the human bio-computer to think, believe and behave in ways that result in our self-destruction. Wetiko is a virulent, psychic pathogen that insinuates thought-forms into our mind which, when unconsciously en-acted, feed it, and ultimately kills its host (us). It doesn’t want to kill us too quickly however, for to successfully implement its agenda of reproducing and propagating itself throughout the field, it must let the host live long enough to spread the virus. If the host dies too soon, the bug would be prematurely evicted and would suffer the inconvenience of having to find a new residence.

Mr. Levy continues, "Like a cancer of the mind that metastasizes, in wetiko disease, a pathological part of the psyche co-opts and subsumes all of the healthy parts of the psyche into itself so as to serve its pathology. To quote Jung, “an unknown ‘something’ has taken possession of a smaller or greater portion of the psyche and asserts its hateful and harmful existence undeterred by all our insight, reason, and energy, thereby proclaiming the power of the unconscious over the conscious mind, the sovereign power of possession.” The personality then self-organizes an outer display of coherence around this pathogenic core, which ‘masks’ the inner dysfunction, making it hard to recognize. In a psychic coup d’etat, the wetiko bug can usurp and displace the person, who becomes its puppet and marionette. Like a parasite, the wetiko virus can take over the will of an animal more evolved than itself, enlisting that creature into serving its nefarious agenda. Once the parasite becomes sufficiently entrenched within the psyche, the prime directive coordinating a person’s behavior comes from the disease, as it is now the one calling the shots. Just as someone infected with the rabies virus will resist drinking water, which would flush out the infection, someone taken over by the wetiko parasite will have nothing to do with anything that will help them get rid of the disease. Wetikos are phobic towards the light of truth, which they avoid like the plague. In advanced stages, this process takes over the person so completely that we could rightfully say the person is no longer there; they are just an empty shell carrying the disease. In a sense there is just the disease, operating through what appears to be a human being. The person becomes fully identified with their mask, their persona, but it is as if there is no one behind the mask."

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by ponda (here)
i think that we can partake in dark side activities or do the wrong thing by being tricked or manipulated into doing it.This is where the Wetiko/Archons might come into it.They might deceive us by distorting our perceptions and then influencing us via the ego to emotionally react or overreact.Also mind control and conditioning could also be used to show a shadow/dark side perhaps.Maybe because information of the shadow/dark side has been kept secret then the way to overcome or break free from it's influence might be to shine the light of awareness on it and be mindful.

Brings to mind a line from the movie 'Revolver' about the ego or satan. "The greatest con, that he ever pulled... was making you believe... that he is you."

I imagine Delight's latest post suggests she would probably agree with me that we are ultimately the ones in charge of our own dark side. We aren't literally the devil, but I would suggest there are certain reasons why we have been led to ignore our dark sides / shadows. Ironically, one of the chief ones has been having quite a few centuries of religions that teach us: "Be good." Think about that. Over the centuries, it has come to put enormous pressure on us (particularly in our childhoods)to lie to ourselves, or conceal from ourselves, any example of when we have managed not to be good. In that way, our dark side grows, because we've disconnected our awareness from it, and let it fall through the cracks and rest in the shadows.

I guess I also disagree with you in that I claim we are more powerful than the Archons and the dead personalities that try to be parasitic on us, and so on. To embrace the dark side is to disempower it. That's what the beauty and the Beast myth is all about. I think it's no coincidence that Beauty and the Beast is by far the most popular myth these days with kids, and even -- according to some literature analysts -- among adults. (For instance, about half the plot of many of the most successful musicals has been in effect a Beauty and the Beast plot. For instance in Pygmalion and My Fair Lady, both Higgins and Eliza are at the same time beauties and beasts, though in different ways -- and have to transform each other. Kind of like most marriages/partnerships, I would say.) Incidentally, in recent centuries in Western literature, the Villain was always a two-dimensional character. Ever since the novel Silence of the Lambs came out in the 70s, though, the villains in fiction have often been as complex as the central (heroic) character of a story. I see that as a sign of real evolution of the human spirit, actually.

[ponda]

We aren't literally the devil, but I would suggest there are certain reasons why we have been led to ignore our dark sides / shadows.

i don't think that most of us are knowingly aligned with negative forces imho but we can be influenced by outside forces through the ego without being aware that it is happening.

Ironically, one of the chief ones has been having quite a few centuries of religions that teach us: "Be good."

or "Be Good Or Else ? "

I guess I also disagree with you in that I claim we are more powerful than the Archons and the dead personalities that try to be parasitic on us, and so on.

i'm not sure if it's a case of power as much as awareness

To embrace the dark side is to disempower it.

Again i lean towards awareness of rather than embracing the ds


cheers

[Delight]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)

Posted by ponda (here)
i think that we can partake in dark side activities or do the wrong thing by being tricked or manipulated into doing it.This is where the Wetiko/Archons might come into it.They might deceive us by distorting our perceptions and then influencing us via the ego to emotionally react or overreact.Also mind control and conditioning could also be used to show a shadow/dark side perhaps.Maybe because information of the shadow/dark side has been kept secret then the way to overcome or break free from it's influence might be to shine the light of awareness on it and be mindful.

Brings to mind a line from the movie 'Revolver' about the ego or satan. "The greatest con, that he ever pulled... was making you believe... that he is you."

I imagine Delight's latest post suggests she would probably agree with me that we are ultimately the ones in charge of our own dark side. We aren't literally the devil, but I would suggest there are certain reasons why we have been led to ignore our dark sides / shadows. Ironically, one of the chief ones has been having quite a few centuries of religions that teach us: "Be good." Think about that. Over the centuries, it has come to put enormous pressure on us (particularly in our childhoods)to lie to ourselves, or conceal from ourselves, any example of when we have managed not to be good. In that way, our dark side grows, because we've disconnected our awareness from it, and let it fall through the cracks and rest in the shadows.

I guess I also disagree with you in that I claim we are more powerful than the Archons and the dead personalities that try to be parasitic on us, and so on. To embrace the dark side is to disempower it. That's what the beauty and the Beast myth is all about. I think it's no coincidence that Beauty and the Beast is by far the most popular myth these days with kids, and even -- according to some literature analysts -- among adults. (For instance, about half the plot of many of the most successful musicals has been in effect a Beauty and the Beast plot. For instance in Pygmalion and My Fair Lady, both Higgins and Eliza are at the same time beauties and beasts, though in different ways -- and have to transform each other. Kind of like most marriages/partnerships, I would say.) Incidentally, in recent centuries in Western literature, the Villain was always a two-dimensional character. Ever since the novel Silence of the Lambs came out in the 70s, though, the villains in fiction have often been as complex as the central (heroic) character of a story. I see that as a sign of real evolution of the human spirit, actually.

I appreciate both posts. In my own life, it is the awareness of the dark and actually as you suggest embracing it that is the antidote to allowing myself to be used. In the way I understand the mechanism, it is the disowning of the inner darkness that causes us to project it out. But I also understand this to be tricky because of the way one can actually use "our dark" in an ego way that also promotes the virus. The bottom line to me is that the virus is a separative, projective, and replicative anti-Life force entity that uses us.

If we have the kind of discussion that is happening here and increase our awareness of this being a mind virus that may fool us, we are much better equipped to starve the energy.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by ponda (here)

To embrace the dark side is to disempower it.

Again i lean towards awareness of rather than embracing the ds


cheers

Hi again, ponda. Thank you for bringing up issues or ideas regarding this topic, which I certainly see as being pivotal to so much.

When I say "embrace your dark side", I don't mean to approve of it nor to disapprove of it, but just to acknowledge it as a part of who you actually are, at the moment. If you don't like the word embrace, maybe "accept without judgment" would do for starters?

I don't know if you've seen the video of Bill's interview with Inelia Benz. In that she describes her approach to dealing with extreme darkness, primarily through accepting it without any judgment or fear.

The reason I prefer to go further and say "embrace" it -- but with true detachment, if possible --, is suggested by the famous story of the Tibetan sage Milarepa. Milarepa was visited by about ten of the very blackest demons in the land. He did not resist them in anyway, but greeted them ever so courteously and amicably. He got out his best food and drink, and was the most generous of hosts to them. He continued to speak with them in the most courteous and friendly ways.

Soon, the demons were all rushing for the exit. They could not stand any more. They had been "killed with kindness". So, that's why I prefer to say "embrace your dark side". I don't mean let it control you in any way. It's just that all my experience is that killing the dark side with kindness is the fastest way to evolve, both for myself and others I have observed or worked with. Not always easy, for sure, but it's the quickest way.

Incidentally, I suspect you may sometimes want to resist parts of your dark side, or the Archons. Resistance ultimately doesn't work, at all. It just sometimes appears to work briefly, like a bandaid.

[ponda]

TraineeHuman aid:

Hi again, ponda. Thank you for bringing up issues or ideas regarding this topic, which I certainly see as being pivotal to so much.

When I say "embrace your dark side", I don't mean to approve of it nor to disapprove of it, but just to acknowledge it as a part of who you actually are, at the moment. If you don't like the word embrace, maybe "accept without judgment" would do for starters?

I don't know if you've seen the video of Bill's interview with Inelia Benz. In that she describes her approach to dealing with extreme darkness, primarily through accepting it without any judgment or fear.

The reason I prefer to go further and say "embrace" it -- but with true detachment, if possible --, is suggested by the famous story of the Tibetan sage Milarepa. Milarepa was visited by about ten of the very blackest demons in the land. He did not resist them in anyway, but greeted them ever so courteously and amicably. He got out his best food and drink, and was the most generous of hosts to them. He continued to speak with them in the most courteous and friendly ways.

Soon, the demons were all rushing for the exit. They could not stand any more. They had been "killed with kindness". So, that's why I prefer to say "embrace your dark side". I don't mean let it control you in any way. It's just that all my experience is that killing the dark side with kindness is the fastest way to evolve, both for myself and others I have observed or worked with. Not always easy, for sure, but it's the quickest way.

Incidentally, I suspect you may sometimes want to resist parts of your dark side, or the Archons. Resistance ultimately doesn't work, at all. It just sometimes appears to work briefly, like a bandaid.

Hi TraineeHuman and thanks for your response,


i've had a bit of experience with this dark side through negative paranormal activity.i certainly don't embrace it or accept it or feel that it is a part of me.i'm neutral to it.It's just there.i treat it as a learning tool and an experience enhancer.Just as we can be influenced by these entities these entities or ds can be influenced by us.i don't think this ds is a part of us.At the moment i feel that we are in a higher dimensional ds field that feeds off our energies.So maybe we are a part of it rather than it being a part of us.We are being farmed by the ds to a certain extent but there is more to it.There are cosmic cycles involved and change is coming.So yes one way of looking at the ds is to be thankful to it for waking us up and for expanding our awareness.

Well that's how i see it at the moment but that could change by this afternoon

cheers

[TraineeHuman]

Hi again, ponda. From your last post, I suspect you use the term “the dark side” to mean something different from what I do.

Firstly, I’ve had more than half a lifetime of meditation and even just ongoing “attention” that has involved going into dimensions – or whatever you want to call them – where there simply is no dark side, no polarity. I’ve also had probably over half a lifetime of frequently or even usually being aware of the reality of beyond-polarity while also being quite aware of the 3D world, as in daily life and work.

I’ve also experienced various negative beings in the 4D world. But I haven’t somehow subconsciously given them permission to hang around me. If you’ve experienced (lots of?) paranormal activity, then as far as I know you did somehow unknowingly attract or invite it. Certainly, that activity isn’t a part of yourself. Nor is it healthy to somehow indulge it or welcome it to return.

I guess I see the important part of “the dark side” as being the part that is in us. If it is in us, then it (that particular part) is indeed part of us. Once we individually overcome / get rid of / integrate with / resolve the part that’s in us, I claim I know, mostly from my own experience, that we become too strong for any dark forces to take away our joy and happiness, ever, pretty much – unless, maybe, temporarily to some degree if we happen to get physically ill.

Unfortunately, although I’ve had telepathic communications with various kinds of ETs and with all sorts of beings, there’s nothing that makes the notion that “we are being farmed” plausible to me – beyond some of the physical abductions for genetic experimentation by certain renegade ETs. People assert "We are being energetically farmed" as if it were a fact, but where is there a shred of proof, or evidence? On the contrary, my experience is that all human beings are extraordinarily protected on higher-dimensional levels, and even on occasion on a 3D level. I have attempted to explain some of this in the Spirituality thread “The journey to discovering my true origins”.

[ponda]

If you’ve experienced (lots of?) paranormal activity, then as far as I know you did somehow unknowingly attract or invite it. Certainly, that activity isn’t a part of yourself. Nor is it healthy to somehow indulge it or welcome it to return.

Hi TH,

The activity is a nuisance but it is also a learning opportunity.The way i see things now because of the experiences with this activity explains a lot of stuff that happened to me years ago.i also notice things a lot more now.i suspect that when people start to wake up that they can attract attention to themselves from the field/matrix and that they can experience some form of harassment whether emotional or mental or some type of external harassment.Most, probably don't even notice it or the cause of it.

From your last post, I suspect you use the term “the dark side” to mean something different from what I do.

Yes maybe.

My guess is that there are different interconnected aspects of the dark/neg etc.Put them all together and you have the ds.

I guess I see the important part of “the dark side” as being the part that is in us. If it is in us, then it (that particular part) is indeed part of us. Once we individually overcome / get rid of / integrate with / resolve the part that’s in us, I claim I know, mostly from my own experience, that we become too strong for any dark forces to take away our joy and happiness, ever, pretty much – unless, maybe, temporarily to some degree if we happen to get physically ill.

Unfortunately, although I’ve had telepathic communications with various kinds of ETs and with all sorts of beings, there’s nothing that makes the notion that “we are being farmed” plausible to me – beyond some of the physical abductions for genetic experimentation by certain renegade ETs. People assert "We are being energetically farmed" as if it were a fact, but where is there a shred of proof, or evidence? On the contrary, my experience is that all human beings are extraordinarily protected on higher-dimensional levels, and even on occasion on a 3D level. I have attempted to explain some of this in the Spirituality thread “The journey to discovering my true origins”.

My take at the moment on it is that the ds is temporarily influencing us through the mind and ego and can get into or connect with us in various ways.i think that we humans have been designed so as to be easily able to be mind controlled and emotionally squeezed BUT also upgradable.There is a higher dimensional aspect to our physical bodies imho and it is through here that the loosh is collected.No i can't prove it.It's just a theory that i have from reading,researching and my own experiences etc.i would imagine that higher dimensional beings and even other 3d beings are no where near as emotional as Earth humans.It might of been designed into us on purpose.So on one hand we get to experience a vast array of emotions but on the other hand this heightened emotional ability might produce energy that can be harvested etc.

When i look at the world this way it explains a few things.First the constant wars and violence through out history.The constant fear that is propagated through the mainstream media.This constant barrage of fear might be an energy source and also a way of controlling the global population and global consciousness.The world is the way it is by design imho.Another tool of the ds is the psychopathic aspect of the human mind and or the mind virus/parasite.This might be how the ds shapes reality.The elite etc are all puppets of the ds.They get all the money but they are just pawns and don't get to awaken.

To me the farming of loosh from humans makes sense.Look at us.We dig up the Earth and farm the oil for our energy.We farm plants and animals for food/energy.Anyway the thing i try to do now is to be as unemotional as possible yet compassionate at the same time.It's probably a good thing that there is no proof of loosh farming.

Yes i agree that in the bigger picture this reality is being managed by neutrals or benevolent entities that have more authority than the ds.

cheers

[TraineeHuman]

The way i see things now because of the experiences with this activity explains a lot of stuff that happened to me years ago.i also notice things a lot more now.I suspect that when people start to wake up that they can attract attention to themselves from the field/matrix and that they can experience some form of harassment whether emotional or mental or some type of external harassment.Most, probably don't even notice it or the cause of it.

Hi ponda,
Thank you for sharing so fully and intelligently.
Yes, it’s true that once a person becomes telepathic or clairvoyant or otherwise psychically aware, they’ll notice that there are lots of negative thoughts and emotions around, -- and yes, far more than people are aware of. My own direct and detailed investigations have shown me that these are all created by humans (mostly subconsciously or unconsciously), and not by some sort of negative field at all.

Not only that, but all thoughts and emotions contain electromagnetic energy, and in cities the air is thick with them. However, I know from experience that this negative energy is certainly not in control. It’s just a minor nuisance. I know it’s just a nuisance – and that therefore you have, apparently, greatly exaggerated its power -- because I’ve spent many man-years working with emotional and psychic energies and thought-forms and so on.

I also do a little psychic healing, and I often see dark energies shrink or dissolve before my eyes when I shine a tiny bit of light on them. You should see how they run. And all I’m doing is something that’s totally natural to any human being.

There is a higher dimensional aspect to our physical bodies imho and it is through here that the loosh is collected.No i can't prove it.It's just a theory that i have from reading,researching and my own experiences etc.i would imagine that higher dimensional beings and even other 3d beings are no where near as emotional as Earth humans.It might of been designed into us on purpose....

When i look at the world this way it explains a few things.First the constant wars and violence through out history.The constant fear that is propagated through the mainstream media.This constant barrage of fear might be an energy source and also a way of controlling the global population and global consciousness.The world is the way it is by design imho.

I don’t put much trust in anything anybody else says, unless it seems to gel with my own experiences. I have, however, read about “loosh”. Sorry, but I don’t have a high overall respect for Robert Munroe (though I’ve met him and I’ve bought and tried to apply three of his books in the distant past). But let’s assume his story about loosh is factual.

The only sense in which I can make “loosh” fit with what I have experienced is that it refers to the negative thoughts and emotions that I said above that the air in cities is thick with. I use the word “emotion” to mean something quite distinct from “feeling”. Feelings are things we directly express. But once we stop being little children, our feelings are often colored by emotions. By emotion I mean what Jung called a “complex” – which is any stuck negative feeling combined with certain fixed thoughts or beliefs. It’s true that every day we release tiny parts of our complexes into the 4D “atmosphere” around us. But these are our psychological/spiritual waste products. And as we evolve spiritually, eventually each of us reaches a stage where they don’t produce much “loosh” any more. I don’t buy Munroe’s story at all about how we were designed to be walking loosh factories. (It sounds to me like a sales brochure, actually. All tourists love a quaint story.) Rather, I happen to know we are all the multiverse and we all chose to go as “far out” as possible for a time and experience the most opposite things possible to what we really are.

Yes, beings from higher dimensions (excepting, perhaps, the lower fourth) are generally less emotional than us. Of course. It’s also true that the range of feelings is smaller in the higher dimensions. But that’s simply because in 3D the polarity is greater than it is higher dimensions: you can only feel hot to the degree you can also feel cold intensely, or sweet to the extent you can also feel sour, and so on. I don’t believe human beings are different in that respect from ETs from other 3D worlds. I’ve also read about abductions by apparently more positive and friendly greys, and how the abductees witnessed intensely strong feelings being felt by the latter.

You seem to me to be in effect arguing that the forces of darkness must currently be stronger on this planet, because if the positive forces were stronger and effective they wouldn’t allow it. But I would claim, again, that we are all really the infinite multiverse and there’s no greater joyride for us than experiencing what it’s like to really slum it up. We need the insanity of George Bush and of all the others, because they’re providing the cesspools and so on that make it a real slum. OK, we’ve forgotten that that was what we originally wanted to experience. But even the forgetting is one more part of the ride.

We’ve inoculated ourselves with the disease of Weitiko. We’ve done it purely to make ourselves stronger in the long run. Of course, medical vaccines often don’t work, but this is a psychological “vaccine” which we’ve taken precisely because it will make us much stronger, and is doing so already. Sure, the world of politics and economics is often dominated by darkness at its top levels. But that’s like the way when we’re down with a virus it feels like it’s beaten us – until our immune system kicks in. Which, of course, is also why the big change will inevitably come in the world of politics fairly soon, even if it probably won't be as spectacular as some might imagine.