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    What the nature of evil, is it open to interpretation according to ones perception, or it is state of mind, a set of moral parameters, or from a spiritual perspective, a energy source of some kind?

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    I think it's a perspective, relative only to the receiver. It is intentionally causing harm. The acting (evil) party causing the harm derives energy or some other benefit from it, so it is not "evil" to them.

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    I see it as anything that violates the free will of others.

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    Quote Posted by Prodigal Son (here)
    I see it as anything that violates the free will of others.
    What about Bill's abductions example? You don't think intent has anything to do with it?

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    Default Re: The Nature of Evil

    Evil is not real, but absence of knowledge of consequences.
    It is a perverted understanding of the cosmic order.
    Enlightenment gets rid of desires to do harm, or be vengeful.
    But then again, not everything that appears harmful is evil,
    but that depends on the intent or motive of the person acting
    it out.
    Bill's bird story yesterday made that point quite well.

    P.S. hey, Donk, only after I wrote and posted this did I see
    that you had just mentioned Bill's story as well.

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    Evil is real. It is ignorance in action.

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    Default Re: The Nature of Evil

    Quote Posted by minkton (here)
    Evil is real. It is ignorance in action.
    I believe that ignorance and blind spots, even fixed ideas, are still relative,
    and subject to change in the greater scheme of things.

    By giving the term the benefit of making it real, we only lend more power to it.
    It's the flow of time that ultimately decides.
    There is a price to pay, in the end, by those that perform evil actions.
    Goodness trumps evil.

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    I believe it is the opposite. True evil to me is consciously, intentionally, choosing an action (by definition, to benefit them) that the acter knows is harming others.

    Ignorance is ignorance. Only willful ignorance is "evil" in my book.

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    I don't believe evil is real because I believe if someone was truly free they would never choose to be evil because it would serve no purpose. Also, they would understand that evil actions only hurt themselves. An analogy I have is that if we are all truly one and someone knows this any evil action on another is an evil action on them self. I used to view everyone as another version of myself, and whenever I had negative thoughts towards others I would think: Why do I wish that upon another version of me?

    Also, if we are all eternal beings, evil can not harm us. It can only appear to harm you or slow you down or confuse you.

    The appearance of evil then comes from a lack of freedom, knowledge and control. Whenever I think negative(evil) thoughts I realize later its because I want to be in control of the pain this world appears to dish out.
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    Default Re: The Nature of Evil

    As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good. As as with light there are various degrees of evil.

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    Evil seems to be a repeating pattern it continues without resolution, some people gain from the nature of evil, but is this just a illusion or short time in nature?

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    Default Re: The Nature of Evil

    Evil is the ultimate perception of lack of love. Evil is darkness, because evil must protect itself from the light.

    Evil does not exist for the same reasons.

    Evil acts are a call for love.

    Therefore evil is illogical and cannot exist.

    IMHO
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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    Evil is the ultimate perception of lack of love. Evil is darkness, because evil must protect itself from the light.

    Evil does not exist for the same reasons.

    Evil acts are a call for love.

    Therefore evil is illogical and cannot exist.

    IMHO
    Indeed!! A dark room will be immediately illuminated by the smallest candle. Yet, darkness cannot exist,, AT ALL, in a room full of light. (something like that!)
    Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. Yoda....

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    Evil that exist is when one breaks natural law, what is natural law????

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    Evil is only a word. It means nothing anywhere else but on this planet. Being a word it has no nature only descriptionial values assigned by us ...
    Commonly it is used to describe negative vibrational morals and codes used throughout our vibrationaly neutral desiginated area of source..
    When living in a country with free thought, you'll find many do not feel the need to think.

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    Evil that exist is when one breaks natural law, what is natural law????

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    I don't think there is such a thing as natural law. Then again, to me when I think of natural law, I think of law of the jungle and I don't think this is what you mean.
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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)
    Evil is the ultimate perception of lack of love. Evil is darkness, because evil must protect itself from the light.

    Evil does not exist for the same reasons.

    Evil acts are a call for love.

    Therefore evil is illogical and cannot exist.

    IMHO
    Sorry man, IMHO this assumption is wrong, Evil is only a word, a word only used on this planet to describe negative vibrational codes and morals by us.

    As an example I would say the Sun is as evil as can be described, because it destroys and consumes atoms in its code of existance, it has no positive vibrational attributes to create, it does not need to, to exist. But during this destruction radiations are created from the matter it destroys, which other matter (which was in complete darkness) then reflects as light using it to create new life.. Light can be an absolute negative vibration only intent on destroying that which it comes in contact with.......

    We on this planet are completely lost and confused when using the terms light and darkness to describe good or evil, this is because of the last 5000 years of indoctrination on what is considered good and evil, two words which have no meaning anywhere but here... The universe is not good nore evil not light nore dark, it exists as a barier between negative and positive vibrational frequencies, we are the ones who deem what is moraly positive or negative giving each the term of light or dark..Therefore because of our existance both evil and good exist and thrive, because we give that designation..
    When living in a country with free thought, you'll find many do not feel the need to think.

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    Default Re: The Nature of Evil

    Dark and light inextricably co-exist and coalesce at the break of light and at the coming of dark..

    Something in that points to the acceptance that it is our awareness of how to be in the midst of each aspect is the key..

    for example fear itself is our greatest enemy.. and at the cusp of allowing it to envelope us.. we have the choice to take hold of our inner/outer resources so as to disallow it

    i.e... self-responsibility is the spark in the darkness the gradually grows and emits enough light to share and to spark others to be the same...

    The nature of 'good' and 'evil' begins at home.

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    Default Re: The Nature of Evil

    From my POV it is only the results due to selection from a perspective of limited view. When one's view of perception is severely handicapped, the resultant decisions / selections become "evil" to others (no matter the intention, so this part is very subjective). Thus evil is not a real thing that exists in a sense but a result of narrow perceptions.

    That said, there is another factor that effects this limited view that causes "evil" and that is the lack of belief in equality and rights of others. When this belief diminishes, the narrow perception becomes heavily warped, so that even when broadness of perception is restored, the view is twisted, resulting in the continuation of "evil" decisions / selections / actions; this is the less subjective part, because it requires the willingness of the person to remove their respect and care for others or their "conscience" as some might say.

    It is this simple to create an evil person if you have a hand in raising them, and their mind is not too resistant. I am sure many have been bred and raised with this formula for the purpose of creating some of the "leaders" we see in politics and royalty.

    At the end of the day if I were to put it in a formula, it would be "The results of limited perspective" that starts the downward spiral to "evil" actions.

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    Default Re: The Nature of Evil

    If the opposite of evil is good then perhaps looking at its description might help. So in terms of its opposite, evil, :

    Good is the ultimate perception of a healed mind. Good is light, because it extends outward to all.

    Good is real for the same reasons.

    Good acts are acts of love.

    Therefore goodness is love, and must always exist.
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