What if time is on our side?

[RUSirius]

I didn't know what to title this thread, so sorry if its misleading in anyway. Much is discussed about the NWO game plan and America being ground zero. I have no facts, just thoughts, as gripreaper has stated so accurately many times the game plan is here, the systems are probably completely in place and we should not talk about what is going on as if it is not already here. This thought arises because I will be living in the states soon. I've spent the last 3 years "prepping" in a third world country only to find myself going back to the place I left, thing is, its no different in this third world country, I can tell you first hand the NWO game plan and police state systems is in place and growing here as well with little to know resistance and seemingly total complacency and buy in, all seems to be falling in order. I've learned alot about hope in my life, and to a degree hope seems useless, no matter how much hope, if hope is all ones got than what will be will be regardless of what one hopes. In my game plan for moving back to the states and planning and timelining, you know, gotta get this done and that done and this done before that, I've recognized that all the planning and timelining I did to move away and what I thought would happen and when, was completely wrong, hands down, nothing like what I thought would happen, happened except for more news. So I asked myself what is the damn point since clearly I have no idea about what will happen and when, why stress so much over the planning, just do what needs to be done as it arises and dont sweat the rest. I must put myself in the place of "less thought" and more let be and do. Is this a case of cognitive dissonance? Or is this a big game of musical chairs where we just keep doin stuff until the music stops and then we either run for a chair or fall down? What if the music does not stop at all? Strange times abide indeed. I dont really have a point, or if I do, I'm not quite sure what it is yet, but feel free to comment if so compelled to do.

[donk]

I'm with you bro. Once you accept it is here, you realize that "the best laid plans..." Are usually a waste of time, or at least not what expected as far as outcome. That's why all you can do is live in the here & now, stay alert, and prepare yourself (by truly knowing yourself) to be able to "go with the flow"...wherever that may lead. While staying ever vigilant for any opportunities to make your reality a better place, for you and those around you. Much love, phil

[william r sanford72]

for me when i began to see the numbers 2 years ago..1111 1414 2020 444 111 1212 on and on every where on clocks..something happend right away...it smashed my conception of linear time..our slave clock...poof!!gone...i dont do timelines anymore cause o the numbers..that was the first lesson the numbers taught me...so sometimes you just gotta go with the flow..and adjust as bumps appear..trust your soul.it is a talking.listen.

[TargeT]

You can use a lot of "prepping" to just make your life more comfortable, healthy and independant.

That's the kind of prepping I'm interested in, Solar power, big gardens, maybe some animals... I think this is another good topic (as most things are) to apply moderation to.

but Stress over it? Nah, no point in that.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by RUSirius (here)
This thought arises because I will be living in the states soon. I've spent the last 3 years "prepping" in a third world country only to find myself going back to the place I left, thing is, its no different in this third world country, I can tell you first hand the NWO game plan and police state systems is in place and growing here as well with little to know resistance and seemingly total complacency and buy in, all seems to be falling in order.

Actually, there may be two aspects to your post -- which I think is a very thought provoking and interesting one.

1. Is it really safer anywhere else than in the US?
2. Do we have more time to 'prepare' than we think?

Yes, there's no one place in the world any more to hide out and ride out everything that might happen -- unless you're in the mountains of Bhutan (but even there, the Chinese border patrols might find you!), or on a South Pacific island where you'd have to live on fish and bananas for the rest of your life, completely cut off. The days have long gone where you could just move to Africa (as my own parents did after the war), and totally get away from it all.

Yes, electronic systems, traffic cameras, and a growing amount of bureaucratic documentation and paperwork are in place in Ecuador, too. The matrix is here as well. I understand that it's spreading all over, and there's no real escape.

But in Ecuador, they're not very good at processing their data: they often make big mistakes, there's a huge amount of inefficiency, and computer systems don't work properly or are not fully implemented. There's a lot of chaos, which is sometimes irritating -- but sometimes very helpful.

Because it's a small country, as well (where there really are a lot of good people, and I and my friends have found many of them), it's easy to find oneself talking personally to a senior decision-making official when trying to iron out a problem. Some of those officials have been heroic in their attempts to lend us a hand. Try doing that in the US -- it will not wok for the average man or woman. There is still a lot of humanity here.

Surveillance is a global issue. If you're on gmail or Facebook, whether you're in New York, Quito, Lagos or Delhi, it's all the same. It's all being read and captured.

For me, one reason I'm NOT in the US (although I have a perfectly valid visa and can be there quite legally) is that the worst-case scenario really is a heavy martial crackdown on the population after a series of staged events. There really are lists of targeted 'domestic extremists', and I'd certainly be on them, not too far from the top.

So would many others, of course, but becoming a martyr is not my game plan. I had already deliberately intended to stay well away from the melt-down and then assist in the recovery and rebuild (and offer leadership, clarity and direction if needed). One cannot do that from within a camp -- and the camps are real.

All that begs the question of whether this stuff will happen (and if so, when, which is the second part of your question). I'm not 100% certain that it will.

But I think it probably will, sometime in the next year. And it could be pretty nasty. I hope I'm wrong, and this is not an eat-my-hat bet. Miracles and transformations are possible. But I still have the spare tire in my trunk, and I think this is one of my missions this lifetime: to help with 'insurance' in case some bad things happen.

My pint-on-the-bar-room-table thoughts:

• Probably will = 80%.
• Could be pretty nasty = 40%.

"Nasty" here = a very major and traumatic 9-11 type event, troops in the streets, individuals interned without trial, closure (or serious limiting) of the net, etc.

I hope I'm wrong. But this might be what you're going back to, if you're returning to the US. And this won't happen in Ecuador, or Guyana.

To the second part of your question. How much time have we got?

The can keeps being kicked down the road. I'm a little surprised that we're here already (July 2013) with no global financial collapse, major war in the Middle East, or appalling false-flag event that kills thousands. This is not fear-mongering or neurosis. It's stark, look-it-in-the-face, carefully evaluated, courageous reality.

I often use the analogy that we're tracking Europe in the 1930s. We're watching Hitler carefully, many of our friends don't want to listen to our concerns, and some of us are planning to leave Germany and Poland before it's too late.

I used to say that it's like 1938. Now, I find myself saying it's like 1937-38. That might give us an extra six months.

But if any Jewish friends I knew in London told me they were planning to return to Berlin, I'd say: don't do it.

[CD7]

Great point!! I think its important to get the idea across tht EVERYWHERE we are dealing with the same 8 legged octopus. The drawn lines in the sand really are no boundary for what WE are all experiencing in varying degrees.

To contemplate and worry about a "future event" is fruitless as things are changing IN THE MOMENT all the time....

However a lot of us on here and other places who are paying attention may be more prepared then say those who haven't given it a thought at all----In my perspective its more of a consciousness preparation more then anything else..


So WELCOME to this side of the ship again

[write4change]

I consider Bill's post a realistic analysis in which my experience coincides deep in the heart of rural bs Texas.

[william r sanford72]

i am with Bill..as far as feeling like i need to be here..not as a martyr.but to help if i can after.also camps..everyone .i mean everyone in this house has had dreams of these camps..not even dreams..something altogather differant.i have seen these camps..what they could become.comparing this current timeline ..and the usa with the jewish people leaving before the ****e hit the fan..the ones that didnt listen..or refused the truth of the nazi agenda..is spot on scary.and a hella example to hit home what is and could come to this reality.

[indigopete]

I'm living in northern Spain at the moment.

Despite being quite a NWO, "Euro-friendly" country, I must say there is a healthy distrust of authority here.

Or, if I put it another way, the people that staff the authorities (like the cops) are probably not all that reliable if it came to implementing a "crackdown".

It's only 40 years since they had a proper fascist government of their own and I don't think they're too keen to repeat the experience just yet.

<VERY TRIVIAL EXAMPLE>
I live in a block. The phone was acting up. The junction box for the block is outside at street level and regularly gets "pummelled" by the market vans that line up there on a Saturday. My broadband speed tests had dropped to about 1.5 Gbit and had become unbearable for a web addict like me.

I went downstairs, out to the street and spent a couple of hours pairing the wires and fixing the box. During that time about 4 police cars stopped and asked me what I was up to. I told them the story and they promptly offered their sympathy, told me to try not to electrocute myself and went on their way.

If that had been the UK (my native country) or the Netherlands (a friend of mine's native country) I'm sure I would have been interrogated on the basis of some anti-terrorism law or something and prevented form continuing.
</VERY TRIVIAL EXAMPLE>

Another thing is airport security and passport control - they are laid back. When I go back to the Scotland (my native country) it's all microwave booths and 2 layers of detectives. Here it's just a friendly nod.

There are very few CCTV cameras here. People would just never put up with the levels of surveillance that goes on in Northern Europe. It's something that they immediately notice and associate with an authoritarian, surveillance oriented regime, not with public safety. (That's the job of families .

Although political corruption is endemic, the thing about it is that everyone's at it, so it's not so easy to control by the PTB (in my opinion that is) as when you've got a nice, highly organised, hierarchical society.

Finally, if the worst comes to the worst and as long as your not in a jail, you can always go to the beach and forget about the NWO for a while. Probably the most effective way for the authorities to create the most almighty, universally subscribed peoples backlash would be to stop them from doing that

[giovonni]

No matter where you go your always with yourself ...
i have found when i work on myself first (adjust within) ...
Then wherever i am physically (in time) i feel good about things to come ...

[4evrneo]

One of my favorite sayings is "Live like water" and if I can find the story behind it I will post it. But, for quite some time I had been wanting to leave the US and now that the possibility looks dim I am learning some useful skills to keep me busy and prepared...Learning gardening, and how to build a strawbale home/shelter is on my current curriculum. And possibly moving this December to Colorado, away from the city in Phoenix...

Good luck to you and


"Live like water"



Going with the Flow
A Taoist story tells of an old man who accidentally fell into the river rapids leading to a high and dangerous waterfall. Onlookers feared for his life. Miraculously, he came out alive and unharmed downstream at the bottom of the falls. People asked him how he managed to survive.
"I accommodated myself to the water, not the water to me. Without thinking, I allowed myself to be shaped by it. Plunging into the swirl, I came out with the swirl. This is how I survived."

[Ernie Nemeth]

When I first read what you said, I thought of a few critical moments in my life when I felt fed up with the prevalent thinking. The first time it was ESP - and I gave it up. The next one was science and its standard model - and I gave that up too. Then there was the new spiritual movement - eventually, I gave that up as well. Then came the conspriracy venue - yup, pretty much done. And the self-improvement continues...soon there will be only me and my thoughts, at this rate - then that will be gone too.

[skippy]

Interesting thread. I would like to add to the discussion the hypothesis that nobody is in control. For sure, a few are trying to seek control (or organise some sort of dammage control the day after the SHTF) but the sand is slipping between their fingers and they know it. An island +/- 20 km from the continent is probably to best place to seek refuge (or a cave somewhere in Ecuador or Peru :-). Let's collect funds and buy an island.. This is not a joke..

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ubDnEWHkjBc

[good point]

Posted by RUSirius (here)
Is this a case of cognitive dissonance?

'Dissonance is patriotic' is a phrase I read on a shirt a person was wearing once.

[spiritguide]

Regardless of outcome or time, any moment in existence will be the call heard to assist those in need. Mortality is just a detour in this trip called eternity. Bring it on, I'm ready for righteousness. IMHO

Peace be with you!

[RUSirius]

Hey Bill 80% and 40%, you could be right, however 20% and 60% are pretty good odds as well, such interesting and non-interesting times all at the same time. I'll wait and move and see.

[RMorgan]

Posted by RUSirius (here)
Hey Bill 80% and 40%, you could be right, however 20% and 60% are pretty good odds as well, such interesting and non-interesting times all at the same time. I'll wait and move and see.

Hey brother,

I know how you feel.

Honestly, do whatever you want...Don´t allow your life to be controlled by rumors and fear porn.

There´s simply no way to know...Guessing possibilities ratios is a waste of time; There are so many dynamic variables that it´s impossible to know them all, let alone calculating what may or may not happen.

You may very well spend your whole life as a prepper just to eventually die of old age without ever witnessing the expected disastrous events...Or you might find yourself right in the middle of Armageddon without ever expecting it.

So, my advice is to enjoy life. If you´re happy right there where you are, stay. If you feel like you´ll be happier somewhere else, move.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by 4evrneo (here)
"Live like water"

Going with the Flow
A Taoist story tells of an old man who accidentally fell into the river rapids leading to a high and dangerous waterfall. Onlookers feared for his life. Miraculously, he came out alive and unharmed downstream at the bottom of the falls. People asked him how he managed to survive.
"I accommodated myself to the water, not the water to me. Without thinking, I allowed myself to be shaped by it. Plunging into the swirl, I came out with the swirl. This is how I survived."

Like this, right?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IZUeFzuK6LM

[Justintime]

Posted by RUSirius (here)
I didn't know what to title this thread, so sorry if its misleading in anyway. Much is discussed about the NWO game plan and America being ground zero. I have no facts, just thoughts, as gripreaper has stated so accurately many times the game plan is here, the systems are probably completely in place and we should not talk about what is going on as if it is not already here. This thought arises because I will be living in the states soon. I've spent the last 3 years "prepping" in a third world country only to find myself going back to the place I left, thing is, its no different in this third world country, I can tell you first hand the NWO game plan and police state systems is in place and growing here as well with little to know resistance and seemingly total complacency and buy in, all seems to be falling in order. I've learned alot about hope in my life, and to a degree hope seems useless, no matter how much hope, if hope is all ones got than what will be will be regardless of what one hopes. In my game plan for moving back to the states and planning and timelining, you know, gotta get this done and that done and this done before that, I've recognized that all the planning and timelining I did to move away and what I thought would happen and when, was completely wrong, hands down, nothing like what I thought would happen, happened except for more news. So I asked myself what is the damn point since clearly I have no idea about what will happen and when, why stress so much over the planning, just do what needs to be done as it arises and dont sweat the rest. I must put myself in the place of "less thought" and more let be and do. Is this a case of cognitive dissonance? Or is this a big game of musical chairs where we just keep doin stuff until the music stops and then we either run for a chair or fall down? What if the music does not stop at all? Strange times abide indeed. I dont really have a point, or if I do, I'm not quite sure what it is yet, but feel free to comment if so compelled to do.

I may be in the minority on this website, but I do not believe there is a NWO or an OWO or anything of that nature. I would just say there is a ruling elite ( a small group of rulers who are very very very rich and want to keep it that way). That being said I think the ruling elite have it just as good now as they have ever had it and want more and more and more subjects to rule and exploit. So the rounding up of people to put in reeducation camps, population reduction, taking away the second amendment, chipping people, establishing a one world government, I'm just not buying any of this. It's all unnecessary to further their agenda of making money. In fact some of it is counterproductive to making money. If I was part of the ruling elite I would want to rule as many dumb and desperate people as possible. And guess what, the USA already is ground zero for desperate and stupid breeders.

[RUSirius]

Posted by Justintime (here)

I may be in the minority on this website, but I do not believe there is a NWO or an OWO or anything of that nature

You may be correct my friend, however I can assure you we speak about the same people, just different words for them.