Best shot: move to Bhutan or Ecuador

[jiminii]

they are both remote and high places ... just wondering which will give me the greatest enlightenment ...

any ideas

jim

[Bill Ryan]

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Bhutan, for sure. The last paradise on Earth!

But immigration there is very difficult. Tourists must spend $200-250 a day when they're in the country and if they can't produce receipts, have to pay up the calculated amount at the airport upon departure.

That was a very clever way (proposed to the King several years ago by the Senior Lamas, who advise him) to limit the impact of foreign visitors while at the same time bringing in valuable foreign exchange.

Ecuador is a different story. It's far from the kind of idyllic spiritual Kingdom that Bhutan is, but still offers a great deal to 'westerners' (northerners!). See these threads more details:

Where's Bill Ryan?

What if time is on our side?

[RMorgan]

Hey Jim,

Well, in my opinion, you can find amazing places to live practically on every country in the world.

As Bill said, moving to Buthan is not easy. I´m not sure how the immigration process works up there, but I heard it´s very difficult indeed. They are not selling their land to gringos like they do in South America.

Also, Buthan is very isolated from the rest of the world. If you´re used to modern life´s comforts and benefits, then you might have a hard time there.

Personally I would move to a nice countryside place that´s close enough to a major urban center, so it gets easy to enjoy the benefits of modern society whenever they´re needed...In fact, this is exactly what I´ll be doing just a couple of weeks from now.

About enlightenment, well, I guess it´s much more of an internal thing. Wherever you decide to move, you would still have to deal with yourself and the several personal challenges necessary to achieve it.

Independently of where you decide to move, you, in relation to yourself, are always in the same place.

Raf.

[donk]

I have to say: Ecuador is birthplace of the sexiest women I know

[Watching from Cyprus]

Sorry Bill, but it seems that you are a bit disappointed with Ecuador, and as Bhutan is requiring a spending limits per day, this has nothing to do with spirituality.
My plan is Bolivia if one day in reach for me and my family. Every country on the planet is controlled, with no exception. Certain places within certain countries are maybe less controlled, but the more people who goes there, the less peace there will be if they bring their electronic equipment... Summarizing the whole thing. The majority of humans on this planet are completely controlled by the energy of money, and that is what we have to rid ourselves of to get to the next stage. Anywhere it requires money to survive is an elite controlled community since banks are around. Humanity in general are lost already and stop dreaming about the contrary. Just look around you and tell me what you see! The jungle is dangerous but might be a safe place and so might it be along mountain lakes where there are no electronic communication systems.
I don't love you all, only the ones who deserve it :-)
Peter

[TargeT]

I'm pretty happy in the Virgin Islands, but I think its less about where you are; if indeed enlightenment is what you seek.

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

About enlightenment, well, I guess it´s much more of an internal thing. Wherever you decide to move, you would still have to deal with yourself and the several personal challenges necessary to achieve it.

Independently of where you decide to move, you, in relation to yourself, are always in the same place.

Raf.

Good post Raf. That last part reminded me of the old 60's saying: "No matter where you go, there you are."

[Camilo]

I would say Ecuador is a fairly nice place to live. Spirituality and enlightenment are in you and will blossom at the right time where ever you happen to be.

[Camilo]

Posted by Watching from Cyprus (here)
Sorry Bill, but it seems that you are a bit disappointed with Ecuador, and as Bhutan is requiring a spending limits per day, this has nothing to do with spirituality.
My plan is Bolivia if one day in reach for me and my family. Every country on the planet is controlled, with no exception. Certain places within certain countries are maybe less controlled, but the more people who goes there, the less peace there will be if they bring their electronic equipment... Summarizing the whole thing. The majority of humans on this planet are completely controlled by the energy of money, and that is what we have to rid ourselves of to get to the next stage. Anywhere it requires money to survive is an elite controlled community since banks are around. Humanity in general are lost already and stop dreaming about the contrary. Just look around you and tell me what you see! The jungle is dangerous but might be a safe place and so might it be along mountain lakes where there are no electronic communication systems.
I don't love you all, only the ones who deserve it :-)
Peter

Do some research about Bolivia, as "westerners (northerners!)" are not welcome there, even more after the recent incident with the presidential plane in Europe, which created a lot of resentment in all of South America.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Watching from Cyprus (here)
it seems that you are a bit disappointed with Ecuador

Not disappointed at all! Click here:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post667705

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Posted by Yvonne (here)
Is Bill OK??

He's fine.

Not too far away from this very beautiful place (but several thousand feet lower) -- in Ecuador. Watching world events closely, and getting prepared.

But you're right about the incursion of 'western' values and commercial intrusion into almost every developing country. As I shared in this thread here, this is almost unavoidable anywhere.

---> What if time is on our side?

Where to live in the world is to a certain degree a 'least worst' judgment. There are quite a few South American countries which are viable contenders. There's lots of room for everyone... in the event (as is possible) that tens of thousands of Americans, and maybe Canadians and Europeans too, decide to relocate if things really start getting rough.

[Observer1964]

I dont think moving anywhere makes a difference, and probably youre even off worse wtshtf.
You will be that rich outsider that nobody thinks twice of robbing when the law is gone and hunger is there.
And then what...

My country will also be no good, but at least I am not an outsider and I speak the same language.

And if fortune selects me to survive I will be in the right place wtshtf, if not, than what does it matter where my dead body comes to rest... I wont be in it anymore.

[ulli]

Posted by jiminii (here)
they are both remote and high places ... just wondering which will give me the greatest enlightenment ...

any ideas

jim

If you are looking for enlightenment it might never happen.
It appears with a feeling of freedom which comes the moment one jumps over one's own shadow...
and that can be anywhere.

But why are you asking, Jim?
I thought you were already pretty much an enlightened guy....

[CD7]

WHaT!!! MR Consciousness himself is asking for a physical place for enlightenment?! HAhahahahhahahaaaaaaa!

Don't get your panties in a bunch--you made me laugh

[ulli]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by RMorgan (here)

About enlightenment, well, I guess it´s much more of an internal thing. Wherever you decide to move, you would still have to deal with yourself and the several personal challenges necessary to achieve it.

Independently of where you decide to move, you, in relation to yourself, are always in the same place.

Raf.

Good post Raf. That last part reminded me of the old 60's saying: "No matter where you go, there you are."

So true. And you always take your mind with you, wherever you go.
Enlightenment is when one can put the mind into overdrive until it explodes...
then what's left is pure consciousness in free flight.

[skippy]

But why Ecuador? As Raf said there are so many other places to go. Why this focus on Ecuador?

[Limor Wolf]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)
they are both remote and high places ... just wondering which will give me the greatest enlightenment ...

any ideas

jim

If you are looking for enlightenment it might never happen.
It appears with a feeling of freedom which comes the moment one jumps over one's own shadow...
and that can be anywhere.

But why are you asking, Jim?
I thought you were already pretty much an enlightened guy....

Maybe the word jim meant is really enjoyment, since as much as enlightenment knocks on our (inner) doors, we also would like a supportive place on the outside.
Environment provides as much frequencies (food for the enlightened soul) as our own inner creations of thoughts and perceptions, and if and when it is complementing our inner environments then it's a win hands down

[GoodETxSG]

Ecuador cannot be too bad if so many who are retiring, leaving the crumbling USA for various reasons (Including members of the CABAL buying up Hectares of land).

In my experience politics and regimes change so often in Central American Countries that long term stability and concept of "Ownership" of property (Land/Homestead) would be an issue. But honestly I haven't put in the research like Bill has so I cannot put out a fully educated up or down statement.

It is a gamble at this point to stay in the US even if you buy land, do all the prepping to hold out for the house of cards to fall or to move to a foreign land, out of your element and away from "Home Field Advantage" if there is such a thing anymore.

I guess your individual economic, age, family situation really dictates how you need to plan out your safe place to wait out the crash of the western cabal and the aftershock... and then the time it takes to get commerce moving again under a new economic system. It is a big decision and it is good that people are thinking and planning NOW.
IMHO...

[CD7]

I say you move to florida right dab next to the ocean---I mean a stone throw away...COME ON LIVE ALITTLE!!!

And by the way if I stop posting for a realllllllyyyy long time, I may be underwater

[RMorgan]

Posted by skippy (here)
But why Ecuador? As Raf said there are so many other places to go. Why this focus on Ecuador?

Well, this is a good question indeed.

Gringos are always looking for the most beautiful and most inexpensive places to live.

This migration movement is basically of predatory nature. Gringos who decide to move to South America do it for selfish reasons most of the times, taking advantage of their stronger currency´s buying power and of the naivety of the locals.

They don´t move here to actually contribute with the local community´s welfare...They move here to enjoy a perpetual vacation, not to work hard to improve the local quality of life. Most of the times they don´t even mix with the locals, creating their own communities which are nothing more than an extension of their own countries with cheaper labor and living costs...Sometimes they live in a place for more than a decade and don´t even make efforts to learn the language.

Anyway, when such migratory trends are established, it leads to the local increase of real state price and consequently the inflation of the local economy...So, when a place is already saturated with gringos, things start to get really expensive and then they find somewhere else to move...This already happened everywhere in South America and now I guess it´s Ecuador´s time to experience it.

The problem is that most of the times these immigrants behave like locusts...They are often disguised as new age peaceful types, but most of them are nothing more than selfish vampires who do everything in their power to suck the local community´s blood until the last drop.

Unfortunately, the local community always end up paying the price...That´s why gringos are not really welcomed in a lot of places here in South America anymore.

So, answering your question, Ecuador is a beautiful country with welcoming immigration laws, it´s still a relatively inexpensive place to live and to buy property and the locals are still relatively naive and easily seduced by dollars.

Raf.

[Limor Wolf]

Posted by CD7 (here)
I say you move to florida right dab next to the ocean---I mean a stone throw away...COME ON LIVE ALITTLE!!!

And by the way if I stop posting for a realllllllyyyy long time, I may be underwater

To live ALITTLE or to live longer, now that's the question.
To be or not to be.. blah blah