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    I wanted to bring some awareness to what is happening in Russia. Serious human rights are being violated.

    Putin has signed into law on June 30 (1) the "gay propaganda" bill, banning gay pride marches and the possibility of being sent to prison for talking to a child about gay issues or that gay people even exist. He has described "gay propaganda" as pornography.

    Quote The law is broad and vague, so that any teacher who tells students that homosexuality is not evil, any parents who tell their child that homosexuality is normal, or anyone who makes pro-gay statements deemed accessible to someone underage is now subject to arrest and fines.
    (2) Another law that could send gay (or "pro-gay") tourists visiting Russia to prison, including touring musicians, artists or athletes (Russia is to host the Winter Olympics this year).

    (3) Banning the adoption of Russian-born children to same sex couples or single parent of a country where marriage equality exists.

    Quote Finally, it is rumored that Mr. Putin is about to sign an edict that would remove children from their own families if the parents are either gay or lesbian or suspected of being gay or lesbian. The police would have the authority to remove children from adoptive homes as well as from their own biological parents.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/22/op...down.html?_r=0
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3581217.html

    This can not be tolerated. Peoples lives are in serious danger.

    A facebook group has been set up urging people to boycott Russian Vodka. Please, if you have a facebook account follow the link, like and share. Spread awareness of this issue. If you are a Vodka drinker, please boycott Russian Vodka, for now, until Putin comes to his senses.

    https://www.facebook.com/BoycottRussianVodka?ref=stream


    Maybe with global awareness the lives of gay, lesbian and transgendered people in Russia could have a brighter future. For me, the worst part of this atrocity is the children that are discovering and coming to terms with their own sexuality. They will have no one to talk to as it is now against the law to talk to a child about issues relating to being gay. How horrible it will be for those kids having no one to turn to and at a time in their life when they really need it and in my opinion that amounts to cruelty.

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    Now we can't have a person loving another person can we ??? a war march thats okay ...
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    I liked the idea about Russian Vodka...LOL

    Sure Putin is scary!

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    What do you like about it?

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    Actually I find the idea silly. There is no way the boycott helps the situation. That's it!

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    And this is the sort of thing that happens when the media and government create the environment where despicable, hate-filled vigilantism springs up unhindered and where the authorities turn a blind eye.

    In this case they don't even seem to have some religious objection - just an obscene excuse to torture and humiliate.

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    Hmmm I bet there won't be a report on RT about this!

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    Now that is interesting. A law that prohibits human's from being gay.
    What an interesting way to generate fear.

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    Quote Posted by Star Tsar (here)
    Hmmm I bet there won't be a report on RT about this!

    Precisely - you probably won't!

    And when that nut-case Mugabe threatens to behead homosexuals is there any wonder the hard of thinking go round looking to beat up or kill people they perceive as gay or lesbian?

    Some of the world is drifting back into the Dark Ages, while most of Europe, Australasia and the Americas are more enlightened and seriously consider or even implement equal marriage.

    And I can't understand all that religious nonsense about homosexuality bringing about the destruction of society/civilisation/mankind. With a population of 7bn and climbing, I think Mother Earth could do with encouraging 'non-breeders' for the foreseeable future.

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    Now that is interesting. A law that prohibits human's from being gay.
    What an interesting way to generate fear.

    I just wanted to expand on the above post. It is often hard to communicate our thoughts with words.

    In Russia, it is interesting that they passed a law that prohibits human's from being gay.
    From my guess, Russia is using fear tactics on it's population to keep them suspicious (fearful) of each other.

    Even if.....there were not a single gay living in Russia, everyone would be looking at each other for signs of gayness and afraid of what others might think about them.

    What an interesting illusion.. we do find ourselves living in.

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    Wrong wrong!!! He is just stopping the promotion of gay/lesbian stuff in schools. He is trying to stop the unnecessarily early sexualisation of young children. He is not banning gay/lesbian people, just the promotion of that lifestyle to young children, until they can decide for themselves.
    I am fed up with the pornographication by MSM for kids now. Tiny children dressed in almost adult-wear - high heels at 3-4!!! Make-up. It's destroying their innocence and inviting predatory behaviour. Thanks to MSM (who are promoting this rubbish) we should switch off! Why are the MSM doing this? Ghastly thoughts by vile and corrupted minds...... Jimmy Saville would be proud of his 'achievements'....
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    Wrong wrong!!! He is just stopping the promotion of gay/lesbian stuff in schools. He is trying to stop the unnecessarily early sexualisation of young children. He is not banning gay/lesbian people, just the promotion of that lifestyle to young children, until they can decide for themselves.
    Some folks here are a bit suspicious of the laws that governments make, especially laws that target groups.

    Historically there are similar situations that started this kind of education at the school level.

    me...I have absolutely no solution, I am just expressing what I observe.


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    Quote Posted by avid (here)
    Wrong wrong!!! He is just stopping the promotion of gay/lesbian stuff in schools. He is trying to stop the unnecessarily early sexualisation of young children. He is not banning gay/lesbian people, just the promotion of that lifestyle to young children, until they can decide for themselves.
    I am fed up with the pornographication by MSM for kids now. Tiny children dressed in almost adult-wear - high heels at 3-4!!! Make-up. It's destroying their innocence and inviting predatory behaviour. Thanks to MSM (who are promoting this rubbish) we should switch off! Why are the MSM doing this? Ghastly thoughts by vile and corrupted minds...... Jimmy Saville would be proud of his 'achievements'....
    I tend to agree to this.
    I also think it is wrong to promote gay lifestyles or the idea that being gay is the norm, I dont think that being gay is totally unnatural, but it isnt the norm or the nature of things...
    even more wrong I think is to allow gay ppl to adopt children. That is to much of a wrong example to young kids and can easily screw their minds.
    example;
    Quote Lesbian Parents Put Their Eight-Year-Old Boy Through a Sex Change
    by CASSY on MAY 10, 2013

    (Thomas/Tammy sure looks happy now huh?)

    Most rational human beings understand that a young child does not have the wisdom and maturity needed to make decisions that will affect them for the rest of their life. After all, a kid can barely make up their mind on what their favorite color is, or what movie they like best, let alone huge life choices. So it is the job of a parent to help guide the child, and make big decisions for them. After all, would a parent let their child choose what new job Mommy or Daddy will take? What city they’re going to move to? Which school to attend? Of course not. Parents are expected to intervene and lay down the law.

    A notable exception is the rare parent who will allow their children to go through a sex change as young as eight. Because, hey, an eight-year-old is totally mature enough to know that they want to change their gender for the rest of their life, right? They might change their mind every other day on literally everything else, but oh no — they’re sure about this.

    With that, read on about a California boy whose lesbian parents decided to let him begin a sex change at the young age of eight.

    Quote The lesbian parents of an 11-year-old boy who is undergoing the process of becoming a girl last night defended the decision, claiming it was better for a child to have a sex change when young.

    Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy.

    The mothers say that one of the first things Thomas told them when he learned sign language aged three – because of a speech impediment – was, ‘I am a girl’.

    At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, psychiatrists diagnosed Thomas with gender identity disorder. By the age of eight, he began transitioning.
    It couldn’t possibly be because he’s being raised by two women, could it?

    The entire reason they claim their child wanted to be a girl was because, well, he said so. So what about a child who wants to be a car? Or a bird? Or a dinosaur? I mean, hey, that’s who they were meant to be, right? So why not fulfill their delusions so they can be happy? Nevermind that an elementary schooler is going to undergo a huge life-changing decision. It’s what they say they want, and a parent couldn’t possibly say no, right?
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    I also think it is wrong to promote gay lifestyles or the idea that being gay is the norm, I dont think that being gay is totally unnatural, but it isnt the norm or the nature of things...
    I think this discussion could get interesting?

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    This make it look as if two lesbians want to force a sex change on their adopted boy.

    This is not the case. No doctor would allow such a dreadful act. This is the sort of barbaric thing Dr Mengele would have done to his inmates.

    There is more to the story.

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    It helps the situation by bringing awareness to it. It's not going to topple the Putin regime, obviously. But the point is something had to be done. It's being proactive. I, for one can't turn a blind eye.

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    @ Avid; you wrote: "Wrong wrong!!! He is just stopping the promotion of gay/lesbian stuff in schools. He is trying to stop the unnecessarily early sexualisation of young children."

    What you wright is wrong wrong!!! Read the articles I posted in my original post to find out more!!!

    Then you wrote: "He is not banning gay/lesbian people, just the promotion of that lifestyle to young children"

    Would you mind tell me what "the gay lifestyle" is? Honestly, I have no idea. Lifestyle, to me, suggests a choice. As far as I'm aware, no one has ever chosen to be gay. People are born gay, ergo no choice. And in your mind do all gay men and women live this same "lifestyle". Just curious.

    Next you wrote: "I am fed up with the pornographication by MSM for kids now"

    And so you should be but what has that got to do with being gay?

    Then, your final comment of "Ghastly thoughts by vile and corrupted minds...... Jimmy Saville would be proud of his 'achievements".

    Again, wtf has this got to do with being gay? Honestly, I found your post borderline homophobic.

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    @ Observer1964; you wrote: "I also think it is wrong to promote gay lifestyles or the idea that being gay is the norm, I dont think that being gay is totally unnatural, but it isnt the norm or the nature of things...
    even more wrong I think is to allow gay ppl to adopt children. That is to much of a wrong example to young kids and can easily screw their minds."

    This is not borderline homophobic, this is downright homophobic. What is the norm, in you opinion? I do not quite understand what you mean by "the norm" or "the nature of things". Maybe you could expand on this, please.

    Every same sex parent family I know that have children, let me tell you, the children's head's are definitely not screwed with. Of the few same sex parent families I know personally in Ireland, the children are confident, well adjusted and happy kids. I think these families are trailblazing, brave families, definitely. But, it's the future. In my world and in the world of many many people alive today there is no such thing as the "norm". And in my opinion the problem isn't that gay people exist and that they want to have families. The problem is the people standing in their way. Like Putin, and Mugabe and their ilk...

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    Quote Posted by Nick Matkin (here)
    This make it look as if two lesbians want to force a sex change on their adopted boy.

    This is not the case. No doctor would allow such a dreadful act. This is the sort of barbaric thing Dr Mengele would have done to his inmates.

    There is more to the story.
    Problem is that we cant verify what is what or how it would have been if the child would have been raised by a natural couple.
    I know my oldest son at age 8 was not busy with sexuality or being boy or girl, but with toys and computergames.

    anyway, I am not anti gay, but anti gay-promotion, just as I am anti sex-promotion in open media or commercial signs. For me it has to do with decency, not depicting humans as sextoys, even if they themselves dont mind.

    on a side note, I do have homosexual friends, a man and a woman, brother and sister, and had some really good times with them, even been to a gay-party (together with my wife) at the party were mostly ppl from the islamic world so I do understand the problems they had in their home-country, and I am happy for them that they can live their life freely here.

    On a spiritual view, I believe in reincarnation and that we incarnate a number of lives as man, and a number of lives as woman and believe the first live we live as man or woman, our souls still are to much used to be the other sex and still feel attracted to what used to be the opposite sex and thus become homosexual. So we all (as souls) have lives in wich we are homosexual.
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    @ Observer1964;
    This is not borderline homophobic, this is downright homophobic. What is the norm, in you opinion? I do not quite understand what you mean by "the norm" or "the nature of things". Maybe you could expand on this, please.
    The Norm is that only 2 ppl of opposit sex can have children, so a child should also be growing up in a normal (man and woman) family situation, even if the child itself (him or her) turns out to be homosexual.
    2 man cant produce a child nor 2 woman can produce a child, so they should not be allowed to adopt either. very simple. and no offence to gay ppl intended.

    If a lesbian couple want a child, one of them can have sex with a man so i dont really object to that, but not allowing them to adopt.

    for the rest I think I made myself clear enough, and I am not homophobic.
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