Did Jesus Really exist?

[marlowe]

I have watched this video and others on the same topic...you can google "was Jesus Caesar.youtube "and get more information..
I'm not trying to stir up trouble . All I ask is that you not post on this thread

unless you have watched the first 25 minutes of the video.

I decided to make the title of this thread an in your face challenge.....because I believe

any logical ,realistic person will see that ,in FACT,Jesus never existed...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wwfY069iPVI

[markpierre]

Posted by marlowe (here)
.....because I 'believe'

any logical ,realistic person will see that ,in FACT,Jesus never existed...

in 'another theory', Jesus never existed... The mythical Jesus, certainly not. That one is a myth.

So what's the criteria for logical and realistic? That what you see and interpret is all there is?
Or that what someone else sees and interprets is good enough for you?

[ThePythonicCow]

Does this show that Jesus did not exist, or does it show that much of the story of Jesus told of in the Catholic Bible is adapted from the biography of Julius Caesar?

I suspect the latter, and I suspect that the Bible as we know it now was composed sometime after the life of Jesus, for more earthly purposes of the Roman Empire.

I also suspect that a real Jesus Christ existed, whose story is not well represented in the Bible. Perhaps for example the real Mary Magdalene had a child by Jesus Christ, and perhaps the knowledge and beliefs they held have been passed down through the ages, via such groups as the Knights Templar.

So perhaps a more accurate title for this thread would be "The Biblical story of Jesus Christ is partly that of Julius Caesar."

[marlowe]

Posted by marlowe (here)
All I ask is that you not post on this thread

unless you have watched the first 25 minutes of the video.

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As usual posters judge the book by the cover,,,They think the KNOW what is in the video without watching it....

no poster thus far has watched the first 25 minutes......same as it ever was,,,,

[marlowe]

Posted by markpierre (here)

Posted by marlowe (here)
.....because I 'believe'

any logical ,realistic person will see that ,in FACT,Jesus never existed...

in 'another theory', Jesus never existed...

A proven idea is not a theory...It's a fact........The fact is that Jesus never existed....Seeing is believing....the ex priest SHOWS ....he isn't sitting there talking how he never existed...He Shows how....That is why I won't summarize it for you.....you have to SEE IT..

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by marlowe (here)
As usual posters judge the book by the cover,,,They think the KNOW what is in the video without watching it....

no poster thus far has watched the first 25 minutes......same as it ever was,,,,

I had watched the first 27 minutes when I made my post above, and now I have watched it all.

I stand by my post above.

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P.S. -- If you are dismayed that people misjudge a book by its cover, then perhaps a better cover is called for?

[ROMANWKT]

Here is a video posted recently By our Bill, its interesting, but not conclusive, of JC, Jesus Christ, or of Julies Caesar.

Re: Bible Topics and Questions

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post704782

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=y3fywVlTB98

Commenting on content of videos not seen fully, is no comment, just assumption.

Pre-Existing-Data-Christianized(1).pdf

Parallels-Between-Jesus-And-Horus(1).pdf


Astro theology, astrological gods, go back thousands of years before Christianity.

We are Still stuck on lies and deception, when oh when oh when?





Regards

roman

[markpierre]

Posted by marlowe (here)

Posted by markpierre (here)

Posted by marlowe (here)
.....because I 'believe'

any logical ,realistic person will see that ,in FACT,Jesus never existed...

in 'another theory', Jesus never existed...

A proven idea is not a theory...It's a fact........The fact is that Jesus never existed....Seeing is believing....the ex priest SHOWS ....he isn't sitting there talking how he never existed...He Shows how....That is why I won't summarize it for you.....you have to SEE IT..

The Jesus of myth never existed, and they found another way to prove it. They could have asked me. Myths are myths. Absolutely.
The myth was not the fact of the matter, and neither is the myths exposure.
I watched the whole bloody thing, but only out of respect to you.

From Hebrew to Greek it becomes Iēsous. The English spelling for Iēsous is Jesus. Yeshua, Yosef's son.
A real guy, that had a mission here. Same way that you have a mission here.

Great Rabi. Even loved and regarded by Mohammad and all over India, in quite different ways than Christianity does.
And regarded now among most masters and initiates of any true calling as 'the Master'. And he works directly with most true healers,
if you know anything about that crowd. Healing really was a gift he had.

There's more in standard history about his father and his brother, but it wasn't a very interesting place to the real historians.
The guy these geniuses were debunking was never real, an invention largely of the ever popular Saint Paul the usurper.
Paul's views are a bit more well known than those of Jesus, and curiously different.

And these guys should have known all that. Whatever they discovered changed them somehow, hopefully to not be so gullible.

And because he was Spirit, like you and I, people can meet and communicate with him directly, and they do.
Whoever wants to. Not many.
That's a different guy than you and they are talking about.
A real one.

[Justintime]

When two billion people believe something is true, it doesn't matter much if its real, its real in its effects.

[ulli]

This investigation is also a sign of what is going on in a Catholic country like Spain today...
which has had enough of the century-old charade perpetrated on the people by the Church...
And they want to get to the bottom of things.
Maybe by bringing out this truth they will redeem themselves for the Spanish Inquisition.

The real Christ did exist, and his teachings were practiced already for one thousand years by the Essenes.
The Dead Sea Scrolls showed as much.

[seeker/reader]

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[Prodigal Son]

I believe there was a Yehoshua Ben Yosef who lived among the Essenes. In the Bible it says he was a Nazarene but the town did not exist at the time. In other scriptures there are references to the "Sect of the Nazarenes". Bottom line, there was a Gnostic awakening going on at the time, in an attempt to free humanity from the grips of the Cabal, and the story had to be covered up. It is very effective in controlling the masses if they believe in an a personal God/Savior, but once the lid is blown off that, then the next best thing is to put out disinfo that the entire story is made up and therefore meaningless.

The metaphor of Christ is portraying a message that applies to all of us. The Cosmic Christ is very real and is built into the fabric of the cosmos. The personal story of Jesus, if it is only a historical account of one man who died for the sins of humanity, is meaningless. It's only purpose is to cut you off from your own inner Christ.

Just my opinion, but I think this should be obvious to all of us by now.

[Billy]

Hi Marlowe. just after the 25min mark in the video it mentions that his research is a theory and not a fact as title of this thread stated.

Also so far the video has not stated as you have in the title that Jesus never existed.

There are many myths of many great people throughout history before the times of Jesus that have been born of virgin births, preached knowledge to the multitudes, died then resurrected after 3 days. They all have a connection to the Sun and the Solstice.

Dionysus
http://www.truthbeknown.com/dionysus.html


Augustus (his father was the god Apollo) Agdistis Attis
Adonis Buddha Dionysus
Korybas Krishna Mithras
Osirus Perseus Romulus and Remus
Tammuz Zoroaster

Just to mention a few. So it does not surprise me that Caesar would like to be included with all the Man Gods. But this does not mean that Jesus never existed.

I have traveled India many times and the Hindus and Buddhist have no doubt that Jesus Existed, As they have documented evidence of his time spent there.

If you would like some FACTUAL evidence that Jesus existed read this book http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Lived-In.../dp/0143028294

His unknown life before and after the crucifixion. Why has Christianity chosen to ignore its connections with the religions of the East, and to dismiss repeatedly the numerous claims that Jesus spent a large part of his life in India? This compelling book presents irrefutable evidence that Jesus did indeed live in India, dying there in old age. The result of many years of investigative research, Jesus Lived in India takes the reader to all the historical sites connected with Jesus in Israel, the Middle East, Afghanistan and India. As well as revealing age-old links between the Israelites and the East, the evidence found by theologian Holger Kersten points to the following startling conclusions: In his youth Jesus followed the ancient Silk Road to India. While there he studied Buddhism, adopting its tenets and becoming a spiritual master.

And Here. http://messenger2.cjcmp.org/issa.html

Nocolas Notovitch was a Russian aristocrat, journalist and explorer who journeyed extensively throughout Afghanistan, India, and Tibet. Notovitch said that he traveled to Ladakh in India, that he had stayed at the Himis (or Hemis) Buddhist Monastery in Leh, and that while he was there, he learned or ancient records of the life of Jesus of Nazareth and found a Tibetan translation of the legend. He said he then employed translators and copied the book or scroll known as "The Life of Saint Issa," and he renamed his translation, The Unknown Life of Christ.

Peace

[Bill Ryan]

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I changed the title of the thread. If you study the Nag Hammadi scrolls, unearthed in 1945 and extensively researched since then, and also read The Jesus Papers by Michael Baigent, you will be left in no doubt that Jesus was a historical person.

The story of his life (and what he taught and stood for) was extensively changed and/or covered up by the early Church, who had an agenda of their own. As was pointed out earlier in the thread, it's the 'Jesus' as is now taught to kids in Sunday School who 'never existed'.

Rather than that manicured and invented character, another one actually did exist -- the real Jesus -- and it might be important for us to understand what he was saying and why it was so important that so many of his real words were meticulously excised from history.

[Wind]

He certainly did, but the church hasn't told the truth about his life.

[DevilPigeon]

I watched 'the lost gospels' on youtube this morning, and it's clear that several books were omitted from the final bible. I think it's a safe bet that this was to promote an agenda largely non-beneficial to the majority.

Did Jesus exist? Not the one from the bible, that's for sure.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by DevilPigeon (here)
I watched 'the lost gospels' on youtube this morning, and it's clear that several books were omitted from the final bible.

More than 'several' books! A huge amount was omitted. Here's the video (a BBC documentary, extremely well done) -- very highly recommended.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=y3fywVlTB98

[Vitalux]

Did Jesus exist?
In my opinion, and from what I have learned, No Jesus, like the Easter Bunny is not real.

Think about it, what are the odds of finding a girl named Mary in Iraq about 2000 years ago?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Vitalux (here)
Think about it, what are the odds of finding a girl named Mary in Iraq about 2000 years ago?

Not Iraq!

In the Israel of that time, about 25% of women were called Mary (as we would translate it). The actual names were Maryam or Mariam (in Aramaic), or Mariamne in Greek.

One of the many problems facing New Testament historians is that there are altogether too many 'Mary's mentioned in different contexts. There's ample evidence that the writers (or translators) got them mixed up with each other on quite a few occasions.

This is one of the issues around unpicking who Mary Magdalene really was -- an important historical (and spiritual) question.

[marlowe]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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I changed the title of the thread. If you study the Nag Hammadi scrolls, unearthed in 1945 and extensively researched since then, and also read The Jesus Papers by Michael Baigent, you will be left in no doubt that Jesus was a historical person.

The story of his life (and what he taught and stood for) was extensively changed and/or covered up by the early Church, who had an agenda of their own. As was pointed out earlier in the thread, it's the 'Jesus' as is now taught to kids in Sunday School who 'never existed'.

Rather than that manicured and invented character, another one actually did exist -- the real Jesus -- and it might be important for us to understand what he was saying and why it was so important that so many of his real words were meticulously excised from history.

Thank you Bill,.....I apologize for my strident attitude . I was so blown away by the research & the similarity
between the words in the Life of Caesar & the New Testament that I got carried away......

The general idea is that Jesus was a Gnostic & the New Testament leaves that out....Anyway,I do think the

the the first part of the video has important information.