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    Hi Bill,

    That is one of the best posts I have read from you in some time Bill, thanks. It is strange but I almost went into the priesthood myself when I was young, what a mistake that would have been, I fully support everything you have summarised and I see that the Vatican has came under fire yet again after a documentary last night highlighted the abuse of children in the Scottish highlands by Catholic Monks this time ;
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b037p6h2.
    Police have confirmed they are investigating claims of sexual and physical abuse by monks at a former Catholic boarding school in the Highlands.

    Alleged victims who attended Fort Augustus Abbey school told a BBC Scotland investigation that they were molested and beaten by monks over a period of three decades from the 1950s.

    It has also been claimed that abuse was carried out at Carlekemp, its feeder school in East Lothian.

    Both schools are no longer open.

    A police statement said: "Police Scotland Highland and Islands division are investigating historic reports of allegations of abuse from former pupils at the Fort Augustus Abbey school.

    "This is a live inquiry and therefore it would inappropriate to provide further comment at present."

    The Lothians and Scottish Borders division said its officers would help the inquiry if evidence suggests that criminal activity occurred at Carlekemp.

    Five men claimed on the Sins Of Our Fathers documentary, screened on Monday night, that they were raped or sexually abused by Father Aidan Duggan, an Australian monk who taught at Carlekemp and Fort Augustus between 1953 and 1974.

    Fr Duggan died in 2004 but some abuse claims relate to men who are still alive.

    Donald Macleod, who attended Fort Augustus from 1961, said he was raped by Fr Duggan when he was 14 but was not believed.

    "I was called into the headmaster's office and he said that he'd heard that I'd been telling my parents about Fr Aidan and that I shouldn't tell these lies and that it's a mortal sin to lie about things like that," he told the programme.

    The investigation also uncovered allegations that Fort Augustus, a Benedictine abbey, was used as a "dumping ground" for problem clergy who confessed to abusing children.

    Dom Richard Yeo, abbot president of the English Benedictine Congregation, which unites autonomous Roman Catholic Benedictine communities of monks and nuns, told the programme: "I'm very sorry about any abuse that may have been committed at Fort Augustus."

    Speaking on BBC Radio Scotland's Good Morning Scotland programme, Father John Robinson, the patron of a charity for abuse survivors, said the apology does not go far enough.

    "There are all sorts of good words spoken, like 'sorry', and I appreciate that. But there is no programme of care for the victims," he said.

    "The Church keeps falling back on the safeguarding policy. What we are dealing with is the utter failure of safeguarding."
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    I wonder when it will stop, these cases are going back many years, so why are priests not allowed to marry or for that matter monks, for if they did surely this child abuse would never happen.
    I have read that the reason that the Vatican stopped Priest from marrying is because it was having to pay inheritance from its funds to family members and re housing spouses, I am not sure if this is the case but it would not surprise me , in the early days of Christianity all priest bishops and cardinals would be married men so what stopped it ?
    In the time of Jesus everyone involved with teaching and educating children had to be married or the were not allowed to teach or preach.


    Again Great post Bill, do you know something I love this forum,
    many thanks for creating it and bringing so much talent and knowledge and like minded folks together in one place.

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    I''l keep it short ...for same reasons

    In the years since I too looked at the Urantia book, I have received many and varied explanations of why people rejected it...all noted, however when I first looked at it in the early 90's, technology and the planetary belief in anything but a conventional religious-based hypothesis was only just forming. Some, insider groups had more information but the general public was just coming online.

    My first impression was 'wow' and over the years I can begin to believe some of the things I remember reading.....but at first it was simply far 'out there'...but could be quite relevant at this time.

    personally I am seeing more valid reasons to revisit the text than not...and of late those 'elsewhere' sources are becoming relevant as well..If we want discuss more , I suggest a new thread...there may even be a thread already on PA that may be a candidate ...I haven't looked.

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    Default Re: The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Jesus specifically taught that we should not use violent means (or fight evil with evil), but instead fortify ourselves inwardly. Reaching or attaining the all-powerful and important 'kingdom of heaven' was an inner goal, not an external one.
    Although there are a lot of good, intriguing points in the OP, this piece of information quoted above is absolutely the most crucial, IMHO. We need to learn this lesson, and apply it universally. Whenever I read messages tinged with hatred toward any group, I am reminded that we still have much progress left to make in this regard.

    Thank you very much Bill. "God" bless.
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    Let your heart not be hardened by injustice and tribulation

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    Default Re: The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign

    I am very comforted to know that I have reached all the same conclusions from my own research, Bill.

    The details of Jesus surviving the crucifixion and how the clues to that truth are contained in the Bible are very interesting...

    http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Chri...ucifixion.aspx

    It has been suggested by some researchers that Jesus was taken to Egypt while still an infant because of Herod seeking the deaths of all the firstborn... and it was there that he studied the Mysteries with Mary. Aside from teaching in the Temple at the age of 12 and learning the trade of carpentry there is nothing in the Bible to give us a clue as to what he did for nearly 30 years before being baptized in the Jordan River.
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    Now back to Jesus topic

    20 years ago, I had a vision, call it a dream if you wish (but it was not a dream), and in it, I was lying down on a dune of sand, and saw far away a group of people standing up carrying a body on top of them. I had the real hard feeling that it was Jesus. Then suddenly, in my vision, I heard "Enoch".

    I knew nothing of possible reincarnation of Enoch as Jesus, or even who Enoch was. I had to check in the bible afterward to learn about Enoch.

    A few months later, I met someone in Cuba, we started to speak spirituality to discover that we had the same dream/vision, to the details. Then I was looking for the book of Enoch for years, to finally receive a copy from that guy that was very hard to read, being kind of verses. Up to the day where I read about "the keys of Enoch". It was kind of "wow, this is it".

    Since, I like looking at anything that goes around Jesus. I am sure that the message he was trying to promulgate had to do with finding our inner self, aligning with universal energies that are light/love, he taught the path. And I always knew that Mary Magdalene was his wife or lover.

    Years late, I went in Turkey and visited Ephesus (yes, Ephesus from the bible). The first assembly hall (catholic say christian church) was built by John in Ephesus. He had ended up there with Mary the mother of Jesus, and they were well known in Ephesus. Both John and Mary died nearby. At the time (15 years ago), John's tomb was well taken care of and the story told to tourists, but not now anymore (too much radical Muslims I presume).

    From there, it was really easy for me to understand that they had spread around and that Mary Magdalene had most probably finally taken the north west direction (France), with or without Jesus.

    Then, lately I saw the video of Bob Dean where he recount being regressed to the time of Jesus life, where he was Jesus friend, and how emotional and filled with love it made him.

    I would very much like to be able to link together those spread around feeling/info/visions I had. I wonder why I am mentioning this here? May be I will get other itsi bitsi details allowing to build the whole picture.
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    I love this post. I had not considered Archons being involved in the Council of Nicean.

    I have read some of the Dead Sea Scrolls (translated by Willis Barnstone), although it's been awhile, and I was fascinated with them. Some of the Gnostic creationists texts moved me to the point of writing a poem.

    It's my understanding that there are still scrolls to be translated, and I've been looking forward to reading those as well.

    I had also read about Mary living where you indicated, but had not heard about Jesus surviving the crucifixion.

    I often have conversations with folks on Facebook about how the Nicean Council (twice) decided which books were to go into the Bible and which were not. It was clear they wanted religious control and I am not a fan of such things. Even when you read the New Testament, you can see that Jesus taught that seeking God was a personal journey, one that did not need priests. Two or more people discussing God *was* church.

    Thanks so much for sharing this!

    Makes me want to reread the scrolls.

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    Quote Posted by Freed Fox (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Jesus specifically taught that we should not use violent means (or fight evil with evil), but instead fortify ourselves inwardly. Reaching or attaining the all-powerful and important 'kingdom of heaven' was an inner goal, not an external one.
    Although there are a lot of good, intriguing points in the OP, this piece of information quoted above is absolutely the most crucial, IMHO. We need to learn this lesson, and apply it universally. Whenever I read messages tinged with hatred toward any group, I am reminded that we still have much progress left to make in this regard.

    Thank you very much Bill. "God" bless.
    I agree quite strongly on this point.
    There seems to be a lack of what was specifically taught around these lines.
    Obviously agressiveness loves it when someone fights back, and it only escalates the suffering, and violence.
    I have listened to a few lectures by John Lash, but I still have not found any practical methods that made sense to me on how to free oneself internally.
    At one point he seemed to be convinced that there was a giant praying mantis trapped in the core of the earth, and it was trying to get out.
    Not as metaphor, but a literal belief.
    Has anyone found any descriptions of what Mary and Jesus were teaching people?
    I did however love John's description of the little bursts of illumination that were found throughout the nag hammadi documents.
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    From all the things I have read during the years, the most controversial ones totally proved to be the most influential and true ones, for me at least.
    Project Avalon is an example of a strange, but influential such place I happened to come across once.

    This thread comes at the right time for me. Thank you, Bill.
    I share your opinions on all points.

    I read recently that most of the people listen to something only to be able to reply, but I think threads like this one are what we need and what interests most of us right now, that is why I also allowed myself to express an opinion.

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    I can relate to that! My grandmother had me memorize all the books of the Bible by the time I was 4. However, when I began experiencing things the Bible didn't explain, I began looking elsewhere for information. My path has diverged greatly. I now try to keep a very open mind about all possibilities, will listen to all and take note. Peace!

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    Well done Bill, I am really very happy to hear that a person named Jesus did exist and did stick up for humanity, Just very unhappy that what he was trying to pass to us all did not survive to its full content, it would of been the most important of works for us all

    Warmest regards to you bill

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    Just a tidbit to add here.
    My personal story that pertains to this thread goes back to Bill and Kerry's original forum.

    I was communicating indirectly with the author of the Lightbooks.

    They pretty much also lay out what Bill has shared regarding Jesus.

    In those writings Jesus was said to have been fathered by an Essene(not Joseph or 'from above') and it was cleverly 'hidden' from the Extraterrestrial Manipulators.

    Understand that what is spoken of as "mistakes", made by Jesus, below was actually Jesus defying the 'original' plan of the extraterrestrials(Archons?).

    These are the only excerpts I can find at the moment that I have on the computer that relate to those writings:

    .......

    The masters of this planet consider the rest of humanity as inferior because we do not have extra-terrestrial blood in our veins. We are not like them, we are nothing and we deserve nothing.

    Around four or five thousand years ago, things were very difficult for the Dragons and they were very unhappy with the half humans in charge of the planet. In order to have a better control of the Earth, they created the Bible, that is to say, the Old Testament to be more precise. The masters knew perfectly well how much time they had in front of themselves. After around 2000 years, it was time to create something really strong to prepare the human race for the next harvest. For this, they needed a perfect half human descendant from the purest dragon bloodline. The best choice, according to their calculations, was Joseph, the future father of Jesus. That is why Jesus’ entire family tree is written down in the Bible. This new Messiah was supposed to be on Earth to create a new wave of power on this planet to prepare the next harvest.





    Jesus was exceptional and seemed perfect for the task; but in spite of his family, in spite of his education, he got “a little crazy??? and started saying the opposite of what he was supposed to teach. Some masters started wondering if Jesus was really the right guy, but when they saw all his miracles, they were nevertheless convinced that he was a descendant of the purest dragon bloodline could do the things Jesus did.
    In fact, with Jesus they could kill two birds with one stone; the religion of the masters was getting weaker and weaker and Jesus, through his miracles, revived the secret religion a lot. The fact that Jesus went a little crazy in their eyes disturbed the masters of the world a lot of course. To prevent things from getting too bad, the “Concile de NicÈe??? decided in the year 325 to rewrite the Bible, that is to say the New Testament, and censure all the writings that witnessed Jesus’ mistakes???. Like this, the problem was resolved, all the things Jesus had done that were disturbing for the secret dragon religion were taken out and lost forever for us normal mortal humans.

    When Jesus was crucified, Maria Magdalena left the country with her two children she had with Jesus. She went to France and one of their children stayed in France. This child had children who had themselves children and very quickly a marriage with the royal line was organized. What we call the “Frankish Kings??? were the direct descendants of Jesus who was himself considered to be a descendant from the purest dragon bloodline. France was thus controlled by the purest family.



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    this may be of interest

    The mystery of Rennes-le-Château


    The cisterns of Rennes-le-Château

    In part 1, André Douzet speaks about his expedition into the cisterns of Rennes-le-Château, and more on an underground network of tunnels underneath the village. In part 2, the siting of the castle itself is also bizarre. In part 3, there is the presence of a natural fault line underneath the village. Finally, in part 4, we see how Saunière had specific attention to these cisterns when he erected his villa - and might have found important information inside.

    The presbytery of Rennes-le-Château

    The presbytery of Rennes-le-Château has escaped many's attention. Nevertheless, it would remain the headquarters of Saunière's operations. First, let us delve a little bit into its background. We then start our descent into the underworld, where we find the presence of underground tunnels, explore in the time of Saunière. Finally, we invite everyone to check it out for themselves.

    Forgotten secrets of the church of Rennes-le-Château

    It is in the church that Saunière is believed to have found his wealth. But where? First, there is the baluster, with a secret compartment in which he apparently found some documents. Then, we look at the enigmatic Visigothic pillar, with another secret compartment. Next up is the main altar and the Knight's Stone, which completes our survey of the "mystery elements" around which the story of the priest's fortune is based. In the final part, we review the various elements of the puzzle, add a further piece, and see where they all ended up.

    A secret part in the church of Rennes-le-Château

    Inside the church of Rennes-le-Château, there are two parts that visitors seldom get to see... Quite often, they fail to notice they exist!

    A church entrance

    The church entrance is an often overlooked part of the building. And in the case of Rennes-le-Château, it is no exception to this rule. And though we might think we know everything about it... do we really? For example, do we know where the stone slabs used for it come from?

    The Wayside altar

    Next to the cemetery entrance is a small, delapidated building, which seems without any intrigue whatsoever. Nevertheless, appearances can be deceiving... and in the case of the "wayside altar", as the structure is called, it could be one of the key sites in the enigma of the village.

    Altar secrets

    The old altar of Rennes-le-Château gave the mystery its Visigothic pillar. But what is the true importance of the legends... and how do they compare to the truth?

    Strange stones

    The viewing room is not the only site with strange markings on it. The same applies to the church and presbytery of Rennes-le-Chateau and lots more plus

    and lots more plus

    Saunière’s Rise to Fame

    Revisiting the early years of the life of Saunière, a quick overview of his first years in the village makes it clear that the mystery of his wealth began earlier than most popular accounts have stated so far.

    Saunière’s trial

    One of the most controversial topics in the story of the priest, is his trial. Both sceptics and believers have a warped understanding of the true accusations and requests had to subject himself to, as well as his stubborn behaviour to make sure he would make the life of his superiors as difficult as possible. But why?

    Million dollar priest

    In the final years of his life, Saunière apparently was about to get his hands on an enormous fortune. What could a semi-invalid do that would warrant the equivalent of 120 million dollars?

    “John 23” and the enigma of Bérenger Saunière

    The alleged last words of Saunière, "John twenty-three", are for the first time ever subjected to a detailed analysis... leading towards results that may challenge more than just the enigma of the village priest itself.

    Bérenger Saunière in Lyon

    One area of research that has been uncovered by the Société Perillos is evidence of Saunière's presence in Lyon. In the first part, we look at the evidence that backs up his presence there. In the second part, we explore his motives for lodging where he did. In the third part, we look towards his visit into the nearby Pilat region.

    Link
    http://www.perillos.com/rlch.html

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    Titanium:

    I heard our new Pope said we shouldn't judge gays. He also mentioned allowing women more prominent roles, or something to that effect. That's a step in the right direction. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up moving toward allowing priests to marry. I would hope this would help! I get pretty sick and tired of hearing these horrible stories. (No offense to you, of course -- priests should know better!)

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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    I knew nothing of possible reincarnation of Enoch as Jesus, or even who Enoch was. I had to check in the bible afterward to learn about Enoch.
    Thought this would interest you...

    Gnostic Kabbalah refers to Jesus as a Bodishattva who had many incarnations. Edgar Cayce said the same:

    Edgar Cayce on the Reincarnations of Jesus
    Christ as the Crowning Glory of Ancient Mysticism


    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen049.html

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    Thank you Bill for the summary. Clearly Judas was not the betrayor that Jesus mentions during the last supper because he just played his part in the story not change the message like you said. Which of the apostles were a part of the conspiracy to change that message in your opinion(not that they are even calling the shots on the operations but at the very least being the vessel to carry out the betrayal)?

    There is a very interesting book on this subject called The Master Game by Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval that I highly recommend. http://books.google.com/books/about/...d=ZmIQ3Qws86cC


    Edit* I had a thought the other day about the fall out of the garden of Eden. I think it is a more a metaphor for thinking falsely, or in terms of good and evil. The "sin"(which I dont believe exists) was not knowing, because a loving God would never want you to remain in ignorance, about good and evil but rather starting to conceptualize the world in terms of good and evil. By doing so we could not stay in Eden, which I think is a state of being and not so much a physical place. Jesus came back to give us the template again to return to this Kingdom within. His removal of "original sin" is actually taking away the lense of good and evil and returning to the isness.

    2nd Edit
    Reading through the Gospel of Thomas is interesting(22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
    They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"
    Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom." This stuck out to me in relation to what I was talking about earlier.
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    Quote Posted by LahTera (here)
    I often have conversations with folks on Facebook about how the Nicean Council (twice) decided which books were to go into the Bible and which were not.
    Madame Blavatsky has this twist on it:

    MAGIC IN THE CHURCH

    http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/th...TheChurch.html

    Quote We must not forget that the Christian Church owes its present canonical Gospels, and hence its whole religious dogmatism, to the Sortes Sanctorum. Unable to agree as to which were the most divinely-inspired of the numerous gospels extant in its time, the mysterious Council of Nicea concluded to leave the decision of the puzzling question to miraculous intervention. This Nicean Council may well be called mysterious. There was a mystery, first, in the mystical number of its 318 bishops, on which Barnabas (viii, 11, 12, 13) lays such a stress; added to this, there is no agreement among ancient writers as to the time and place of its assembly, nor even as to the bishop who presided. Notwithstanding the grandiloquent eulogium of Constantine, Sabinus, the Bishop of Heraclea, affirms that "except Constantine, the emperor, and Eusebius Pamphilus, these bishops were a set of illiterate, simple creatures, that understood nothing;" which is equivalent to saying that they were a set of fools. Such was apparently the opinion entertained of them by Pappus, who tells us of the bit of magic resorted to to decide which were the true gospels. In his Synodicon to that Council Pappus says, having "promiscuously put all the books that were referred to the Council for determination under a communion-table in a church, they (the bishops) besought the Lord that the inspired writings might get upon the table, while the spurious ones remained underneath, and it happened accordingly." But we are not told who kept the keys of the council chamber over night!

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    Truth is…. I am scared .

    I am scared to approach this subject.

    David Icke once said he was Jesus. To most people that was a forgivable delusion of a brilliant mind. That was back in the times he was very confused about a lot of things.

    But you know what? I’m sure he was spot on . It was however way too soon for us to understand.
    To understand that we are Jesus. We are a bit confused, we ‘ve got I-phones and I-pads but when we look down deep into our souls there is nothing but kindness and compassion.

    I’ve seen a lot of ugly and demonic dudes in this life but I was never so scared as I was when I saw who I really am. I keep making up excuses since then…like I drink too much beer , I look at women’s butts …but deep down inside I am so scared to admit what I can be…

    You re confusing me , I am not that person, I’m just an average guy.
    But then again so was Jesus - an average guy - until he let go of all the silly games and embraced his brilliance like someone likes to say.

    And about the topic “ Was Jesus real or not” . Is that kind of topic where science and history MUST meet spirituality.

    I so dislike religion and all established churches .
    If I want to talk with God , I go into a forest, I head for the mountains or I get outside when it rains.
    I think it’s important to understand the Jesus rebellion and what was that really about.
    What we are all really about.
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    I've read a lot on this subject, and I think the work of Sir Laurence Gardner was the one that connected all the right dots for me, so far, at least...
    Though he glorified the Annunaki too much, imho, and placed too much importance on the role of the bloodlines.
    (The soul determines what bloodline it will incarnate into in each lifetime, the bloodlines do not determine what souls will incarnate into it.
    There have been many great humans who were not of the Annunaki bloodlines, and many of the Annunaki bloodlines who were not great humans.)
    What counts more is the journey of each individual soul, and how much each soul exercises their free will.

    I give lots of credit to Gardner, who was born into an Illuminati bloodline and though he was much influenced by them, yet became a whistleblower of sorts and an historian of great value.

    There has been so much disinfo about Jesus and Magdalene and our human heritage (and I would include Urantia in that), and I think it really is very important that we get that story and the story of Genesis all sorted out.
    What seems to me to still be missing in large part is information about the role that evolved ET civilizations other than the Annunkai have played throughout the ages in altering our DNA and incarnating into our existing bloodlines in order to upgrade our intelligence and self-awareness, and protect humankind from those who would victimize.
    I've wondered if that is because their adherence to the 'Prime Directive' prevents them from intervening too much, and so the way they have done it mostly is by individual self-sacrifice (through incarnating into human bodies and taking on the burden of the veil of forgetfulness that we all must endure), and not so much by an off-planet, organized group effort such as the Annunaki initiated.
    But no doubt it is largely because the victimizers went to such great pains to erase any and all records of benevolent ETs efforts to correct the course that the victimizers have charted for humanity thus far.
    Hopefully, they are losing their grip and that is all about to change, BIG TIME!!
    Thanks to Bill for this thread.
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    Reach out and touch faith ..
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    Really? I understand it's a little more technical in language and is meant for the understanding of Heaven, the Universes of Universes, Hierarchy of Heaven and all the hosts and associates and melchezedek priest that dwell on the world and watch. Also the correct teaching and understanding of what he was trying to get across to the apostles at that time, that were unable to envision just what he was telling them at times, due to the understanding of man's mind at that time.

    I found it very intriguing and kept an open mind that perhaps the King of England, didn't want this in the book, if he was to rule the people, as well as the Roman Pope.

    How far did you get, if I might ask? I took me six months. I read the whole before casting judgement/kept open mind, on the more technical understanding. Did you not understand the emotional strife bought on by certain behavioral maladjustments?

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