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    It's wonderful to be freed from centuries of brainwashing!!

    Quoting Dresden James...."When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous & its speaker a raving lunatic!"

    I am now a member of the Lunatic Club!!

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    I just came upon this and it’s beautiful! And correct as well...

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    I am now a member of the Lunatic Club!!
    Welcome aboard.

    Let your freak flag fly.

    Dave - Toronto

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    Default Re: The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign

    I'm just now revisiting this thread after about a three and a half years or so, and better appreciate now where Bill is coming from in the OP, though I took another route to get there (mostly studying problems in European chronology and ancient religions). The subject is incredibly complex and there's more historical data out there than any one person could go through in an entire lifetime.

    A couple more observations: the heretical versions of Christianity mentioned by Iranaeus are likely the rural "pagan" religions that evolved separately from the Catholic Church. In other words, when the church was persecuting heretical versions of Christianity, they were in reality suppressing older religions that shared similarities with Christianity because Christianity itself is not simply an extension of the Jewish religion, but is inherently European in many of its more critical facets. Jews and Muslims both consider Christianity to be polytheistic because of the doctrine of the Trinity -- ultimately a Celtic concept (Celts had a tripartite God, complete with a human incarnation named Hesus in Gaul, etymologically related to "Zeus" and "Jupiter" as well, ie "Dyaus-Pitar" or "Zeus-Pater", God the Father).

    We have been sold a bill of goods, that Christianity is completely distinct and unrelated to the earlier native "pagan" religions of Europe. Not so fast! The crown of thorns, communion, and the symbolism of 12 apostles are all from earlier, non-Jewish religions, and there is argumentation based on Greek philosophy in the New Testament, and even references to Greek and Roman deities as also representing the God of the Christians.

    What happened in Europe was not so much a conquering by Christianity, by a synthesis of native beliefs with an artificial ideology forced upon the people against their will by Catholic authorities. Our modern holidays of Easter, Halloween, and Christmas are great examples of ancient "pagan" traditions that received the Catholic whitewash in order to rebrand them as something different than what they were originally, even though all of these holidays still abound in blatantly non-Christian symbolism (rabbits and eggs, trees and reindeer, etc.).

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    It looks like a religion post but I will speak only the ancient scriptures not anything more, because I have studied them a lot and I have tried to get its meaning

    What says Quran about Jesus, that is the last ancient scripture from Abrahamic religion and to the last prophet. Translated in English

    4:171 O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about God except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of God and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul from Him. So believe in God and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, God is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is God as Disposer of affairs.

    So every human being that was "The choosen one" since the Adam and Eve, was only a messenger (included Jesus). Romans have used his name for political meaning and to continue their pagan worship that was Sun and other dieties. They made the decision to call him son of god and to be worshiped later as a god also. Because if people can see who are worshipping they would be made more vulnerable to follow and to be manipulated by those who use his image.

    another text:
    41:37 And of His signs are the night and day and the sun and moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or to the moon, but prostate to God , who created them, if it should be Him that you worship.

    It looks like our humanity has a long history of story manipulation and it was needed to guide messengers from time to time to follow the right path.
    Thats why those who truly believe in God and Him alone they don't worship any beings or object that can be seen, no one knows His true form and it should stay that way because in this dimension we are really vulnerable to manipulation.

    This is only speaking from ancient scriptures because even islam as a religion has been manipulated with other forein texts and has been deformed to what is today.
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    It's been quite awhile since I visited this thread as well, and it was very eye opening for me. I've been going further down the proverbial rabbit hole ever since. MisstresJan , I hope you will find the information here and throughout the forum to be as thought provoking as it has for me. It is fascinating to see how many others eyes are being opened. It is quite brilliant to be a part of it all and engaging in what will no doubt be, a never ending discussion.

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    I've just started to read Avalon's e-book 'The Jesus Papers' by Michael Baigent, as recommended to us by Bill. Fascinating & thought-provoking it is too. Can't get enough of this stuff...!

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    Quote Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
    It's wonderful to be freed from centuries of brainwashing!!

    Quoting Dresden James...."When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous & its speaker a raving lunatic!"

    I am now a member of the Lunatic Club!!

    Count me in, Foxie!

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