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    Exclamation The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign

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    I'd like to summarize my own view -- which is provisional and ongoing -- of the reality of who Jesus was, taught and stood for. It may be the most important story of our times, but for different reasons than are commonly accepted.

    Some of what I list below is quite well-known, and some of it comes from my own personal research. This continues all the time.
    • There was certainly a historical Jesus.
    • He was both a [non-violent] revolutionary, rather like Gandhi, and an inspirational spiritual leader who really did have, or really was, something very special.
    • The parts of his story that later became enshrined in Salvationism (the best term for the metaphysics of the Roman Church) -- the virgin birth, the resurrection, some of the miracle stories, etc -- were all versions of then-current mythology that were woven into his story (which, before it was written by anyone, were recounted by word of mouth).
    • That celebrated and much promoted mythology is not the Jesus story at all, and is merely a distraction. It was the world's first major (and effective) disinfo campaign. (Remember: disinfo = part truth, part fiction).
    • None of that means that Jesus did not exist. It's just further confirmation of the distractions.
    • The stories of what he really was, taught, and stood for have all been expunged from history. Books -- some of them scholarly historical accounts (like the Gospel of Thomas, which meticulously lists his recorded words ) -- were really ordered to be banned and burned as heresy. Many books mentioned in earlier texts have not yet surfaced at all and we can only guess at their contents. We still wouldn't know about much of this at all if it hadn't been for the chance discovery of the Nag Hammadi scrolls in 1945.
    • The really important question here is WHY was all this erased from history? Why was Jesus such a threat that what he was REALLY trying to tell us has all but disappeared?

    Here are my provocative (to some) suggestions as a series of answers to the last question:
    • The Essenes, with whom Jesus studied, knew all about the Book of Enoch, which was a centrally important reference document for them. It was widely known about and read at that time. This too had completely disappeared from history until it was rediscovered in Ethiopia in 1773 (and an original Aramaic version was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls more recently).
    • The Book of Enoch, a huge topic in itself, warns of the takeover of the planet by the Archons -- non-human, off-planet entities that crave power and control. It was the Archons, of course (then in human form, because they take over people in positions of power) who banned and burned all the books and identified Jesus and his teachings as a particular threat. In that sense, Jesus may have been the world's first major whistleblower, and paid the price for his stance.
    • Besides warning about the planetary takeover, Jesus specifically taught that we should not use violent means (or fight evil with evil), but instead fortify ourselves inwardly. Reaching or attaining the all-powerful and important 'kingdom of heaven' was an inner goal, not an external one.
    • Hence all the Gnostic teachings (which were also at that time very old, and not something new at all). But the Gnostic teachings were also a major threat to those in power, and had to be eradicated. The reason was because these teachings supported individuals in becoming more powerful, sovereign and inviolate. Even now, we are fighting exactly the same battles.
    • Mary Magdalene ('Mariamne Mara' -- in Greek, 'Mary the Master') was Jesus' main supporter and advocate, and was also his wife. She was charged with the responsibility of making sure the real story was known.
    • Jesus survived the crucifixion, and he and Mary both fled to Egypt until 37 AD when Jesus later returned to Kashmir and Mary sailed to Narbonne with her child or children, where she was taken care of in a Jewish community based in Rennes-les-Bains (just a few miles from Rennes-le-Chateau, where in 1890 the local priest Bérenger Saunière discovered incontrovertible proof that (among much else) Jesus was still alive in 45 AD, and was paid a large sum by the Vatican to keep this information secret).
    • Mary lived in that community until something like 54-55 AD, but made a critically important error of judgment in trusting someone she should not have, was betrayed, and vitally important documents that she was safeguarding were stolen. This incident was one of several major turning points of history.
    • Mary was subsequently vilified, minimized and marginalized by the early Church, branded as a repentant prostitute rather than the teacher, leader, healer and chosen messenger that she was. This malicious lie was deliberately widespread.
    • Mary became much revered by women, and equally vilified by men, for the same reasons that many of the early texts were banned and burned, There was a struggle for women's equality and a recognition of the very important role of the female body that is still mirrored today, and Mary was the champion of that cause -- which Jesus recognized and fully understood. That was why Peter saw her as such a threat.
    • What happened to Jesus was the world's first major disinfo campaign, and what happened to Mary was the world's first major smear campaign.
    • The 'Second Coming' may refer to nothing more than the emergence, approximately 2000 years later, of the truth of what happened and what all this was really about. So now, we have:

      -- the authority and agenda of the controlling Roman Church being seriously challenged at long last
      -- the very detailed and extraordinary Gnostic Gospels unearthed at Nag Hammadi in 1945
      -- the entire original Book of Enoch unearthed in the Dead Sea Scrolls in the same year
      -- the exposé (through important books like Holy Blood, Holy Grail, The Jesus Papers, the works of Sir Laurence Gardner, and much else) of the reality of Jesus and Mary's surviving bloodline
      -- David Icke, Jay Weidner and John Lash talking openly to millions about the reality of the takeover by the Archons
      -- millions of people worldwide realizing, and acting on the fact, that true enlightenment and sovereign power lies within, independent of any external controlling agency.
    • It took a while, and much longer than planned, but we've managed to get to a place now which the real Jesus, and the real Mary, might both have approved of. They might both breathe an enormous shared sigh of relief that after 2000 years of real darkness there may be hope for the human race at last.
    • Summary: we're still in with a chance.
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    Default Re: The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign

    That is a great summary, Bill.
    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

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    Quote Some of what I list below is quite well-known, and some of it comes from my own personal research, still ongoing.
    Most all that you list is information gifted me by a curious book loan from someone who insisted it was all a secret and that he would never discuss it. "Don't ever bring it up. Just give the book back when you're done reading."
    He seemed honest when stating, "I don't want to know."
    This was about 1995 and he had been choosing people according to a 'gut feeling' for 20 years.

    Your last few points are my 'gut feeling' after digesting everything and adding to personal experience.
    Quote -- millions of people worldwide realizing, and acting on the fact, that true enlightenment and sovereign power lies within, independent of any external controlling agency.
    • It took a while, and much longer than planned, but we've managed to get to a place now which the real Jesus, and the real Mary, might both have approved of. They might both breathe an enormous shared sigh of relief that after 2000 years of real darkness there may be hope for the human race at last.
    • Summary: we're still in with a chance.

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    Default Re: The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign

    I was brought up in the Christian dogma of God , Jesus etc and became more atheist as
    I got older. But after finding Ion back in 2009 after Bill & Kerri interviewed James Martinez
    on the early Camelot radio show and from there, found James Show I have looked at
    religion differently.



    2 December 2010—iON comments on Jesus to James Martinez, Bob Nevritt & Dr. Carolyn Dean....



    http://informationfarm.blogspot.co.u...-howionic.html
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    Default Re: The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign

    this is an important post on many levals.this information is pure gold.and have used some of this info in my ongoing personal struggle to impart this truth to a rigid dogma programmed into the people i love.not to long ago the debate arose again.i in my stupidity. driven by ego to prove myself..revealed a knack.this led to fear and a for the first time in my life to have a cross shoved into my face..held up like i was demon.the following day..the local pastor showed up.sent by the people i frightend.we know each other well.friends.so he knew that spewing bible passages and vs. would not work being i have read the bible many times we or i discussed the enoch books.and christ.were still friends..who agree to disagree.when i asked him about my god given knacks and if they should be used..he had no reply.so..thanks for the thread as im trying to find a balance in all this without pushing loved ones away.or seeming to be crazy...er.or demonic.
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    I had a class 8 auditor take me back to the crucifixion of Jesus .. and I went inside the body and something was slamming it with heavy electronic fields ... like something that can hit a being not the physical body .. it slammed ME the BEING so hard ... that I couldn't stay in the body ... so I left ... now I was REALLY in this period of time .. Popped back there .. so I could move around and look at it as a spirit being (the viewpoint that operates inside this physical universe) ... so I moved to his back and right side about 100 meters and I could see very intense expressions from his face .. pointing to the crowd .. In front of him was a huge oval of golden light ... you can see this same golden light on famous paintings of the time .... and then this Oval light moved up ... and I followed it .. and it was a UFO ... it was cloaked in gold to hide itself from the crowd ... and I yelled, "it was a trick ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ... it was a dirty rotten trick " ... ok ... what was the trick ... this UFO may have been the entities Jesus was in communications with .... LRH stated in one of his books ... Jesus was the only one that obtained the Buddhist state the Buddhas were trying to obtain .... and this was what the enemies ... (reptilians or who ever they were in that ship ) were trying to prevent ... they set up both Jesus and Mohammed to create CONTROL RELIGIONS ... and this UFO was IMPLANTING THE AREA ... while it was there .. and PREVENTING JESUS from doing what he would have done that would have been AWE inspiring and would have changed history ... ... but it was prevented by these Aliens in the UFO ... so they have been very busy stopping what we were trying to do ... at the time and change it to what we have today ...

    I don't have all the details ... because this came out of the Being that is me ... and I have no clear way to get that information to this body ... I just give this information from my own experience ... if it will help clear up some of our past

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    There were apparently three Jesus's....and ION is an expert on the old Testament...

    I'm not ..LOL...but this is fun.

    10 March 2010—iON gives the original Lord’s Prayer for all you Lords out there.




    The second Jesus's version of.....

    The Lord’s Prayer


    My Non-Physical,

    which is ever-present in me

    hallowed be your space.

    My kingdom come,

    My will be done

    on Earth,

    as it already is in Heaven.



    Allow me this day to create my daily bliss.

    Allow forgiveness of my trespasses

    as this is only Contrast

    that I Purpose

    to help me Choose

    the fastest path to my Joy.



    Allow me the power

    not to push against,

    or even notice,

    those who trespass on me.

    Lead me through all temptations

    that separate me from

    my Whole, Complete,

    Ascended Power of Beingness.



    Relieve me from

    the false premise of Evil,

    For Mine is the Power

    and the Glory,

    Eternally.


    Selah


    http://informationfarm.blogspot.co.u...ds-prayer.html

    BOB , James and Carolyn explaining Assencion....144double helix's, chromozone 14, RNA
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...omozone-14-RNA
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    Very interesting read

    I don't have much to add other than the fact that your theory seems to be similar to what we have heard from (among others) the Priory of Sion

    Cheers

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    Quote Posted by Another1 (here)
    Quote Some of what I list below is quite well-known, and some of it comes from my own personal research, still ongoing.
    Most all that you list is information gifted me by a curious book loan from someone who insisted it was all a secret and that he would never discuss it. "Don't ever bring it up. Just give the book back when you're done reading."
    He seemed honest when stating, "I don't want to know."
    This was about 1995 and he had been choosing people according to a 'gut feeling' for 20 years.
    Can you remember anything at all about the book and what was in it? Was it a private document, or a published book? Can you remember any clues that may help someone to find it?

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    Default Re: The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign

    Your thread is inspiring Bill. Man-God and/or God -man his spirit is returning as promised. No sharper a sword than truth!

    Peace!

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    When Abdu'l-Baha, the son of the founder of the Baha'i Faith visited the West in 1912,
    after having been released from prison in Palestine,
    he never once omitted mentioning Mary Magdalene in his public talks.
    People who attended those talks made notes which were later compiled in various books.

    Here is a blog where the most of the references to Mary Magdalene can be seen in one place.

    I just wish to point out that whatever the Bahai Faith is,
    it served as a reminder of the high station of Mary Magdalene,
    back in the early 20th century, thus preparing the way to a renewed interest in her.

    http://bahaimosaic.blogspot.com/2010...magdalene.html


    Quote:
    'All were shaken but Mary Magdalen. She was a veritable lioness. She gathered the others together and said, "Why do ye mourn? Did not the Christ foretell his crucifixion? Arise, and be assured. They have killed but the body; the reality can never die, for it is supreme, eternal, the word of God, the son of God. Why, therefore, are ye agitated?" Thus this heroine became the cause of re-establishing the faith of the apostles.

    'My hope is that each one of you may become as Mary Magdalen -- for this woman was superior to all the men of her time and her reality is ever shining from the horizon of Christ.'

    (Abdu'l-Baha, Divine Philosophy, p. 50)"
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    Default Re: The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Another1 (here)
    Quote Some of what I list below is quite well-known, and some of it comes from my own personal research, still ongoing.
    Most all that you list is information gifted me by a curious book loan from someone who insisted it was all a secret and that he would never discuss it. "Don't ever bring it up. Just give the book back when you're done reading."
    He seemed honest when stating, "I don't want to know."
    This was about 1995 and he had been choosing people according to a 'gut feeling' for 20 years.
    Can you remember anything at all about the book and what was in it? Was it a private document, or a published book? Can you remember any clues that may help someone to find it?
    He offered very little information beyond that he was a caretaker and obeyed a nudge to loan it. No title upon it. Was filled with info pretty much outlined in your post. It seemed strange at the time because in my reality he was just a guy who sat on tailgate of truck and drank a case of beer every Saturday. He did not want to discuss anything.

    I do remember that previous to this I had frightened his wife by mentioning that I found the Dead Sea Scrolls online.
    She thought it was against the law. Maybe that is what gave him the nudge?

    My son is good friends with his daughter and I will ask him to bring it up with her. See if any more info is available.

    What pleases me to know now is that person has been sharing the info for more than 30 years now while you state in post that
    Quote Some of what I list below is quite well-known
    This is one of them cases where it wouldn't bother me at all to be the last one arriving.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Another1 (here)
    Quote Some of what I list below is quite well-known, and some of it comes from my own personal research, still ongoing.
    Most all that you list is information gifted me by a curious book loan from someone who insisted it was all a secret and that he would never discuss it. "Don't ever bring it up. Just give the book back when you're done reading."
    He seemed honest when stating, "I don't want to know."
    This was about 1995 and he had been choosing people according to a 'gut feeling' for 20 years.
    Can you remember anything at all about the book and what was in it? Was it a private document, or a published book? Can you remember any clues that may help someone to find it?
    For some odd reason, I am getting a gut feeling this is the Urantia Book. I have seen some posts from 'elsewhere' that state to go back to the Urantia book as it has the most accurate depiction of how things are...and historical records in it...

    just a hunch,..

    I was exposed to it in the early 90's (same bbs forum, Bill, I was involved in that contained the exerps of Joe M. I sent you months ago).

    There is a lot of relevance contained in it ..and when I was gleaning it... thought someday I should go back to this for a thorough read as I was doing more investigating its origin rather than what it was saying at the time...I still have this book and it is available in digital online free..and I think has an audio version as well...hmmm

    I am curious how he will answer..

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    I threw the Urantia book away. The only kind of "religious book" that I ever threw away. I think it is full of misinformation. It had been given to me by the worst witch you can think of. I literally mean it.

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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    I think it is full of misinformation.
    aside from who gave it to you... why is it that you feel this way...have you any obvious discrepancies you can state...

    I am sure I've read online about it being 'debunked' and I'm sure there are some good points raised in those arguments...however I am just wanting your reason(s) you feel this way and what it is based on.

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    Hmmm interesting info here Bill...thank you...I agree mostly with what you say...

    Just a couple of points I wish to make if its ok...

    I see Jesus as a messenger...I often wonder where he came from? Do you?

    Also in much of the information you have mentioned he clearly states that he will return for his flock...just wondered what your interpretation/thoughts of this are ... ?

    Eric/viking
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    the plejaren have given this - the same spirit form incarnates teaching the laws of creation and it's recommendations, many personalities , same spirit , Nokodemjon, henoch , enoch, jerimiah, Immanuel, mohommad, edward ... the truth comes to earth and earth humans always corrupt it ... funny the message of the prophets was the same, love your neighbor, don't lie, don't steal, whatever you sow , you reap , all life is sacred , don't covet your neighbors things , etc ... Immanuel wrongly name Jesus was a person born feb 2 , teaching the laws of creation ... the only ones he had trouble with was religious people , they didn't like what he had to say ...
    Raiding the Matrix One Mind at a Time ...

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    Quote Posted by gittarpikk (here)
    For some odd reason, I am getting a gut feeling this is the Urantia Book.
    I searched the Urantia Book from this page for Magdalene references, and found nothing beyond adaptations of what's in the orthodox, mainstream New Testament. Nothing radical there at all, as far as I can see.

    Quote Posted by viking (here)
    I see Jesus as a messenger...I often wonder where he came from? Do you?
    I have no idea -- honestly.

    Quote Posted by viking (here)
    Also in much of the information you have mentioned he clearly states that he will return for his flock...just wondered what your interpretation/thoughts of this are ... ?
    My interpretation of that (and those words have been mistranslated and 'spun' many times over) is that his real message would return to wide awareness. Not the man or the being himself.

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    Default Re: The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign

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    I threw the Urantia book away. The only kind of "religious book" that I ever threw away. I think it is full of misinformation. It had been given to me by the worst witch you can think of. I literally mean it.
    Quote Guitarpikk: aside from who gave it to you... why is it that you feel this way...have you any obvious discrepancies you can state...

    I am sure I've read online about it being 'debunked' and I'm sure there are some good points raised in those arguments...however I am just wanting your reason(s) you feel this way and what it is based on.
    I do not have it anymore, so i cannot give specific discrepancies, and discrepancies compared with what? To have discrepancies, you have to have a comparative.

    I read it all and remember enjoying it if I took it as a science fi book (i do like science fiction). But, contrarily to some science fiction books containing a large amount of truth, I thought Urantia book was rather not true. At the most, explaining another planet reality, but most probably just imagination.

    Why? Because the woman who gave it to me had been part of a church, pretty high near the head of it, that promoted heavily the reading and usage of Urantia book. Yet, she was beating up children, had deep knowledge of herbal usage for nefarious purposes, used magic for her own benefit, was stealing and lying, name it (took me a while to see it, but there was no mistaking about this). I was sure that the precise book given to me had been charged with nefarious energies, so I threw it away.

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    Bill, I remember while reading it finding a lots of references to the ordinary bible stories, twisted another way. Plus additions from imaginative people. As an example, I clearly remember that people were traveling in a sacz that were hanging down from huge birds (the tork stories, but for adult people), it was a mode of locomotion way way back. And all kind of stuff like this.
    Last edited by Flash; 30th July 2013 at 18:30.

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    Default Re: The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign

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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    I threw the Urantia book away. The only kind of "religious book" that I ever threw away. I think it is full of misinformation. It had been given to me by the worst witch you can think of. I literally mean it.
    Quote Guitarpikk: aside from who gave it to you... why is it that you feel this way...have you any obvious discrepancies you can state...

    I am sure I've read online about it being 'debunked' and I'm sure there are some good points raised in those arguments...however I am just wanting your reason(s) you feel this way and what it is based on.
    I do not have it anymore, so i cannot give specific discrepancies, and discrepancies compared with what? To have discrepancies, you have to have a comparative.

    I read it all and remember enjoying it if I took it as a science fi book (i do like science fiction). But, contrarily to some science fiction books containing a large amount of truth, I thought Urantia book was rather not true. At the most, explaining another planet reality, but most probably just imagination.

    Why? Because the woman who gave it to me had been part of a church, pretty high near the head of it, that promoted heavily the reading and usage of Urantia book. Yet, she was beating up children, had deep knowledge of herbal usage for nefarious purposes, used magic for her own benefit, was stealing and lying, name it (took me a while to see it, but there was no mistaking about this). I was sure that the precise book given to me had been charged with nefarious energies, so I threw it away.

    Edit:

    Bill, I remember while reading it finding a lots of references to the ordinary bible stories, twisted another way. Plus additions from imaginative people. As an example, I clearly remember that people were traveling in a sacz that were hanging down from huge birds (the tork stories, but for adult people), it was a mode of locomotion way way back. And all kind of stuff like this.
    Hi Flash,

    I just want to add my voice to yours on the Urantia book (a subject to be moved to another thread so as to not derail this one).

    It has much right but a hidden agenda is palpable to my senses. The intuitive sense that it implants wrong intent in the reader made me put it down and never look for it again.

    If we are to take the teachings of Jesus and Mary Magdalene at their core truth we must learn to trust our inner Self knowingness, tune into that for there are the keys. Our susceptibility to undesirable influences will only end when we truly know ourselves.


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