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    Quote Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom." This stuck out to me in relation to what I was talking about earlier.
    Love percieved everything undividedly through unified perception?

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    The concept of Jesus surviving and going off to start a family elsewhere was not unbelievable to me. I know His whole story was doctored up well in the programming that became standard after they created the bible.


    I find it significant that once again, a story is altered to obscure the power of a man and woman walking together.


    The book I referred to early in this thread asserted that His literal bloodline had been preserved with every bit as much care as we know the elites still do today. They implied a literal heir will rise some day and be King.


    My layman's feeling was/is that our connection is not bound by the blood in our veins but by something happening in our heart.


    It's like he lived out a template for demonstration purposes: Any one of us can live a life as if you are a child/son/daughter of God, while walking in flesh and bringing as much Heaven to Earth as you can.


    Open the door no one can shut = Our heart

    Close the door no one can open = Personal Soveriegnty

    And like Kimberly shares so well. It can be fun.


    It can become so real, so life changing, that it easily creates situations where someone like David Icke can innocently refer to himself as Son of God without realizing that the average person won't get it. Watch his body language in that old video. He was not boasting something.


    With a gathering of people like those who share here so well, it seems we could almost flip a switch and let people to follow skip the part of studying ancient history. I am grateful to have lived long enough to see a thread like this manifest.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Jesus specifically taught that we should not use violent means (or fight evil with evil), but instead fortify ourselves inwardly. Reaching or attaining the all-powerful and important 'kingdom of heaven' was an inner goal, not an external one.
    As a hypnotherapist, understanding the different systems of psychology the 'enlightened ones' were using has been my passion for pretty much the last 10 years. The Aquarian age is definitely bringing a shift, a second coming, the revealing of the mystery teachings that make people sovereign within themselves. I've actually just published my first eBook on Amazons kindle store that goes into these topics.

    If any Avalonians want a free copy, PM me and I'll send you the PDF.



    It's only in the last couple hundred years that people have freely begun to start studying the power of the human spirit again (without fear of being burnt at the stake).
    In the late 1700's, thanks largely to the work of St Germaine, there was a big push to get these systems of psychological alchemy out into the public consciousness. It's the time when hundreds of secret societies were being established. It was safer to set up lots of small secret societies with only a handful of members than it was to have one big secret society with hundreds of members. Safer for individual members this way as it keeps the wider group of people safeguarded should any one group be compromised or accused of witchcraft.

    According to Manly Hall, St Germaine was largely teaching 3 areas of discipline...Essenian Kaballa, Alexandrian Hermeticism and Eastern Alchemy. And it was taught in a 12 stage process to mimic the 12 months of the celestial zodiac, the heroes journey of consciousness. An alchemy process that turns man from base instinctive animal to fully illuminated soul.

    The tragic side to all this is that many of these secret societies became infiltrated by members of the Bavarian Illuminati, which was also becoming increasingly prevalent at that time.

    When you read the book The Illuminati Formula Used to Create An Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave by Cisco Wheeler and Fritz Springmeier, It's evident the illuminati discovered St Germaines 12 step alchemy process for soul liberation and have bastardised the process, using it for destructive purposes, crushing peoples spirits instead of freeing them and turning them into soulless mind slaves.

    The tide is definitely turning though as more people wake up and realise what's going on, once people understand the mind slave techniques then they'll be able to inoculate themselves against them and start using the alchemy process for liberating the planet once again as it was originally intended. A process which seems to already be under way.

    The second coming has arrived and we're all in the midst of its unfoldment, it's going to be a wild ride.

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    Quote Posted by ThresholdRising (here)
    Quote Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom." This stuck out to me in relation to what I was talking about earlier.
    Love percieved everything undividedly through unified perception?
    The essence of every thing you perceive is as vividly a part of you as your own heartbeat. As much a part of you as your own hand.
    It's like that.
    You can't form pictures from concepts anymore, because all historical data is lost. It was completely untrue. You were never separate. Your mind stopped analyzing what you saw, and began to experience it.
    You regurgitated the apple. You trusted God enough to be able to experience it again.
    There have never been separate 'things'. God would obviously seem missing amongst separate things. Things remain separate though judgement.
    Then suddenly God's there. God's as much of you, as you are of God. There's no concept of it possible. It has to 'happen'.

    And then you tend to see things differently. Hey, that's what Jesus told me.
    When you were a baby, you couldn't tell 'you' from your mother. That's as it should be.

    That's not off-topic. Last time I saw Jesus was in my loungeroom just a few years ago. If you want hard data on Jesus, you'll have to make yourself available to encounter it directly. Otherwise you'll have to rely on hearsay.

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    Quote Posted by ThresholdRising (here)
    Quote Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom." This stuck out to me in relation to what I was talking about earlier.
    Love perceived everything undividedly through unified perception?
    That is the way I read the first part, well when I first read that quote, I rexperienced
    an earlier experience of unity consciousness.
    The rest about fashioning things in place of them selves sounds like the principles of duplication as found in the Hubbard material.
    It is also similar to the unfindable inquiry process that Scott Kiloby teaches folks.
    That is especially focused on dissolving things that are holding in beliefs of being a separate self.
    This type of thing is found in the apocrypha , of the catholic bible.
    Focusing on the stories of great teachers seem to be what most common forms of religion are about, but there are allways examples around from all schools of spiritual thought that have found practices that help return them to their real, internal selves.

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    His story can be the most significant and pertinent or frowned upon one. There are many researches and would be scholars, yet rarely anyone among them can go beyond it's human self. Always there is either a personal or deliberate filter of distorted human mind present and so the story and practices are also distorted.

    The meaning is rarely literal and wording used is that of an era it was written in. A tremendous task, describing raison d'etre, using "primitive linguistics".

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    (like the Gospel of Thomas, which meticulously lists his recorded words ) -- were really ordered to be banned and burned as heresy
    It is soothing to see Thomas being mentioned. The Bible of today is much too much adjusted. It always was. The so called KJV (king James version) is the "reliable" Bible source.

    Yet what can be found in the Gospel of Thomas is precious to the mind, if mind can see and if the body can follow. If human can step out of it's little cocoon of social norms and artificial moral standards - the human hypocrisy.

    Jesus died once due to it, due to the human mind. He did not fit into the society, such as it was back then. Sadly, He very likely would not fit into it today either. Humans think they know better. They could not have been more wrong.

    He was hated and killed by those who proclaimed themselves to know better and have righteous ways.

    "i am you, you are him and he is me"

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    Mary Magdalene came forward and said: "My Lord, how many years of the years of the world is a year of the Light?"

    Jesus answered and said unto Mary: "A day of the Light is a thousand years in the world, so that thirty-six-myriads of years and a half-myriad of years of the world are a single year of the Light. (Pistis Sophia, c.99)

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    Mary […] said unto Jesus: "My Lord and Saviour, of what manner then are the four-and-twenty invisibles and of what type, or rather of what quality are they, or of what quality is then their light?"

    And Jesus answered and said unto Mary: "[…] The four-and-twenty invisibles shine ten-thousand times more than the light of the sun which is in this world […]But the light of the sun in its shape in truth, which is in the region of the Virgin of Light, shineth ten-thousand times more than the four-and-twenty invisibles […]" (Pistis Sophia, c.83/84)

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    Mary Magdalene came forward again, continued and said unto Jesus: "My Lord, in what type will be those who have received the mystery of the Light, in the midst of the last Helper?"

    And Jesus answered and said unto Mary in the midst of the disciples: "They who have received the mystery of the Light, if they come out of the body of the matter of the rulers, then will every one be in his order according to the mystery which he hath received. Those who have received the higher mysteries, will abide in the higher order; those who have received the lower mysteries will be in the lower orders. In a word, up to what region every one hath received mysteries, there will he abide in his order in the Inheritance of the Light. For which cause I have said unto you aforetime: 'Where your heart is, there will your treasure be,'--that is up to what region every one hath received mysteries, there shall he be." (Pistis Sophia, c.90)

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    its true that a common world appraisal rises from snippets (..sigma6), that the reading of the whole leads to a better image. Books left out ... enoch, fitting into the OT, and many NT books. Its hard to find direct thought from the Masters mouth, even in the Nag Hammadi library, the juicy bits seem expunged, like in the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, the first 3 Chapters are missing, as-well as from Chapter 6-7, with the last part of Cp5 showing what gets expunged ...5v11) The Savior answered and said, He does not see through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind that is between the two that is what sees the vision and it is [...]
    (pages 11 - 14 are missing from the manuscript)

    ..during the time the family escaped to Egypt, it seems reasonable that Yeshua studied at an Essenian conclave. From the time of his minority to 20's, from the DC books on the Essenes, that he was at the Quram place with John for a time of intense study under several masters (the church seems to drive at peoples need for 'salvation', wrongly calling its scrappy teachings as that of the west, and calling eastern contents heretical, ..infact, now I see no line bt the two), the person DC regressed was a teacher of the law, and then there were several specialists, including those in charkr-ic meditation. In his home further north, Y would have had access to those of the Nasoraen gnostic tradition {regarding inthemselves those of the Pharasic Law teachings as slim}, in collaboration with skeleton elements of the Essenian way.... the essenians themselves as preservators of atleantean-way.

    He didn't have to die for sinners. the Holy Blood and the Holy Grail book seems to emphasize his crucifixion as staged, its quite shrewd to use a zealot disciple to call in the chips, and escape in the confusion. The HB&theHG says it has document proof of a King Jesus in Egypt. It would have been quite in keeping with his aims to have gone east to Kashmir, of-course too, the Quram facility dissolved, hid away texts and probably went to the four corners of the wind to preserve teachings in the pots it would best grow in (those where there is continuous practice and research into those topics)

    ...that's my own storified belief, minus the scrupulous research into timelines to see when and if this was possible. The great profit of such a tread is finding book-titles that can be read from those who spent sweat
    ...those who put him in Egypt [?/would] see him as a founder in Hermetic tradition. Either case, very shrewd,, one has an outward tradition promulgated by Peter and Paul, readying those for an inner tradition,,,that may be part of the convergence of our times
    (..I'd like to know where monks come from. Paul regards it as forced by expectation, in opposition to the true human being, citing OT-Law scripture, that the Ox who grinds the wheel, should have corn strewn across his path. Certainly people learn better in a conclave, but is it necessary to amputate the limb of hope to a vow of chastity. Why not have teaching in society ABROAD, and have less thieves of the soul {poverty leads to exploitation of the roles}. I can though see where monks in the west come from, but how did they arise in the East, what misunderstanding or image gave rise to this?)
    The Thought of Norea: They heard, (and) they received - into - place forever...in order that - might rest in the ineffable Epinoia, in order that - might inherit the first mind which - had received, & that - might rest in the divine Autogenes, and that - too might generate -self, just as - also has inherited the living Logos, & that - might be joined to all of the Imperishable Ones, and speak with the mind of the Father

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    Quote Posted by Prodigal Son (here)
    Thought this would interest you...

    Gnostic Kabbalah refers to Jesus as a Bodishattva who had many incarnations. Edgar Cayce said the same:

    Edgar Cayce on the Reincarnations of Jesus
    Christ as the Crowning Glory of Ancient Mysticism


    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen049.html
    This is a really important post in my opinion. It is really amazing to think that "Jesus" was actually the last incarnation of that very special entity. Edgar Cayce undoubtedly got his information from the Akashic Records and all the information of everything that ever has happened is stored there. I don't doubt the validity of the source at all.

    "Jesus Christ knew he was God. So wake up and find out eventually who you really are. In our culture, of course, they’ll say you’re crazy and you’re blasphemous, and they’ll either put you in jail or in a nut house (which is pretty much the same thing). However if you wake up in India and tell your friends and relations, ‘My goodness, I’ve just discovered that I’m God,’ they’ll laugh and say, ‘Oh, congratulations, at last you found out."

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    Mahatma Gandhi:

    “(When asked what he thought of Western civilization): 'I think it would be a good idea.”
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    Very succinct sigma. Very right on for this juncture in our evolution. I concur, we are in for a shift in consciousness, as we are seeing the signs everywhere. Distill everything down to energy and it makes perfect sense.

    Oh, and it's the late David Hawkin's who wrote "Power v Force", an excellent read for those who have not read it.

    [edit]I'm loving this thread by the way. So many who are participating would calibrate quite high on Dr. Hawkin's energetic scale (if light could actually be measured linearly, of course). It gives me hope that we are waking up and vibrating the collective.
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    I think Jesus existed. like many here, it's not based on any sort of research, or dogma being forced down my throat, but more of a hunch.

    it is easy to pick apart the Jesus story - it's so ridiculous - but as Bill said, that doesn't mean he didn't exist.

    I think it's telling that during all my various phases throughout my evolution, whether it be Buddhism, Hinduism, Ufology, Wicca etc..., I've always (and still do sometimes) gone and sat under a Jesus statue at the local church whenever I've had a real problem that needed sorting out. Despite it all, my Catholic roots, and mainly my Jesus connection, has always remained strong.

    quick story: like everyone else here, ive adopted and discarded various philosophies, sets of beliefs etc on my way to the person I am today. but I always ( particularly as a younger man) felt vaguely guilty doing it. maybe it was just typical Catholic guilt made manifest - I don't know. but I had a dream one night, a lucid dream, where I was approached by a man I believed to be Jesus, and without saying anything he reassured me that it was perfectly ok for me to explore other religions and faiths and philosophies. it was profoundly emotional. I awoke with tears in my eyes, feeling 50 pounds lighter.

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    Good thread, thank you Bill for starting it. One book that I have found to be very informative is
    The Meaning of Mary Magdalene: Discovering the Woman at the heart of Christianity. I have studied with its author and she has an interesting perspective for me. She had mentioned that the relationship between Mary M and Jesus was of the type of intimacy that the feeling or inner meanings of his teachings were better absorbed and internalized in Mary M than the other disciples. She stayed somewhat away from whether or not they were having sex but that they defiantly had a greater connection and therefore understanding. She does not at all believe in the prostitute thing and spends a bit of time disproving that. Her viewpoint is that Mary M was probably a well off Jewish woman who helped Jesus in his travels and preaching both financially and personally. She quotes quite a bit from the Gospel of Thomas and or the Gospel of Mary Magdalene and a bit from one of the not included books of Peter concerning Mary M and Jesus’s relationship.
    She mentioned, I don’t remember if it was in her book or one of her talks that Mary of Bethany was a nick name that Jesus had given her in informality and that they are one and the same.
    A good informative read for those interested in Mary Magdalene, very different from what I was taught in my youth.

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    I’ve read many slightly differing stories about the live of Yeshua or Esu. The most plausible and consistent one I've found goes very much with which was said in the OP. Esu survived crucifixion, was healed and went to India, where he married again and had 5 children with his Indian wife. He lived in Kashmir where he died at the age of 105. Esu’s first wife Mary Magdalene left Palastine after the crucifixion together with their daughter Sa-Ra. They were accompanied by Joseph of Arimathea (the one who offered his grave to Esu). Together, they went to France. Joseph went further north to Ireland and became a highly respected christian teacher there, Mary Magdalene and Sa-Ra remained in France. Currently I don’t remember where I’ve got this version from but I will do a little research and deliver the source subsequently, when found.

    Recently I’ve finished reading the Christ letters and that was an interesting experience. It’s channelled material and I know about the critical attitude of Avalonians with channelled messages (and rightly so) but this is a fascinating read to say the least.

    The letters were published in 2004. The channeler is not named, the source of the messages is Christ himself. On the first page of the letters Christ explains:

    I HAVE COME expressly to rectify the misinterpretations of my Teachings in Palestine because all Church dogma is impeding your spiritual progress as thousands of people are discovering world-wide.
    ***

    As you read these Letters, you will realise that they could only have come from the HIGHEST SPIRITUAL SOURCE adapted to limits of present worldly understanding. “

    I’ve read the letters. The outlined concepts were not really new to me so it was an easy read. Although I was familiar with most of the subjects he was talking about, the letters deepened my understanding of how creation works and how everything is interconnected very much and I’ve gained quite a few precious insights.

    However, the most wondrous thing while reading the Christ letters was, that my consciousness got somehow expanded or hightened. Since I’ve read the letters I feel much more at ease, more inner peace. And I have days full of immense joy without any external reason. It feels just great. Also, when I have a question or a problem, answers just pop up in my mind. And there is still more to that.

    I have spoken to other people who have read the Christ letters as well. Some of them had similar experiences. For me, those letters were an incredible valuable gift.

    If you like to check the Christ letters out yourself, they are available for free here http://www.christsway.co.za/


    Would be interesting to hear about your experiences …

    Love, Tibouchine
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    These letters are to be sold Tibouchine, something wrong there right from the start. Even our non Jesus Bill Ryan leave his forum free and relies on donations (thanks Bill). I do not think that Christ would sell his words, it makes it too restrictive as a message and for its distribution. Imo.

    Countless researchers have been trying to distribute their knowledge to help humanity for free, such as free energy people, some mystics, medical people, why would the Christ words be obtain through payment?
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    For anyone who would like to examiine the evidence that Jesus and Mary were married and practiced Sexual Magic, Sexual Yoga or o.k.a. Tantra....

    Jesus & Mary Magdalene: The Sacred Marriage in Gnosticism

    http://www.llewellyn.com/journal/article/659

    What is Sexual Magic?

    http://gnosticteachings.org/faqs/sex...ual-magic.html

    This practice was widespread among many ancient civilizations. It is all laid out in "Sex In History" by Reay Tannahill ...

    http://www.amazon.com/Sex-History-Re.../dp/0349104867

    Gnostic Kabbalah says that there is no way Jesus attains 100% Awakened Master without Mary....

    http://gnosticteachings.org/the-teac...-in-egypt.html

    Now the covered up history of "Jehovah" in the Jewish Temple was that he had a wife that resided with him in the Most Holy.... Her name was Shekinah. She is the Divine Feminine. "As Above, So Below". Just as you cannot create life on earth without the two sexes, you cannot have a male narcissist god in the sky. There would be no Creation without Sacred Sex. Unfortunately the vast majority of people today practice sex for the soul purpose of animalistic gratification, they do not treat it as something sacred, and this is one of the biggest reasons for human degeneration.

    The good news is, the Divine Feminine is returning, so that we can be liberated from the Demiurge.

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    Quote Posted by Flash (here)
    These letters are to be sold Tibouchine, something wrong there right from the start. Even our non Jesus Bill Ryan leave his forum free and relies on donations (thanks Bill). I do not think that Christ would sell his words, it makes it too restrictive as a message and for its distribution. Imo.

    Countless researchers have been trying to distribute their knowledge to help humanity for free, such as free energy people, some mystics, medical people, why would the Christ words be obtain through payment?
    Flash, those letters are free, you can download them as pdf http://www.christsway.co.za/dletters.php - no need to pay for. I've read the German translation. All other translations are free as well. Enjoy the read!

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    In this Morton Stith`s lecture on the gnostics, he gives 3 quotations from their gospels (that he says are buddhist in their temper (buddhist «koans»)). These has to be understood intuitively, not rationally, he says:

    1. Look to yourself to see if you has yet arisen.

    2. You will in your life experience many creations (genesis).

    3. Look into yourself and you will find within that which will save you. If you do not look within and discover that which will save you then instead it will destroy you.

    Stith talks about how the gnostics were passionate Christians, devoted followers of Christ; and thats all they thought about. And this is why the church had to get rid of them, because they could not be controlled.

    They would not subject themselves to any kind of orthodoxy, and they themselves had no orthodoxy what so ever, he says. They were all over the landscape.

    Other notes from the lecture:

    The buddhist concept «mu» (nothingness charged with somethingness).

    Gnosis doesnt mean knowledge, but rather knowing, as in a process.

    The Gnostics thinks that there is an understanding (german; verstehen) that one can have about Christ. And also a deeper and more profound understanding (besser verstehen).

    Elaine Pagels; the Gospel of John is a Gnostic gospel.

    Every civilisation has a concept of what history is, the study of this is called historiography. And every civilisation has a geometrical projection that it imposes on history and devises a pattern with which to view it.

    The historical historiography of Christianity (which in its uniqeness is linear in its vision of truth and reality). Quelle.
    Homoousian controversy (substance of Christ, orthodox conclusion, Irenaeus, Council of Trent, 1545-63).
    We now see the church -if you know the gnostic gospels- in a whole different way. Nag Hammadi, Dead Sea Scrolls, the Gospel of Judas, Thomas etc.
    «The Golden Age».
    Catholics; pope as authority (1925), protestants; the bible.
    The Gnostics were extirpated (latin; exstirpo, to pluck out by the root).



    This is a great thread.
    Thank you all.

    PS! Here is the users description of the video:

    World War II veteran Morton Stith was a US Marine raider in the Pacific. After the war Stith enrolled in a Buddhist monastery in Japan. He later became a professor of Art History. The Gnostic Gospels are a class of writings about the life of Jesus which are associated with the early mystical trend of Gnostic Christianity

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    Quote Posted by SKAWF (here)
    my understanding of what jesus was is quite different.
    the bible is a book of matephors... literal symbolism.

    jesus is the 'sun' of god.

    so we begin at the summer solstice, the sun's rays hit us directly and it is right overhead at the hottest part of the day.
    each day after the summer solstice, the suns high point drops by 2 degree's, and it keeps dropping by two degree's every day until....
    the winter solstice, where the suns rays catch us more in a glancing blow, than a direct hit.

    for three days, the suns high point does not change.

    then on the 25th december (technically its the eve before the 25th) the suns high point rises two degree's higher every day until its max, on the summer solstice.

    the 'sun' of god is born on christmas day. (that's when the solar years begins)
    prior to that though, the sun is in decline, and when it reaches its lowest point... it is (metaphorically speaking) dead.
    and it stays dead for three days, after which it is resurrected.

    thats how we get jesus dying for three days, then a resurrection.

    there's more.

    if you begin at the star of the east, and draw a line through the three stars of orions belt (also known as the three kings)
    and bring that line down to the horizon, that , will be where the 'sun' of god will be born.
    thus we get the three kings following the star of the east to where the son of god will be born.

    they change the names of the trinity every age. this age its jesus mary and the holy spirit,
    but in babylonian times it was tamus, semiramis, and nimrod. go back even further into ancient egypt and it was osiris, isis, and horus.
    so given that the trinity predates the current doctrine, how Can there have been an actual man called jesus?,
    and for that matter, if the keep changing the names every age, how can the current religion actually be the one truth?

    we are in the age of pisces atm, which is why there is a lot of fish symbolism knocking about,
    there is even a reference in the bible to someone asking christ how long he will be there,
    and he said something like, go to a place and look for a man with a pitcher of water (aquarius)

    if you look at the last supper by da vinci, notice that the 12 disciples are arranged into 4 groups of three.
    with jesus in the middle. the twelve disciples are the twelve signs of the zodiac, arranged into the four seasons of the solar year.

    this goes back to ancient egypt. there was no man called jesus. imo.
    I stand behind those words, too.

    For me Jesus, Mary and the rest of the story is a symbolic way of broadcasting a deeper and more complex meaning that unfolds in layers.

    And I agree Jesus is a bodhistattva and he (the real-life person) has been married to Mary and has practiced sexual magic. I believed he has practiced this type of magic from the time he has been to Egypt.
    I always try to think of the real person and the symbolic figure as different layers of the meaning.

    I wanted to do a small remark regarding the idea that we are all Jesus, God etc. We are the POTENTIAL to become bodhisattvas, but until the moment we raise to that level, we are still only the potential.
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    There is a little more to the Mary Magdalen story than this smear campaign. It involves the identifying of her too with a mythical figure, namely what Robert Graves calls the Triple Goddess or the White Goddess, and which the poet Ted Hughes applies to a sizeable chunk of Shakespeare in Shakespeare and the Goddess of Complete Being. This is a lengthy explanation whose thesis is that Shakespeare was using the theatre as a ploy to expose his Catholic views at a time when Puritanism was persecuting Catholics. Simplifying outrageously, the eternal feminine (the Goddess of Complete Being), he says, was the major battleground at this time, espoused by Catholicism and rejected by Puritanism. She comprises at once the mother figure, the pure bride and the whore (representing her sexuality), which are not separable without leading to tragedy. Several plays explore different failures to reconcile these aspects of woman. For example, Othello, who loves his loving wife, kills the whore; or Hamlet, whose hesitation is because killing the whore also means killing his mother, while facing this dilemma collapses his relationship with his chaste bride Ophelia, whom he packs off to a nunnery; you get the picture.

    From this perspective, misogynistic Pauline Christianity corresponds to Puritanism and counterintuitively Catholicism would be its heretical offshoot – the main difference being the acknowledged importance of women, with the emphasis on Mary the mother, Mary Magdalen the bride and sexual partner. It is somewhat ironic that the Catholic Church is criticized today for manifestly not doing enough for women. And back in the Elizabethan era, at a time when people were getting hanged, drawn and quartered for this major difference of opinion, Shakespeare was a whistle-blower and spiritual guide of the first order, using the fiction of the theatre to speak some unsavory truths.

    This myth is often to be found in modern fiction as well. In French, Mary Magdalen is Marie Madeleine. Thus in Proust’s In Search of Lost Time, she is a central mythical figure, not only for the famous madeleine cake and tea episode and its discreet connection with the narrator’s mother, but also the connection with his lover, alternating chasteness and promiscuity and stirring love and jealousy. This is also the theme of James Joyce’s Ulysses, whose hero, Leopold Bloom, copes rather better with the sometimes unfaithful goddess figure he is married to. And the theme can be traced through The Arabian Nights in which the wife is fighting for her life all the way back to The Odyssey, in which the man is fighting for his wife.

    So there was a whole lot going on long before Dan Brown came on the scene to popularize the story. We need to see the power of myth not simply as a way of spreading disinformation about real individuals but also as the universal relevance given to universal issues. Learning the truth about Mary Magdalen can help remove the smears to the individual; it can also help us deal with this endless issue of male violence due to (over)possessiveness, incomprehension and ultimately fear of the fair sex.


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