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    I am reading the answers to my questions in a pdf that you provided in another post Ray.

    The Black Lodge
    http://www.laurency.com/L5e/L5e23.pdf
    hylozoic tenet: “Consciousness sleeps in the stone, dreams in the plant, awakens in the animal, and becomes self-conscious in man.”

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    Quote Posted by Strat (here)
    Are Luciferians the same as Satanists? I ask because I believe the term Satanist gets thrown around a lot as well, but I don't think actual Satanists worship anything.
    I know nothing of luciferianism, just haven't studied it yet.

    However, this seems to make a lot of sense:


    William Cooper explaining Lucifarianism (remember, he's very biased):
    http://vimeo.com/13404455

    Satanists have a few sects, but over all, satanists worship "them selves", personal power, the strength of "I/Me".

    These are somewhat helpful:

    AutoDeistic sect (science/philosophy based Satanism):


    Laveyan Satanism:


    The tatoo on my arm is very Satanic; it is a cross of Knowledge Is Power (in Latin: Scientia Potentia Est) with Iconoclast (a very satanic/complex term)

    I've found through my research that I practice a form of Satanism, though I don't label it as such; I find all the threads blaming "Satanists" for this or that funny, but I have never tried to corrected them.

    The lack of critical thought in this world is astounding.
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    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    IMO, the dead seas scrolls should be the only referenced material, since it is the least edited version we know of, have you looked into those?
    This is an interesting conundrum...because we find some old text and immediately think it is the truth.
    The people who wrote some of the ancient texts might have been as corrupt or ignorant as those we believe we have verified as false.

    We have the same problem with material which comes from channelling...more than likely the information comes from some dead guy who's ego loves the attention it brings him/her from all the suckers on the earth plane, eager to accept the garbage he/she is channelling.

    The other problem with translation of ancient writings is the slant it might take based on the beliefs and philosophy of the translator. No matter how neutral they think they are IMO some personal belief is bound to take place.

    So you could get a case where the real truth is very far from what the end translation is. All you need to do is note all the different interpretations of the parables in the bible and in gnostic writings.
    How true. We have a pretty good idea how the Nicean Councils created the New Testament, and it appears that the OT is just as unreliable, even if you DO find the "original" versions....

    http://www.essene.com/History&Essenes/ezlaw.htm

    Quote Ezra Creates His "Law of Moses"

    Ezra is credited, by Jewish tradition, with the compilation of the books of the Old Testament. In this ancient apocryphal acount of 2nd Esdras, or 4th Ezra, the books of the Old Testament are not only said to be put together by Ezra, but actually "channeled", or written by him! If this account is not historically accurate, it is at least allegorically correct in its assertion that some redactor, about the time of Ezra, wrote down a hodge podge of religious traditions and cultic practices and called it the "Law of Moses".

    In this account Ezra laments that there is no existing Law, for all copies of it have been burnt or destroyed upon his return to the land of Palestine. His solution to this situation is to simply write a new one. Ezra had not been raised with the Law, for he and all his generation had grown up in exile in Babylon where animals were sacrificed as a form of worship. Had his generation possessed copies of the true Law during their exile, Ezra would not have said that no copies had survived. With no firsthand knowledge of the ancient Law of Moses, Ezra was forced to write a new and different Law based on his own experiences in exile. Ezra called this new law the "Law of Moses". Ezra's "new law" was no doubt based partially on older oral tradition, and perhaps even included scraps of earlier written material, but its main core of animal sacrifice was most certainly not part of the original Law of Moses.

    "The Nasaraeans . . .They acknowledged Moses and believed that he had received laws - not this law, however, but some other. And so, they were Jews who kept all the Jewish observances, but they would not offer sacrifice or eat meat. They considered it unlawful to eat meat or make sacrifices with it. They claim that these Books (of Moses) are fictions, and that none of these customs were instituted by the fathers.(Panarion 1:18)

    The animal sacrifice cult portrayed in Ezra's Law was condemned by Yeshua (Jesus) and by all true Nasarenes who adhered to the more ancient and true law of Moses.

    And Jesus answered: "Seek not the law in your scriptures, for the law is life, whereas the scripture is dead. (Essene Gospel of Peace - Szekely)

    Apocrypha Acount of 4 Ezra 14,15

    [1] On the third day, while I was sitting under an oak, behold, a voice came out of a bush opposite me and said, "Ezra, Ezra."
    [2] And I said, "Here I am, Lord," and I rose to my feet.
    [3] Then he said to me, "I revealed myself in a bush and spoke to Moses, when my people were in bondage in Egypt;
    [4] and I sent him and led my people out of Egypt; and I led him up on Mount Sinai, where I kept him with me many days;
    [5] and I told him many wondrous things, and showed him the secrets of the times and declared to him the end of the times. Then I commanded him, saying,
    [6] `These words you shall publish openly, and these you shall keep secret.'
    [7] And now I say to you;
    [8] Lay up in your heart the signs that I have shown you, the dreams that you have seen, and the interpretations that you have heard;
    [9] for you shall be taken up from among men, and henceforth you shall live with my Son and with those who are like you, until the times are ended.
    [10] For the age has lost its youth, and the times begin to grow old.
    [11] For the age is divided into twelve parts, and nine of its parts have already passed,
    [12] as well as half of the tenth part; so two of its parts remain, besides half of the tenth part.
    [13] Now therefore, set your house in order, and reprove your people; comfort the lowly among them, and instruct those that are wise. And now renounce the life that is corruptible,
    [14] and put away from you mortal thoughts; cast away from you the burdens of man, and divest yourself now of your weak nature,
    [15] and lay to one side the thoughts that are most grievous to you, and hasten to escape from these times.
    [16] For evils worse than those which you have now seen happen shall be done hereafter.
    [17] For the weaker the world becomes through old age, the more shall evils be multiplied among its inhabitants.
    [18] For truth shall go farther away, and falsehood shall come near. For the eagle which you saw in the vision is already hastening to come."
    [19] Then I answered and said, "Let me speak in thy presence, Lord.

    [20] For behold, I will go, as thou hast commanded me, and I will reprove the people who are now living; but who will warn those who will be born hereafter?

    For the world lies in darkness, and its inhabitants are without light.
    [21] For thy law has been burned, and so no one knows the things which have been done or will be done by thee.
    [22] If then I have found favor before thee, send the Holy Spirit into me, and I will write everything that has happened in the world from the beginning, the things which were written in thy law, that men may be able to find the path, and that those who wish to live in the last days may live."
    [23] He answered me and said, "Go and gather the people, and tell them not to seek you for forty days.
    [24] But prepare for yourself many writing tablets, and take with you Sarea, Dabria, Selemia, Ethanus, and Asiel -- these five, because they are trained to write rapidly;
    [25] and you shall come here, and I will light in your heart the lamp of understanding, which shall not be put out until what you are about to write is finished.
    [26] And when you have finished, some things you shall make public, and some you shall deliver in secret to the wise; tomorrow at this hour you shall begin to write."


    [27] Then I went as he commanded me, and I gathered all the people together, and said, [28] "Hear these words, O Israel
    [29] At first our fathers dwelt as aliens in Egypt, and they were delivered from there,
    [30] and received the law of life, which they did not keep, which you also have transgressed after them.
    [31] Then land was given to you for a possession in the land of Zion; but you and your fathers committed iniquity and did not keep the ways which the Most High commanded you.
    [32] And because he is a righteous judge, in due time he took from you what he had given.
    [33] And now you are here, and your brethren are farther in the interior.
    [34] If you, then, will rule over your minds and discipline your hearts, you shall be kept alive, and after death you shall obtain mercy.
    [35] For after death the judgment will come, when we shall live again; and then the names of the righteous will become manifest, and the deeds of the ungodly will be disclosed.
    [36] But let no one come to me now, and let no one seek me for forty days."
    [37] So I took the five men, as he commanded me, and we proceeded to the field, and remained there.


    [38] And on the next day, behold, a voice called me, saying, "Ezra, open your mouth and drink what I give you to drink."
    [39] Then I opened my mouth, and behold, a full cup was offered to me; it was full of something like water, but its color was like fire.
    [40] And I took it and drank; and when I had drunk it, my heart poured forth understanding, and wisdom increased in my breast, for my spirit retained its memory;
    [41] and my mouth was opened, and was no longer closed.
    [42] And the Most High gave understanding to the five men, and by turns they wrote what was dictated, in characters which they did not know. They sat forty days, and wrote during the daytime, and ate their bread at night.
    [43] As for me, I spoke in the daytime and was not silent at night.
    [44] So during the forty days ninety-four books were written.
    [45] And when the forty days were ended, the Most High spoke to me, saying, "Make public the twenty-four books that you wrote first and let the worthy and the unworthy read them;
    [46] but keep the seventy that were written last, in order to give them to the wise among your people.
    [47] For in them is the spring of understanding, the fountain of wisdom, and the river of knowledge."
    [48] And I did so.
    4Ezra.15

    [1] The Lord says, "Behold, speak in the ears of my people the words of the prophecy which I will put in your mouth,
    [2] and cause them to be written on paper; for they are trustworthy and true.


    [3] Do not fear the plots against you, and do not be troubled by the unbelief of those who oppose you.
    [4] For every unbeliever shall die in his unbelief."
    [5] "Behold," says the Lord, "I bring evils upon the world, the sword and famine and death and destruction.

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    This is also a very good link...

    Study of Oahspe: The Bible, Jesus and the Essenes

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    Hi dear Eram
    Quote Posted by Eram (here)
    Drunvalo mechizedek teaches that the forces of dark and light act as a timing device, so that everything happens in a subsequent order.
    With the absence of dark forces, every life form would immediately evolve back to source.
    I found that always a very logic and trustworthy explanation, although Drunvalo himself may be subjected to what you call spiritual glamour, he has much to say that made sense to me.
    Although, in some round about way, this may hold some truth...it is misleading. This has the notion of some god placing evil on the planet to trip us up and hold us back. It is not the dark forces that hold us back it is our failure to understand what evolution is. The dark forces are just evidence of what can happen if you get lost from your goal.
    Quote Posted by Eram (here)
    If you say that this Dark lodge is only part of life on earth and nowhere else in the cosmos, is that the same as saying that there are no dark forces at work outside this planet?
    Yes...Terra is the current home of a collection of Beings from all over the cosmos. New ones, older ones who are just laggards, and some just plain bad ones. The question is which one are you?
    Quote Posted by Eram (here)
    I would love it if you would tell more about this.
    I am trying my best
    Quote Posted by Eram (here)
    -Do you also know more about how the three levels of this dark lodge communicate with entities of other levels?
    The ones in the astral influence by telepathy by dropping emotional thoughts into your aura.
    Quote Posted by Eram (here)
    -The lords of darkness/cosmic black magicians, is their link between the 2th and 1th self unbroken or are these beings of a different nature all together?
    The First Self and the Second Self is connected by the Causal Envelope which is broken in them. They are humans like you and me who have reached the highest level of human consciousness...First Self... but cannot, and in most cases, do not wish to, go further.
    Quote Posted by Eram (here)
    -Last but not least.... Why is this dark lodge something that exists only on this planet?
    Long story...read the pdf I posted...basically they were placed here by the cosmic government in an attempt to get them right...a difficult task...which should tell you of the compassion and true goals of the Planetary Hierarchy and other higher realms

    Love for now
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    Just picked up on this thread. I always questioned the concept of Satan even as a child when I watched some of the over zealous call everything that happened that they did not care for “the work of satan”. That satan caused this or that. At one point I was accused of working for the devil because I questioned something uncomfortable for my minister during my confirmation classes. Hell, I was a 13/14 year old kid with an honest question and I was accused for being with the devil. It was somewhere around there I left the church of my parents and started forming my own concepts of right or wrong. I think that there are non survival thoughts but I think we all need to take responsibility for those thoughts and not act out on them like is becoming the norm on our planet. We do have the power of choice.

    I ran across an interesting video about the history of the devil at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5mYFJ4irxM that some of you may find interesting and or informative.

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    Came across this article while researching for the Jesus-Mary-Archons thread, and I consider it to be very accurate....

    (Note: I repaired several spelling problems in this article)

    http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin....cgi?read=1025

    Quote The Luciferic Initiation

    Posted By: Faction4
    Date: Saturday, 8-Jan-2000 16:15:26

    This is probably more appropriate for our "read only" browsers, rather than the savvier RMNewsmagnets, but since it's generally useful info, here it is. (Note: "Lucifer" in the mysteries of course refers to the negative though essential pole of the cosmic ground state energy; according to occultists, this "negative" aspect has been falsely demonized and needs to be embraced, while the "Adonay" or traditional Father-God aspect has been overemphasized to the point of imbalance and perversity. BOTH aspects [which the un-illumined call "good and evil"] must be incorporated into man's consciousness in order for us to unleash our latent divinity and evolve into higher forms of gods. All deleterious portrayals of religious movements in the below are the author's fault, not mine. View the results of this philosophy below...) _____________________________________________

    THE LUCIFERIC INITIATION

    Madame Blatavsky

    Although the Masonic rites of initiation bring men into spiritual bondage to Satan, the grand matron of Theosophy, Mme. Blavatsky, complains that they fall short of the ultimate rites of passage which were practiced in ancient times:

    "There exists at present but one kind of initiation known to the public, namely that into the Masonic rites. Masonry, however, has no more secrets to give out or conceal. In the palmy days of old, the Mysteries, according to the greatest Greek and Roman philosophers, were the most sacred of all solemnities, as well as the most beneficent, and greatly promoted virtue. The Mysteries represented the passage from mortal life to finite death, and the experiences of the disembodied Spirit and Soul in the world of subjectivity."

    In other words, it is not enough that men have been bound by oaths and baptized into the sun-god, Osiris, but they must undergo a near-death, out-of-body experience. In 1891, Madame Blatavsky was succeeded as head of the Theosophical society by Annie Besant, whose influence, according to the author of "The Occult Underground", would commence the fulfillment of Blavatsky's dream. James Webb explains:

    "Under the influence of Mrs. Besant and (Charles Leadbeater), the character of the society began slowly to change. At first this change was gradual, and consisted of an amplification of the teaching of Madame Blavatsky. An aspirant after spiritual glory could apply to one of the Masters to be accepted as a pupil. In theory it was then a matter of his own efforts to rise through a series of 'initiations', each initiation being the gateway to a higher or more extensive state of consciousness. As the Masters were visited in the astral body while the physical body of the chela, it in fact depended on a clairvoyant authority to intimate what progress had been made."

    Annie Besant/The Initiation of Hitler

    The writings of Blavatsky, Besant, and Leadbeater, were translated and published in German, giving inspiration for the formation of other Theosophy-based groups in Germany and Austria. One of these was the Thule society, formed in 1912, whose prominent leaders included Rudolph Hess and Dietrich Eckart. A famous member of the Thule Society, Adolf Hitler, underwent a Luciferic initiation, assisted by his spiritual mentor, Dietrich Eckart. In "Hitler and the New Age", author Bob Rosio recorded the words of Meister Eckart:

    "I shall have influenced history more than any other German. follow Hitler! I have initiated him into the secret doctrine, opened his centers of vision and given him the means to communicate with the Powers."

    Rosio explains this as a Luciferic initiation:

    "He established communication with Lucifer, from whom he openly coveted possession... entering the service of Satan through a Luciferic Initiation.

    "Robert Cecil said, 'The Blood of Christ was replaced by the blood of the German war dead.' Their true value to Hitler was as a sacrifice to the blood-thirsty god he served. 'From the Mayas to the Nazis the shedding of blood to attract the attention of indifferent powers was the magic significance of human sacrifice.' 'He would have sacrificed the happiness of the whole human race if ordered to do so by the mysterious Force which he obeyed.' This mentality caused Hitler to say, 'Our losses never seem to be high enough.' He had realized that Satan's thirst for sacrificial death was unquenchable. It also explains why Hitler's own blood lust increased to a frenzy as the end was in sight.

    "Hitler's war in Russia demonstrated his total confidence in the occult powers which owned him and his willingness to sacrifice human lives. Hitler believed that his covenant with the occult powers enabled him to control the weather. He felt that the Russian winter would melt away before him as his forces invaded Russia. This belief was based on the occult theory of fire and ice. Hitler would be fire. Russia would be ice. He boldly sent his armies into Russia with no winter clothes and against the advice of the Russian general staff. When the German offensive began to falter and young Germans began to die by the thousands, his genearals begged him to order a retreat. Instead Hitler said 'Attack! As to the cold, I will see to that.' When the German offensive was halted within sight of Moscow, Hitler saw it only as a test, requiring more human sacrifice. He saw Stalingrad, however, as the true test, recognizing Stalingrad as the sacred city of the ancient Aryans. He felt that no amount of human suffering of death was too high a price to pay for it's conquest, that if he were faithful to Satan at Stalingrad, he would be given the final victory..."

    We should not fail to relate Hitler's metaphoric view of himself as "fire" to the present Charismatic "Revival of Fire", and also to the pagan worship of the solar god..

    **END PART ONE**

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    This is also an interesting take on Luciferic energy... While it is true that Lucifer is the Light, I have learned elsewhere that too much "Lucifer" is not a good thing, that we need balance, just like in everything else....

    http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~no...FeminineEd.htm

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    THE REAL REASON WHY WOMEN HAVE BEEN OPPRESSED
    (March, 2001)

    By Noel Huntley, Ph.D.

    Strictly, it is not women who have been suppressed, but the feminine energy--they are not exactly synonymous. This negative action might be considered to be one of the most closely guarded, certainly concealed, secrets on planet Earth for many thousands of years.

    This suppression applies to both males and females. 'Male' does not mean masculine. Physics will eventually be sufficiently advanced in the humanities to understand the ratio of masculine and feminine energies. The balanced male contains a proportion of the feminine energy component; which ideally would be 50%; that is 50/50 masculine/feminine. With this ratio the masculine energy cannot distort. The feminine energy, however, in women might be considered ideal even if 100% feminine; though a small component of masculine energy might be practical but could, however, be provided by the male. This large difference would seem to be expected since we only have to observe the huge difference on this planet between males and females---they are almost alien relative to one another (this is not easily observed because of what is taken for granted; programmed).

    If we consider the theoretical balanced male and program him to be more masculine, precisely what society encourages today with great ignorance of the big picture, he becomes aberrated; behaviour deviates from the norm (as in the condition today). And a civilisation will head towards destruction. The inspiration for even an Einstein when making a discovery, will originate within the feminine energy component within the individual, and the masculine energy will bring it to fruition. Thus the feminine initiates and creates, and the masculine energy puts it into practice. Note that similarly the female has been programmed to be more masculine.

    In terms of physics, the magnetic energy is associated with the feminine polarity, and the masculine with the electric energy. Extraterrestrial and spiritual material has been hinting at this for a while but Dr. Larry Boren even wrote a book on this in 1965, which will be reprinted and appreciated much more today. He makes it clear that the magnetic force comes first and then the electric; and appropriately adds that the electromagnetic wave should be renamed the magnetic-electric wave.

    This feminine/masculine principle is present in all universal phenomena. One of the tools of control and suppression used by the negative aliens, in particular, the Draconian reptilians, essentially operating through humans (the Illuminati, etc.), is to bias the species' energy towards the masculine. If one wants a science-fiction example of an 'advanced' civilisation which is unbalanced in this way, consider the Klingons in Star Trek.

    We must not, however, lose sight of the larger viewpoint and that any set-up even in our unbalanced civilisation would apparently have an agreed-upon purpose. This is where the Luciferic energy enters our civilisation. We all know that the idea of the Temptation has both a positive and negative implication. Its purpose was positive but it could lead into negativity. This is the principle and whether one believes in the notion of a Lucifer or not it does not change the fact that the physics of the energies unbalancing our race was of this kind.

    Interesting ET information tells us in fact that Lucifer had an imbalance towards the masculine energy. The Explorer Race books relates that his father was from Orion--a masculine source---and his mother from Sirius (feminine). The masculine energy was given dominance in Lucifer and this was the condition being presented to Earth. Our race at the mass consciousness level had agreed to this so-called experiment which had the purpose of exploring individuality, and data-processing the nature of problems, negativity, fragmented energies, to bring them into integration.

    Note that Lucifer was apparently a projection from a higher, enlightened being who would volunteer to play 'mischief maker' for this experiment. The Lucifer then operating on Earth would be programmed to forget his source and play a genuine role. The intentions were not bad, at least initially. As per this ET information, Lucifer came to Earth (with other Sirians) and didn't like what he saw: Atlanteans functioning in harmony, with perfect teamwork, support for all, an organisation giving preference to the whole, an excess of feminine energy from his viewpoint; even a benevolent technology (which we won't explain here). Lucifer encouraged the natives to act for themselves more, create tools, etc. not in accordance with harmonious principles. This appeared attractive to the peoples at that time.

    Continuing with the Explorer Race material, after a few thousand years the civilisation was at war; conflict had been introduced. Lucifer in fact began to realise he had become a Satan and wished to remove himself from this duty. Briefly, he wasn't able to and then became bitter and more deliberately satanic.

    This state of affairs exists today. Our species has achieved the goal of exploring and developing individuality and independence, but as one can see it has gone too far into separation beyond the optimum. This increased separation has resulted in massive ego-development on this planet, resulting in deficient ability in experiencing compassion, perceiving another's viewpoint and, in particular, another's suffering.

    Let us summarise some of the true attributes of the masculine (electric) and feminine (magnetic) energies. The masculine energy, from a higher spiritual perspective, as already stated, has been 'allowed' to dominate, to push the race towards greater independence and individuality. This energy thus gives rise to a quantitative reality (fragmented and requiring 3D logic). The feminine energy is connected to Source (magnetic stillness and attractive force). It is a totally benevolent force, holistic and qualitative; providing the sustaining, nurturing energies, the intuition, and inspiration, but also motivating thought and action. The masculine energy, besides action, yields the intellect and logic, which we should note is only 3D, at our human level, that is, a property of our external world and does not handle inner space and higher dimensions. The masculine energy is restless and forever seeks (even if subconsciously) the Source. It is particularly adaptable to abilities in the material plane. One of its main strengths, however, is that it produces change, even though by introducing discomfort. This can be very valuable to higher consciousness (such as the Source), which desires exploration and discovery, new probabilities to be taken.

    Starting with our excessively masculine society, the more advanced the civilisation the more feminine energy it will take on. What happens when we have excessive feminine energy in a species or race, say, 90% feminine energy. According to channelling such civilisations are apparently very common in the galaxy, living in a state of bliss for millions of years; but stagnant---no expansion of consciousness (see the Explorer Race books). This, however, is not desirable to higher consciousness, as mentioned, and the human species, now having researched negativity to the full, has enabled some of these races to recognise that they will have to introduce some masculine energy and discomfort to evolve their consciousness further.

    It would appear that there are other workable ratios between masculine and feminine. For example, the Essassani race (which is equivalent to a hybrid of human and Zeta) are more balanced; something like 55% male, 45% female for the male, and vice-versa for the female. Humans could seemingly evolve to this ratio also.

    The deviations of the masculine/feminine balance in each gender today towards excessive masculinity is clearly apparent in the egotistical, 'macho', tough image, selfish, insensitive behaviour and the lack of compassion and lack of ability to know anyone else's suffering.

    Most aspects of society's influence on people reflect the masculine imbalance; from the education of the left brain to entertainment heroes with images of materialistic success, obsessiveness in competition, cool emotionless unfeeling behaviour, one-upmanship, etc. These are all characteristics of polarity and the absence of the benign feminine energies resonating with magnetic unity consciousness. However, many women are today developing this imbalanced masculine behaviour, demonstrating ego, insensitivity, bad language, selfishness, etc.

    Nevertheless we see the trend towards a more feminine society, in the balanced sense, though not in the form of the women's liberation movement, which is still reflecting the masculine energy in the manner the movement approaches the problem. Woman are being enticed to become more masculine with the illusion that this is what equal rights is all about. We are not talking about women doing men's jobs or possibly even developing muscular bodies, such as in body building, but about the personality, the psychology of the female---as per the characteristics we have described. The female has been on the losing side for so long that it is a natural subconscious reaction to copy the other side---but this is another aspect of the trap. It is sad to see the educated woman attaining, say, professorship and finally able to think logically like a man, and having eliminated that 'irrational intuition'.

    Intuition, inspiration and holistic perception relate to the right brain; it contains the feminine principle, whereas the left brain handles logic, intellect, language, analysis and fragmentation.

    The intuition is always correct. There are no limits to its power, even ultimately surpassing the intellect via the right brain plus the heart centre. Thus education is designed (contrived by underlying negative influences) to suppress the right brain and develop the left, using the latter to define intelligence and intellect by creating a reality based on and rewarding these left-brain traits. All realities are valid. It is entirely up to man to choose a reality which is most desired overall.

    If one is still questioning the causes of negativity amongst humans on this planet, then we are in effect stating that if we began with the theoretical state of total magnetic unity there would be no negative build up since the unity would prevent any harm done to anything. Society would remain totally benevolent. But if we introduce a little negativity, or the potential for rapid change, and development of individuality through the masculine energy, then this change could eventually result in a build up of negativity---which is what has happened.

    This masculine/feminine imbalance may eventually be recognised as one of the key items and causes of our species' degeneration. And vice versa, proper acknowledgment of the role of the feminine principle and its restoration in society, giving balance and harmony, will bring inevitable peace, sanity, and higher evolution to the planet. It is vital that we recognise the unprecedented importance of this massive distortion in our civilisation, which could be the most determinant factor in the survival of our species.

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    Quote Posted by Eram (here)
    I am reading the answers to my questions in a pdf that you provided in another post Ray.

    The Black Lodge
    http://www.laurency.com/L5e/L5e23.pdf
    Finally got done reading that, thanks Eram.

    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    Long story...read the pdf I posted...
    Hi Ray, thank you for introducing something I had never heard of before, although portions of it rang familiar from my studies of The Kybalion. Anyway, while it was very intriguing reading, and an overwhelming majority of it made a lot of sense, there were a few red flags I couldn't help but note.

    This was the first:

    Quote 6Most importantly, however, mankind did not have to experience a new tyranny as in Atlantis. If the Axis Powers, Germany, Japan and Italy, had succeeded in winning the Second World War, the same individuals as in Atlantis would have gained the power over mankind, and then mankind would have had to be drowned in a new flood. Therefore, it was the salvation of mankind that the United States intervened so energetically and managed to end the war.
    For someone who apparently possesses such vast knowledge about the true nature of reality, it's odd he thought that the United States was the salvation of mankind by playing it's own barbaric role on both world wars, and simply continuing the work of the ones it "defeated" with increased sufficiency.

    Quote There is an essential difference between political regimes that permit freedom of speech with a free press and the ones in which freedom is suppressed. If the free press is lacking, people will be systematically misled and crammed with lies, which was the case in the Soviet Union and still is in Communist China. Not to be able to realize this testifies to total lack of judgement, particularly characteristic of the advocates of the "third position". Where this freedom is lacking, the government is a tool of the black lodge, which the Catholic Church also has been.
    Again, he emphasizes the Soviet Union and Communist China as suppressive and lacking a free press, giving the United States a pass.

    Quote 7Hitler and the six highest chiefs around him were, according to D.K., "soulless". They received their terrible power from the black lodge. They can thus be cited as striking examples (cunning, heartless, merciless). Goebbels is an example of the degree of intelligence they can attain. Never count on their gratitude. Other people are valuable only as tools for their purposes.
    And yet again, very subtly pro American. (Why?) Especially being that the Nazi eugenics ideas came straight from the U.S., not to mention Goebbels gained much of his knowledge and tactics of manipulation from studying the American Edward Bernays.

    It always gives me great pause to read such superb understanding of deep fundamental truths, yet be peppered with (at best) grave *mis* understandings of things as easy to uncover as the true story of the role of the United States, just shrouded behind her impressive propaganda machine. Impressive at least until one gains the eyes to "see".

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    Fred those were the things that stuck out to me too...
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    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    Long story...read the pdf I posted...
    Hi Ray, thank you for introducing something I had never heard of before, although portions of it rang familiar from my studies of The Kybalion. Anyway, while it was very intriguing reading, and an overwhelming majority of it made a lot of sense, there were a few red flags I couldn't help but note.

    This was the first:

    Quote 6Most importantly, however, mankind did not have to experience a new tyranny as in Atlantis. If the Axis Powers, Germany, Japan and Italy, had succeeded in winning the Second World War, the same individuals as in Atlantis would have gained the power over mankind, and then mankind would have had to be drowned in a new flood. Therefore, it was the salvation of mankind that the United States intervened so energetically and managed to end the war.
    For someone who apparently possesses such vast knowledge about the true nature of reality, it's odd he thought that the United States was the salvation of mankind by playing it's own barbaric role on both world wars, and simply continuing the work of the ones it "defeated" with increased sufficiency.

    Quote There is an essential difference between political regimes that permit freedom of speech with a free press and the ones in which freedom is suppressed. If the free press is lacking, people will be systematically misled and crammed with lies, which was the case in the Soviet Union and still is in Communist China. Not to be able to realize this testifies to total lack of judgement, particularly characteristic of the advocates of the "third position". Where this freedom is lacking, the government is a tool of the black lodge, which the Catholic Church also has been.
    Again, he emphasizes the Soviet Union and Communist China as suppressive and lacking a free press, giving the United States a pass.

    Quote 7Hitler and the six highest chiefs around him were, according to D.K., "soulless". They received their terrible power from the black lodge. They can thus be cited as striking examples (cunning, heartless, merciless). Goebbels is an example of the degree of intelligence they can attain. Never count on their gratitude. Other people are valuable only as tools for their purposes.
    And yet again, very subtly pro American. (Why?) Especially being that the Nazi eugenics ideas came straight from the U.S., not to mention Goebbels gained much of his knowledge and tactics of manipulation from studying the American Edward Bernays.

    It always gives me great pause to read such superb understanding of deep fundamental truths, yet be peppered with (at best) grave *mis* understandings of things as easy to uncover as the true story of the role of the United States, just shrouded behind her impressive propaganda machine. Impressive at least until one gains the eyes to "see".

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    Quote Posted by Eram (here)
    I am reading the answers to my questions in a pdf that you provided in another post Ray.

    The Black Lodge
    http://www.laurency.com/L5e/L5e23.pdf
    Finally got done reading that, thanks Eram.

    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    Long story...read the pdf I posted...
    Hi Ray, thank you for introducing something I had never heard of before, although portions of it rang familiar from my studies of The Kybalion. Anyway, while it was very intriguing reading, and an overwhelming majority of it made a lot of sense, there were a few red flags I couldn't help but note.

    This was the first:

    Quote 6Most importantly, however, mankind did not have to experience a new tyranny as in Atlantis. If the Axis Powers, Germany, Japan and Italy, had succeeded in winning the Second World War, the same individuals as in Atlantis would have gained the power over mankind, and then mankind would have had to be drowned in a new flood. Therefore, it was the salvation of mankind that the United States intervened so energetically and managed to end the war.
    For someone who apparently possesses such vast knowledge about the true nature of reality, it's odd he thought that the United States was the salvation of mankind by playing it's own barbaric role on both world wars, and simply continuing the work of the ones it "defeated" with increased sufficiency.

    Quote There is an essential difference between political regimes that permit freedom of speech with a free press and the ones in which freedom is suppressed. If the free press is lacking, people will be systematically misled and crammed with lies, which was the case in the Soviet Union and still is in Communist China. Not to be able to realize this testifies to total lack of judgement, particularly characteristic of the advocates of the "third position". Where this freedom is lacking, the government is a tool of the black lodge, which the Catholic Church also has been.
    Again, he emphasizes the Soviet Union and Communist China as suppressive and lacking a free press, giving the United States a pass.

    Quote 7Hitler and the six highest chiefs around him were, according to D.K., "soulless". They received their terrible power from the black lodge. They can thus be cited as striking examples (cunning, heartless, merciless). Goebbels is an example of the degree of intelligence they can attain. Never count on their gratitude. Other people are valuable only as tools for their purposes.
    And yet again, very subtly pro American. (Why?) Especially being that the Nazi eugenics ideas came straight from the U.S., not to mention Goebbels gained much of his knowledge and tactics of manipulation from studying the American Edward Bernays.

    It always gives me great pause to read such superb understanding of deep fundamental truths, yet be peppered with (at best) grave *mis* understandings of things as easy to uncover as the true story of the role of the United States, just shrouded behind her impressive propaganda machine. Impressive at least until one gains the eyes to "see".

    Thoughts?

    Hi Fred,

    Interesting stuff (to say the least) indeed.
    I'm reading "The knowledge of reality" now. It is offered as a start reading to get to know the basics of the esoteric (now exoteric) knowledge.
    Very difficult matter to get your mind around, because a lot of words are used in another way that we are used to, so for all who might want to read that book too, you might also want to read this website: http://hylozoics.org/002_HyloIntroDefs.html#HIERARCHY, where the different words are better explained.

    To address you concerns:
    Further on in the book, the author goes on to say that later on, the forces of darkness that took hold in Germany, Italy and Japan took over the USA as well and I think that matches the common thought with the people in this forum isn't it?
    My understanding of those particular passages was that the author was explaining how the forces of destruction/involution/darkness had a complete control over that axes (Italy, Germany and Japan) as where in the USA, that total control was not there at that time.

    Quote For someone who apparently possesses such vast knowledge about the true nature of reality, it's odd he thought that the United States was the salvation of mankind by playing it's own barbaric role on both world wars, and simply continuing the work of the ones it "defeated" with increased sufficiency.
    The USA and allied forces did prevent these forces to take total control of the world at that time with their getting involved and that is the point that the author is trying to make imo.

    Same goes for The Soviet Union and China with freedom of press and speech.
    Don't forget that these text were written in the 1940's give or take and at that time, there was relative much freedom in the USA.

    cheers brother!
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    Thanks for your effort, Eram, but the senseless bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not the actions of any true 'force of good'. Though we did stop the axis... I suppose we were the lesser of two evils, no?
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    Quote Posted by Freed Fox (here)
    Thanks for your effort, Eram, but the senseless bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not the actions of any true 'force of good'. Though we did stop the axis... I suppose we were the lesser of two evils, no?
    How I interpreted the text was that the author was not claiming that Germany, Italy and Japan were the Dark and the USA and Allies were Light in absolute terms at all.
    The Dark lodge basically runs the planet since they kicked the Forces of the planetary hierarchy of this planet back in Atlantis.
    Humans are under the influences of the forces of dark and light all the time and sometimes Dark wins and sometimes light.
    (It takes an extremely trained pupil of the esoteric knowledge to become a all time dark or all time light person.)

    That the Allied forces won from the Nazis doesn't day that the Allied forces are "good" or "light".
    That's not how I read it.
    All it said that an attempt of the Dark forces (working through all of us, also the USA) to get full control of the world an maybe get humans to extinct itself was made harmless.
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    Thanks Eram I think you all but covered what I was going to say...thank you
    As we saw ONLY after the war did the German Scientists move to America, and...
    Freed Fox, whilst I understand your repulsion against suffering, we need to look at the big picture. When there is huge catastrophes and wars on the planet, no one is suffering...don't forget what you are...an indestructible monad. Suffering as we know it is all derived from bad sowing in past lives. Judgement does not come from some god but from failing to live by the laws of the cosmos. We each cause our own future by living our lives as we do today.

    All of mankind's 'evil' doings are his own and are not influences from the Planetary Hierarchy...the least thing they want to do is choose a side, or get involved. It is our choice and they have no right, as they sure know, and respect, to interfere in the doings of man. We each individually form the collective.
    The most important thing though about this is that we are very ignorant about some laws. The one I am referring to here is sowing and reaping.
    The entire planet has a karmic pattern and they have access to this. They are not interested in the least about little you and me, when they have a whole planet to manage.

    Individually we all have one Deva, known as an Augoeides, who takes care of, and guides us individually, known as our guardian angel, and even then they can only truly contact us once we are at a higher level of consciousness and are ready to start working consciously on our growth.

    Anyway, getting back to the Lucifer story...I think we can debate this for years without full agreement. Not everyone can glue the dots together, because not everyone has all the facts which satisfy them. So best IMO is to just believe what we want to...in time our belief will change to true knowing once we have gained more knowledge.
    It can take many lifetimes before certain ideas and truths come together to form the bigger picture in our minds. We actually don't realize how little we know...yet we all want to think we are so advanced.

    As far as the link I gave...it is your choice to accept or reject whatever you want. In the end we will all get to our goal eventually.

    The biggest problem is that those who have achieved the goal have to sit around waiting for all the laggards...with love, of course...and I have heard that many of them are just worried they are going to run out of ice cream, up there, before all decide to wake up

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    Quote Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
    It always gives me great pause to read such superb understanding of deep fundamental truths, yet be peppered with (at best) grave *mis* understandings of things as easy to uncover as the true story of the role of the United States, just shrouded behind her impressive propaganda machine. Impressive at least until one gains the eyes to "see".

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    Hi dear Fred
    I am not a man that needs to defend any writings and won't start now, I accept only what recalls my memory. This is how it has been for me for a very long time now.

    Here is what I know for what it is worth to you.

    This information you have read, which I posted, is not from a single mind but from a collective of the Planetary Hierarchy. They also only give information out very seldom, and so do not expect that this is 2013 fresh information. It has only recently been translated from Swedish. It is however later than the Alice Bailey stuff which basically ended around 1949 when she died.

    Back to the story after that add break

    Quote The United States of American joined in the World War II after 7th of December, 1941; the day on which it's Pearl Harbor was attacked. Prior to this America had stayed away from the war and wasn't a part of either the Allied or the Axis powers. However, when Japan destroyed almost the entire American navy with a surprise bombing of Pearl Harbor which was of its primary naval bases, the U.S joined in fighting along side France and Britain.
    The top tools of the dark lodge were the German Leaders and their 'evil' team and we have seen how most of these ended up in America and Russia after the war. Around 1970 when I first started to became aware of the dark lodge they were not even featured in America, it was all in Russia. So it has been fairly recent lets say the last 30 years or so...not sure exactly...that America was placed under the spell of the dark ones. I remember at some point when the dollar no longer was linked to gold...that is when things started getting really 'evil' in America.
    I am not an expert on the many paths the dark ones took to get to America but I can assure you that they are well monitored.

    But it is still up to us to do the right thing, it has nothing to do with the Planetary Hierarchy. They are bound by the laws...the dark ones are not.

    Take care brother and much love
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    Many people refer to Lucifer as a fallen angel. Could that term apply to other angels and beings of higher powers that identify too strongly with their egos or worldly desires? Unless one is an awakened individual, would it not be fair to say that humans have much in common with fallen angels? Have we not been 'the fallen' ourselves? Perhaps this is why so many are interested in the concept of a fallen angel. I don't know whether or not Lucifer is synonymous with satan. Though the possible distinction may be worth exploring for some people. When it comes to satan, however, any version of him is equally true depending on the strongly held beliefs of a given person. Whatever story fits into your reality the best is the one that is true for you. It is interesting to note, as I have recently come across in the Bhagavad Gita that Satan may be seen as simply an aspect of Om that brought the universe into creation. That aspect of Om(or God for some) that continues to push outward, that is, into deeper and deeper identification with ego or materiality, is satan in that version or story. Or one could say that anyone or thing that tends to push one away from spirit rather than toward it, is satanic. Perhaps Lucifer was identified by some as satan because of the allegory of the fallen angel and the 'turning away from God' element in that story. It may be helpful to point out that angels have egos as well, and although unlikely, due to the more refined and divinely elevated status of those egos, it is possible for them to 'fall.' So one might determine from what I have said here that Lucifer is simply a fallen angel and satan is more like a conscious force or energy intent on continuing the descent into matter and ego. In that sense satan could be seen as a more substantial and less localized energy than an angel. Another way of looking at it is, that which tends to separate is satanic, that which tends to unite is divine. Would Lucifer want to separate humanity from God? Possibly. Is Lucifer beyond redemption? Definitely not and neither are any of us. There is actually a book called The Redemption of Lucifer that I ran into in a little book shop in Victoria one time. I might read that sometime. Looked interesting.
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    wow! thank you for sharing!

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    Forgive me, I haven't read very much. I'm quickly glancing through and am excited to be here! I only want to share something I've always wondered about. If Lucifer was cast into a lake of fire later on in the Bible, then who was the serpent that tempted Eve?

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    [...] then who was the serpent that tempted Eve?
    The good guy.

    He told the truth, whereas "God" clearly lied. That is the Gnostic view, anyway... I'll allow those with more knowledge on the topic to elaborate if they wish.

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    Quote Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
    It always gives me great pause to read such superb understanding of deep fundamental truths, yet be peppered with (at best) grave *mis* understandings of things as easy to uncover as the true story of the role of the United States, just shrouded behind her impressive propaganda machine. Impressive at least until one gains the eyes to "see".

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    Hi dear Fred
    I am not a man that needs to defend any writings and won't start now, I accept only what recalls my memory. This is how it has been for me for a very long time now.

    Here is what I know for what it is worth to you.

    This information you have read, which I posted, is not from a single mind but from a collective of the Planetary Hierarchy. They also only give information out very seldom, and so do not expect that this is 2013 fresh information. It has only recently been translated from Swedish. It is however later than the Alice Bailey stuff which basically ended around 1949 when she died.

    Back to the story after that add break
    No problem Ray, I respect you very much and there's no need to defend anything. Just passing on my personal observations, and trust me, I scrutinize everything *I* say and do to a much higher degree than what I read from others.

    Cheers Brother,

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