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    Dear All:

    I listened to an extract from a Mike Harris and Gordon Duff 21 March radio show a couple of nights ago, and a caller phoned in who was clearly an insider (probably a government contractor, who seemed to be a geologist). He asked to be called Miguel.

    The entire show is here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YEGfExrDw0I

    The 21 minute extract of the caller's contribution is here. It starts at 1:03:00 on the recording of the entire show.

    http://projectavalon.net/Extract_from_insider_caller_Miguel_-_Deal_Made_For_Planet_Earth_with_Malevolent_ET_Rac e_-_Gordon_Duff_(MJ12)_with_Mike_Harris_21_March_2013 .mp3

    Miguel was on the air for 21 minutes, and offered a range of information, extremely credibly, that made my hair stand on end. He seemed both plausible and credible.

    In an extraordinary series of intriguing snippets — many of which Gordon Duff interrupted and therefore remained incomplete — Miguel stated that huge earth changes were on their way (and hinted that they would not be man-made or natural), combined with food shortages that will make people want to be in the FEMA camps to be fed. Not only that, but there would be solar problems that would require people to be underground for short periods of time.

    And much more besides, including a non-human threat that we might not even want to think about.

    Miguel said that we have to unfocus on everything we spend so much wasted time talking about, and focus on organizing to hunker down to survive, because it's the only important question. He stated that ETs and politics really don't matter at all compared with that.

    Most of this would seem so extreme as to be laughable, but the worrying thing is that he came across as so highly credible. He said he'd called in to the Mike Harris show before, so I'd like to ask members here if they can assist by digging out other shows where he may have been on air. What he says needs to picked apart word by word.

    Here's the transcript of the important parts of those 21 minutes. I've emphasized what I felt were the critical parts in red bold italics.

    * For those who may not know what a '45-70' is, it's a high-powered classic rifle first made in 1863, like this.

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    Miguel (1:35): I am a person who, I consider one of the few, who KNOWS the truth of the topic. I believe maybe yourself [to Gordon Duff] and Mike [Harris] are BELIEVERS because of information, but because I have... my background... there is no dispute, and the issues that you’re talking about about alien races and the upcoming future.. the 45-70 is a good round for any kind of a…

    (2:10: Gordon Duff interrupts)

    Miguel (2:16): but here’s the thing that I wanted to bring up to you guys and just throw out: you just talked about Jim Fetzer and the Kennedy assassination. Well, me being in the know, with UFOs... I’ve lived though 3 or 4 decades with the reality that most of the people I would ever talk to would think I’m crazy, and so you don’t talk, and you learn, and you live life, well here, president Kennedy, we are still spending thousands upon thousands of hours of our precious time debating the truth to a matter.

    Now, the reason why I bring that up is I lived a life of UFO reality, I lived a life working for the government knowing they’ve spent trillions of dollars preparing and interacting with our reality…

    (3:12: Duff interrupts: can you say what branch of the government you worked for, or what organization?)

    Miguel (3:18): On air, no, and not on this time specifically, but I can say that I bought a missile base east of Denver years ago because I’ve worked with people, upper management, that closed down the Denver airport, and...

    (3:39: Duff interrupts: can you tell us how much work there is underground in the United States, how many acres do we have underground, how many feet underground are we working? Is that in your bailiwick?)

    Miguel (3:52): No, and if it was, I wouldn’t say it, because I wouldn’t be able to say it again tomorrow if I said it today. But I will say this: I sat and had dinner with the president of the largest tunneling company in the world, and this is a few years ago, and I was actually the chief engineer in a large design-build project and he was a sister company, that was owned by HBG, that’s an English... the largest construction company in the world, or one of them, but he, the tunneler, I was trying to get on a job that normally would have taken two months to tunnel through a mountain.

    Well, we got the job, and they were done in two WEEKS — with the tunneling aspect. So what I’m trying to say to you guys is that yes, the technology is far beyond what we've seen from the 60s, and we hear all this stuff about 7 miles a day and huge cities, but what I’d like to bring to the forefront, to the Veterans Today and the Rense crowd, is that with the Earth changes that are coming up, we have to have an ability to be underground for short periods of time because of SOLAR activity.

    If you’re two miles underground, or you’re in a tunnel going Mach 5, you know, from place to place, and there’s, let’s say, a significant earthquake, I don’t think I’d want to be in that tunnel going Mach 5, because a little bit of a shift and you’re toast. So the idea is that all these underground bases, that's really not an issue for us, nor is it really a solution.

    But there are solutions which is the reality that yes there are aliens, yes they are here because the world is about ready to go through a weakening process as far as the catastrophes that are about to be pushed upon us which are not man-made, and it’ll make it an opportunity for the re- ... let’s say, the re-inhabitation of the hidden alien races that have been here — in a small extent — they’ve been hidden because there's too many of us… you know, we control the planet, basically.

    After the catastrophes, the Powers-That-Be think that it’s an opportunity to take over. And when you talk about… you know, the last caller talked about genetics, and history, and that's all really interesting, and there's so much truth to it…

    (6:33: Duff interrupts with a question about bloodlines)

    Miguel (7:01): There’s a lot more to that subject that I know and that I could really talk about, but yes, it’s there.

    (7:07: Duff interrupts again)

    Miguel brings the conversation back to what he wants to talk about, 8:20): My problem is: I have a son, you have a son, Mike has a son, and Mike, you are worried more about your son and his hopefully children, and so am I about my son and my hopefully grandchildren, than I am about myself, and thinking and talking and spending all my time about what happened yesterday isn’t really helping THEM.

    And what I'm trying to say with my knowledge of KNOWING — and I don’t CARE abut the aliens, I don’t! — I have weapons that maybe will help if I ever have to meet with them, but that's NOT my problem today.

    My problem today is they are here because we are going to get caught with our pants down, and a lot of that is because the power brokers are taking… you know, e-ticket rides, it’s been used over and over — they have their e-ticket rides to what they think they’re going to survive these upcoming years. And believe me…

    (9:19: Duff interrupts again — he says he has definite verification that there’s a group that thinks they’re going to survive, and the rest of us aren’t)

    Miguel (9:38): Well, everyone's heard of the Georgia Guidestones. Think about the idea that if there’s only 500 million of us left, based on war and catastrophe, not just Earth Changes, or just man-made — but then it’s a manageable planet for the other race, and they will use us as their slaves and food.

    And that's the plan. And believe me, what I’m trying to say to everybody is let’s say, “Oh My Gosh, what do we do?” Well, it’s real simple. We have Veterans Today. We have all the skills, all the people, we have hundreds of thousands of Americans that… I mean, I have a missile base that can be created that could support thousands of people, not in the missile base, but we could, by refocusing, if we only knew what was about to happen, if we just refocused, we don’t try to recreate the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, the United States, we just take care of ourselves, and if we have 100, or 200, or a million of us, they can’t not let us alone.

    (10:49: Duff interrupts, missing the point and changing the subject)

    Miguel brings it back on topic again (13:54): Gordie, I know, But bringing it back to Mike, what I'm saying with the drones or the this, I'm trying to get back to instead of fighting the Big Ship that the government or the hidden agendas, why don’t we try to take care of our own and get some of those contracts. Now, I'm not trying to say…

    (14:18: Duff interrupts)

    Miguel (15:19): But Gordie […] (15.41) what I'm worried about are Americans and potentially hundreds of millions of people on board with trying to feed themselves, house themselves, and grow their families, and the way to do that is to actually identify that UFOs — we don’t need to focus on, we don’t need to worry about it. Let TV do that, let the sheeple worry about aliens.

    We need to worry about the upcoming problems that you and your intelligence can tell you is real — that is, how are we going to feed our children. And clothe them, and keep them away from the FEMA camps, because they’re starving.

    (16:23: Duff interrupts)

    Miguel (17:33): two comments real quick, Gordie…

    (17:37: Duff interrupts again, enthusing about the 45-70)

    Miguel (18:44): you know, I love it. I have a 45-70 because it’ll take down a grizzly bear, and it’ll take down a rhino, and it’ll take down anything bigger than a human being, that might not be a human being, that comes on the planet. But, it takes a special round to do that: you have to add copper, and a few other items to the actual bullet itself.

    (18:08: Duff interrupts again)

    Miguel (18:11): Hey, but here’s the thing I want to leave you guys with, because you have other callers. I was on a research vessel before the years you’re talking about when the government ramped up into what they’re… the undergrounds, and all that.

    I actually had the head geologist, which was one of the premier geologists in the world at that time on this research vessel, come out and have me look at a slide that we had just drilled and cored, and he showed me the magnetic flips of the planet.

    Now, we’ve all heard about the magnetic changes and in our history about pole shifts, and magnetic flips. This was the most premier geologist in the world at the time and he was so fearful that he had to come out, and I was the first person that he could grab to show what he had, the thin slide of the rock, in black light to show the magnetic reversal of the iron ore.

    But he was so fearful of what he was seeing, and what I'm trying to say to you is forget the aliens so much, forget politics so much, really understand that what is important is far greater — and that’s survival.

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    Quote Posted by shmoopie_3119 (here)
    Awesome summary - thanks!
    Thank you! -- but do also listen to the audio. That may help explain why I found myself taking this very seriously.

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    I wish they'd have shut up more and let him say more of what was obviously well formed and packed full in his mind.
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    I find the having to add copper "and a few other items" interesting. I sure would like to know what other "items" And that guy sounds like all of his wires are wrapped tight and connected right.
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    Hi Bill, i have not as yet listened to the audio, am wondering however if a time frame was given?

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    I'm just about to listen to the audio and I have to agree with Miguel, my concern also is protecting my family members. Living in Glasgow Scotland I'm not so sure if I am in a good place at all to survive any Earth changes. I don't have a basement or anything underground really but information like this is important because it gives us time to sort it what we are going to do if this situation occurs and it very well might occur.

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    Quote Posted by lookbeyond (here)
    Hi Bill, i have not as yet listened to the audio, am wondering however if a time frame was given?
    No time frame. That's the question Gordon Duff should have asked, but he kept skidding off on personal tangents.

    The impression given was that it was all to escalate in the next handful of years. But he never got round to talking about time or sequencing.

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    Quote Posted by Conchis (here)
    I find the having to add copper "and a few other items" interesting. I sure would like to know what other "items" And that guy sounds like all of his wires are wrapped tight and connected right.
    Indeed, I want the recipe as well. Sounds like critical information to me.

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    He seemed to be saying that we don't need to be miles underground, but I'd like to know what he meant by saying we needed to be underground for short periods of time. Apparently he thinks a missle silo is deed enough, but I wonder if he has more detail about how deep as well. I've been considering building a bagged earth building....hmmmm...

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    The ice slides that showed the mag flip were done by NOAA and Naval Research back in the 60's and 70's. That part is real and not disputable according to my knowledge.
    and the other info is viable for recovery. Thanks for the jolt Bill.

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    This is why benevolent aliens DONT show up (overtly) yet. There is so much fear about aliens (which reinforces the illusion that we are physical and powerless) that we end up with some of us even trying to concoct alchemical bullets, with which to "fill them full of" if they ever do dare show!

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    I think some of you will like this. Should only take half hour of your time should you choose to watch the 3 parts but this is a scenario I always wondered would work. Could a basement shelter actually work?

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    Quote Posted by Conchis (here)
    He seemed to be saying that we don't need to be miles underground, but I'd like to know what he meant by saying we needed to be underground for short periods of time. Apparently he thinks a missle silo is deed enough, but I wonder if he has more detail about how deep as well. I've been considering building a bagged earth building....hmmmm...
    It might be prudent to have a part of your building underground, like a cellar or basement. If you built it against a sloping hillside, this would be very easy to engineer.

    This all reminds me of a message I got in March 2012 from an insider (name given and verified, a publicly known scientist with a Top Secret clearance, working for the DHS) -- warning of a coming solar event, and making a joke that I should "be prepared to either get a lot of sunblock or, better still, go underground."

    This was a follow-up to a message I first got from him in October 2007, warning, with apologies, that "we were all going to be in for a very hard time".

    On my getting back to him, he clarified, more soberly, that it was not necessary to be deep underground, just reasonably protected and sheltered: hence the sunblock joke.

    The impression I got was that a few feet/meters of soil cover would be fine, better still on top of a hard shell like a buried shipping container, two or three of which can easily be converted to a very comfortable and strong shelter.

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    First impressions
    One thing I got from that is we spend too much time debating and arguing the merits (or not) of every little thing; like people are still discussing JFK all these years after the event, when it can't really change much. Time to get pro-active in protecting ourselves and families in whatever way we each feel inclined

    Seems they might know each other Miguel and Duff, Duff wasn't properly listening, his interuptions were inappropriate, dismissive even. Also there was a certain amount of 'insider' banter which they glossed over somewhat.

    What age of person does anyone think Miguel might be 48 - 50 younger? No grandchildren, but hopes to have?

    On the whole it sounds quite feasable, there was a certain amount of gun toting filters in play and we know the magnetic poles reverse with regularity, from the ice cores as Spiritguide said. And the '£eemacamps' (deliberate miss spelling) would be handy pens for the cattle/food/slaves to be provided with food, very tempting when one is starving.

    An attempt at fear induction?
    A genuine attempt to warn?
    A narcissistic nut on a pedestal?
    Ratings?

    I have always considered VT to be controlled release for whatever reasons they need to release something, So my question would be----- Why would they want us to know this particular information now? Throw the dog a bone? Look in the opposite direction? I think we all know that something is about to hit the fan in the next 3-4 years so preparation is not unreasonable after all we might survive or it may not happen. It seems to be hard wired into us as a species.

    But I do think it is worth listening to, and more than once.
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    Hi Bill, i have not as yet listened to the audio, am wondering however if a time frame was given?
    No time frame. That's the question Gordon Duff should have asked, but he kept skidding off on personal tangents.

    The impression given was that it was all to escalate in the next handful of years. But he never got round to talking about time or sequencing.
    Too bad they could not let Miguel answer completly or finish his thoughts. We may have heard some sort of time frame? Or even details that would really matter.

    Bill, any chance you could pursue an interview with Miguel? After listening to the interview it seems Miguel might be full or interesting information.

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    I narrowed in on the 23 minute segment, unfortunately it was preceded by: ‘The people we’re dealing with are bolsheviks’ at about 1:02:45, and finished off with the blood libel at 1:25:11. You couldn’t make this stuff up. This doesn’t reflect on Miguel and his message, but I’m just starting to find it incredible how often this garbage is coming up these days. Sorry for the distraction, anyway by now you probably know that I call these things out when I see them.

    About the call. Duff didn’t appear to be taking the matter seriously, and it really was a pretty poor performance from him as a host when it was clear the guest wanted to talk seriously. I’d be happy to listen to Miguel again if Bill or someone interviews him properly. I would start by pressing him on the geological sample. What was so special about that one sample, that one reversal? The time period? What was the rock type? Thin sections are normally somewhat time consuming to make, kind of surprised they’d make them on the ship but it’s certainly possible if they wanted fast results while still at sea. Any physical evidence needs to be properly discussed, preferably with another qualified geologist.

    Another thing, is there really anything wrong with just getting to the point instead of making enigmatic innuendo statements like not man made and not natural? What are we talking about here? ETs meddling with our Sun, causing a solar event [what type of event?] that affects the magnetic field [how exactly] on Earth? How does this tie in with the emergence of dormant aliens? How can such a force be resisted (and about the 45-70 – really, you wouldn’t use that particular firearm if you were serious, would you?) if they have the power to physically change the entire planet? I may be asking too much, but Miguel did give the impression that he ‘knows’ far more than he was revealing. I’m reading between the lines now, so I’ll stop here.

    P.S. I’m going to start another thread in the wikileaks subsection about an interesting topic, geology related. Just a little something that I uncovered recently after making an extensive search of the latest tranche of email leaks – it’s a different subject, and I’ll leave the dot connecting to others for now. Apologies for any hypocritical enigmatic overtones to this post-script

    Edit: My wikileaks post is now here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...221#post714221
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    Bill, any chance you could pursue an interview with Miguel? After listening to the interview it seems Miguel might be full of interesting information.
    I would love to hear more from him. And yes, this is one interview I'd love to do.

    Miguel said he'd spoken with Mike Harris previously, and I'm guessing that he'd called into an earlier show. For anyone reading this who regularly listens to Mike Harris (or Gordon Duff), it would be MOST helpful if you could dig up any other shows where Miguel has been featured.

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    Maybe he is talking about this:

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    I remember Bob Dean saying in 2014 we would be in for some tough times ...
    Raiding the Matrix One Mind at a Time ...

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