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    Default Re: Japan nuclear agency upgrades Fukushima alert level

    I heard Thom Hartman's show, a couple days ago, and it seems he and his guest have nailed it:


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    fukushima out of control august 2013




    Of course Hollywoood has all ready
    covered this. 'The China syndrome'.
    I don't think I saw the movie......


    THE CHINA SYNDROME — ReThink Review

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    Fukushima NHK Documentary: "Two Years Later"

    The Human stories..... & Environmental cost...



    Published on 20 Apr 2013


    2 years after the accident at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant, more than
    150,000 people in Fukushima Prefecture are still forced to leave their homes and
    try to rebuild their lives amid the threat of radiation exposure. We'll look into the
    unprecedented challenges they are facing.
    Air date 4/19/13

    I apologize for the mediocre quality of the video. It is a broadcasting issue, perhaps
    solar activity and it does happen occasionally. There is a very limited time period to
    capture these documentaries, only a few times during a 48 hour period and then
    NHK pulls them down from their site.
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    I heard Thom Hartmann's show, a couple days ago, and it seems he and his guest have nailed it:

    The YouTube text:

    They are turning ground into quicksand at Fukushima plant — Engineers warn reactor units may topple.


    Thom Hartmann, Host: So what's the fate and future Fukushima first of all?

    Kevin Kamps, Beyond Nuclear: [...] In the context of what's going on now with the groundwater flooding of the site — because one of their mitigation measures which is pretty not very well thought out, was building a seawall by freezing the ground — and guess what? The groundwater is piling up behind the seawall. [...] by backing up the water under the entire site, they are turning the ground into quicksand. And that's causing less stability — more instability. There are structural engineers and nuclear engineers warning that may be the final straw that's needed to topple not only Unit 4, but perhaps some of those other destroyed units with their high-level radioactive waste stored in pools fifty feet up in the air.[...] If that [Unit 4] pool goes down — enough of that fuel is still in there — it'll be on fire [...]

    Hartmann: And the prevailing winds and the prevailing ocean currents take water from the coast of Japan where?

    Kamps: To North America. Within days of the Fukushima Daiichi catastrophe beginning, we were getting fallout coming down in rain in the United States — not in insignificant quantities. And also, of course, the seafood. Not only does the ocean's currents bring the radioactivity this way, but also the sea life itself. The blue fin tuna migrated from Japan to North America and carried the radioactive cesium in its flesh over here.


    Title: Interview with Kevin Kamps
    Source: Thom Hartmann Program
    Date: August 12th, 2013
    Fukushima: Is the "China Syndrome" Happening?
    http://youtu.be/MOhb4gVM6rY

    Japan Official: Fukushima reactor buildings could "topple" — Tepco's work to change flow of groundwater can form pools below surface that soften the earth
    Title: Japan Nuclear Plant's Battle to Contain Radioactive Water
    Source: Wall St Journal
    Authors: MARI IWATA and PHRED DVORAK
    Date: August 6, 2013
    [...] as [Tepco] prepares this week to start work on a new set of measures that would ring off and cap the area where the most highly contaminated water has been found, some experts and regulators are saying that the battle to completely contain radioactivity to the site of one of the world's worst nuclear accidents may be a losing one. [...]

    It's preparing to extend the underground hardened-earth barrier in a ring around the most heavily contaminated section of coastline, in hopes of heading groundwater off before it can flood in. Tepco is also proposing to cap that ringed section with gravel and asphalt, so nothing gets out. The operator is hoping to get an initial ring of hardened ground done by October. [...]

    But there's a risk to changing the flow of groundwater in the ways that Tepco is considering, said Tatsuya Shinkawa, nuclear accident response director of the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry, at a news conference last month. The water could pool dangerously underground, softening the earth and potentially toppling the reactor buildings, he said. [...]

    BBC: Water crisis at Fukushima has only just begun — "Plant sits smack in the middle of an underground aquifer" — It's rapidly being overwhelmed deep beneath ground
    Title: Fukushima radioactive water leak an 'emergency'
    Source: BBC News
    Date: August 6, 2013


    Transcript Excerpts
    Rupert Wingfield-Hayes, BBC News, Tokyo: [...] Engineers are now facing a new emergency. The Fukushima plant sits smack in the middle of an underground aquifer. Deep beneath the ground, the site is rapidly being overwhelmed by water. [...]

    It's now so high, the water will soon reach the surface. Then it will start flowing over-ground into the sea. [...]

    Even if the government does step in, it's not clear what it could do. The only other solution is to pump out the contaminated groundwater and put it in storage tanks. [...] Most of them are already filled up.

    At least 400 tons of new water pours into the site every day. It's going to continue for years and years.

    Fukushima's water crisis has only just begun.
    http://tinyurl.com/p2x6oey
    Part 2
    caller: NRC says Don't Worry about Fukushima
    http://youtu.be/QiWhpXNZ_Yg

    A great article here (not discussed in this upload, but it makes for a good read)
    The Secret GOOD NEWS from Fukushima
    http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/...
    http://tinyurl.com/k8run6m


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    Helen Caldicott - The Truth About Fukushima

    Interesting intro when she talks about our
    macho leaders letting their reptilian brains
    take over ...before going onto Fukushima.

    Very Strong forthright presentation........
    Her premise all Physicians should lead the
    way to close all nuclear plants worldwide...




    Published on 7 Feb 2013


    www.project.nsearch.com
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    Helen Caldicott breaks down the lies of the nuclear industry and specifically
    the horror of the Fukushima nuclear meltdowns that have been completely
    covered up by the governments and press around the world. Helen is an
    expert on nuclear radiation and her analysis needs to be shared with all so
    we can put an end to nuclear power before it ends the human race! You
    won't believe what has been covered up about Fukushima!
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    I figure this quote is pertinent to this thread and subject, a friend of mine who is working in the field responded when asked about Fukushima and then to compare the disaster to Chernobyl.

    Quote I’m currently studying in the field, I know people that used to work at fukushima, and several of my colleagues were part of the US Navy Nuke response effort when the **** was hitting the fan…

    When a nuclear reactor “explodes” it really is not considered a nuclear explosion. The nuclear reaction is supplying heat to a pressure vessel, in the case of Chernobyl the pressure vessel is what exploded. The fuel is actually all relatively in the same place in a massive blob referred to as the elephant’s foot, the industry calls melted fuel “corium” mostly because it becomes rather difficult to really identify chemical makeup of the core after meltdown. Fission creates a large neutron flux and anything that comes into contact with the core can become activated and form its own decay chain of radionuclides.

    Chernobyl was fundamentally different than Fukushima in that no reactor vessels ever exploded. Nuclear fuel is incased in a metal called zirconium, the zirconium acts to keep the harmful fission products of the uranium fission process contained and out of the atmosphere and reactor water. The fuel rod assemblies in the reactors at fukushima got hot enough for the zirconium to begin braking down. The zirconium itself started reacting with superheated water producing hydrogen as a byproduct. When the crew was forced to depressurize the reactor vessels the hydrogen collected in the buildings causing explosions of the reactor service floors (the portion of the building above the reactor). However the reactors themselves remained intact. I believe one reactor was breached later on due to superheated corium that made its way through the bottom of the reactor however it wasn’t in an explosive matter.

    Fuel:
    Spent nuclear fuel still undergoes fission and needs to be cooled, the fuel is still fairly “hot” after it comes out of a reactor and typically has an active cool down period of 5-10yrs in a spent fuel pool. After this period the fuels activity has decreased enough to be stored in dry casks and the heat will naturally self-regulate. The primary concern for Fukushima is reactor 4, this reactor was refueling during the time of the quake and all of the spent fuel for this reactor was placed in the holding pond of the service floor. It is a lot more fuel than the other pools and it is still very fresh and a primary concern. Among the 50yr Fukushima cleanup plan, handling this spent fuel is the top priority however it’s much easier said than done.

    Last thing: Cerenkov radiation.
    Cerenkov radiation, while rather spectacular to the eye (I have seen it in person) is not really much of a concern. Cerenkov radiation is caused by high energy beta particles. The primary concern for melted fuel is the fission products that escape if the zirconium barrier is breached. Strontiun-90, Tritium, Cesium-137, Iodine-131, and the list goes on.. Even if the fuel is intact, the gamma radiation produced by the extremely high levels of cesium will reach out further than the Cerenkov. Unfortunately many of these products are aerosolized by the super-heated fuel and form a giant cloud of mixed radionuclides in the area creating an external radiation hazard and an inhalation hazard. Many of these radionuclides are gamma emitters so you can see how the radiation field can be far reaching and unpredictable. I have only ever been taught one rule about melted fuel (corium): if you see it, run.
    Quote Severity is hard to quantify, the numbers are really all over the place. It’s impossible to know exactly how much radiation is released in these events but the numbers tend to go something like this. Fukushima was 5-10 times less severe than Chernobyl, and Chernobyl was 50-100 times less severe than the nuclear weapons testing era. There are so many complexities involved with measuring radiation releases that the numbers can be skewed all over the place. Regardless, the biggest anthropogenic releases were definitely during the nuclear testing era.

    A worst case scenario at reactor 4 fuel pond could potentially be a bigger problem than what fukushima started with. The fuel is still in the early stages of cool down and capable of melting if not activly cooled. The fuel pond is located on the reactor service floor several stories above ground level. If the fuel melted it could potentially compromise the pools integrity making it impossible to fill with water. Another earthquake or catastrophic event could also initiate this scenario. I don’t really see how they could possibly control the situation if the pool was to become significantly damaged, this would basically be a zero containment scenario. Very different than having control of the release (albeit limited control) like in fukushimas original situation. The fuel would likely make way down into the reactor building and eventually settle like it did in Chernobyl, fire would likely ensue minus the explosions because we aren’t dealing with a pressure vessel in this situation. However at least two of the neighboring reactors need active cooling to remain in cold shut down status, if these systems were affected by a catastrophe in reactor 4 who really knows how bad the situation could get… That particular pool receives the most attention and hopefully they can sit on it for 5 yrs or so until it cools down a bit. I don’t personally see them being able to remove the fuel before then.



    With that said, the fukushima catastrophe means something different for Japan than it does for the rest of the world.. When you look at the numbers and don’t really understand them it is easy to get alarmed, the media tends to report radiation contamination numbers in a way that does not always paint an accurate picture of the risks. When a release happens the radiation is highly concentrated at the point of origin but in reality it dilutes to concentrations that aren’t readily traceable thereafter.

    An average Americans lifetime radiation dose looks something like this



    You encounter radiation every day, you inhale radon, you ingest foods with natural radioactivity, you receive radiation dose from standard medical procedures, smoking, and even if you somehow avoid all of that you can’t escape the cosmic radiation zipping through your body every day and even right now as you read this post. Anthropogenic (manmade) radiation releases like nuclear accidents and atomic weapons testing only account for about 0.167% of your lifetime radiation dose. You live on a very radioactive planet powered by a very radioactive Sun.

    The people most affected by nuclear disasters are the first responders and people in the immediate area of the disaster. Radiation emanation follows the inverse square law, basically this means that if you double your distance from the radiation source you decrease your exposure by 4 times. And If you quadruple your distance from the source the exposure decreases by 16 times and so on…

    The ICRP model for stochastic risk assessment states that a dose of 1 Sv (Sievert) = 5% chance of developing a cancer.
    Looking at some random numbers to grasp dose:

    Highest exposure to an individual at fukushima was approximately 650 mSv
    0.650 Sv * 5% = 3.25% chance of developing a cancer from the exposure.

    Average fukushima emergency worker dose was approximately 100 mSv
    0.100 Sv * 5% = 0.5% chance of developing cancer from the exposure

    Highest exposure at Chernobyl was approximately 16 Sv (16,000 mSv)
    16 Sv * 5% = 80% chance of cancer. Many of the individuals with doses this high suffered from radiation sickness and died in the years following the event.

    Average CT Scan of the abdomen is approx. 8 mSv
    0.008 Sv * 5% = 0.04% chance of developing a cancer from the exposure.

    Annual dose from background radiation is approximately 3.5 mSv
    0.0035 Sv * 5% = 0.0175% chance annually.

    The recent fish caught at fukushima that was over 7000 times the safe food limit had about 740,000 Bq/kg of Cesium contamination, which equates to approximately 100 mSv/kg for cesium gamma.
    0.100 Sv * 5% = 0.5% of cancer per kilogram of fish

    A few fish caught off the coast of California were said to have 5 times the normal amount of radiation activity from cesium contamination. This was about 5 Bq/kg which equates to approximately 0.000676 mSv
    6.75X10^-7 Sv * 5% = 0.0000034% chance of cancer… These numbers are so low they are meaningless, and frankly way beyond the intended use of the ICRP model to begin with. Yet it still gets reported… This type of miscommunication happens all the time, just because radiation is detectable does not mean it’s dangerous.

    The calculations above follow the simplest form of the linear no threshold model and are based on numbers I could conveniently find or remember. All I am really trying to do is paint a picture of general observations as a function of dose. Primarily you can see that the worst of the Chernobyl exposures were much more severe than the worst of the fukushima exposures.

    Let’s take the most exposed fukushima worker with a 3.25% risk and compare it to normal background radiation risk of 0.0175%. The difference appears monumental, but does it tell us anything tangible? The media headline would read something like “fukushima workers now 185 times more likely to develop cancer”. Say that the fukushima worker shows up to a clinic with cancer in 20yrs, was it caused by the radiation exposure? Maybe he was a smoker (~30% chance of causing cancer). Maybe he ate copious amounts of red meat every day, or had a woodworking hobby and worked with solvents.. These might be crappy examples but the overall point is that it is very difficult to say whether or not a cancer was induced by a small to moderate radiation exposure because there are far more potent carcinogens that people readily expose themselves to.

    I’m not trying to downplay the fukushima tragedy, it was a very unfortunate event that displaced hundreds of thousands of people. But on the global scale, even if there were a second incident, life would continue normally for the vast majority of the world population. Fukushima will mostly remain a localized problem despite what you may read in the paper..
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    Target THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for all the time and information you have posted!!!!!

    As I have stated several time now in regard to this topic my "beliefs" about nuclear energy reactors flipped 180 degrees after I listened to the 3 Galen Winsor lectures (posted below) and then ( for over a year) we compiled a lot of supporting evidence in favor of Galen's claims on the Galen Winsor thread.

    Yes nuclear bombs kill and disfigure.

    Since we have been lied to about so very many things in the name of greed and control ... and we know that instilling fear is the best method of control...

    and we know that the cost/money behind the production of all types of energy is one of the top forms of keeping humans enslaved...

    Galen Winsor claims that nuclear energy is actually a very inexpensive (and mostly safe) form of energy... so it makes perfect sense that lying to the masses that it is dangerous and something to fear and needs to have high costs behind it to keep it regulated were added into the mix.

    And the fear part helps keep us in control...

    All I am asking one and all and especially Bill Ryan is to please take the time to listen to the three Galen Winsor lectures and then report what you think after listening to him!!! Please!!! Thank you!!!

    It is easy to post one thing after the other that supports the danger and harm that is claimed to have been caused by nuclear reactor accidents because that is what they want us to think...

    Below are the three lectures ...I suggest listening/viewing them in the order listed. The first 2 listed are a must IMO and the third is highly recommended.

    The second is an audio file that is Galen's description of what happened at Chernobyl...it does take a few minutes to load so please be patient and wait for it to load...

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    This is an audio of Galen talking about what happened at Chernobyl

    http://www.sheldonemrylibrary.com/Williams1986.htm

    scroll down the page 3rd from the bottom till you see

    8618a Report On Chernobyl by Galen Winsor (05/11/86)

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    Thank you ALL!!! Much love, peace, and fun!!!

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    Toad thank you for your post! Could you please give us more information about your friend that wrote what you posted? Name, experience, web site and such...thanks!

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    He is a colleague of mine I know from a different community, getting his major in Nuclear and Radiological sciences. He is a very smart man on the subject and has educated me quite a bit on the complexities regarding radiation and the ways the stats can be manipulated on both sides. Its easy to stoke tons of fear when you have all kinds of figures and numbers to play with.
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    Dear Kimberly and TargetT,

    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberly: "Since we have been lied to about so very many things in the name of greed and control ... and we know that instilling fear is the best method of control...

    And the fear part helps keep us in control..."

    Fear has nothing to do with some of the facts

    What are your thoughts about this?

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...of-cancer.html

    Radioactivity IS damaging. It seems like a constant battle to try and stop the leakage of radioactivity to the ocean in Fukashima. All that's left is to wonder out loud - Is there any major assistance that Japan and specifically Tepco recieve from the rest of the world? is the world at all understands that we are all under the same threat in this big bathtub called planet earth?

    Apparently there are some good news if we are looking for them, From what I was able to understand in some of the links, the weather and nature itself can protect against leakage of radioactive material if it is hosted in barrels and second, in a slightely more expensive investment the government (I say government and not governments because there is one government that decides in this world) is not willing to invest in dry cask storage protection since it's not in their interest to do so.

    Threfore, it is easy to conclude that the problem is not in Nuclear plants, but in the same old same old 'lovely' hidden government and it's own separate plans.

    To focus it - The problem is the PLANS and not so much the PLANTS

    And airing it out is not about fear mongering but a lot more about Education

    Blessings,

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    Dear Kimberly and TargetT,



    What are your thoughts about this?

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...of-cancer.html


    Blessings,

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    According to the article...

    Quote
    The illness was unrelated to the radiation exposure after the nuclear accident, according to Tepco, as Tokyo Electric is known.

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    I am hopeful that Kimberly and Target will keep on posting any new findings they might come across along the same lines, and I think it's important not to discourage them from doing so.
    We have been lied to about so many things, and if we've been lied to about the extent of the dangers of radioactivity, then it's important to know that.
    Obviously, there ARE dangers--I don't think anyone has denied that.
    But with Fukushima looming over the heads of everyone on the planet, and the accompanying fear, despair and hopelessness generated by the prospect of it all washing into the sea, it would be helpful if we can all get a clearer idea of what the prospects of survival really are.
    My particular way of dealing with all the negative thoughts that come up for me around these issues has been what most would call airy-fairy, based on channeled information that says ETs are helping to ameliorate the worst effects of radioactivity, and that as Earth moves into higher frequencies, those effects on living things are neutralized.
    But there's no way of knowing if that is really the case, or, if it is, to what extent it is true and just how long it will be before all life on Earth is safe from those effects.
    So whatever our chances for surviving this apparent fatal disaster might be, I would like to know about it.
    It might be a good idea to keep the threads about Fukushima and about Galen Winsor's work separate until there is something more definitive to offer skeptics about his theory.
    But I would think that if his work is verifiable, there will be other whistleblowers coming forth with more information.
    I think if that if this is the case, Avalon will be open to hearing it.
    Probably the biggest reservations anyone here has about the theory is that there has been so little in the way of corroboration.
    Personally, I don't really want to spend hours listening to one man's theory if there is nothing else to back it up, but if that's all there is, then I might go ahead and do it.
    I can't think of an issue that is more important to the planet at the moment, so it would probably be a justifiable expenditure of time.
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    Default Re: Japan nuclear agency upgrades Fukushima alert level

    Radiation is of course not healthy in large doses. What I have seen on this thread is that besides Target T, everyone is apealling to the drama, the emotional aspect of it and decidedly leaving the so-called science out of it. Pictures of deformities does not constitute proof. And the question I ask is not addressed because no one knows.

    We have been duped in this regard, like so many other areas of interest to our controllers. We know radiation in large doses is harmful, yes. But we have been told that anything in close proximity to a radioactive source will itself become radioactive. So I ask again. What scientific method can explain this bizzare characteristic of radioactive decay? How does something become contaminated by radioactivity without leaving behind fissile material?
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    Default Re: Japan nuclear agency upgrades Fukushima alert level

    Not everything that goes up must come down.

    Please excuse my strange way of writing.


    Nuclear power plants were set up for a false purpose.. genius idea and very effective.

    They needed something that would stay up and stay put. In the hemisphere and below it.. not sure.

    They worked for a long time trying to make this thing work as in a way of switching it on and off. Negative and positive.

    Once that was done (with huge help from chem trails to fill the gaps that the nuclear power plants couldn't reach) then it was set and we now have a global kind of computer in the sky that will forever multiply itself. Name of this I don't know. They struggled with this for longer than anticipated.

    This has already been achieved or they are still struggling with it. Either way it will happen. Many tests and experiments have already taken place. Lots of disasters happened regarding the experiments but they pushed forward regardless. Birds falling from the sky and fish deaths ect ect..

    Then they'll offer everyone free cool stuff regarding internet usage and then whallop!! they have us all by the short curly smelly ones.
    This is already happening.

    Is Fukushima harmful to us all? Yes, but not in the way we normally think.

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    Quote Posted by Kimberley (here)
    Quote Posted by Limor (here)
    Dear Kimberly and TargetT,



    What are your thoughts about this?

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...of-cancer.html


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    According to the article...

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    The illness was unrelated to the radiation exposure after the nuclear accident, according to Tepco, as Tokyo Electric is known.
    Thanks, Kimberly. Tepco is not a reliable source , I think we may both agree on that. and they would certainly not admit that there is any relation between cancer and radioactivity. No such integrity exists in any cooperative on earth today.


    Quote Originally posted by Onawah: " I am hopeful that Kimberly and Target will keep on posting any new findings they might come across along the same lines, and I think it's important not to discourage them from doing so. "
    You are right. I appologise if my own words may sound discouraging. This is not to contradict or to advocate Galen Winsor's research and knowledge. A complete conjugation in favor of either one approach is not healthy since it's difficult to know.. Fear of possible consequences is also something which is understood..

    you yourself said:

    Quote "My particular way of dealing with all the negative thoughts that come up for me around these issues has been what most would call airy-fairy, based on channeled information that says ETs are helping to ameliorate the worst effects of radioactivity, and that as Earth moves into higher frequencies, those effects on living things are neutralized.
    But there's no way of knowing if that is really the case, or, if it is, to what extent it is true "
    I really appreciate you for saying that. And our concerns sometimes pushes us to look for comfort and not so much for real solution. In this case, real solution, the way I see it, is to kick those people/ whatever they are asses, know their game, and expose them to all.

    As SKIBADABOMSKI says- " they pushed forward regardless.."

    Again, it's about the PLANS, not so much the PLANTS

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    Theres a lot more happening than just Fukushima. See what we nearly missed..


    15,000 Russians in Baltimore by October 1st.

    82% of our combat forces and their supply elements out of CONUS by October 1st.

    FEMA purchase orders for over $14.2 million for MREs and heater meals to be delivered to Region III by October 1st.

    FEMA purchase orders for 22 million pouches of emergency water to be delivered to region III by October 1st.

    FEMA purchase orders for $13.6 million for MREs and heater meals to be delivered to Austin by October 1st.

    Nine-week training course for UN Peacekeepers in CONUS to learn Urban Warfare, English, and US weapons systems beginning 4th week of July for 386,000 troops to be completed by October 1st.

    $11 million in antibiotics to be delivered to FEMA region III by October 1st ordered by CDC.

    World Health Organization held second emergency meeting in its history to discuss MERs coronavirus. Determined a vaccine MUST be in place by October 1st.

    2800 MRAPs must be delivered to DHS by October 1st.

    No leave will be allowed for US military from September 28th thru November 5th.

    NORCOMM yearly training for civil unrest suspended until September 27th. To be performed in northeast coastal areas.

    Date for release of QE3 report moved to October 16th.

    All DHS agents MUST qualify with sidearm, shotgun and AR 15 by September 28th. No mention of yearly less lethal qualification.

    Sporadic testing of GPS and Communications satellites is coordinated for the first time with a testing date of September 29th.

    POTUS mandates to FEMA and DHS concerning support for metropolitan communities dealing with the extreme climate change MUST be complete by October 1st. These mandates were issued during the last three weeks.

    Over 300 school systems in the US have determined they need three-day kits for each school AND three-day kits for each student to take with them. All deliveries are scheduled for the month of September.

    All National Guard units will complete riot control and disaster assistance training during this years annual two week training. All units MUST have their training complete by September 30th.

    Daily testing of the Emergency Broadcast System to begin on September 25th and run thru October 2nd.

    Eastern-based Coast Guard units to perform massive group training, usually performed in the Gulf, in the Virginia and Delaware areas. This is a 10-day training mission to begin September 26th.

    A sidenote to ponder: For the first time in the history of the United Nations, the Secretary General addresses the Assembly, a speech that was broadcast live to over 60 nations, to inform the assembly that while we are dealing with what appears to be two global crises -- extreme climate change and financial downturns -- the governments of the world are working together to resolve the issues before they reach catastrophic proportions. In other words, he addresses the Assembly and the world just to say everything is going to be okay

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    Dont confuse preparations with something malicious. When something or someone isnt prepared we blame them, when they prepare for things we're suspicious of them.
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    I would like to weigh in here, for just one moment I too was a child of the cold war, and new and believe what the official story from TV Radio, about radiation and held the fear of it for over 60 years hiding under desks when you see a flash and on and on. Even made up my own fear scenario, and yes backed the (official story) untill I listend to a whistle blower by the name of Galen Winsor.

    Bill and Karrie have made there living on interviewing the alterative to the (official story) from UFO , 911 , ET , FEMA , endless testimony of what lies have been pushed upon the world population.. There were no plains at 911, aluminum light weight nose is hollow with a radar in it, going up against hardened steel and concrete. One example of the Official Story against known facts.. This is no different If I can counter fit 911, and you believe in it as gospel truth, known facts that you will believe are the lies they are telling everyone. O but they dont lie? they cant its national news. they cant lie.

    If any of you do not believe the Official Story on 911, this radiation is a peace of cake because the home work, research and interview to get to the bottom of this official story has been done for you. On the threads listed on this thread.

    If you believe in Japans official story then you need to believe the story about 911 being all about plains and terrorist.

    Galen Winsor is first person hands on whistle blower and worked and developed radiation control, containment, and safety long before the nuclear commission was put in place buy money greedy corporations letting a fuel source of free energy to all the world got out to the public, world wide. "how do we stop this from getting out" answer (nrc)

    Galen Winsor is the smoking gun, thats if you set aside your official story of fear of radiation. Now I too hang a radioactive rock around you neck like I have for the last six months, I too was on your side, fighting for every ounce of belief in nuclear power is bad, till I realized why didn’t some one not explain to the people in two city’s in Japan after being bombed, that those two city’s would be dead for the next 500 years. No dead zone there?, after the NRC corporation came into being they stopped Galen Winsor from showing how safe it is.

    So now every time anything happens it’s a dead zone no one can go any where near this topic or zone or official story. And everyone must listen to there lie’s ?

    If you can believe a man like Galen Winsor who’s telling it like it is before the NRC was invented to keep people away from free energy. Then we must not believe any whistle blower ever again. And makes this forum mute IMHO.

    NRC , MSM, CNN, Corp. news you believe? Avalon Forum, is the cutting edge in digging up the truth in all thing on this planet Matrix controlled existence.

    Allot of people have looked into this subject in-depth just like 60 minutes would on your TV you should not be watching. 99 percent of everything on this planet has been a lie to keep Banks, corporations, and those that are in control of what go’s into your heads. And this by fare is the one lie’s that would collapse there hole house of cards, and I can see by this thread they have done a very good job in keeping statues quo well and very health. Just think what you wont know tomorrow.

    We’ve done the work, please read, its there. We know your fears. We’ve been there let us show you they still lie. Anyone can print money -- you think story’s cant be printed for your enjoyment or torment.

    Galen Winsor before the NRC official story. Regulatory why ? Money and power of course thats there bottom line. And we all fell for it.. Shhhh Musset rock the corporate dollar. If nothing else follow the money trail. If that’s to hard to do then just listen to the Galen interview.

    First person hands on knowledge before the NRC… before the NRC did you get that ---- before the lie's were invented.

    If you have a marble counter top. your contaminated. Ha Ha --- no its healthy -- that is if you did the home work like we did. its free check it out. or its eye's wide shut, at least on this topic just MHOP.
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    Ive shown how sources like Helen C. Have either purposefully lied about the topics they speak on or are easily mislead into believing such preposterous notions that are then defended as fact with out even the most basic fact/source checks.

    The anti-nuclear lobby literally has nothing to back it; yet after pointing this out I see the same material again; due diligence is not being done.

    im moving this weekend, so I cant participate much more.

    jwheat brings up some very good points; please set aside emotion and consider this topic as if you have never heard of it before, I think you will see we have been (again) lied to, and this topic is one of the very worst due to its drastic life changing implications.
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    TargeT, I agree with you that Helen Caldicott makes claims which are exaggerated and/or substantiated. She is not the best anti-nuclear advocate. I have more confidence in Arnie Gunderson, who tends to be very meticulous (www.fairewinds.com) and Majia at http://majiasblog.blogspot.com/ as well as www.enenews.com and ex-skf.blogspot.com for news and analysis.

    So I have to respectfully disagree with you and say that the anti-nuclear lobby, while weak and vastly under-resourced compared with the nuclear-military-industrial complex, does have quite a few facts on its side.

    However, I do agree that there are many “anti-nuclear” statements made, including on this forum, which are incorrect and therefore should be corrected.

    I'm more interested in facts than “balance”; based on my understanding the facts are that Fukushima is a huge and on-going catastophe, and also that the nuclear industry has every motivation to hide this fact (backed up of course by the MSM – this is why there have been so few stories relating to Fukushima from mid-2011 to recently – not sure if this is a conspiracy or just a stuck-in-paradigm thing – anyway).

    Maybe a good way of illustrating this is to analyse the previous comments from your friend and point out a few salient facts which they did not mention.

    Your friend said:

    “Chernobyl was fundamentally different than Fukushima in that no reactor vessels ever exploded. Nuclear fuel is incased in a metal called zirconium, the zirconium acts to keep the harmful fission products of the uranium fission process contained and out of the atmosphere and reactor water. The fuel rod assemblies in the reactors at fukushima got hot enough for the zirconium to begin braking down. The zirconium itself started reacting with superheated water producing hydrogen as a byproduct. When the crew was forced to depressurize the reactor vessels the hydrogen collected in the buildings causing explosions of the reactor service floors (the portion of the building above the reactor). However the reactors themselves remained intact. I believe one reactor was breached later on due to superheated corium that made its way through the bottom of the reactor however it wasn’t in an explosive matter.”

    This is not correct. Reactor 3 did actually explode, and Reactor 3 is the one containing the plutonium-mixture fuel, i.e. the most toxic fuel. Arnie Gunderson did a good analysis of how the Reactor 3 explosion was larger than the earlier Reactor 1 explosion.

    See also: http://enenews.com/asahi-explosion-a...doned-facility

    http://enenews.com/nuke-industry-rep...ent-fuel-pools

    http://enenews.com/highly-radioactiv...lown-mile-away

    On the spent fuel rods – your friend's statement is correct but not the whole story: “It is a lot more fuel than the other pools and it is still very fresh and a primary concern. Among the 50yr Fukushima cleanup plan, handling this spent fuel is the top priority however it’s much easier said than done.” This is quite a huge understatement. SPF 4 is in an unstable state, and also high off the ground – it is unlikely to be able to survive another big earthquake, hence even TEPCO admits the urgency to get those fuel rods out of there. This is not a 50 year plan issue, it is an emergency. I think the scheduled removal is starting in October-November this year, but we will see.

    The problem is, with all the damage and the junk that has fallen into the pool, each rod is going to have to be removed manually and if it touches any other rod, could cause an explosion, and will also require cooling, and will also be highly radioactive, so nobody can get near this while it is happening. And what happens if there is a slip? There are over 1,000 fuel rods in SPF 4. And let's remember that SPF 4 has NO containment at all, only water provides the shielding.

    Also, your friend says the following, which is so wrong it is not even funny: “Fukushima was 5-10 times less severe than Chernobyl, and Chernobyl was 50-100 times less severe than the nuclear weapons testing era.”

    Was. WAS?!? Fukushima is ON-GOING. Apart from SPF 4, apart from the even larger common SPF, there are 3 huge lumps of corium somewhere underneath the reactor containment vessels which are only being kept cool by huge flows of water, which is leading to large amounts of contaminated water being stored on-site (and currently leaking, as per the recent stories in the MSM) as well as going into the Pacific Ocean.

    Your friend says “at least two of the neighboring reactors need active cooling to remain in cold shut down status” which is utter non-sense. “cold shut down status” is TEPCO propaganda smoke and mirrors. Anyone who uses that phrase seriously – and claims to have any knowledge of this issue – without critizing it has zero credibility. ZERO. There is nothing close to cold shut down at Fukushima, although TEPCO claimed some sort of equivalent status in 2011 or 2012, I think, which led the MSM to conclude that everything is fine.

    Reactors 1 to 3 all experienced a full meltdown and a melt-through of the primary containment. Probably some rods remain in the reactors, but most of it is melted into corium and has melted through the steel underside of the reactors, into and probably through the concrete underneath. Each lump of corium is what, 50 to 100 tons of extremely radioactive metal/concrete/etc.

    They do not know where the corium is. They have no way of recovering the corium. They can only try and keep it cool and hope nothing else bad happens. Probably, there are on-going criticalities in the corium and/or the reactor vessels which are leading to discharges into the air – all the recent smoke/steam – see majiasblog.blogspot.com for more detailed analysis. The air discharges may even be worse than the water discharges, I suspect this may be the case especially because there is virtually no MSM coverage of the air discharges.

    How long will the corium remain radioactive? 10's, perhaps 100's of years. I don't know – but a very long time. How much radioactive waste water will be created during that period? A vast amount. It is hard to even do the calculation. Has anyone from TEPCO or the MSM even sketched it out? No, of course not.

    So the fact that your friend uses the past tense for Fukushima, indicates a complete lack of understanding of the situation. Sorry to be so blunt, but that is the truth.

    No discussion of this issue would be complete without a discussion of the difference between internal and external radiation, which you have mentioned in your previous posts but not addressed fully. External radiation is when you are exposed to an X-ray, take a plane, etc. You have some exposure, then walk away. Internal radiation is when you inhale or ingest the stuff. Far, far, worse.

    Yes, humans do not absorb plutonium naturally. But what if a tiny speck gets stuck in the lungs? It is highly, highly radioactive.

    And what about ceasium and strontium? Ceasium acts like potassium, and so passes through the body, but stronium acts like calcium, and goes to the bones. Stays there forever. Very, very bad news.

    This stuff is in the Pacific, and it is going to accumulate in the fish, and especially in the fish that eat the fish. Nobody should eat, e.g. tuna that has come from the Pacific.

    The consequences of Fukushima are only beginning to become apparent.. It is a disaster of the highest order, on-going, quite likely to get worse. International intervention is the most logical solution, but of course this will not happen while the Japanese are unable to admit just how badly messed up the situation is. If you think MSM propaganda is bad, just try Japanese propaganda! Look at ex-skf.blogspot.com for a Japanese perspective on all this.

    Don't get me wrong – Japan is a great place, Japanese people are great. But the government, and the nuclear industry there – totally dysfunctional and hostile to the truth. Like governments all around the world. Only this time, Fukushima is not only a Japanese problem.

    Finally, totally agree with you that we need a balanced perspective on this issue. So let's start with the facts. We need rational discussion. There is not enough of this about, particularly not from the MSM, but also from some of the anti-nuclear side.

    Finally finally, no discussion of Fukushima can be complete without mentioning that cancer is fully curable, not least by using hemp oil (Google Rick Simpson). So we cannot ONLY look at Fukushima (or we would get very, very depressed)...

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