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    This is one of the best articles about Lyme Disease I have read.
    We probably need a thread devoted to Lyme Disease, it's that bad now.
    I think some of what is being identified as Lyme has been deliberately engineered, and this article doesn't deal with that, but is otherwise very comprehensive.

    Prevalence of Lyme Disease in the US Is 10-Times Higher Than Previously Reported
    September 04, 2013 |

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...e-disease.aspx

    (There's another video at the link, which I wasn't able to embed.)
    Quote By Dr. Mercola

    It’s now been fairly well-established that chronic inflammation is an underlying factor in most chronic illnesses. Diseases, such as Parkinson's, multiple sclerosis, cardiomyopathy, gastritis, and chronic fatigue, are all turning out to be expressions of chronic infections.

    Lyme disease appears to be a major, yet oftentimes hidden, player. This may sound shocking to you, but diagnosing Lyme is very difficult, so the actual number of cases is high relative to reporting.

    According to preliminary statistics1, 2 just released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), approximately 300,000 new cases of Lyme disease are diagnosed in the US each year. This is about 10 times higher than the officially reported number of cases, indicating that the disease is being vastly underreported.

    The data was presented by CDC officials at the 2013 International Conference on Lyme Borreliosis and Other Tick-Borne Diseases in Boston in the middle of August. As reported in the featured article by Medical News Today3:

    “This agrees with studies reported in the 1990s that showed the actual number of Lyme diseases cases in the US was likely to be three to twelve times higher than reported... Lyme disease is the most commonly reported tick-borne illness in the US.”

    What Is Lyme disease?

    Lyme disease was named after the East Coast town of Lyme, Connecticut, where the disease was first identified in 1975.4 The disease was first referred to as "Lyme arthritis" due to the presentation of atypical arthritic symptoms in children that lived in that city. By 1977, the black-legged tick (Ixodes scapularis, also known as the deer tick) was linked to transmission of the infection.

    Then in 1982, Willy Burgdorfer, PhD, discovered the bacterium responsible for the infection: the spirochete, named after him, Borrelia burgdorferi,5 is a cousin to the spirochete bacterium that causes syphilis.

    In fact, the two look almost identical under a microscope. B. burgdorferi's corkscrew-shaped form allows it to burrow into and hide in a variety of your body's tissues, which is why it causes such wide-ranging multisystem involvement.

    Borrelia burgdorferi does not just exist as a spirochete; it has the ability to live intracellularly (inside your cells) as an “L-form” and also encoated as a “cyst” form. These different morphologies explain why treatment is so difficult and recurrence of symptoms occurs after standard antibiotic protocols.

    Adding to the difficulty in treating Lyme, the organisms may live in biofilm communities, which are basically a colony of germs surrounded by a slimy glue-like substance that is hard to unravel. For these reasons you will often see Lyme referred to as “stealth.”

    No doubt about it, this clever maneuvering and the pleomorphism of the germ helps it hide and survive despite the most aggressive antibiotics of our time. Furthermore, as reported in the featured article:

    “The Lyme disease bacterium has a quirky feature for survival. It can exist without iron, which most other living organisms require to make proteins and enzymes. Instead of iron, B. burgdorferi uses manganese, thus eluding immune system defenses that destroy pathogens by starving them of iron.”

    You May Never See the Tick That Bites You

    You can be host to the Lyme germ. The tick, which feeds off deer, birds, animals (including your pet), then gets on you. It numbs your skin so you won’t feel it. It prefers dark, crevices such as your armpit or behind your ear, or your scalp. Depending on the season, the tick may be a baby, termed a nymph.

    It attaches to you (the host) and you may not see it since nymphs are no bigger than a poppy seed. Once it attaches itself to you it feeds on you (they are blood-suckers). At some point, and it may be an hour or a couple of days, it will ‘spit’ its bacterial load into you. The bacteria are released into your blood from the infected tick via saliva. We now know there are five subspecies of Borrelia burgdorferi, more than 100 strains in the U.S. and 300 worldwide, many of which have developed resistance to our various antibiotics.

    It’s worth noting that while many still attribute Lyme transmission exclusively to ticks, Dr. Deitrich Klinghardt, one of the leading authorities on Lyme disease, warns that the bacteria can also be spread by other insects, including mosquitoes, spiders, fleas, and mites. This may be the reason so few Lyme sufferers recall being bitten by a tick. The other reason of course, is that you don’t feel the bite, and usually don’t see the tick!

    In fact, fewer than half of Lyme patients recall ever getting a tick bite. Many Lyme patients don't remember such an event because the tick numbs your skin before biting so it is never felt. In some studies,this number is as low as 15 percent. So, if you don't recall seeing a tick on your body, that doesn't rule out the possibility of Lyme disease. There’s even some evidence pointing to Lyme disease being capable of sexual and congenital transmission...

    To add confusion to the story of Lyme disease, ticks usually transmit more than the Borrelia organism. They could simultaneously infect you with Bartonella, Rickettsia, Ehrlichia and Babesia. Any or all of these organisms can travel with Borrelia burgdorferi (the causative agent of Lyme) and each causes a different set of symptoms. When a person has Lyme, they often have some co-infections. Simply put, you can have one tick bite, and wind up with five different infections. Each patient with “Lyme disease” presents differently based upon their co-infections, making a standard treatment plan impossible. Treatment is based upon presentation of symptoms.

    Lyme Disease: 'The Great Imitator'

    Many Lyme patients who battle this disease on a daily basis appear healthy, which is why Lyme disease has been called "the invisible illness." They often "look good," and their routine blood work appears normal, but their internal experience is a far different story. Several people close to me, including my girlfriend Erin and a loved one of Suzy Cohen, R. Ph, have struggled with Lyme disease for between 15 and 20 years. Both recently tested positive through the GeneX blood test discussed below. This is actually a common scenario for many Lyme patients.

    The problem of misdiagnosis is typical for many Lyme patients because conventional labs are not good at detecting the causative agent (Borrelia burgdroferi) or it's co-infecting pathogens. Additionally, physicians have been told for years that Lyme does not occur in some states which is incorrect. Lyme is in every state, and in fact worldwide.

    With Lyme, the most disabling symptoms are always invisible. You never feel completely well, there is always some issue to deal with, and as soon as one symptom retreats, another appears. The dial is spinning all the time. The constant and sometimes disabling symptoms leave you physically depleted and spiritually weakened. Complicating matters further, Lyme disease is also notoriously difficult to diagnose, and laboratory tests are known to be unreliable. It’s difficult to test for Lyme for a variety of reasons, but one of the main ones is that there are so many species of the germ, and only a handful of strains are detectable with current lab science technology.

    It Can Happen to Anyone

    Because Lyme and all of its co-infections cause so many constant symptoms, it easily mimics disorders, such as multiple sclerosis (MS), arthritis, Parkinson’s, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, ALS, ADHD and Alzheimer's disease. The only distinctive hallmark unique to Lyme disease is the "bull’s-eye" rash known as Erythema Migrans,6 a red rash with an expanding red ring around it and this occurs soon after the tick bite. After it clears up, this bull’s-eye rash is gone.

    And for the record, it’s not even always in the shape of a bull’s eye. Perhaps now you understand why the cases reported to the CDC have been woefully low. But as just mentioned, less than half of all cases of Lyme can be traced to a tick bite, so this hallmark rash is absent in many of those infected.

    So how do you know if you have Lyme disease? Besides the rash, some of the first symptoms of Lyme disease may include a flu-like condition with fever, chills, headache, stiff neck, achiness and fatigue. Treatment at this point is crucial because it may help you avoid chronic Lyme. If you don’t see the tick and remove it, it can progress to ailments like arthritis, facial palsy, nervous system and heart problems and a hundred other symptoms. For a more extensive list of symptoms, refer to the Tick-Borne Disease Alliance7 (TBDA), but some of the more frequent symptoms include the following:

    Muscle and joint pain
    Neurological problems
    Heart involvement
    Vision and hearing problems
    Migraines

    To give you an example, recently the College of Charleston President George Benson was hospitalized for Lyme disease according to an email he addressed to campus members. Prior to this, he had been hospitalized for severe back pain, but no one was sure of the exact cause. His possible successor, Republican Lt. Gov. Glenn McConnell was also ill from Lyme disease last year according to The Associated Press. Lyme is everywhere, I suspect that even the most recent numbers reported by the CDC (300,000 cases) is lower than the actual real-life cases. For more real-life examples, see the discussion below, featuring two Lyme patients, and this recent CNN Health article8 by Erik Nivison, producer for HLN's "In Session,” who was recently diagnosed with Lyme disease after 2 years of symptoms.

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    Controversy Surrounding Lyme Disease

    There’s a load of controversy around Lyme disease. In the past, sufferers were told their ailments were “all in their head,” and the disease was largely swept under the rug. Sadly, this still occurs today and this is frequently missed. The controversy for the most part today largely revolves around whether or not antibiotics are effective against chronic Lyme disease, and whether there even is such a thing as chronic Lyme.

    According to Suzy Cohen, doctors that belong to the Infectious Disease Society of America (IDSA) do not believe in chronic Lyme and typically will not treat a Lyme patient beyond four weeks. Some medical doctors and practitioners belong to the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society9 (ILADS) group, which does believe that Lyme can and often persists beyond a few weeks, and are willing to treat you beyond the four-week period.

    I can tell you, chronic Lyme does exist, and no matter how long you’ve had it, there is always hope for a full recovery. It baffles me as to how physicians can deny infection when these organisms are stealth and evade detection and standard treatment protocols. As described by investigative journalist Beth Daley in the PBS interview10 above:

    “It's a very controversial disease, in large part because there are so many questions about treatment and lingering symptoms of people with Lyme and if people actually have Lyme disease who are sick... [T]raditionally, you get bit by a tick, you might see a rash or feel a fever or you go to the doctor. They sort of diagnose you through tests or clinically. And you would probably get three to four weeks of oral antibiotics. And that is -- most people agree, is usually enough to knock the disease from your system completely. Sometimes, it goes a little bit longer if it's more involved, but short courses of antibiotics overall.

    However, a large segment of people believe that their symptoms linger for years sometimes, and the only way to treat them is to use long-course antibiotics, often through intravenously or orally, for years on end to -- so they can live, so they can really get out of bed in the morning. And that is a controversy. The medical establishment says, listen, there's no proof this longer course of antibiotics work at all. And these Lyme patients say, yes, it does... And a lot of the debate centers on, a lot of insurance companies won't pay for those antibiotics. As a result, lots of people go bankrupt...”

    According to Daley, there’s little discussion within the medical community to determine whether patients with lingering symptoms actually benefit from long-course antibiotics or not. However, some researchers are looking into the matter. Researchers at Yale, for example, are investigating whether the killed-off bacteria might be leaving protein residues behind, causing long-term symptoms. Other research being performed at Tufts suggests that the bacteria can indeed survive, at least in animal studies, and that this weakened bacteria might still contribute to problems. Daley also points out that these latest statistics really bring Lyme disease to the fore politically:

    “If you just consider Massachusetts, which is -- where The Boston Globe is, we spend $10 million a year and more on mosquito control. We spend $60,000 on tick-borne diseases. The disparity is great. And as Lyme disease burden grows on public health, hopefully -- I think people are hoping that the political forces will come to bear, that they will start seeing money to eradicate ticks in the environment or help people learn more about them.”

    I personally believe that long term antibiotic treatment is not a wise choice for most, and that every natural alternative should be considered prior to that strategy as there is a major danger for impairing your beneficial bacteria and developing a yeast or fungal co-infections, which are already common in the disease.

    The use of antifungals like fluconazole and nystatin may certainly be appropriate and helpful when a secondary yeast infection is present, and it often is present in cases of Lyme disease. In an ideal world, you would boost your immune function with a healthy diet, antioxidants such as astaxanthin and even a compounded drug called low-dose naltrexone (LDN), known to help your body fight harder. A gentler solution to conventional antibiotics that can strip your body of needed probiotics and cause a myriad of symptoms is the Nutramedix line of herbal antimicrobials. This was developed by my friend Dr. Lee Cowden and is often termed the “Cowden Protocol.” It is not thought to cause resistance because this protocol cycles various herbal antimicrobials.

    Is There Such a Thing as Chronic Lyme Disease?

    Slate Magazine11 ran an article earlier this summer highlighting the controversy surrounding chronic Lyme disease, also referred to as “post-treatment Lyme disease syndrome” (PTLDS). According to some studies,12 PTLDS affects 0.5 to 13 percent of patients treated for Lyme:

    “Doctors divide chronic Lyme disease into two categories, broadly speaking. The first involves patients who have a known history of infection by Borrelia burgdorferi, the spirochete responsible for Lyme disease. A small subgroup of patients treated for the disease experiences aches, fatigue, and other nonspecific symptoms more than a year after the infection clears. Whether these symptoms have anything to do with the initial infection or treatment is a subject of controversy among mainstream doctors, because we don’t have enough data to make a judgment.

    Then there are patients with no proven history of actual infection, who represent the overwhelming majority of people claiming to suffer from chronic Lyme. This form of chronic Lyme is controversial in the same sense that rhinoceros horn therapy is controversial: There’s no reliable data to support it.”

    While some patients do report success on long-term antibiotic treatments, there are clearly risks associated with such a strategy. For one, you raise your risk of developing antibiotic-resistant disease, and antibiotics kill off both good and bad bacteria, making it virtually impossible to maintain optimal gut health without rigorous reseeding of probiotics. By disrupting your gut flora, you then expose yourself to a whole host of other pathologies. This is an important point, and a major part of the overall controversy. So should you be treated with long-term antibiotics if you do not have a history of active Lyme infection? I believe the side effects of taking antibiotics long-term are detrimental enough to consider your alternatives. And remember, Lyme organisms can exist in three different forms (cyst, spirochete and L-form) so they are really very good at hiding from antibiotics anyway.

    If you are one of those people that are sensitive to alcohol, medications, antibiotics or perfume, this is a sign that you likely have a methylation defect in your genetics. The methylation pathway is a detoxification pathway in your body that clears toxins. Lyme disease sufferers often have a methylation problem, especially those people with neurological symptoms that are unresponsive to conventional treatments. Suzy Cohen wrote a detailed article about methylation and explains how to naturally circumvent this problem if you have Lyme disease, and ease your symptoms. For that article click here.13

    Tests and Treatment Protocols for Lyme Disease

    One of the reasons blood tests are so unreliable as indicators of Lyme infection is that the spirochete has found a way to infect your white blood cells. Lab tests rely on the normal function of these cells to produce the antibodies they measure. If your white cells are infected, they don't respond to an infection appropriately. And the worse your Borrelia infection is, the less likely it will show up on a blood test. So, in order for Lyme tests to be useful, you have to be treated first. Once your immune system begins to respond normally, only then will the antibodies show up...

    If your blood test comes back with positive IgM antibodies, take this as a positive confirmation of active Lyme in your body. I tell you this because many physicians will dismiss a positive IgM antibody and tell you that you do not have an active infection. They will tell you it is a false positive and not to worry, and not to treat. Nothing could be further from the truth. Because of a process called antigenic variation, the proteins on the outer surface of the Lyme germ move around, causing your body to see the germ as new and different, even if it's been living inside your body for decades. This is what causes the positive IgM years after the initial infection. It's also called "epitope switching." So I want you to know that if you have a blood test that shows positive IgM antibodies, I would consider this a positive test, and you are best served by getting treatment, especially if you have symptoms of Lyme.

    Another reason is because a vaccine was developed years ago, and conventional testing does not identify the most popular surface proteins or “bands” as they are sometimes called because those were in the original vaccine (Lymerix) now removed from the market. So if you can’t test for the most common bands of Lyme, how will you find the infection in people? This is yet another reason Lyme is so underreported. If you take a standard “Western Blot” blood test for it, your test is likely to be negative even if you have full-blown Lyme disease.

    For this reason, I recommend the specialized lab called Igenex because they test for more outer surface proteins (bands), and can often detect Lyme while standard blood tests cannot. Igenex also tests for a few strains of co-infections such as Babesia and Erhlichia. That said, a negative on the Igenex test for these co-infections doesn’t necessarily mean you are not infected, there are many more strains than they can test for.

    Below are the five steps Dr. Klinghardt recommends to consider when treating Lyme Disease:

    Evaluation of all external factors. External factors include electrosmog, EMF, microwave radiation from wireless technologies, and molds. For more information on mold, see Ritchie Shoemaker's website.
    Remediation and mitigation of external factors. Once external factors have been assessed, they're remediated and mitigated. (Please refer to our previous article on mold remediation.) To mitigate microwave radiation, Dr. Klinghardt recommends shielding the outside of your home with a graphite paint called Y Shield. Inside, he uses a special silver-coated cloth for your curtains. Patients are instructed to remove all cordless telephones and turn off all the fuses at night, until they have recovered from Lyme disease.
    Addressing emotional issues. Emotional components of the disease are addressed using Energy Psychology tools, including psychokinesiology (PK), which is similar to the Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT), but more refined and advanced.
    Addressing parasitic, bacterial and viral infections. Dr. Klinghardt addresses the parasites first, followed by the bacteria and the viruses. The "Klinghardt antimicrobial cocktail," which includes wormwood (artemisinin), phospholipids, vitamin C, and various herbs, is an integral part of this treatment. He addresses viral infections with Viressence (by BioPure), which is a tincture of Native American herbs.
    Addressing other lifestyle factors. Nutritional considerations and supplements are addressed.

    Also, the following table lists a variety of different treatment strategies that have been found to be useful in Lyme disease by those embracing natural methods.
    Probiotics to improve immunity and restore microflora during and after antibiotics Curcumin is helpful at reducing neurological toxins and brain swelling
    Astaxanthin to neutralize toxins, improve vision & relieve joint pain, common in Lyme Whey protein concentrate may help with nutrition, often poor in Lyme patients who don’t feel well enough to eat properly
    Grapefruit seed extract may treat the cyst form of Borrelia Krill oil to reduce inflammation
    Cilantro as a natural chelator for heavy metals Serrapeptase helps to break biofilms
    Resveratrol may treat Bartonella, a co-infection and also helps detoxification GABA and melatonin to help with insomnia
    Artemisinin and Andrographis, two herbs that may treat Babesia, a common co-infection CoQ10 to support cardiac health and reduce muscle pain and brain fog
    Quercetin reduces histamine (often high in Lyme) Transfer factors can help boost immune function

    Tips for Preventing Lyme Disease

    Clearly, preventing infection is your best strategy. To avoid tick and other insect bites, make sure to tuck your pants into socks and wear closed shoes and a hat—especially if venturing out into wooded areas. The CDC also recommends cutting down your risk of Lyme and other tickborne diseases by following these steps14:
    Check for ticks daily, on yourself, your child and pets Bathe or shower soon after being outdoors (preferably within two hours) to wash off and more easily find any lingering ticks or tick bites If you’ve been in a tick-infested area, do a careful full body check. Use a mirror to view all parts of your body
    Check for ticks in your child’s hair, under the arms, in and around the ears, the belly button, between the legs, around the waist, and behind the knees Inspect clothing for ticks. Tumble clothes on high heat for an hour to kill ticks you may have missed See a doctor if you develop a telltale “bull’s-eye” rash

    Additional Resources

    In Dr. Klinghardt's experience, the International Lyme and Associated Disease Society15 (ILADS) is by far the best and most responsible group. The following are some other resources you might find helpful:

    "Under Our Skin" website16
    Tick-Borne Disease Alliance17 (TBDA)
    Lymedisease.org18 (formerly CALDA)

    Another leading Lyme disease expert Richard Horowitz, MD and author of the new book, Why Can’t I Get Better? Solving the Mystery of Lyme and Chronic Disease, has stated:

    “This condition is better termed Lyme MSIDS, short for Multiple Systemic Infectious Disease Syndrome. MSIDS is like Pandora’s Box because it includes many infections, co-infections and secondary infections. Treatment should be tailored to each patient individually.”
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    Quite shocking 300 000 thousand Americans each year diagnosed.If anyone suffers from this i will provide some details below

    In Traditional Chinese Medicine, Lyme disease is treated as toxic fire. These fire toxins are treated with extreme heat clearing herbs. From the western point of view, fire toxins include aggressive entities such as bacterial and viral infections but are not limited to them. They can be amoebic parasites and even just toxins of chemical nature or metal particles. Likewise, from a western point of view, the heat clearing herbs have been proven to have a very effective anti-viral and antibacterial action as well as a "cleansing of the blood" effect on other small particles.Below is a TCM protocol for Lyme Disease grouped into three parts:

    Clearing The Toxic Fire (Killing The Bacterium)

    Based on the best of TCM protocols, here is a "clear toxic heat" formula for use as an anti-toxin or "fire quenching agent." These amazing herbs have been successfully used against fire toxins such as malaria, pneumonia, diphtheria, septic angina, typhoid fever and others.

    The 6 herbs used in this formula to clear toxic heat are 5:1 extracts of:
    Chuan xin lian - Andrographis paniculate (a very effective anti-toxin heat clearing herb with anti-spirochetal action in particular)
    Huang Lian - Coptis chinensis (Anti-toxin heat clearing)
    Jin Yin Hua - Flos Lonicerae japonicae (Anti-toxin heat clearing)
    Da Qing Ye - Folium Isatidis (Anti-toxin heat clearing)
    Ban Zhi Lian - Scutellaria barbata; Herba (Anti-toxin heat clearing)
    Tu Fu Ling - Smilax glabra; Rhizoma (Anti-spirochetal action)

    As part of this protocol it is also important to take 2 grams twice daily of Hu Zhang powder (Natural resveratrol from Knotweed in 5:1 extract). It is positive against Leptospirosis, Treponema denticola (spirochetes in oral flora), Bartonella (Buhner) and many gram neg and gram pos bacteria.

    Continually Removing The Toxins From The Joints:

    Xu Duan (ChineseTeasel Root) taken with a "Clear Toxic Heat" formula will help drive the spirochetes from the joints into the blood stream (where it can be killed by the heat clearing herbs). Xu Duan Teasel in tincture form is the best way your body can absorb it.

    Maximizing Your Immune System With a Strong Defense:

    There must also be an effective formula for the immune system that is suitable for long term use. Reishi mushroom and Chinese Astragalus 5:1 (Called Strong Defense) are perfect.

    Together all these herbs become the building blocks of a true hard working lyme disease protocol that, although formulated from ancient herbs, becomes "cutting edge" in fighting this toxic fire we call Lyme Disease.

    Since the early 1930's, the Rockefeller family privatized the US healthcare industry, and similar takeovers occurred in other Western countries. The result was a cartel controlling:

    All medical textbooks,
    All scientific research into the causes of disease,
    All scientific research into the creation of medicines,
    All published information about medical issues in popular and professional literature,
    All national and international laws governing medicine and medicines

    They are the world's most powerful lobby and they will not rest until every human being on the planet is their slave. Only when we are medicated from cradle to grave, only when we will be wholly dependent on their expensive pills, only when most of the money we make goes into their pockets will they be satisfied.

    The pharmaceutical mafia is only interested in making a quick buck, and keeping us all sick enough to need symptom relievers - but not too sick that we are not able to pay our health insurance and taxes, which for a great part also disappears into their pockets.

    There are just about cures for all known disease you just have to know where to look http://www.swaraj.org/shikshantar/Na...reHandbook.pdf

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    Onawah, Thank you so much for this thread, it is much needed. I know there are at least a few on the forum here that are infected myself included. There is also a tie to Morgellons. I believe Clifford Carnicom tested many subjects, and 85% of Morgellons sufferers also had a lyme infection. (that does not mean 85% of Lyme sufferers have Morgellons), but it would not surprise me, because many people have Morgellons, with no open sores, just all of the other symptoms. 100% of the people he tested for Morgellons, with the Red wind gargle, were positive. 100%

    Lyme disease IS/WAS engineered, as a bioweapon, in a lab on Plum Island off the coast of Conneticut. (its no coincidence that the original outbreaks, happened on the East Coast, there in Lyme Conneticut)

    Read the book "LAB 257, by Michael Christopher Carroll". This book is what "woke me up". Straight down the rabbit hole.
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    Thanks Onawah for letting me know that you started this thread. The Mercola article is indeed interesting. More and more people that I know of have Lyme disease, even though officially there is no Lyme in Australia. More and more doctors however, are beginning to acknowledge the reality.

    Where we live we get ticks almost daily...and apparently this area is a hot spot . We are thinking of getting guineafowl, as they are meant to be really good at keeping ticks under control.

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    Quite shocking 300 000 thousand Americans each year diagnosed.If anyone suffers from this i will provide some details below

    In Traditional Chinese Medicine, Lyme disease is treated as toxic fire. These fire toxins are treated with extreme heat clearing herbs. From the western point of view, fire toxins include aggressive entities such as bacterial and viral infections but are not limited to them. They can be amoebic parasites and even just toxins of chemical nature or metal particles. Likewise, from a western point of view, the heat clearing herbs have been proven to have a very effective anti-viral and antibacterial action as well as a "cleansing of the blood" effect on other small particles.Below is a TCM protocol for Lyme Disease grouped into three parts:

    Clearing The Toxic Fire (Killing The Bacterium)

    Based on the best of TCM protocols, here is a "clear toxic heat" formula for use as an anti-toxin or "fire quenching agent." These amazing herbs have been successfully used against fire toxins such as malaria, pneumonia, diphtheria, septic angina, typhoid fever and others.

    The 6 herbs used in this formula to clear toxic heat are 5:1 extracts of:
    Chuan xin lian - Andrographis paniculate (a very effective anti-toxin heat clearing herb with anti-spirochetal action in particular)
    Huang Lian - Coptis chinensis (Anti-toxin heat clearing)
    Jin Yin Hua - Flos Lonicerae japonicae (Anti-toxin heat clearing)
    Da Qing Ye - Folium Isatidis (Anti-toxin heat clearing)
    Ban Zhi Lian - Scutellaria barbata; Herba (Anti-toxin heat clearing)
    Tu Fu Ling - Smilax glabra; Rhizoma (Anti-spirochetal action)

    As part of this protocol it is also important to take 2 grams twice daily of Hu Zhang powder (Natural resveratrol from Knotweed in 5:1 extract). It is positive against Leptospirosis, Treponema denticola (spirochetes in oral flora), Bartonella (Buhner) and many gram neg and gram pos bacteria.

    Continually Removing The Toxins From The Joints:

    Xu Duan (ChineseTeasel Root) taken with a "Clear Toxic Heat" formula will help drive the spirochetes from the joints into the blood stream (where it can be killed by the heat clearing herbs). Xu Duan Teasel in tincture form is the best way your body can absorb it.

    Maximizing Your Immune System With a Strong Defense:

    There must also be an effective formula for the immune system that is suitable for long term use. Reishi mushroom and Chinese Astragalus 5:1 (Called Strong Defense) are perfect.

    Together all these herbs become the building blocks of a true hard working lyme disease protocol that, although formulated from ancient herbs, becomes "cutting edge" in fighting this toxic fire we call Lyme Disease.

    Since the early 1930's, the Rockefeller family privatized the US healthcare industry, and similar takeovers occurred in other Western countries. The result was a cartel controlling:

    All medical textbooks,
    All scientific research into the causes of disease,
    All scientific research into the creation of medicines,
    All published information about medical issues in popular and professional literature,
    All national and international laws governing medicine and medicines

    They are the world's most powerful lobby and they will not rest until every human being on the planet is their slave. Only when we are medicated from cradle to grave, only when we will be wholly dependent on their expensive pills, only when most of the money we make goes into their pockets will they be satisfied.

    The pharmaceutical mafia is only interested in making a quick buck, and keeping us all sick enough to need symptom relievers - but not too sick that we are not able to pay our health insurance and taxes, which for a great part also disappears into their pockets.

    There are just about cures for all known disease you just have to know where to look http://www.swaraj.org/shikshantar/Na...reHandbook.pdf
    Lingzhi or Reishi mushrooms are a very potent medicine. I had a run in with possible lymes earlier this year. The tests came back negative, but after a course of antibiotics and increased reishi concentrates I felt great after a week or so.
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    There is a protocol whereby large doses of enzymes are taken in order to break open the cyst protecting the bacterium. The enzymes are Amalayse, 27,500 USP; Protease, 26,500 USP; and Lipase, 5,700 USP. One hour after taking the enzymes your choice of germ killer can be ingested. Favorites are Cat's Claw, Lyme Nosode (homeopathic preparation), collodial silver, MMS. Cat's Claw is a must. Of course you could take anti-biotics after the enzymes, but we all know the issues with them.

    Another enzyme likely to help is Serrapeptase. A favorite part of my routine is cursing the spirochetes. Thanks so much for this thread and thanks Orchid for the herbal suggestions.

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    Another great article just came out today on Lyme Disease, this one from Alliance for Natural Health
    Quote Lyme Disease: Misdiagnosed, Underreported—and Epidemic
    February 15, 2011
    http://www.anh-usa.org/lymedisease/

    This is yet another example of the US medical-industrial complex run amok. Lyme is one of the most serious epidemics of our time. Yet the opinions of 2% of the medical community are dominating the beliefs and practices of the mass majority of practicing Lyme physicians!

    The number of Lyme disease cases in the United States has doubled since 1991. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that there are nearly 325,000 new cases each year—making Lyme disease an epidemic larger than AIDS, West Nile Virus, and Avian Flu combined. Yet, only a fraction of these cases are being treated, due to inaccurate tests and underreporting. Each year, hundreds of thousands go undiagnosed or misdiagnosed, often told that their symptoms are all in their head.

    You may well ask, “If it’s such a huge epidemic, why are we not hearing anything about it?” The media is silent because doctors and insurance companies alike dismiss it as being a hypochondriacal illness, just as they’ve done for years to sufferers of fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome. It can be expensive to treat—untold numbers have it, and there is no protocol that is completely effective for all patients, no sure-fire cure. And at the root of it all, one Lyme disease organization, in its desire for power and control, is pitting doctors against doctors, prompting health insurance companies to deny medical claims at an alarming rate, and leaving suffering patients stuck in the middle.

    Lyme disease (named after the town of Lyme, Connecticut, where a number of cases were identified in 1975) is a seriously complex multi-system inflammatory disease that is triggered by the bacterial lipoproteins (BLPs) produced by spiral-shaped bacteria called Borrelia burgdorferi, also called Bb. Bb are difficult to isolate, grow, and study in the laboratory. Moreover, there are five subspecies of Bb, over 100 strains in the US, and 300 strains worldwide. This diversity is thought to contribute to its ability to evade the immune system and antibiotic therapy, leading to chronic infection.

    Transmission of Bb occurs primarily through the bite of ticks, though fewer than 50% of patients with Lyme disease recall a tick bite. In some studies this number is as low as 15%. The disease may affect every tissue and every major organ system in the body. Clinically, it can appear as a chronic arthalgia (joint pain), fibromyalgia (fibrous connective tissue and muscle pain), chronic fatigue, brain fog, immune dysfunction, and neurological disease. Lyme disease may even be fatal in severe cases.

    Standard medical treatment usually involves antibiotics. In some patients, Lyme disease can be fairly easy to treat, while in others, it can feel like a never-ending battle. One reason treatment is difficult is because Bb has an in vitro replication cycle of about seven days, one of the longest of any known bacteria. Antibiotics are most effective during bacterial replication, so the more cycles during a treatment, the better. Since the life cycle of Streptococcus pyogenes (the bacterium that causes strep throat) is about eight hours, antibiotic treatment for a standard ten days would cover thirty life cycles. To treat Lyme disease for a comparable number of life cycles, treatment would need to last thirty weeks.

    In addition, there are frequently co-infections—other tick-transmitted diseases—that come along for the ride, most often Babesia, Anaplasma, Ehrlichia and Bartonella. If left untreated, their continued presence increases the length of the illness and prevents successful treatment of Lyme disease.

    Chronic Lyme Disease (CLD) is a systemic, debilitating condition which persists despite antibiotic therapy. Nearly a decade ago, Irwin Vanderhoof, PhD, a professor at the New York University Stern School of Business, estimated that CLD cost society nearly $1 billion per year. That estimate has since skyrocketed to about $2 billion per year, including diagnosis, treatment, and lost wages, according to Contingencies, but this being an actuarial trade publication for the insurance industry, the real figure is probably much higher.

    Four NIH trials have validated the severity of CLD. The well-documented studies looked at Lyme disease patients at various points from six months to nine years after antibiotic therapy was completed. As many as 62% of them were found to have arthritis or recurrent arthralgias, neurocognitive impairment (including objective memory impairment), neuropathy or myelopathy, persistent musculoskeletal pain, and dysesthesia (a condition caused by lesions of the nervous system that causes abnormal sensations such as prickling, itching, burning, or electrical shock), often with persistent, severe fatigue.

    Despite these studies, many physicians continue to deny the existence of CLD, which can hinder efforts to find a solution—and without consensus from mainstream Western medicine, insurance companies will rarely provide treatment, and disability coverage is routinely denied.

    As Raphael Stricker et al. noted in a 2005 article, the political battle over Lyme disease features two polarized medical camps. The dominant camp, represented by the Infectious Diseases Society of America (ISDA), adheres to the philosophy that the disease is “hard to catch and easy to cure,” and that chronic infection with Bb is extremely rare or nonexistent. The opposing camp, represented by the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS), views Lyme disease as an underreported and growing menace that often fails to respond to standard antibiotic therapy, resulting in a chronic debilitating infection that requires prolonged antibiotic treatment. This chart outlines the differences in their approaches to treatment.

    This difference of opinion has resulted in frequent denial of treatment for patients with CLD and prosecution of healthcare providers who treat these patients, and over the past decade the “Lyme Wars” have become progressively more acrimonious.

    ISDA is controversial not only because of its views, but because of serious conflicts of interest alleged against its leadership. In 2008, then Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal, now a US Senator, conducted an antitrust investigation of ISDA which uncovered serious flaws in its 2006 Lyme disease guidelines. “My office uncovered undisclosed financial interests held by several of the most powerful IDSA panelists. The IDSA’s guideline panel improperly ignored or minimized consideration of alternative medical opinion and evidence regarding chronic Lyme disease, potentially raising serious questions about whether the recommendations reflected all relevant science.”

    One big problem is that most doctors follow a standard (but arbitrary) two-tier diagnostic protocol, requiring both a positive ELISA and Western Blot test. But despite the fact that this approach fails to detect up to 90% of cases and does not distinguish between acute, chronic, or resolved infection, these criteria have been used as rigid diagnostic benchmarks that have prevented individuals with Lyme disease from obtaining treatment.

    Moreover, physicians not familiar with the complex clinical presentation of Lyme disease frequently misdiagnose it as multiple sclerosis, lupus, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, rheumatoid arthritis, motor neuron disease (ALS, Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis—Lou Gherig’s disease), Multiple Chemical Sensitivity Syndrome (MCS), or numerous other disorders such as depression and anxiety, that are misdiagnosed as “psychiatric” or “all in your head”.

    According to ILADS, other tests for Lyme disease include antigen capture, urine antigen, and polymerase chain reaction. Each has advantages and disadvantages in terms of convenience, cost, assay standardization, availability, and reliability. One hopeful area of research looks at live cultures under a fluorescent microscope, and measures the live organisms in the bloodstream, so one can keep retesting to see which therapies are working and which aren’t.

    This is a critical difference. An antibody test only shows whether you have been exposed to the illness. A live organism test shows whether you are recovering or have recovered. A very promising live test, the Bowen test, was severely attacked by critics of long-term Lyme treatment and is no longer available.

    Many insurance companies consider alternative tests “experimental and investigational,” and won’t pay for them. If more accurate tests aren’t allowed, the determination of Lyme depends on fallible tests, which greatly limits insurance companies’ financial involvement. Moreover, the therapies allowed by insurance companies are the most conservative ones—intravenous antibiotics at most—and only for a limited time under limited circumstances. If they don’t fix you, that’s just too bad!

    Comparatively few MDs in the country are knowledgeable about Lyme disease; they are often called Lyme-literate MDs. Most LLMDs know about Lyme disease because they have studied it independently. But they are often harassed by the medical community, health officials, state medical boards, and insurance companies for diagnosing and treating Lyme patients beyond the standards set by the establishment. Notable cases were filed against Joseph Burrascano in New York and Joseph Jemsek in North Carolina, forcing them into bankruptcy or leaving them no alternative but to close or relocate their practices. A few Lyme physicians have had their medical licenses revoked. Some LLMDs have discontinued treating Lyme patients due to the harassment. Finding one nearby or who will take new patients can be a real struggle for patients.

    There are a great many alternative therapies being used to treat Lyme disease. One reason for this is that while many therapies show promise, none is a definitive cure. Besides antibiotics, many integrative physicians prescribe a program of vitamins, nutritional supplements, herbs, and antiviral and antibacterial neutraceuticals.

    Hyperbaric oxygen therapy has offered significant alleviation of symptoms, and intravenous vitamin C is once again proving successful. Traditional Chinese Medicine protocols (Chinese herbs, acupuncture, etc.) frequently achieve positive results—they are generally the same for Lyme disease as for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and fibromyalgia, since their symptoms so frequently overlap. Other important research is being done by Dr. Rich Van Konynenburg, who also sees a link between Lyme and CFS. Warren M Levin, MD was the first to report on the high incidence of Lyme disease in Autistic children, which ultimately led to formation of the Lyme Induced Autism Foundation (LIAF). He is now trying to get similar activity for the Candida problem, a frequent “complication” of long term antibiotic therapy that usually is preventable.

    What if you become disabled from Lyme disease? Currently, Lyme disease is not listed in the Social Security Administration’s impairment listing manual, so disability would be denied on the basis of an LD diagnosis alone. However, Lyme sufferers may apply for Social Security Disability or Supplemental Security Income benefits based on their resulting physical restrictions and functional limitations.

    A documentary film, Under Our Skin, follows the stories of patients and physicians fighting for their lives and livelihoods, presenting a haunting picture of a healthcare system and a medical establishment all too willing to put profits ahead of patients.

    In the months ahead, ANH-USA will work to educate public figures about the tragedy of long-term Lyme sufferers and how the medical system is failing them. This is a complicated problem, one that cannot be solved by a single bill in Congress or regulatory change. But as dominant as private insurance companies are in denying that long-term Lyme disease exists, the federal government pays for almost half of healthcare today in the US—that figure is higher, about 60.5%, if you figure in government subsidies for private insurance, and government purchases of private health insurance for public employees such as police officers and teachers—and could easily turn this situation around through its Medicare and other reimbursement policies.
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    My wallet is $6,300 lighter from 40 treatments in a Hyperbaric Oxygen Chamber. Nothing, no improvement.
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    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    Another great article just came out today on Lyme Disease, this one from Alliance for Natural Health
    Quote [...]
    Transmission of Bb occurs primarily through the bite of ticks, though fewer than 50% of patients with Lyme disease recall a tick bite. In some studies this number is as low as 15%. The disease may affect every tissue and every major organ system in the body. Clinically, it can appear as a chronic arthalgia (joint pain), fibromyalgia (fibrous connective tissue and muscle pain), chronic fatigue, brain fog, immune dysfunction, and neurological disease. Lyme disease may even be fatal in severe cases.

    Standard medical treatment usually involves antibiotics. In some patients, Lyme disease can be fairly easy to treat, while in others, it can feel like a never-ending battle.

    Chronic Lyme Disease (CLD) is a systemic, debilitating condition which persists despite antibiotic therapy.
    using common sense, it should become obvious that there are several inconsitencies in this whole "lyme disease theory".

    - it's supposed to be transmitted by ticks, yet in some studies only 15% of people recall ever having been bitten by a tick?

    - it's supposed to be caused by bacteria, yet they respond to antibiotics only in some cases, and not in others?

    - it creates a plethora of different symptoms and all of them are called lyme disease, even though one person has this symptom and another person has that symptom and a third person has an entirely different symptom?

    does that remind anybody of another invented disease? aids, perhaps?

    here are some real facts:
    - lyme disease is a name for a lot of different symptoms that have no common denominator
    - the various symptoms and diseases are not caused by bacteria
    - with the same treatment some people get well and others don't, which shows that it's the people who are the important factor, not any microbe
    - all these different symptoms have different causes. all should be determined by finding out which tissue or organ is affected, when it was affected the first time, and under which conditions the symptoms change - get better or worse
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    Lyme is the close cousin of Syphilis, dubbed The great "immitator", because it can mimic any disease on the planet. You can have one symptom, or 80. Lyme was "engineered using syphilis, "cocktailed" with many tens of other disease cells. If you have lyme, chances are you also have, herpes 6,micoplasma,erlichia,babasia, bartonella, and many other co-infections, depending on the various strains that were manufactured in the lab, and the mutations that have happened in nature over the decades since its release. Yes, I said RELEASE.

    The reason some can get over it and some not, is because, it depends on these factors.

    1. How soon you got diagnosed after exposure.

    2. How strong your immune system is.

    3. Did you doctor become educated on Lyme, if not the cyst stage of the bacterium (spirochete) will prevent the killing of the bug, and has to be dealt with during treatment.

    4. Lifestyle, If you have a spouse and kids to take care of, you will most likely not be able to deal with the herxheimer (die off). Like cancer, during chemo, when you treat Lyme, you get MUCH sicker than you were before treatment. This is not acknowledged by the medical establishment, or society in general. When one has cancer, people come flooding in, to help and support the ill. When you have lyme, you are treated like you can "take a pill, and get better". NOBODY UNDERSTANDS.
    If you do not get a proper diagnosis in the first few months after infection, most likely you will never get rid of it forever. Remission is possible however and that should be the goal, realistically.

    5. It has been proven that Lyme can be transmitted sexually, and through saliva and in the birth canal. If you study the cases on the east coast of the states, entire families are sick. This is not because they were all bitten by a tick. Many many kids are born with Lyme already in their system. if you are born with it, and remain asymptomatic for say 20 years, the chances of getting rid of it are pretty slim.

    6. There has been a deliberate black out of information through mainstream media about this devastating illness, because insurance companies don't want to pay for treatment, but big pharma can get BIG RICH on us by treating our symptoms, by making up fancy names Like Lupus, RA, Chronic fatigue syndrome, Fibromyalgia, MS.
    If you dig deep, you will find that those diseases all have a common denominator. A pathogen, of one kind or another.

    7. Money. If you are one of the lucky people that has much financial support, then you can afford to see a natural type of doctor, that will help you get well. Poor people, really are screwed IMO, if you have Lyme and Co. If you can afford to go to bed when you need to, and not have to remain in slavery, while being sick, your chances of getting better are increased hundred-fold.

    8. Once the pathogen crosses the blood brain barrier, you have what is known as neurolyme. The spirochetes colonize around the hypothalamus gland. When you herx from treatment, with this condition, you have severe problems with any negative emotion that exists. Because, when the pathogen dies, it leaves in its wake a host of toxic material, along with a toxic amount of amonia. Without going into detail, I will just say that this can really **** you up emotionally. Hence, you are forced to stop treatment. It is a roller coaster of,detox, treatment,herx,total incapacitation, detox some more, have a couple good days, then try it again. There are quite a few youtube videos that have popped up over the years, of people documenting their illness, and progress(and there lack of).

    9. What other medical problems to you have. Parasites, heavy metals, digestive blockages etc. All of those ideally need to be dealt with FIRST, before you treat the lyme (if it is past the 6 month mark of infection before diagnosis). If you do not clear your exit pathways, the toxic material just keep cycling through your system instead of exiting your body. Most doctors, even Lyme literate doctors, don't tell you that. It is a tiring and expensive process, depending on your personal condition.

    10. Diet- like any other disease state, if you put crap in, then you will feel like crap, and if you have Lyme, then times that by 10.
    Ultimately, this is not a made up illness. It is a MAJOR cover up. Bigger than the chemtrail cover up. At least millions of people know about the chemtrailing. But the truth about LYME getting out there, is still in its infancy. And the biggest reason is that the victims of this evil concoction are too damn tired and sick to get anything done about it. We are stuck in survival mode. Just get through today, is how we live our lives.


    It has been proven, that Lyme disease was manufactured by the United States Government, in a Laboratory, on Plum Island, off the coast of Connecticut. Patents are the smoking gun. It is also a well known fact that the US military, experiments on the public. Just keep that in mind.
    Also, they came out with the Lymrix vaccine, and it was found that many of the batches had LIVE lyme cells in them. Many people got sick FROM the vaccine. That is why they took it off the market, not because it was unproven for prevention, like was told in the media. Another major cover up there.



    The outrage I feel when I think about the 22 years of my life that have been devastated by this is unbelievable. Literally, millions of people are living with Lyme, and are not diagnosed. Chronic illness, are in epidemic proportions. We have international policies regarding nuclear weapons. What about Bio weapons. Huh? there are as many people sick with Lyme as there would be if a nuclear bomb went off.

    Lyme is in every nation on the planet. But it is covered up.

    Don't believe me? I don't want you to take my word for it. Do your own research. I have research this stuff for 13 years. The facts are all on the internet, and in books. You have to dig to find it all. But its there.

    The one question that I really cannot even answer for myself is, was this disease pandemic planned, and deliberately unleashed? Who really is in control of the hundreds/thousands of BIOLABS that are scattered around the world. Who is enforcing safety regulation and security of these many many laboratories?

    Lyme disease did not COME from a tick. It came from a test tube.

    Read lab 257 to learn how Lyme was manufactured, in a test tube, and transferred to TRILLIONS of ticks........Unless you prefer to sleep at night.
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    i guess it will be useless to point out that syphilis is caused by an entirely different mechanism, too, and that it's not some microbe that is responsible for it. maybe one day more people will realize that diseases are not something that happens to you but biological programs that you start, usually unconsciously, and stop when they're no longer needed. bacteria or fungi are our assistants in the process, and viruses aren't anything at all, except maybe harmless proteins.

    if there's anything in vaccines people can get sick from (and there sure is) then that's toxins.

    "a diseases that mimics other diseases" sounds like hollywood brainwashing. there's no such thing. lyme disease is a smokescreen, just like aids. if people realized the true causes for all of these symptoms big pharma could no longer sell treatments and lots of doctors would be out of work.
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    Try Jim Humble's MMS for lyme disease, MMS can be very helpful with many disease and illness modern medicine has no proper treatments for, like aids, cancer, ms, malaria, Parkinson, Alzheimer, Lyme disease and many more....
    MMS can also used for a complete body cleansing as it will kill all pathogens, it will neutralize poisons (perfect after snake bites) , it oxidizes almost all heavy metals (even mercury) use it for 3 weeks and you will be like new. Check out Jim's website at www.jimhumble.biz

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    Thanx Onawah

    I'm treating myself with Frequency therapy based on Royal Rifes discovery. Hulda Clark developed a machine that has been further enhanced by F-scan f.i. There's this book "The Top 10 Lymedisease treatments" and "Rife machines and Lymedisease". In "The Rife Handbook" one can read about how to treat all kinds of diseases.

    Frequency therapy is prohibited in the US, at least to charge for treatments.
    Also read "The Lymedisease Solution" by Kenneth Singleton.

    I take a lot of supplements having scanned the deficits the Lyme is causing in the body. Also had monocromous lighttheapy. It's important to clean your body and colon before starting or your body may have a hard time getting rid of the toxins from dead bacteria, parasites, viruses and mold that thrive with Lymebacteria.
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    Try Jim Humble's MMS for lyme disease, MMS can be very helpful with many disease and illness modern medicine has no proper treatments for, like aids, cancer, ms, malaria, Parkinson, Alzheimer, Lyme disease and many more....
    MMS can also used for a complete body cleansing as it will kill all pathogens, it will neutralize poisons (perfect after snake bites) , it oxidizes almost all heavy metals (even mercury) use it for 3 weeks and you will be like new. Check out Jim's website at www.jimhumble.biz
    luapski- It is careless, to say that anything taken for 3 weeks will make you good as new. It is not true. Maybe for some. But after decades of being infected with multiple pathogens, it is in every cell in the body. You have to shed it in layers. And you have to do it slowly. If you killed all of it at once you cold literally die from the herxheimer reaction. Not everything works for everyone.

    The real problem with Lyme, is the die off. There ARE ways to kill the disease. But making sure it exits your body without harming or killing you is a whole different ball game. there are videos of people with lyme documenting their MMS / lyme experience. So far, I have seen not one that has any great results. I took MMS for a week, and was 100% incapacitated from herxing. (and that was on the lowest dose possible).. I have a child, and NO HELP. So I live with it.

    That said, not everyone has been living with it for 20 some years. Not everyone has other responsibilities that come first. Not everyone has multiple other issues to deal with. For some, MMS may be a good choice. but I believe even if you use MMS, you need to take systemic enzymes to break open the cyst during treatment.

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    Truth, you are way, way down the rabbit hole. Many can't get down there because the journey is fraught with lies, misinformation, and just total BS. Getting through the mass of info that places blame on pathogens is difficult. It may be that there are no diseases, only symptoms of the greater problem. Problems caused by thoughts, events, traumas, faulty assumptions. Many are on the edge of greater understanding of these causes. Epigenetics, the power of belief and intention. As many assert, we cause our problems. We're responsible for them. Energy and vibration, that's where to look!
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    Try Jim Humble's MMS for lyme disease, MMS can be very helpful with many disease and illness modern medicine has no proper treatments for, like aids, cancer, ms, malaria, Parkinson, Alzheimer, Lyme disease and many more....
    MMS can also used for a complete body cleansing as it will kill all pathogens, it will neutralize poisons (perfect after snake bites) , it oxidizes almost all heavy metals (even mercury) use it for 3 weeks and you will be like new. Check out Jim's website at www.jimhumble.biz
    luapski- It is careless, to say that anything taken for 3 weeks will make you good as new. It is not true. Maybe for some. But after decades of being infected with multiple pathogens, it is in every cell in the body. You have to shed it in layers. And you have to do it slowly. If you killed all of it at once you cold literally die from the herxheimer reaction. Not everything works for everyone.

    The real problem with Lyme, is the die off. There ARE ways to kill the disease. But making sure it exits your body without harming or killing you is a whole different ball game. there are videos of people with lyme documenting their MMS / lyme experience. So far, I have seen not one that has any great results. I took MMS for a week, and was 100% incapacitated from herxing. (and that was on the lowest dose possible).. I have a child, and NO HELP. So I live with it.

    That said, not everyone has been living with it for 20 some years. Not everyone has other responsibilities that come first. Not everyone has multiple other issues to deal with. For some, MMS may be a good choice. but I believe even if you use MMS, you need to take systemic enzymes to break open the cyst during treatment.
    Quote So I live with it.
    So I live with it.
    Yes Sidney, with every bad/negative thing thrown at us, around us and in us, be it natural or man made the key is;

    'So I live with it.'

    So we all live best we can.

    I think with all my physical problems (but not diagnosed) that I might have lyme disease, if so well i've had symptoms going back 30 years doh

    We must all in the material realm, with all the above negatives make sure we do the best we can but! To me now the most important thing to always remember and practice and develop is the regaining of our true spiritual powerful selves..

    Live Life best we can but remember Love and Light to all!
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    Try Jim Humble's MMS for lyme disease, MMS can be very helpful with many disease and illness modern medicine has no proper treatments for, like aids, cancer, ms, malaria, Parkinson, Alzheimer, Lyme disease and many more....
    MMS can also used for a complete body cleansing as it will kill all pathogens, it will neutralize poisons (perfect after snake bites) , it oxidizes almost all heavy metals (even mercury) use it for 3 weeks and you will be like new. Check out Jim's website at www.jimhumble.biz
    luapski- It is careless, to say that anything taken for 3 weeks will make you good as new. It is not true. Maybe for some. But after decades of being infected with multiple pathogens, it is in every cell in the body. You have to shed it in layers. And you have to do it slowly. If you killed all of it at once you cold literally die from the herxheimer reaction. Not everything works for everyone.

    The real problem with Lyme, is the die off. There ARE ways to kill the disease. But making sure it exits your body without harming or killing you is a whole different ball game. there are videos of people with lyme documenting their MMS / lyme experience. So far, I have seen not one that has any great results. I took MMS for a week, and was 100% incapacitated from herxing. (and that was on the lowest dose possible).. I have a child, and NO HELP. So I live with it.

    That said, not everyone has been living with it for 20 some years. Not everyone has other responsibilities that come first. Not everyone has multiple other issues to deal with. For some, MMS may be a good choice. but I believe even if you use MMS, you need to take systemic enzymes to break open the cyst during treatment.
    Quote So I live with it.
    So I live with it.
    Yes Sidney, with every bad/negative thing thrown at us, around us and in us, be it natural or man made the key is;

    'So I live with it.'

    So we all live best we can.

    I think with all my physical problems (but not diagnosed) that I might have lyme disease, if so well i've had symptoms going back 30 years doh

    We must all in the material realm, with all the above negatives make sure we do the best we can but! To me now the most important thing to always remember and practice and develop is the regaining of our true spiritual powerful selves..

    Live Life best we can but remember Love and Light to all!
    Beautiffully said Sunnysideup!!!!

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    Truth, you are way, way down the rabbit hole. Many can't get down there because the journey is fraught with lies, misinformation, and just total BS. Getting through the mass of info that places blame on pathogens is difficult. It may be that there are no diseases, only symptoms of the greater problem. Problems caused by thoughts, events, traumas, faulty assumptions. Many are on the edge of greater understanding of these causes. Epigenetics, the power of belief and intention. As many assert, we cause our problems. We're responsible for them. Energy and vibration, that's where to look!
    i hear you. one of the main problems is that due to the massive amount of confusing information people can't decide what's the truth and what isn't...until they have the experience and understanding about what really caused their condition, which most never gain.

    lyme disease, or aids, are perfect examples of false information being deliberately planted or released to the public in order to confuse. the whole virus meme is a lie. a virus is merely a protein compound that can become a trigger which the body saves in it's data base when a traumatic situation happens and a special biological program starts which then creates the "disease". this virus trigger would keep the condition active (phase one) or activate it again before the program can run through both phases (phase two is heal and/or improve) but the cause was the trauma and the body's instinctive reaction to it.

    this causes all diseases, from the common cold to cancer, the only difference is the kind of event that caused it and the perception of the person at the time, and which unique triggers were there as well. this can be foreign proteins ("viruses") or pollen or a smell or whatever.

    by releasing alleged "secrets" through "whistleblowers" people are kept in a state of ignorance of the true cause of their diseases and will continue to try to treat their symptoms, all the while spending lots of cash for nothing, without ever realizing that the true cause for their disease is a certain traumatic event in their past, or possibly more than one. if this event is revisited and the emotion released, the relay in the brain gets deactivated and the "disease" heals like magic. microbes help with this. there's no war going on in our bodies. nature works in beautiful and perfect ways if we allow it to do so and don't interfere.
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    i hear you....
    Here's an example. My 17 year old daughter has a classmate, another 17 year old girl. This child was raped by a large man at age 13. Now, at 17 she is suffering from LUNG cancer. Imagine, 17 years old and having lung cancer. Almost unheard of. My thought is that she had this terrible experience, pehaps feeling like she couldn't breath (large man on top of her, pressing down) or tell anyone about the rape. And she did hold it in for years before telling anyone. Not much of a stretch to get from suffocating rape to cancer of the breathing apparatus, the lungs! Many hold that should she learn to release the mental trauma, and perhaps forgive the man, she could heal.
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    Quote Posted by luapskie (here)
    Try Jim Humble's MMS for lyme disease, MMS can be very helpful with many disease and illness modern medicine has no proper treatments for, like aids, cancer, ms, malaria, Parkinson, Alzheimer, Lyme disease and many more....
    MMS can also used for a complete body cleansing as it will kill all pathogens, it will neutralize poisons (perfect after snake bites) , it oxidizes almost all heavy metals (even mercury) use it for 3 weeks and you will be like new. Check out Jim's website at www.jimhumble.biz
    luapski- It is careless, to say that anything taken for 3 weeks will make you good as new. It is not true. Maybe for some. But after decades of being infected with multiple pathogens, it is in every cell in the body. You have to shed it in layers. And you have to do it slowly. If you killed all of it at once you cold literally die from the herxheimer reaction. Not everything works for everyone.

    The real problem with Lyme, is the die off. There ARE ways to kill the disease. But making sure it exits your body without harming or killing you is a whole different ball game. there are videos of people with lyme documenting their MMS / lyme experience. So far, I have seen not one that has any great results. I took MMS for a week, and was 100% incapacitated from herxing. (and that was on the lowest dose possible).. I have a child, and NO HELP. So I live with it.

    That said, not everyone has been living with it for 20 some years. Not everyone has other responsibilities that come first. Not everyone has multiple other issues to deal with. For some, MMS may be a good choice. but I believe even if you use MMS, you need to take systemic enzymes to break open the cyst during treatment.
    OK, let me rephrase that, I meant off course healthy people will be like new again if they do a cleansing with MMS, people who have a health problem like Lyme disease would have to do an intense protocol 2000 with MMS, take as many drop as you can and for as many hours as you can every 24hours for as long as needed. Discipline seems to be a problem in taking MMS, taking it every hour, really means taking it consistently every hour, putting an alarm-clock in your pocket and take the MMS everywhere you go with you.

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