At the Vatican, Up Against the World

[shiva777]

you're welcome...here is an explanation from Ashayana Deane of the "3 Christs" situation...

http://www.magickriver.net/3-Christs.htm

[shiva777]

Nostradamus prophesised the fall of the church

below is just an excerpt...here is the full text
part 1 http://hogueprophecy.com/2010/nostra...ophecy-part-1/
part 2 http://hogueprophecy.com/2010/nostra...ophecy-part-2/
part 3 http://hogueprophecy.com/2010/nostra...66-prophecy-3/
HOGUE
This prophecy has intrigued many over the centuries since Nostradamus composed it around 1556 for the second serialized publication of his magnum opus, Les Propheties (The Prophecies). The theme follows down the same line of other Catholic prophets who believe the apocalypse begins first from within the most hallowed center of the Holy Church in Rome. (See Last Pope Prophecy.)

The theme of Apostasy taken up here by Nostradamus seems topical in early April 2010, what with a widening web of scandal entrapping the papacy of Pope Benedict XVI. It turns out that hundreds of pedophiles of the cloth and cross across Europe have molested thousands of children. A few of these pedo-priesto-philes may once have been under the protective wing of Archbishop Ratzinger of Munich in decades past before he was made Pope Benedict in 2005. The Vatican denies Ratzinger protected these fallen priests from justice or knew that they were sent back to their parishes after therapy to “do it” to their child charges one more, many more, and more times.

Cardinal Ratzinger paying inculpable papabile is more inappropriate because he was John Paul II’s Prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith for 24 years before becoming Pope Benedict XVI. The Prefect used to be called “The Grand Inquisitor.” Inquisition — the act of inquiring into a matter; an investigation — is EXACTLY about delving into the crimes of the Church’s child-fornicating straying flock of priests from 1981 through 2005. He knew what was going on, in complete detail. He knows what’s going on between priests and their victims right now. To say he’s not responsible as the pope’s cop for 24 years, then God’s Vicar of Christ on earth since 2005 reeks of sham. His currently dismissive and derogatory official responses to these questions of his oversight in the matter of priests and their child victims as idle gossip mongering reflect meanness and a lack of compassion.

Catholic seers in the past thousand years have foreseen an apostasy for the Church in our times: a falling away from faith, not only for lay believers but also a degeneration and straying from the teachings of Jesus by priesthood and pope in Rome. A state of apostasy is phase one of the Catholic version of the Christian apocalypse. I describe this variant apocalypse in detail here: see Apostasy.

Nostradamus is one of those Catholic seers. He takes up the Apostasy theme in Century 6 Quatrain 66:

Au fondement de la nouuelle secte,
Seront les oz du grand Romain trouués,
Sepulchre en marbre apparoistra couuerte,
Terre trembler en Auril, mal enfouez.

At the founding of a new sect,
The bones of the great Roman will be found,
The sepulcher covered by marble will appear,
The earth trembles in April, badly buried.

I wrote the following interpretation published in 1997 in Nostradamus: The Complete Prophecies:

***

Nostradamus dates the appearance of a new sect to correspond with the discovery of St. Peter’s authentic tomb.

The Roman is Saint Peter, whose bones, Nostradamus tells us, will be found beneath the Vatican at the time of a cataclysm. We cannot rule out the interpretation of another future trend expressed in other quatrains: that the tomb was to be found in 1978, the year a dramatic influx of interest in the teachings of Osho, Hubbard, Moon, and Adi Da Samraj. It can be assumed, therefore, that a new religious sect has already appeared.

The indexing of 6 Q66 could, on closer inspection, hide the biblically symbolic number, 666, which represents man and the Antichrist. If this is a correct interpretation Nostradamus does not make it clear whether the number stands for the new sect or is intended as a jibe at the Roman Catholic Church as un-Christ-tian. Certainly all the candidates explored are, to varying degrees, considered threats to the orthodox Christian view of the universe.

***

I would like to add a correction. It wasn’t in 1978 but in 1968 that Pope Paul VI declared the bones of St. Peter had been found. However, Pope Paul made the announcement in the latter half of the 20th century, close enough to the new millennium to make this prophecy contemporary for our times.

Easter is just around the corner. So too is the five-year anniversary of Pope John Paul II’s death (2 April) and Cardinal Ratzinger’s succession as Pope Benedict XVI (19 April). Earthquakes in Nostradamus’s cryptic lexicon aren’t always what they linguistically seem. The shake up of the Vatican in a future April, perhaps this coming April, could imply a deepening, Church-quaking pedophile scandal undermining the credibility of this pope.

In Part Two, we’ll look at other suggested discoveries of St. Peter and the other Great Roman, St. Paul, as possibly indicating events foreseen in this prophecy far closer to us in time than 1968.

John Hogue
part 1 http://hogueprophecy.com/2010/nostra...ophecy-part-1/
part 2 http://hogueprophecy.com/2010/nostra...ophecy-part-2/
part 3 http://hogueprophecy.com/2010/nostra...66-prophecy-3/

[Tuza]

I knew that s... was an evil bas....d when I first locked eyes on him, hope he rots in a very dark, yukky place with other dark yukky energies and he can feel them slither.

[RedeZra]

Posted by shiva777 (here)
what if the "crucifixion" is just a holographic insert that was used to enslave humanity further....a "cross of fiction"(crucifixion)..the idea that one man sacrificed his life to save us all from our sins and damnation is one powerful inserted belief that perpetuates victim/victimiser..saviour control..guilt.sin,etc...what if the image of Jesus on the cross was used by the controllers to symbolise how they have implanted humans andDNA has been shut down and everytime someone worships jesus on the cross they are in fact empowering man's enslavery...what a great source of power and amusement the controllers get fromwatchingignorant humanity worship their own enslavement....the "crucifiction" implant is being removed...

the story of Jesus is superbly simple

why do people feel the need to complicate it and indulge in fantasies

what will they gain


the gospel the crucifixion and the resurrection are all messages ment to convey a meaning

namely that we are all more than mere mortals


but there is a specific way to live one's life

so as to not be born again as a slave of the senses

but become immortal and master of mind


Jesus is most worthy of worship for He overcame Death

and as a Lord of the Living

He manifest intervenes and shower Graces to those that love Him


the supreme consciousness and the essence of everything

is most potent in the Name of Jesus


you would be right if saying

Jesus is God


how many times have you dragged your feet towards death

if you knew you would be appaled


life is an experience

but how many times will you experience it

and not remember the last life experience


instead of making a serious effort to become immortal

you keep indulging in fantsy and fiction

getting lost in the maze of the mind

indefinitely


Jesus is a Savior for He guides to the way out of this circle of confusion


Divinity is perfection

so sins are errors and mistakes

that make one unfit for a Divine life


vices or virtues

what will it be


a little bit of both

then make sure which way the scale will go

lest it sink the Soul to Hell


for what we choose we will receive

and it's all one's own work


it's foolish to dig a pit to try to fly


one cannot bribe or trick God

but we can ask for His Grace

and He wants us to come Home

to the Divine family


Earth is a shadow of Heaven

at least try to make it there

as an interim between lifes on Earth

why gnash in Hell

which is of course a state of mind

as are all levels of life and death


transgress and loose ground

behave and advance


transcend the mind and escape the matrix


crush and cross out the ego I

the symbol of the crucifixion of Jesus

and gush forth as spontaneous Spirit forever fresh and rich in Itself


in Reality all and everything are ornaments and paraphernalia

for Man to Realize God

[greybeard]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

the story of Jesus is superbly simple

why do people feel the need to complicate it and indulge in fantasies

what will they gain


the gospel the crucifixion and the resurrection are all messages ment to convey a meaning

namely that we are all more than mere mortals


but there is a specific way to live one's life

so as to not be born again as a slave of the senses

but become immortal and master of mind


Jesus is most worthy of worship for He overcame Death

and as a Lord of the Living

He manifest intervenes and shower Graces to those that love Him


the supreme consciousness and the essence of everything

is most potent in the Name of Jesus


you would be right if saying

Jesus is God


how many times have you dragged your feet towards death

if you knew you would be appaled


life is an experience

but how many times will you experience it

and not remember the last life experience


instead of making a serious effort to become immortal

you keep indulging in fantsy and fiction

getting lost in the maze of the mind

indefinitely


Jesus is a Savior for He guides to the way out of this circle of confusion


Divinity is perfection

so sins are errors and mistakes

that make one unfit for a Divine life

A----man!!!!!!--- AMEN.

Dear RedeZra.
Thats telling it like it is.
Ive spent my fair share of running here there and everywhere.
The spiritual circus is very seductive but leads no where.
You are right in all that you say my friend.
For my money its down to keeping it simple and intention.
Surrender, humility, devotion, gratitude, the first two commandments, really what else is there?

With Love
Chris

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
A----man!!!!!!--- AMEN.

Dear RedeZra.
Thats telling it like it is.
Ive spent my fair share of running here there and everywhere.
The spiritual circus is very seductive but leads no where.
You are right in all that you say my friend.
For my money its down to keeping it simple and intention.
Surrender, humility, devotion, gratitude, the first two commandments, really what else is there?

With Love
Chris

lol did I nail it Chris

I know my Christ

Posted by Tuza (here)
I knew that s... was an evil bas....d when I first locked eyes on him, hope he rots in a very dark, yukky place with other dark yukky energies and he can feel them slither.

Tuza do you think they talk like that in Heaven

[shiva777]

the problem is that so many well intentioned people have been mislead in to thinking that if they "worship" figures such as Jesus or Krishna etc that it couldn't possibly be a negative action..it's a cruel trick that can't possibly be explained to people who have NOT developed the inner senses to FEEL what is really going on....they don't understand the atomic harnesses and cords that are created that feed in to the very heart of the negative agenda who set it up so that they could feed off their "love" and enslave them further...if only it was as simple as people think

the 3 Christs http://www.magickriver.net/3-Christs.htm

the problem is that organised religions and almost all new agey teachings are based on "love,light and clueless" practices..the enlightenment that Hawkins and Tolle etc have reached is a small awakening,a mind enlightenment but have they beaten the aging process,can they bilocate at will,can they spontaneously heal others at will,can they dematerialise....and a million other things...their "love and light" is only just blossoming...this particular ascension cycle is different to others were.this is the cycle of LOVE,LIGHT and POWER...meaning the full blossoming of our inherent love,WISDOM and CONCIOUS partnership with the Divine..worshipping anything but the Divine within you will hinder that awakening

[RedeZra]

Posted by shiva777 (here)
the 3 Christs http://www.magickriver.net/3-Christs.htm

Ashayana has no authority compared to Christ


the mind is powerful

you are what you think

what's on your mind might manifest

but that does not make it Real

it's good to soak the mind in Divinity

with time and practise it will make you Divine

make no mistake about it


even devils can bilocate heal dematerialize shapeshift and what not

that should not be a litmus test for your spiritual progress


work on the virtues

read up on the lives of saints and sages

you cannot trick your way to blessedness

Get Inspired


you don't seem to understand that the Divinity within

sometimes incarnates and intervenes with mankind


it is of course to your spiritual advantage to meditate on the Divinity within

in the Name and Form of Jesus


anyone who says anything else

is either an ignoramus or an agent of the dark

[shiva777]

what is written in the Bible is a huge distortion of the "Christ " conciousness and awareness...that's your belief system and you can keep it...you probably won't watch ashayana Deanes video soon to be posted on projectcamelot but if you do you may learn something else...you probably don't believe that the TRUE Jesus went to India and Egypt to LEARN very esoteric info about kundalini,ritual,spiritual science and som much more before he was able to ascend...he realised that love and light were not enough ,WISDOM was also needed and that Wisdom was of course kept out of the bible and distorted when it was included...hence the state of "Christianity" today

[kriya]

Posted by shiva777 (here)
the TRUE Jesus went to india and Egypt to LEARN very esoteric info about kundalini,ritual,spiritual science and som much more before he was able to ascend...he realised that love and light were not enough ,WISDOM was also needed and that Wisdom was of course kept out of the bible and distorted when it was included...hence the state of "Christianity" today

And Tibet

love,

Kriya

[RedeZra]

Posted by shiva777 (here)
what is written in the Bible is a huge distortion of the "Christ " conciousness and awareness...that's your belief system and you can keep it...you probably won't watch ashayana Deanes video soon to be posted on projectcamelot but if you do you may learn something else...you probably don't believe that the TRUE Jesus went to India and Egypt to LEARN very esoteric info about kundalini,ritual,spiritual science and som much more before he was able to ascend...he realised that love and light were not enough ,WISDOM was also needed and that Wisdom was of course kept out of the bible and distorted when it was included...hence the state of "Christianity" today

those that work to erase Christ from the minds of mankind

are in service of Satan and the System


you don't even understand what I write

or you don't bother to read it


I know about Christ consciousness

and the fact that the Bible and the Church

are more about the persona of Jesus


but you see with the Divine

it is a case of both matter and spirit - both above and below - both within and without

they are both valid as the Bible and the Church - the humanity of Jesus and the Divinity of Christ


the historical Jesus was awake and aware in the socalled Christ consciousness


did it ever occur to you that many people need a name and a form and a context

to get in touch with the Christ consciousness within


besides learn about the basics first before you begin to fly so you don't get lost in the sky

[shiva777]

get a few clues

go to the archived interviews for the dates

9 30 and 10 28 and learn some things very few are aware of

http://www.gtbroadcasting.com/mediaplayer/index.php

[RedeZra]

Posted by shiva777 (here)
get a few clues

go to the archived interviews for the dates

9 30 and 10 28 and learn some things very few are aware of

http://www.gtbroadcasting.com/mediaplayer/index.php

lol when did the clueless begin to give out clues

no wonder it's a sorry state of affairs


why do you base your believes on Ashayana

and her wild imaginations


you seem to believe that the Bible is without wisdom

and that there is some secret esoteric teachings to shortcut you to a high spiritual state

you don't like basics so you want to advance now

you think outer worship in form of devotion and maybe inner worship in form of meditation
on Jesus or Krishna is actually harmful


lol you really need to change company

[shiva777]

some more clues...Lisa renee discusses Genetic pathcutting and ascension

https://youtube.com/watch?v=JpPsL6PTGVY

[RedeZra]

Posted by shiva777 (here)
some more clues...Lisa renee discusses Genetic pathcutting and ascension

https://youtube.com/watch?v=JpPsL6PTGVY

so you do base your believes on dubious channelers of fantastic fiction lol

it's only entertainment and monymaking and perhaps a purpose part of the NWO

[greybeard]

There is one true indicator of spiritual progress as pointed to by Ramana, that is the degree of silence of the mind.

Regarding Dr Hawkins -- Having studied his teaching for several years, my belief is that he is as enlightened as it is possible to be on this earth.
Many people have been healed spontaneously in his presence, its documented in his life history;
He had the larges Psychiatry Practice in the state of New York. The hopeless cases came to him and many were cured. Some came out of a cationic state.
Bi-locate? How can you when you are in a non-locality, formless, timeless ego less state of non-duality?
The persona (Dr Hawkins) that communication happens through has a sense of humor. The form of Dr Hawkins says. People talk to the body because that the way it is here.
People make statements about enlightenment without reading in depth the teachings that have flowed through those in that state since time began.
Enlightenment is also called God realization for good reason.
That state can only be experienced it cant be adequately described, It can only be pointed to.
That state can truly say " I am the totality all of it"
"I existed before all Universes and will exist after all Universes have dissolved"

Dr. David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D.

Dr. Hawkins is an internationally renowned psychiatrist, physician, researcher, and pioneer in the fields of consciousness research and spirituality. He writes and teaches from the unique perspective of an experienced clinician, scientist, and mystic and is devoted to the spiritual evolution of mankind.

I have put a link here

http://www.veritaspub.com/index.php?page=about

So many have jumped on the 2012 money making wagon.
People are so gullible and thats ok. Been there done it.
So what to trust?
For me what comes up over thousands of year is the same teaching flowing through different mouths.
Krishna, The Buddha, Jesus and others all in essence said the same thing.
God is in everything.
Within our form is the In-dweller, our true self. true teachings say lookwithin, God is to be found there.
Everything else (New Age, distortions of truth, the spiritual circus) is a distraction.
If one is serious about raising ones vibration far less enlightenment I would suggest really looking at the teaching flowing through Eckhart Tolle and Dr Hawkins.
They are using modern language to relay the same truth that was given us by Jesus.
Chris

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
There is one true indicator of spiritual progress as pointed to by Ramana, that is the degree of silence of the mind.

I believe Ramana made it to the top of the Godhead

yes the very top

[Tuza]

Tuza do you think they talk like that in Heaven

[/QUOTE]

I don't know, do you think they do, do you think the paedophile priests will get to Heaven?

I have a very personal relationship with my Christ, very personal okay. He knows me through and through and what's in my mind and heart. Just because I am a truth seeker doesn't mean I don't get really angry about elected papacy sitting on their earthy thrones trying to make more popular opinions for the younger generation, slinking off into one of their many hidden places in the Vatican and hiding their evil secrets and doings. Do yourself a favour, do not judge unless you be judged yourself; unless of ofcourse your one of those paedophilic priests in which case I will point the finger.

[shiva777]

how would you know...maybe Ramana made it to a point he couldn't transcend,,a subtle trap of the astralthat Hawkins,Tolle and others fell in to as well... do you know where they went to after they died?....stay tuned and wave to Ramana as you pass if you manage to catch the ascension waves coming...their work is uiseful to a point,a trap beyond that point

attitudes and responsibilites from ashayana Deane
http://azuritepress.com/techniques/a...sibilities.php

[greybeard]

Posted by shiva777 (here)
how would you know...maybe Ramana made it to a point he couldn't transcend,,a subtle trap of the astralthat Hawkins,Tolle and others fell in to as well... do you know where they went to after they died?....stay tuned and wave to Ramana as you pass if you manage to catch the ascension waves coming...their work is uiseful to a point,a trap beyond that point

attitudes and responsibilites from ashayana Deane
http://azuritepress.com/techniques/a...sibilities.php

shiva777 you are entitled to your opinion Im not nocking ashanyana because I know nothing about her.
Looks like you know little about Dr Hawkins who remembers past lives and in between lives too.
Have a look at the link I furnished.
Was Krishna telling the truth was Jesus?
They are uniform in what they say.
The Bhagavad Gita has not been distorted by religion.
Even if you leave aside current teachers. The Truth is still valid as taught by sages since time began.
If you choose not to believe that fine.
Krishna said "Even those running in the wrong direction are mine"
As long as you Love God shiva777 thats enough.
Chris