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    Default We're in a solar minimum not a maximum so why does NASA think the sun's magnetic poles are going to flip?


    he shows you the proof nasa caught lying.











    had to post this makes you think what are they planning


    along with this why is nasa putting out a story about the polls flipping
    http://science.nasa.gov/science-news...aug_fieldflip/

    Let me ask you some thing that'll make you think. If we're in a solar maximum then the poles should have already flipped since it's every 11 years from 2001 x4 class-2012 x1

    2001
    http://spaceweather.com/archive.php?...h=12&year=2001

    2012
    http://spaceweather.com/archive.php?...2012&view=view


    We had the strongest one in 2003 nov 4th x40 the scale should only go up to x10 so what happened? I think the solar cycles are getting smaller we entered maximum in 2001 ended in 2003 now its a minimum going to flip and start a ice age. What happens on the sun happens here.

    noaa says it was only a x17+ but other sites say other wise
    http://spaceweather.com/archive.php?...2012&view=view

    then noaa says its a x28
    http://www.space.com/712-latest-sun-...st-record.html

    The Smithsonian/NASA Astrophysics Data System X40
    http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005JGRA..11009S36B
    i'll go with the higher one since it knocked out my lights in 03.

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    Default Re: We're in a solar minimum not a maximum so why does NASA think the sun's magnetic poles are going to flip?

    It could be conected with the Ison comet stimulation , I say be aware be prepared switch it all off and prepare to stay at home. tin foil hats at the ready chaps! hang on to your brains.. " so huge it will suck your brains out" remember that? LOL

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    Default Re: We're in a solar minimum not a maximum so why does NASA think the sun's magnetic poles are going to flip?

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    1) What happened with the giant November 2003 X-class flare (which is what I think you're referring to, but your post is really unclear!) is that it went literally off the scale. The extrapolation to X-28 or even X-40+ was an educated guess by some solar scientists.

    The truth is that no-one knows how big it was, because the instruments couldn't measure it. It was the largest flare in modern times. Some scientists have called it "The X-whatever flare."



    http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/hotshots/2003_11_04

    2) We're certainly not in a solar minimum. We're pretty near what should be the solar maximum of Cycle 24. The anomaly, which has puzzled many solar scientists, is that the sun is far more quiet than predicted.

    Some have theorized a 'double-peak' effect, and believe that we may not have reached the larger, second peak yet. We should know more within six months or so. The report you cited here...

    http://science.nasa.gov/science-news...5aug_fieldflip

    ...predicted that the sun's magnetic poles should flip in the next few months. The 11 year solar cycle is fairly approximate: one cannot set the calendar by it! 11 years is just an average.

    *** Please be careful about posting things like this, in this way, unless you know a little more about what you're referring to. Many YouTube videos are NOT NOT NOT reliable sources of information about this material. However, there are plenty of Avalon members (including myself) who'll be more than happy to take some time to explain stuff like this if intelligent questions are asked!
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    Default Re: We're in a solar minimum not a maximum so why does NASA think the sun's magnetic poles are going to flip?

    I brought this solar minimum info up in the global warming thread.

    If we are told the sun is at a maximum the power grid can be knocked out with an EMP and blamed on the 'killshot', well that's one theory.

    The other theory is another maunder minimum is on it's way.

    Glad you started a new thread. I think Mav raises some good points!
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    Default Re: We're in a solar minimum not a maximum so why does NASA think the sun's magnetic poles are going to flip?

    I like Mavericks videos on youtube too!!

    He does some great experiments to make his point more easily understandable. And he is one of the few scientists who is tracking the movement of our magnetic poles..but this is new update he recently spoke of in his last video stating that we may not be having a magnetic pole shift, but a crustal displacement.

    It just appears that the magnetic pole is moving but instead we are just slip sliding around it....but i'm not sure, how can we tell for sure, but definitely something is altered. He and several others on the web have been putting up videos on how the sun is not setting where it should be. I myself, take a look out the window at night to locate the moon, and one night it was out my kitchen window..the following night it was out my bedroom window...that's a change of around 25-30 degrees i'd estimate in just 24 hours.

    There is another youtube video that this other man put out, let me see if i can find it,...well it's by this man who found an article on research of Russia's scientists..that they have been noticing since 2011 that the planets magnetic poles were moving as well. Let me find the link... ok here is the article it's very good by the way..http://crisisboom.com/2011/01/23/pole-shift-2011/

    Here is the link of him talking about that article and about the update on the moon,now having an atmosphere developing...which is interesting because NASA just sent a launch of a robot to the moon because they detected a "strange glow" emanating from it's surface..this could very well be that new atmosphere. The video has a lot of valuable info, I recommend watching, its 10 minutes..



    Tomorrow is the autumn equinox..so i'm going to do what maverick did and take a compass and note where the sun is in position now, and compare it with in a months time.

    But in my mind, if the other planets magnetic poles moved, then why would ours be any different? I like the diagram on the article I posted above, I had no real concept of what the Heliosphere was, now it puts things more in perspective.

    We are in a solar minimum, for sure, but that could be a sign of a mini ice age..or could be a direct consequence of something affecting our sun, which is as a result affecting our climate and world as a whole. It has to be all connected.
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    Default Re: We're in a solar minimum not a maximum so why does NASA think the sun's magnetic poles are going to flip?

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    Note that the magnetic poles moving around (which they always do, but are now moving around fairly quickly) is a totally different phenomenon than a physical pole shift (or crustal displacement, which is pretty much the same thing).

    If there had been any movement at all of the Earth's axis, this would have been immediately noticed by tens of thousands of amateur astronomers who use software programs which help them to point their telescopes exactly where they want to.

    If these programs suddenly no longer worked (i.e you go to point your telescope at Mars, but, wait a minute, it's not there!)... they would ALL immediately notice.

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    Default Re: We're in a solar minimum not a maximum so why does NASA think the sun's magnetic poles are going to flip?

    But for instance, the sun being off in where it normally sets, the moon being all over the place...and some people have noticed that some constellations are not where they should be... I think that the main problem is that the professionals are told to keep silent..the amateurs, just maybe doubt themselves? Their instruments are faulty, or if they post something online they will just be ridiculed and accused of trying to get attention or scaring people. Yes I don't believe that the crust is sliding...at least not drastically..we are having increased movements of the plates, most definitely. Our earth is wobbling all over the place, and what I'm perplexed by, is ok, so the magnetic pole has moved, which is why our earth wobble has become more extreme, right? So let's take it further, so if the magnetic poles move more, the wobble by logic, should increase more? Would this wobble get to the point where it becomes unstable? Like a top that is spinning, starts to wobble as it's about to keel over? or is this a bad analogy. I find this topic very interesting, sometimes it's mind boggling to really fully grasp what a magnetic pole shift could mean. Isn't our planet a giant magnet? Isn't our core made of metal, supposedly? Would we turn like a giant magnet?

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    Default Re: We're in a solar minimum not a maximum so why does NASA think the sun's magnetic poles are going to flip?

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    some people have noticed that some constellations are not where they should be...
    Who has?

    Quote Posted by ruthy (here)
    Our earth is wobbling all over the place
    But it's not. If you don't believe the amateur astronomers would be screaming from the rooftops, there's not really very much else we can talk about!

    Think about it. GPS would no longer be accurate (because if the earth wobbles, satellites would NOT wobble with it). Planes, which rely on GPS, would end up at the wrong airports (or in the middle of nowhere with no airport at all). You'd be trying to navigate your way round LA and your GPS would be trying to tell you you were in San Diego. These things are not happening.

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    Default Re: We're in a solar minimum not a maximum so why does NASA think the sun's magnetic poles are going to flip?

    The anomaly of the sun NOT ramping up into a full blown solar maximum is very interesting. And may be a very important clue to other activities in the solar system. I am watching closely for the double peak possibility. However if that does not happen. What else could cause this? I think of the solar cycles like a rhythm and perhaps you could visualize that as a sine wave.

    Simply put a double peak is something like this,


    A double peak in itself could also a be clue to something activity the solar system.



    In the past 10 years a large amount of new information alludes to a very different picture than we(humans) had composed for our sun, the solar system and the universe at large. Our observation of this solar maximum cycle may precipitate a turning point in our understanding of how the sun and/or stars behave on a much larger scope than we previously anticipated.
    Why not now?

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    Default Re: We're in a solar minimum not a maximum so why does NASA think the sun's magnetic poles are going to flip?

    I use a 3 axis magnetometer here, made by Alpha Lab, Salt Lake City, Utah, USA

    I monitor it throughout the day and one can see the influence of Solar on the Geomagnetic field, something that looks like a "tidal pattern" when the sun passes through noon and when at midnight. It is interesting to watch when any solar event happens and peaks and dips appear. For now I haven't seen any massive pole shift of the Earth's field from my monitoring location. It is sensitive enough to pick up the iron in the blood when I walk anywhere within 10 feet of the sensor. Amazing technology - If nothing else, having one of those could help to see how the sun interacts with the Earth's fields.

    The sun is far quieter than any computer predictions have made. Since the last big burst early last year, there have been some flareups but they have missed direct line assaults on the earth.. Solar coronal holes have also rapidly healed. Spaceweather.com is a good place I have found to keep track on key images, and they do show when Auroras are happening and predicted.

    Something that may be helpful too, is one does have in the iPhone and in the iPad, a 3 axis simple magnetometer (and accelerometer) These two tools are pretty amazing if one wants to do "armchair" monitoring of both vibrations and magnetic fields in 3D. I personally use MagnetMeter HD on the two apple products. It is a great way to get started in finding out for yourself what's happening with the sun-earth magnetic field interaction. Possibly it could help find out more what's happening in real time, oneself. There are other apps available obviously, I picked the "plaincode" version cause of the 3D pointer showing direction of the field.

    Maybe somebody could make a recording app for the iPhone or iPad which would allow for recording over 24 hours the fields. Seems to me then one could upload those somewhere and one could compare against NASA or NOAA or NCAR reports if they are showing us what's happening. Reading up in the apple user's guide seems to show this isn't that hard to do to interface. Maybe a thread could be started on that if someone is so inclined.

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    Default Re: We're in a solar minimum not a maximum so why does NASA think the sun's magnetic poles are going to flip?

    Here we go again! I don't know how it's possible for so many people to believe that the sun, moon and stars can start moving about and somehow this nonsense is being "hushed up". I've given up counting how often it's been said on this forum and elsewhere that the thousands of well equipped world-wide amateur astronomers would be shouting about it (and all fighting to be the fist to report it) if it were true! All the world's fishermen and sailors would know because the published tide table would all be wrong!!

    Yes, as Bill says the solar cycle is only VERY roughly 11 years. And no, its heat energy does not significantly change during the cycle so that won't affect our climate. However, recent observations suggest that other variations during the cycle (UV light, X-rays, CMEs, etc.) do influence gamma radiation hitting the upper atmosphere possibly indirectly affecting cloud formation, which probably does make slight climatic variations. At the moment the observations seem inconclusive, masked by other natural (or man-made?) climatic variations.

    Later additional edit: A double peak is quite possible and about half the cycles have them, usually separated by a year or so.

    The sun's poles gradually swap during each solar cycle and always have done. So you could argue that a full solar cycle is actually approximately 22 years.

    It's not surprising the sun behaves 'unpredictably', because we've only been studying it in great detail for a few decades. We still have a lot to learn.

    And where do these claims of solar-induced EMPs come from? An EMP requires a very rapid (a few microseconds) steep electromagnetic radiation wavefront. I've not read any coherent explanation how something coming from the sun spreading out and travelling 93 million miles can do that. I suspect it's being confused with a Carrington Event - which is something entirely different.

    We all know there are loads of hoax videos around, which look convincing if you're not familiar with the science.

    So... if they're not true, why would anyone bother making these videos? Probably just for a laugh; to laugh at people like me getting our knickers in a twist trying to tell folks they're a fear-porn hoax! And laughing at all those who can't see they're a hoax and keep reposting the links all over the internet!

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    Default Re: We're in a solar minimum not a maximum so why does NASA think the sun's magnetic poles are going to flip?

    In defence of the common man, sites like this encourage individuals to think for themselves and observe for themselves- fortunately we have folks available to explain that which we are confussed about.

    Sadly we also have disinformation merchants who in turn may be subject to disinformation experts NASA GOVERNMENT which is why all that we see or think we see must be tested.

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    Default Re: We're in a solar minimum not a maximum so why does NASA think the sun's magnetic poles are going to flip?

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    You'd be trying to navigate your way round LA and your GPS would be trying to tell you you were in San Diego. These things are not happening.

    Well actually, the last time I relied on GPS in the car, it kept trying to tell me I was in a field or to turn into a farmyard.

    Nowt to do with the sun or the stars. That's what comes with being in the vicinity of a big army facility


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    Default Re: We're in a solar minimum not a maximum so why does NASA think the sun's magnetic poles are going to flip?

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    some people have noticed that some constellations are not where they should be...
    Who has?

    Quote Posted by ruthy (here)
    Our earth is wobbling all over the place
    But it's not. If you don't believe the amateur astronomers would be screaming from the rooftops, there's not really very much else we can talk about!

    Think about it. GPS would no longer be accurate (because if the earth wobbles, satellites would NOT wobble with it). Planes, which rely on GPS, would end up at the wrong airports (or in the middle of nowhere with no airport at all). You'd be trying to navigate your way round LA and your GPS would be trying to tell you you were in San Diego. These things are not happening.

    Amateur Astronomer, Life-long star observer here:

    Constellations not where they should be??? I haven't noticed anything unusual EVER!!!

    Earth wobble, lol... I ain't screaming.

    I really wish that people would get correct information instead of using speculative information found on the internet by people that usually have absolutely no idea of what astronomy is!!!

    They should realise that spreading such BS can scare a lot of people.

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    Default Re: We're in a solar minimum not a maximum so why does NASA think the sun's magnetic poles are going to flip?

    Top of the Morning everyone,

    lol well

    # uno.. I never said that I believed that the crust was moving..I was just mentioning, directed to the originator of this thread, that I recognized the videos and info he was putting up, because it's by this Youtuber scientist called MrMaverickstar..if i remember right. Anyways, that this man was talking about magnetic pole movement, and then this man put up a video with a question of, what if the crust is moving and the mag. poles are fixed. Anyways, that was me mentioning HIS theories, not saying that I was believing it.

    #2. I do think that the magnetic pole movement is cyclical, but cyclical based on what? An extra body that comes in and effects our planet every 3600 years? Is it a natural cycle of our earths core? Does it just happen just for the hay of it? Does anyone have any theories on this or solid info, because honestly i am a bit confused, as I am sure many many other people are as well.

    #3 I'm no scientist, yes, but I'm not a fool ..well most of the time. I have done some research online, and I did see several articles about airports having to switch their lanes because of magnetic pole changes. Do you remember hearing of this? here is just a couple articles, in case some people on here or Bill hasn't heard of it, but I have a lot of respect for the people on here, so i think most of you caught wind of it at some point. But just in case, ...http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/...orida-airport/
    http://www.nbc-2.com/Global/story.asp?S=13804664
    Both speak of Florida's airports, but there were multiple airports affected not only just in the US but in the UK etc.

    So that is my reply to the airports not having been affected, because they are being affected, I just think we aren't being told how much and how many.

    #4 See after my coffee i become more organized with numbering my thoughts But anyways, as far as the sun and constellations being off, I've seen numerous videos and I completely understand that people either put up false info on purpose or out of ignorance. But this video in particular made me give it a second thought. The Inuit elders say that the sun is wrong and the stars are wrong. This is a people that heavily depends on the sun, their world and their survival literally revolves around it. To me I found it hard to believe that these people would cry wolf! Why? For what purpose would that benefit them?

    Here is a link of that video statement by the Inuit Elders

    Well that's all I got..but just to recap to salvage my own name on here, I'm not saying the crust is displacing.. nay nay nay. We'd be dead if that was the case right now. But what I am saying is I believe that the magnetic pole movements are increasing, more and more..and I believe that this is causing all our weather issues. A jet stream all out of whack. We even had a week in the US where the jet stream moved in reverse, that was in the mainstream news. I think that the magnetic poles being off are causing the earths rotation to be slightly askew. With that, I think that because of that rotation "wobble" that sun, moon, constellations, have the APPEARANCE of being off. They are actually in the same ole spot, which is why our planet isn't affected. Our days are "normal". But our PERCEPTION of these bodies sometimes, depending on the wobble , I think makes things look on occasion, out of sorts.

    If someone does not think that a change in magnetic poles causes a change in the rotational movement of our planet, I'd like them to explain it to me. I mean that sincerely, because I'd honestly like to understand more, and it I know would help a lot of people on here.

    Thanks!

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    some people have noticed that some constellations are not where they should be...
    Who has?

    Quote Posted by ruthy (here)
    Our earth is wobbling all over the place
    But it's not. If you don't believe the amateur astronomers would be screaming from the rooftops, there's not really very much else we can talk about!

    Think about it. GPS would no longer be accurate (because if the earth wobbles, satellites would NOT wobble with it). Planes, which rely on GPS, would end up at the wrong airports (or in the middle of nowhere with no airport at all). You'd be trying to navigate your way round LA and your GPS would be trying to tell you you were in San Diego. These things are not happening.


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    Default Re: We're in a solar minimum not a maximum so why does NASA think the sun's magnetic poles are going to flip?

    Quote Posted by ruthy (here)
    The Inuit elders say that the sun is wrong and the stars are wrong.
    Most startling [..] was the Inuits' belief that along with pollution and environmental changes, caused mainly by Southerners, the Earth has actually changed its tilt [...] but (NASA) experts said this was impossible. [...] Still, the Inuit insist they see changes in the sun's course and the position of the stars in the night sky. [...] The scientific explanation is that the warming Arctic air is causing temperature inversions, which in turn cause the light of the sunset to refract so that the sun appears to be setting a few kilometres off-kilter. (source)

    See also: projectavalon.net/Inuit-Elders-say-poles-have-already-shifted
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    Default Re: We're in a solar minimum not a maximum so why does NASA think the sun's magnetic poles are going to flip?

    From spaceweather.com:

    2013 is supposed to be a year of solar maximum. Indeed, the sun's magnetic field is poised to flip, a long-held sign that Solar Max has arrived. But if this is Solar Max, it looks a lot like Solar Min. The face of the sun is almost completely blank:



    A careful inspection of the solar disk reveals only two sunspots, very small and quiet.

    In fact, this is Solar Max, the weakest one in more than 50 years. Long spells of quiet and spotlessness are punctuated by occasional flares and CMEs. At least one researcher believes the ongoing maximum is actually double-peaked, and we are now experiencing the valley between peaks. If so, a surge in solar activity could be in the offing in late-2013 and 2014.

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    Default Re: We're in a solar minimum not a maximum so why does NASA think the sun's magnetic poles are going to flip?

    In Alaska, we see a lot of aurora when the sun is in its solar maximum cycle, and we are -- that is, as long as it's not too cloudy.

    What I'm more interested in is how far up or down we are in the galactic plane right now.

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    Default Re: We're in a solar minimum not a maximum so why does NASA think the sun's magnetic poles are going to flip?

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