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    Default Re: US Government shutdown, Tuesday Oct 1, 2013

    GOP is a very sick animal, managing to anger and divide their own supporter base while simultaneously maintaining their loathsomeness to non supporters. Big GOP guy at my workplace was livid we didn't go into default. Everything seems to be converging on a 2016 dem Presidential win. I don't see a constitutionalist rebirth of the GOP as anywhere near being inexorable. What do the bankers want? I don't think its the GOP... What does China want? Not the GOP. No one wants them. While we're fixated on the debt fuse sparkling away we silently enter an enduring demtopia, and then the fuse reaches its end and nothing happens.

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    Quote Posted by bennycog (here)
    Ok now what is the questions the American public should ask.. Or should we all ask?

    Why would you let us go through this?

    Who owns the product of what I know as my life?

    Was it funny to see the public go through heartaches especially when they voted for you?

    Do you have a solution to help the public become immune to this happening again or do you have an agenda that makes you become more powerful because of our devotion to our fore fathers?

    what the f@#$k are you doing ?
    I would also add to this list:

    What was this used to distract us from?

    Remember: Energy flows where attention goes.

    Maybe look to the Middle East, Fukushima, Afghanistan, the killing of the so-called "Monsanto Protect Act" (written by Republican Senator Roy Blunt with Monsanto's assistance) in the US Senate...

    What were the other tentacles doing?
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    Israel is the unknown variable in this equation. While we may collectively within Avalon have a pretty good handle on the economic situation, the Middle East largely remains a free-for-all, and Israel identifying itself as increasingly alienated from the U.S. is a really bad situation for all parties involved with the Middle East. Israel and its neighbors may initiate something in 2014 that would throw off everything outlines in previous posts...and there's really no way to know in advance what Israeli leadership is planning to do behind the scenes until one day you wake up and hear about some attack that resulted in an escalation of the Middle East conflict. Such a conflict would not have immediate effects on the economic situation in the U.S., but it would accelerate the fiscal devolutionary process that will inevitably trigger a 'hard reset' of the global financial system, possibly before the end of 2014, though I remain cautiously optimistic that 2014 will end without a 'hard reset'...and yes, I could be wrong.
    While I was posting you wrote this excellent observation!

    The Israeli government, Palestinian administration, Gaza Strip proposed gas program, Iran, Syria, Russia-US relations and yes, the US financial situation all are things that are important to watch. Then there's China and their use of "soft power" as a means of garnering support through out Africa, SE Asia and South America.

    So much to look at and we're distracted by this puppet show in the US.
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    All of this is so complex. The US has recently become the world's largest oil producer, amid calls for the US to open up it's vast holdings for offshore drilling. The US has basically fracked it's way to the top, which I think a lot of us have grave concerns over. You would think however that being the world's largest oil producer would make for a pretty rich country. Where is the money?

    There was all of this talk during the shut-down about Obama-care being Unconstitutional. I think the Supreme Court upheld the Constitutionality of the law. There is talk about how it's going to bankrupt the country to have to pay for all of this health-care. Ummm....so...either healthcare is going to be delivered and not paid for (that might be a bad financial plan for health-care providers) or we're going to have to come up with some system to pay for it. The US has a rapidly aging population, requiring increasingly large payments for health-care. Maybe turning to an insurance system is the wrong way, but....some way has to be devised. I personally don't trust the insurance system, but for the first time there is a law that requires them to pay out at least 80% of the premiums. That is a first. Maybe that is what the bruhaha is all about. The insurance industry could be the drivers in all of this.

    During this shut-down, we lost VA benefits systems, national parks, huge sections of NIH and other important services, but the NSA didn't miss a day. It's that sort of priority that drives me nuts. The so-called "war on terror" (otherwise known as criminals) is the trump card for everything. I wonder how much money would be saved if the US shut all of that system down except for investigating crime by the FBI like it always has?

    I think the folks on here that have been discussing timelines has it pretty right. It looks like we're going to limp through 2014. After all there are elections to be had for the House and 1/3 of the Senate. After that. Who knows.

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    GOP is a very sick animal, managing to anger and divide their own supporter base while simultaneously maintaining their loathsomeness to non supporters. Big GOP guy at my workplace was livid we didn't go into default. Everything seems to be converging on a 2016 dem Presidential win. I don't see a constitutionalist rebirth of the GOP as anywhere near being inexorable. What do the bankers want? I don't think its the GOP... What does China want? Not the GOP. No one wants them. While we're fixated on the debt fuse sparkling away we silently enter an enduring demtopia, and then the fuse reaches its end and nothing happens.
    Yeah, Roddy Piper was exceptionally evil especially when he ran around with Bob Orton.

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    Quote Posted by Tesseract (here)
    GOP is a very sick animal,
    Yeah, Roddy Piper was exceptionally evil especially when he ran around with Bob Orton.
    hahaha... I hope some one else got that (not overly veiled) reference.

    Quote Posted by Conchis (here)
    I think the Supreme Court upheld the Constitutionality of the law.
    but by no stretch of the imagination is "obamacare" in fact, constitutionally authorized in anyway, what-so-ever (from a federal level). so what does that say...
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    "Lay Down Your Truth and Check Your Weapons
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    Default Re: US Government shutdown, Tuesday Oct 1, 2013

    This is a pretty good 30 minute synopsis of how monetary policy and debt is heading for its inevitable outcome of collapse.

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    Ok, one more comedic shot at the shutdown!

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